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Old 21-03-2010, 01:51 PM   #1
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THE FALSE TEACHING OF RAPTURE THEORY

The origins of the Pre Tribulation Rapture Theory date back to Scotland in the early 1800’s. The epic begins with one Edward Irving, a Licensed Presbyterian Minister born in 1792 and who is credited with being the first individual to put forth the initial theory.


The Rapture Theory states, that there are actually three appearances or comings of Christ found in the New Testament. Irving is also credited with being the ” Father of Modern Pentecostalism”, and the Charisma-tic Revival Movement. He was the first Christian Minister to promote “Speaking in Tongues” which is alleged to be speaking “Prophetic Utterances of the Holy Spirit” in an unknown tongue regarding prophetic events that will take place before the “End of Days”.


He was later defrocked by the Presbyterian Trustees on March 13, 1833 for his position on Pre Millennial Rapture, Speaking in Tongues and the teaching that; when Christ incarnated into flesh, He fully assumed a sinful human nature, and that Christ’s sinless life depended wholly on the power and guidance of the Holy Spirit and not by His Godly Human Nature.
Irving died on December 7, 1834 at the young age of 42.


The next luminary in the Rapture Theory Saga is John Nelson Darby.
Born November 18, 1800 in London, England, Darby earned a degree in Law at Trinity College in Dublin Ireland in 1819. After finishing school, he perused more spiritual endeavors and some six years later in 1825, became a Deacon in the Church of England.


A turning point came in his life when he was convalescing from a horse riding accident. It was during this time that he began to formulate his dispensational ideas and beliefs of a “Secret Rapture Theory”. It was later recorded; that he confessed to William Kelly, a fellow theological writer in 1830, while studying II Thessalonians 2:1-2 regarding the “Gathering back together in Christ”, that the scripture indicated that a secret gathering away of the Church would proceed the Great Tribulation and “Day of the Lord”.


Darby was quoted as saying to a fellow brethren in the Anglican Church by the name of T. Tweedy; “that he had cleared up the Legalistic Exegetical difficulties he had first encountered in the Text”; without ever explaining exactly how he was able to justify several very questionable elements first encountered in the development of his initial Rapture Theory.


From this point: Darby’s pre-Tribulation Rapture Doctrine continued to gather ardent support by his then fellow ministers in Ireland. Eventually Rapture Theory was discussed in great detail in conferences held at the “Powerscourt Prophetic Conferences” in Ireland from 1831 to 1835, until the concept was completely solidified into the current Rapture Doctrine.


The “Two-Stage Coming” view of Irving, Darby and other proponents began to proliferate and spread to America by the end of the 19th Century. Subsequently: Darby made several trips to the USA where his dispensational Rapture Theory was eventually incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, published in 1909. Darby died in 1882 at the age of 81 years old.


Although some Bible researchers indicate that an early Roman scholar by the name of Victorinus suggested that a Pre-tribulation Rapture was indicated in II Thessalonians 2:14; there is no record before 1830, that any Christian Organization had ever accepted or taught a Secret Pre-Tribulation or two stage Second or Third Advent of Christ.


The initial progenitor of the Rapture Theory was indeed Edward Irving, but it was John Nelson Darby and a “self appointed” prophetess by the name of Margaret MacDonald that thrust it in its present form into the Evangelical Christian Movement. The story begins in Port-Glasgow, Scotland, in the late 1820’s at the home of the James and George MacDonald family. The family consisted of two brothers James and George and three sisters.
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Old 21-03-2010, 01:56 PM   #2
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Project Blue Book and the manufactured Messiah coming back in the false rapture.

Their technology can now get into the minds of everyone on the planet AND in their own individual language and dialect to make people believe that their god is calling them. It is this that the ANTI-Christ is setting up through NASA (by the way, the reason why NASA was created in the first place). This A-C inspired rapture will draw millions to their deaths and or enslavement into the camps which are ready for them.

