How Islamic inventors changed the world

[free thinker]

Originally Posted by scooby85

youve just reinforced what i just said.. if you knew anything about islam you'd know that suicide has no place in islam, its prohibited in every way, shape and form. Just because mr mohamed abdul claims he did it for allah doesnt make it apart of the religion.

*yawn*

[logos880]

Originally Posted by scooby85

of course it removed the context! that verse makes it sound like its talking about killing all non muslims even the innocent ones but when you read the following verse it says Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits


basically means fight anyone who fights you, simple logic mate, thats how humans work. What would you do if some one smacks you? be a pussy by the sounds of it.

even then it says do not trangress limits, i.e dont go over the top.

Excerpt K 8:012 Set 28, Count 62
...make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

So let me make sure I understand the context of this verse. If someone disbelieves chop off their heads and fingertips? A religion of peace lolz...riiiight.

Originally Posted by scooby85

you mentioned that that the quran has punishments like chopping off the fingers etc well if the crime deserved that punishment then so what.. I think thats what you ment maybe i didnt understand what you were trying to say..

And by crime you mean disbelieving or not being a Muslim, correct? The context was not changed. The point of my post was to show how violent the Koran is and that it preaches violence as a solution.

Originally Posted by scooby85

Haha nothing could be closer to the truth and you class it as bs.. yeh nice one!

You said the antichrist will be egyptian and you make this assertion based on this logic: pyramid = pharoah. Truth...really?! You have presented no proof outside of your own flawed logic contained in your assumption.

Originally Posted by scooby85

If america wanted to invade iraq they wouldve done, whether it was a jewish, christian, muslim, hindu or a fuckin jedi state, they wouldve found one reason or another... And why do they need islam to invade other countries, if for example a country was jewish, they could just as easily said the jewish state has weapons of mass destruction..

if there was no religion they'd blame cults, if there were no cults they'd blame the races.. so they are not using islam as a friend, your far of the mark. So why invade (soon) iraq, iran, syria, palestine, pakistan, afghanistan, lebanon, somalia, sudan etc yet no non muslim countries? Its plain and simple, cos its a war on islam as it will be the ultimate obstacle for the Antichrist.

Let me tell you another islamic prophecy... When the antichrists here, there will be a great war where muslim nations will join forces with a christian force from the north, together they will defeat the army from the west, the illuminati (dajjal) then islam will claim it was allah who made them win and Christians will argue that it was the cross. Then they themselves in engage in a bloody battle where the muslims will defeat the christians and the whole world will become islamic..

Army from the north (russia) muslim nation (iran)

must be true if its on wiki..

Yeah, if America wants to invade they will but that doesn't change the fact that Islamic terrorism is a very convenient excuse for an invasion.

[free_thinker]

Originally Posted by free thinker

Any shit posts, i'm gonna blame you for them lol...."who me....Nah....must be the other one mate" lol

Only quality from me....who said that?....me...you....

You wanna flip a coin to see who changes username, Heads..no, tails

[rapunzel]

Originally Posted by griffinman

Bastards, imagine how cool the pyramids would look with the facing stones on.

It was supposedly a Muslim, a Sufi, who knocked off the nose of the Sphinx since people were worshipping it and he wanted to show them it was just a piece of stone.

[decode reality]

Originally Posted by worlds beyond

given the overwhelmingly negative (statistically proven fact) tone of reports and respresentations of Muslims in the media (ALL sectors), and in this and other forums, I don't see how one thread showing something positive contributed by Muslims to the world has got so many people's knickers in a twist....

or perhaps, like I said earlier, it's just that many people around here have fallen prey to the PTB's Propaganda machines, hence any thread mentioning 'Muslims' becomes an easy target for ignorance, misinformation and intolerance.

We can't all be painted with such broad brush strokes. I mentioned in my last post or two that I've noticed the 'Islamo-centrists' trying to gain a monopoly on historical achievement since the mid 90s. In other words, long before the media started having a go at those who follow that particular religion.

[aronia]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

It's a disinfo campaign to sell Islam to the gullbile and ignorant. Islam is being pushed as the bastion of civilisation and inventions.

Truth is it's the opposite.

Amen to that.

Islam didn`t invent anything - they just rebranded it as there inventions.

http://goodsensepolitics.blogspot.co...tuff-they.html

The inventions was reallly invented by Egypt, Greece, and Rome: Civilizations of the Ancient Mediterranean.

