Monsterquest and Werewolf Footage Controversy

[merla]

Originally Posted by shankers

I would say the rationality concerning the belief that Bitey is real is around 50-50.

For
- Bitey would appear to be an unknown animal
- There has been no coherent explanation of the existing film of Bitey, i.e., the 'charging' scene of GF1

Against
- We have no reliable corroborating evidence for Bitey's existence
- Bitey is surrounded by a sea of hoaxed evidence

Countering 'Against'
- The unreliable evidence and the lack of corroborating evidence could be a coverup

A rebuttal to the 'counter'
- Extraordinary evidence is required to support the motive for a coverup

Is there a way of moving forward with this case apart from waiting around and hoping something falls into our collective lap?

Other than comparing the ghillie suit footage and Bitey, not that I can see. Unless one of you guys has a camera, a spare mesh suit and a few hours to master the art of running at a crouch like three to four different animals in one go.

[biblegirl]

Why didn't monsterquest use the classic polygraph tests and lie experts for this one .

Something about the lines from about 2:10 on:

"I was trying to be a werewolf"

and

"When I got the film back for the first time, I freaked, when it looked so real- the charging of the cameraman, it looked so much like a real animal...."

i don't know...when you guys watch his face and listen to him there, is he telling the truth?

[shankers]

Originally Posted by merla

Other than comparing the ghillie suit footage and Bitey, not that I can see. Unless one of you guys has a camera, a spare mesh suit and a few hours to master the art of running at a crouch like three to four different animals in one go.

I know how I'll be spending next Sunday afternoon

Comparing moving footage is a good idea; we've done pictures thus far, and that was useful.

Have we exhausted avenues to find out about the origin of the footage specifically of Bitey, or will this simply lead us back to Cook et al?

[shankers]

Originally Posted by biblegirl

Why didn't monsterquest use the classic polygraph tests and lie experts for this one .

Something about the lines from about 2:10 on:

"I was trying to be a werewolf"

and

"When I got the film back for the first time, I freaked, when it looked so real- the charging of the cameraman, it looked so much like a real animal...."

i don't know...when you guys watch his face and listen to him there, is he telling the truth?

"I was trying to be a werewolf"- I nearly pissed myself laughing when I heard this. The way he says it with such stony-faced earnestness made me crease up.
A lie detector test is actually another very good idea.

[merla]

Originally Posted by biblegirl

Why didn't monsterquest use the classic polygraph tests and lie experts for this one .

Something about the lines from about 2:10 on:

"I was trying to be a werewolf"

and

"When I got the film back for the first time, I freaked, when it looked so real- the charging of the cameraman, it looked so much like a real animal...."

i don't know...when you guys watch his face and listen to him there, is he telling the truth?

I still find it intriguing that they didn't do a slowed down side by side comparison of Bitey and the ghilliemonster with an expert on animal movement/a choreographer or something talking through how similar they are.

[biblegirl]

Originally Posted by merla

Other than comparing the ghillie suit footage and Bitey, not that I can see. Unless one of you guys has a camera, a spare mesh suit and a few hours to master the art of running at a crouch like three to four different animals in one go.

just comparing the footage here...imo it looks like Mike's rear is quite high up, as would have to be for a person on all fours, and did not look like the gable film footage to me (they took the MQ footage from a very low angle!! maybe to hide how high up his rear was in the air??)

what do you guys think? is his body stance similar?

[merla]

Originally Posted by shankers

I know how I'll be spending next Sunday afternoon

Comparing moving footage is a good idea; we've done pictures thus far, and that was useful.

Have we exhausted avenues to find out about the origin of the footage specifically of Bitey, or will this simply lead us back to Cook et al?

If it does then at least we can say we didn't just accept a lame explaination without checking it out thoroughly first.

[destinysmoon1964]

Originally Posted by metacomet

Before he makes money on it!? Hehe...

Actually, do we know if he made much money on this yet?

I don't believe he gave all that money to charities..I betya anything that he did make money off of this film.

[merla]

Originally Posted by biblegirl

just comparing the footage here...imo it looks like Mike's rear is quite high up, as would have to be for a person on all fours, and did not look like the gable film footage to me (they took the MQ footage from a very low angle!! maybe to hide how high up his rear was in the air??)

what do you guys think? is his body stance similar?

I agree I felt there was something not right about the angle, distance and speed of Mike's run. I@m not sold on the stance either because I couldn't make out the shape of his body clearly enough thanks to all that dangling mesh

Also, if there was supposed to be a coat hanger for ears why didn't he put it on and show us the full effect? If he does agree to do another couple of runs for us I want to see the ears ^-^

[destinysmoon1964]

Originally Posted by biblegirl

Why didn't monsterquest use the classic polygraph tests and lie experts for this one .