The future arrival of the Anti-Christ is not an event that most Christian believers expect to ever witness. They have been conditioned by their church organizations to believe that there will be a “Gathering away to Heaven” of Christ’s faithful around the world before the “Seven Year Tribulation” of anti-Christ, which is the run-up to the end of this Earth Age and the primary subject of the Revelation of St John. This erroneous concept is known as the Rapture Theory.

Since most of the religions around the world are awaiting a messiah or prophet to come at a time of great worldwide cataclysm and disruption. Those who believe in “The Fly-away Rapture” will certainly be vaulted into a state of euphoria when they see what they believe to be their Messiah coming in the clouds surrounded by millions of UFO anti gravity vehicles, declaring that this is indeed the “ONE” who has been prophesied.

However: The “one” coming in the clouds will be Lucifer as the counterfeit Messiah. Furthermore: Lucifer will be able to deceive most believers because; He will be “doing great signs and wonders” which are written of in the Gospel Prophecies of Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

Project Blue Beam is the operational name for the Illuminati’s (New World Order)’ world wide spiritual strategy of religious deception. The Blue Beam technology is truly a weapon of Mass Deception. As stated: The Blue Beam delivery system is comprised of over two hundred and sixty Russian built Cosmosphere space based platforms. These remote controlled geo-synchronous anti gravity weapon platforms are equipped with powerful Carbon Dioxide Lasers, Anti Matter Scalar Cannons and Psycho Acoustic Jigger Frequency Transmitters. The JIGGER Transmitter was deployed in 1994 and produces inaudible 435MHz to 450 MHz. Doppler Modulated Pink-noise signals that when activated, can disrupt the normal human conscience thought process of every person on the earth. One effect of these devices is the unrelenting re-play of the last musical tune an individual has heard, over and over in their head.

The deceptive visual and audible script will claim that those that will be accompanying the so called “Messiah” in UFOs are New Age Ascended Masters, who are alleged to be our Forefathers and Creators, and other heavenly ” Angelic Beings”. The “Voice” that will be speaking in a soft soothing manner, will claim to be “God”. Additionally: Blue Beam will be a worldwide synchronized spectacular event and aired live on every TV station in the world as the show unfolds. NASA will manage every technological aspect of the deceptive Blue Beam project.

Imagine the elation of the millions of Christians who expected to be raptured to Heaven at the end of the “Show”, and their rank disappointment to find that they are still here on earth. They will return to the same Church Leaders who have taught the deception of Rapture and other false hoods over the years, to seek understanding as to why they did not “Fly Away” to Heaven with the Lord. After the unpleasant initial confrontations: Many will turn away from their belief in the “God of the Bible”; while yet others will accept the Blue Beam script and ultimately revere and worship the False Messiah. This will produce the “Great Falling Away” of most believers in every religion. Compare Matthew Ch. 24. Mark 13, Luke 21.

The Beast System prophets of Baal (false teachers) are already in place. They are the leaders of the largest Christian Denominations and Churches. These men and women will never warn their followers of the Blue Beam deception, because they will be in lockstep with anti-Christ’s One World Government and New Age Religion. The majority of Christian Denominations will actually verify that the “ONE” who will come in the clouds surrounded by UFOs is indeed the “Messiah”.

Take heed: BELIEVE THEM NOT!

The insidious NASA Blue Beam Project will launch the New Age Religion complete with
anti-Christ as its earthly spiritual leader. It must be noted that without a unified religious belief, the absolute dictatorship of the One World Government will never achieve complete acceptance. I'll repeat that: Without a universal belief in the New Age Religion, the ACCEPTANCE & SUCCESS of the New World Order could never be possible; just as it is not possible for the world to unite today because of the diversity of the many world wide religious beliefs! This is why the Blue Beam Project is so important to them, and so well hidden from the public’s knowledge until now.
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Old 21-03-2010, 02:05 PM   #3
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MATTHEW 24 :


3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately , saying , Tell us, when shall these things be ? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying , I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


Yeshua then goes on to describe `the signs` to His disciples :