Something about the lines from about 2:10 on:

"I was trying to be a werewolf"

and

"When I got the film back for the first time, I freaked, when it looked so real- the charging of the cameraman, it looked so much like a real animal...."

i don't know...when you guys watch his face and listen to him there, is he telling the truth?

Steve Cook WAS asked to do a polygraph test, thats when he came clean about all this. My friend Adam Davis and his ex-girlfriend Tammey were also asked to do polygraph test and they agreed, after Steve Cook admited to the hoax no one was given a polygraph. My friend Adam and his ex Tammey really WANTED to have a polygraph test done to prove their sightings. Adam says alot of what was taped about his and Tammeys interview was not shown on the MQ episode, he said he shared much much more about his sightings (which were multiple sightings over a two year period) than what was shown..what else did they leave out we must have to wonder.

[merla]

Originally Posted by destinysmoon1964

Steve Cook WAS asked to do a polygraph test, thats when he came clean about all this. My friend Adam Davis and his ex-girlfriend Tammey were also asked to do polygraph test and they agreed, after Steve Cook admited to the hoax no one was given a polygraph. My friend Adam and his ex Tammey really WANTED to have a polygraph test done to prove their sightings. Adam says alot of what was taped about his and Tammeys interview was not shown on the MQ episode, he said he shared much much more about his sightings (which were multiple sightings over a two year period) than what was shown..what else did they leave out we must have to wonder.

You do have to wonder.

I'm still holding out for Mike to give us the full Gable masterpiece minus all the edits. That would be very worth seeing indeed.

[destinysmoon1964]

Originally Posted by merla

I agree I felt there was something not right about the angle, distance and speed of Mike's run. I@m not sold on the stance either because I couldn't make out the shape of his body clearly enough thanks to all that dangling mesh

Also, if there was supposed to be a coat hanger for ears why didn't he put it on and show us the full effect? If he does agree to do another couple of runs for us I want to see the ears ^-^

Perhaps this Mike fella was trained in Parkour? Since the film (to me anyway) wasn't made in the 70's this may be a feasible explanation. Another explanation might be that maybe he just couldn't get that stance and run the right way twice. Its a long shot I know, but who knows.

[hudepohl]

Don Coyote has arrived on the old thread. 8:12 PM EDT.

[destinysmoon1964]

Originally Posted by merla

You do have to wonder.

I'm still holding out for Mike to give us the full Gable masterpiece minus all the edits. That would be very worth seeing indeed.

I don't believe that fella is going to come clean about this film at all. In my heart I believe that he got his rocks off by confusing people with his lies. Made him feel allmighty and powerful inside. Another thing I was thinking about..why would he divulge his secret cinematography? Would you share one of your delicious secret recipes with others if you knew you had a good product? If you knew you could possibly make money off of it? coke a cola wont divulge its recipe, its kept in a vault under lock and key, so is Dr.Peppers secret recipe. This guy had free advertisement in giving this film to Steve Cook, IF thats what he did, I still think that Steve Cook and his mindstage company are the real culprits behind this film..anyway, as I was saying..this guy got free advertisement of his work by giving this to Steve Cook, its in Steves DVD, on the internet..surely someone would be interested in his work after all of this. He didnt after all make any money off his other film endeavours according to what he said.
There are so many scenarios we can discuss here..but the only way we would know for sure is if someone could duplicate this film.

[merla]

Originally Posted by destinysmoon1964

Perhaps this Mike fella was trained in Parkour? Since the film (to me anyway) wasn't made in the 70's this may be a feasible explanation. Another explanation might be that maybe he just couldn't get that stance and run the right way twice. Its a long shot I know, but who knows.

It's possible. The stance thing is why I suggested he film a few more runs for us to ponder over, that way we've got more of an idea of how the movement of the suit could potentially be Bitey even if he doesn't get it spot on.

[merla]

Originally Posted by hudepohl

Don Coyote has arrived on the old thread. 8:12 PM EDT.

Thanks for the heads up

[hudepohl]

Originally Posted by merla

Thanks for the heads up

You're welcome.

[shankers]

Off to bed now. Interesting day in the story of the Gable Film! Night all, thanks for your sharing your thoughts.

[destinysmoon1964]

Originally Posted by hudepohl

You're welcome.

And he is being as pompous as ever. Do you guys reeeally want to have this man explain things to ya'll? Look at how he is making light of all of this. He isn't going to clear up anything.

[biblegirl]

Originally Posted by destinysmoon1964

And he is being as pompous as ever. Do you guys reeeally want to have this man explain things to ya'll?

no

the story of just wanting to recreate the 87 stir in the crypto world (as if steve cook somehow brought it to life) is lame as all get out, and furthermore steve and mike seem overly optimistic of how popular this film was

im not really interested in more stories from either of these clowns