6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled : for all these things must come to pass , but the end is not yet. 7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. 9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10 And then shall many be offended , and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11 And many false prophets shall rise , and shall deceive many. 12 And because iniquity shall abound , the love of many shall wax cold . 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved . 14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come . 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth , let him understand. 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be . 22 And except those days should be shortened , there should no flesh be saved : but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened


Yeshua then goes on to err a further WARNING about FALSE CHRISTS :



23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo , here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold , I have told you before . 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold , he is in the desert; go not forth : behold , he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be . 28 For wheresoever the carcase is , there will the eagles be gathered together



and finally, Yeshua tells His disciples what is going to happen regards `the gathering`



29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened , and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken : 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn , and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other .

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Old 21-03-2010, 02:19 PM   #4
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Matthew 24 is talking strighly about Israel.

Israel has nothing to do with the Church.

Mixing Israel with the Church is heresy, called Replacement Theology.

Obviously talking about Matthew 24 and the rapture is totally absurd. That alone instantly shows study needs to be done there.



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The origins of the Pre Tribulation Rapture Theory date back to Scotland in the early 1800’s
The Pretribulation Rapture Has Been Taught Throughout Christian History
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Belie...re_history.htm

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture Was Taught by the Early Church
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Old 21-03-2010, 02:29 PM   #5
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Matthew 24 is talking strighly about Israel.

Israel has nothing to do with the Church.

Mixing Israel with the Church is heresy, called Replacement Theology.





No disrespect, I`m not stopping you from believing it.
You can believe as you wish.

But ask yourself this : Why has the R.C. church stated : `its not unscriptural to believe in ALIENS` ?
WHAT ARE THEY PREPARING OUR MINDS FOR ?

This is just my own opinion here :

I suspect they will make look like there`s some `visitation` or other.....
no doubt along with all the long-awaited Messiahs /prophets or whatever....

The JEWS are still awaiting (what they call) their MESSIAH

The CHRISTIANS are awaiting the return of Yeshua /Jesus

and the MUSLIMS are awaiting their lost Prophet : the Mahdi


Now all tptb have got to do is deceive ppl by making it look that these visitors are the 3 awaited figures..... and people will be falling over themselves with great delight.

All differences would be forgotton......
Just so long as each group got their own `long awaited` Messiah /Prophet.

But Yeshua WARNED : NOT to fall for FALSE Christs.

He isnt coming back until AFTER the tribulation of those days, and anything prior to that will be FALSE.

Now, if you want to fly away with the ALIENS fine.... but I aint coming with you LOL.
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Old 21-03-2010, 02:42 PM   #6
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Please check out the 2nd post on here :



Their GAMES of deception
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108987







Anyone ever remember the words of GWB when he said :

`BRING IT ON` !!!!!!!!!


( sigh.... the crazies are running the asylum - and will self-fulfil EVERY Prophecy ever writ throughout the ages)

Does that mean the Bible is untrue then ?

No, of course not....


whilst indeed, Prophecy IS `history written in advance`

GOD knew what evil men would do, and the Prophecies are God`s Warnings to us.
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No disrespect, I`m not stopping you from believing it.
You can believe as you wish.

But ask yourself this : Why has the R.C. church stated : `its not unscriptural to believe in ALIENS` ?
WHAT ARE THEY PREPARING OUR MINDS FOR ?

This is just my own opinion here :

I suspect they will make look like there`s some `visitation` or other.....
no doubt along with all the long-awaited Messiahs /prophets or whatever....

The JEWS are still awaiting (what they call) their MESSIAH

The CHRISTIANS are awaiting the return of Yeshua /Jesus

and the MUSLIMS are awaiting their lost Prophet : the Mahdi


Now all tptb have got to do is deceive ppl by making it look that these visitors are the 3 awaited figures..... and people will be falling over themselves with great delight.

All differences would be forgotton......
Just so long as each group got their own `long awaited` Messiah /Prophet.

But Yeshua WARNED : NOT to fall for FALSE Christs.

He isnt coming back until AFTER the tribulation of those days, and anything prior to that will be FALSE.

Now, if you want to fly away with the ALIENS fine.... but I aint coming with you LOL.
Who's in control, the Roman Catholic beast system, illuminati card games or GOD Almighty ? What's the biggest authority of truth, GOD Almighty & His Word or the alien deception being played out by fallen angels ?

Again, it's not what ***I*** believe. Biblically speaking, Israel is not the Church (and vice versa) - this is fact, not a "personal belief". God has different plans for both Israel and the Church. Consequently, pulling out Matthew 24 to talk about the timing of the rapture is absurd to say the very least. Since Matthew 24 is about His second coming and it concerns Israel and Israel only, not the Church.
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Christ is already here..he got hunted underground by the NSA/CIA..he probably will never show his face...
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Who's in control, the Roman Catholic beast system, illuminati card games or GOD Almighty ? What's the biggest authority of truth, GOD Almighty & His Word or the alien deception being played out by fallen angels ?

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GOD is in ultimate control but Yeshua said that `satan is the god of this world`

We know that satan is being allowed a short period of time.
In other words: God could wipe satan out faster than the blink of an eye, but that would not then prove how many ppl will remain faithful to God, and how many will follow satan (basically the follow on from Genesis)

We are told that satan has been cast out IN GREAT ANGER.
That`s what the tribulation is.

Yeshua said : `those who persevere TO THE END will be saved`
NOT `the beginning` - `the end`

We should expect all of these things. Yeshua warned about false teachers /false prophets / and FALSE CHRISTS.

I dont even want to think about when the anti-christ comes, how many are going to fall for his charm... and that FALSE peace treaty.

People will be falling over themselves.... and will accept `his mark` just so long as they think there`s `peace and security` and they`ll be able to access all the services.

I believe many of `the elect` will be deceived.....
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The PROS and CONS of `believing` or NOT believing in a pre-tribulation `gathering` (rapture)


Those who DO believe in it......

Pros :
If it does happen pre-trib then fine.

Cons :
If it DOESN`T - then they`re going to be so disappointed /disallusioned
I believe they will fall for anything which the anti-christ offers them.




Those who DON`T believe it.....

Pros :
If it doesnt happen then at least they are going to be MORE spiritually prepared for what they`re going to have to go through.....

Cons :
If they`ve misunderstood and are wrong, at least they`ll still be prepared.



Yeshua NEVER made it a stipulation that ppl had to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, but rather that they believe in Him, His teachings, His death & resurrection, and ultimately His return.
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The PROS and CONS of `believing` or NOT believing in a pre-tribulation `gathering` (rapture)


Those who DO believe in it......

Pros :
If it does happen pre-trib then fine.

Cons :
If it DOESN`T - then they`re going to be so disappointed /disallusioned
I believe they will fall for anything which the anti-christ offers them.




Those who DON`T believe it.....

Pros :
If it doesnt happen then at least they are going to be MORE spiritually prepared for what they`re going to have to go through.....

Cons :
If they`ve misunderstood and are wrong, at least they`ll still be prepared.



Yeshua NEVER made it a stipulation that ppl had to believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, but rather that they believe in Him, His teachings, His death & resurrection, and ultimately His return.
What if he never had a resurrection?

If Jesus did resurrect then he had to stay in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, just as Yonas stayed in the belly of a whale. Yet he never, so he either did not fulfil prophecy or he had not yet met the criteria to complete it. Another possibility is that he lied and finally, and more likely, it's not a valid concept of his, thus a fabricated or misunderstood view form an on-looker (who then couldn't be guided by spirit) while writing this document, or a maliciously planted idealism.
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What if he never had a resurrection?

If Jesus did resurrect then he had to stay in the earth for 3 days and 3 nights, just as Yonas stayed in the belly of a whale. Yet he never, so he either did not fulfil prophecy or he had not yet met the criteria to complete it. Another possibility is that he lied and finally, and more likely, it's not a valid concept of his, thus a fabricated or misunderstood view form an on-looker (who then couldn't be guided by spirit) while writing this document, or a maliciously planted idealism.





Thats all I need....
Someone to come along and complicate it LOL.
(only joking with you ) How are you today ?

Re: the 3 days - I think we really need to put this into proper perspective.

Yes, when Yeshua referred to Jonah in the belly of the whale He WAS referring to what He knew was to happen to Him (in the ground for 3 days, 3 nights)

What we need to understand first and foremost - and this is very important
is that Yeshua was crucified around PASSOVER..... NOTHING TO DO WITH EASTER..... (EASTER IS A PAGAN FERTILITY FESTIVAL)

Therefore, whatever day it was when Yeshua was crucified, He would have resurrected a full 3 days /3 nights later - but of course how could they get that to fit in with their PAGAN `good Friday to Easter SUN-day` scenario ? they couldnt, and whats worse, they must have thought no one would notice !!!!!!

Passover as you know is calculated entirely differently to what the pagan easter festival is, and therefore to commemorate the day of his death and the day of His resurrection is NOT going to be on the same days each year (just as your birthday for example is not on the same day each year, and neither is mine)

I dont doubt the truth about Yeshua`s death and resurrection - but I certainly do doubt the motives of all those who have had their own agendas.

We do need to be careful `not to throw out the baby with the bath water` lol.
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Thats all I need....
Someone to come along and complicate it LOL.
(only joking with you ) How are you today ?

Re: the 3 days - I think we really need to put this into proper perspective.

Yes, when Yeshua referred to Jonah in the belly of the whale He WAS referring to what He knew was to happen to Him (in the ground for 3 days, 3 nights)

What we need to understand first and foremost - and this is very important
is that Yeshua was crucified around PASSOVER..... NOTHING TO DO WITH EASTER..... (EASTER IS A PAGAN FERTILITY FESTIVAL)

Therefore, whatever day it was when Yeshua was crucified, He would have resurrected a full 3 days /3 nights later - but of course how could they get that to fit in with their PAGAN `good Friday to Easter SUN-day` scenario ? they couldnt, and whats worse, they must have thought no one would notice !!!!!!

Passover as you know is calculated entirely differently to what the pagan easter festival is, and therefore to commemorate the day of his death and the day of His resurrection is NOT going to be on the same days each year (just as your birthday for example is not on the same day each year, and neither is mine)

I dont doubt the truth about Yeshua`s death and resurrection - but I certainly do doubt the motives of all those who have had their own agendas.

We do need to be careful `not to throw out the baby with the bath water` lol.
Haha, sorry to ask awkward questions but it helps me better understand the context in your messages because I am still not 100% convinced

Thanks God I am well I am ill but happy.

If we read the Bible - Jesus was 'crucified' on the day of the Sabbath, which means he was 'dead' before Friday sunset.

According to the prophecy of Jonas, 3 days and 3 nights are the time.

Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.

Well, even today the first day of the week in the Middle East is Sunday, so that says he was in the Earth from Friday to Sunday.

Looking at it logically, we get:
Friday Night
Saturday
Saturday Night
Sunday

Sunday night is missing, that being from sunset until sunrise and so is Monday. As such we have a few possibilities:

Jesus was wrong
Jesus lied
Jesus never fulfilled the prophecy of Jonas
He did not die there

What do you think?
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Haha, sorry to ask awkward questions but it helps me better understand the context in your messages because I am still not 100% convinced

Thanks God I am well I am ill but happy.

If we read the Bible - Jesus was 'crucified' on the day of the Sabbath, which means he was 'dead' before Friday sunset.

According to the prophecy of Jonas, 3 days and 3 nights are the time.

Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.

Well, even today the first day of the week in the Middle East is Sunday, so that says he was in the Earth from Friday to Sunday.

Looking at it logically, we get:
Friday Night
Saturday
Saturday Night
Sunday

Sunday night is missing, that being from sunset until sunrise and so is Monday. As such we have a few possibilities:

Jesus was wrong
Jesus lied
Jesus never fulfilled the prophecy of Jonas
He did not die there

What do you think?



Other possibilities :-

Mark 16:9 could have been altered ? (deliberately or otherwise)

or

Didnt the Jews also have a High Sabbath when it was their festivals ?

or

Any chance that those 17 days made a difference when we got the Gregorian calender.

To be honest I`m not sure when we got the Gregorian calender..... but assuming it was BEFORE the Bible went into print.... then might have made some difference.

I`m NOT looking for reasons to suggest Yeshua`s death didnt happen.... but rather I think the dating has been manipulated in some way so they fit it in with the pagan fertility festival of Easter.

I`ll do abit of research on this (but not tonight lol, its time to call a halt now I`m tired) I will also ask my good friend about it because he`s more educated that I (having got 3 degrees in theology & has read & studied all the ancient texts)

love, peace and blessings.
stay safe.

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I personally dont think revelations has anything to do with any form of rapture, or lifting up into heaven. I think its about the inevitibility of a return to human balance, an age of peace.

But then I dont read any christian metaphysics from the bible generally either (I dont beleive in heaven, as a literal place, or eden as a literal place, or the devil as a literal entity). As such, being a christian, maybe your not interested in my POV.

What I can say for sure, and Im sure youll agree, is that human beings generally, have been waiting for the end of the world, being rescued by angels or aliens, or similar since the begining of human time. Like heaven and hell, this promise of hope and fear makes peoples dull lives seem more meaningful, without any real effort needed on their part, other than buying into a dream.

I guess people who buy lotto tickets temporarily experience this sense of disconnected hope. And the trouble is, that real meaning, the kind of meaning you get from taking a step, a breath, or seeing an insect, rather than cosmic battles for your soul, is alot harder to create. It requires more than just a dream you beleive in, it require _you_ to carry the meaning, and an inner sense of peace and connectedness.
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Old 23-03-2010, 03:47 PM   #16
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I personally dont think revelations has anything to do with any form of rapture, or lifting up into heaven. I think its about the inevitibility of a return to human balance, an age of peace.

But then I dont read any christian metaphysics from the bible generally either (I dont beleive in heaven, as a literal place, or eden as a literal place, or the devil as a literal entity). As such, being a christian, maybe your not interested in my POV.

What I can say for sure, and Im sure youll agree, is that human beings generally, have been waiting for the end of the world, being rescued by angels or aliens, or similar since the begining of human time. QUOTE]






Hello

Always interested in everyone`s POV lol, unless they are down right rude (which I know you are not in that category)

You`re right, ppl have been thinking its the end of the age /end of the world (call it whatever) ever since Yeshua`s day in fact.
Even disciples thought Yeshua would return whilst they were alive.

However, when Yeshua pointed out `the signs` He did say: `when you see ALL these things occur` (paraphrased) and nowadays almost everything He mentioned is being seen.
Gotta admit this world cannot get much worse, or can it ?

As for `a rapture` or `gathering` I`m slightly confused too lol.
Whilst Matthew 24 does point to `a gathering` YET.... in His Sermon on the Mount, Yeshua said : `Blessed are the meek, FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH`
So if all Christians go to heaven ? WHO are the ones who will inherit the EARTH ??????? (I havent found a Christian who can answer that yet, but I`m sure there`s at least one on here who will come up with an answer for it)

Revelation also foretells of a NEW heaven and a NEW earth, for the former things have passed away - and how there`ll be no more pain, no more death, no more sickness ect.

I am cautious about everything thats been said about 2012, but.....
there seems to be alot of ppl who speak about what they call planetX - nibruru whatever...... and realistically if something like that happened then it certainly would shake the earth to its very core - and we can read in Prophecy how the earth will shake, and the mountains will be moved ect.
I dont know...... I just keep a watch on ALL of it lol.
Yeshua said `keep watch` sounds like good advice to me.

take care.
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