Anyway Islam is a creation of the illuminati - to anvanced the aganda the NWO.

Also to killed true christians and others now and when.

Sources

Bloodline insider.

And other sources

Whenever Islam Conquer Rome and the vatican benefit.

Today the jesuit order benefit.

[lextorite]

Originally Posted by eternal_spirit

It's a disinfo campaign to sell Islam to the gullbile and ignorant. Islam is being pushed as the bastion of civilisation and inventions.

Truth is it's the opposite.

Divide and conquer works well for the gullbile and ignorant too.

[scooby85]

Originally Posted by free thinker

*yawn*

been proved wrong have we? well obviously..well and truly TOLD!

[scooby85]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by logos880

Excerpt K 8:012 Set 28, Count 62
...make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

So let me make sure I understand the context of this verse. If someone disbelieves chop off their heads and fingertips? A religion of peace lolz...riiiight.

please read the verses properly else your just going to keep looking like a fool.. thats verse 08:12 lets look at the next verse

008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

008.013 This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.

If anyone disbelieves then thats upto them, as the quran states many times that there is no compulsion in religion. However this verse makes it clear to me that it wasnt directed at disbelievers but rather to disbelievers who waged a war on islam. changes the context doesnt it!

And by crime you mean disbelieving or not being a Muslim, correct? The context was not changed. The point of my post was to show how violent the Koran is and that it preaches violence as a solution.

no, i mean crime as in people who wage war on islam, as a muslim, we cant harm or attack anyone who isnt harming us, or planning to harm us, so yeah i would say its a religion of peace.. If someone attacks me and i dont reply back with violence, what sort of man am i..if i had a pussy then its understandable..

You said the antichrist will be egyptian and you make this assertion based on this logic: pyramid = pharoah. Truth...really?! You have presented no proof outside of your own flawed logic contained in your assumption.

no i never said the antichrist would be egyptian, i said he will have the same blood line as the pharoah, the queen, us presidents, the illuminati.. as its strongly believed that they all share the same blood. like i said its always been a battle of good bloodline (abrahamic) v bad (illuminati)

moses v pharoah, david v goliath etc the next one will be between the antichrist and jesus

Yeah, if America wants to invade they will but that doesn't change the fact that Islamic terrorism is a very convenient excuse for an invasion.

but your not getting my point, if it was jews then it wouldve been jewish terrorism, if it was christians it wouldve been christian terrorism, it if was blacks then it would be a war on black terrorism..u get my drift?

If Islam had anything to do with the illuminati then why would it urge 1.5 billion muslims to wage a war against their party? thats the biggest army in the world, theyd be shooting themselves in the foot, they got a hard enough job as it is...

[scooby85]

Originally Posted by aronia

Amen to that.

Islam didn`t invent anything - they just rebranded it as invention.

http://goodsensepolitics.blogspot.co...tuff-they.html

The inventions was reallly invented by Egypt, Greece, and Rome: Civilizations of the Ancient Mediterranean.

Anyway Islam is a creation of the illuminati - to anvanced the aganda the NWO.

Sources

Bloodline insider.

And other sources

Where Islam Conquer Rome and the vatican benefit.

Today the jesuit order benefit.

oh your source is a bloodline insider? wow.. and other sources?? solid concrete evidence

Its BS mate, read my above post

[logos880]

Originally Posted by scooby85

please read the verses properly else your just going to keep looking like a fool.. thats verse 08:12 lets look at the next verse

If anyone disbelieves then thats upto them, as the quran states many times that there is no compulsion in religion. However this verse makes it clear to me that it wasnt directed at disbelievers but rather to disbelievers who waged a war on islam. changes the context doesnt it!

Violence in response to disbelief is wrong. I don't know how else I can say that. I said that the Koran encourages violence. End of story.

Originally Posted by scooby85

no, i mean crime as in people who wage war on islam, as a muslim, we cant harm or attack anyone who isnt harming us, or planning to harm us, so yeah i would say its a religion of peace.. If someone attacks me and i dont reply back with violence, what sort of man am i..if i had a pussy then its understandable..

No that is not peace dude. Christianity is a religion of peace (ie turn the other cheek) not Islam. Violence will only lead to more violence. The Koran encourages violence yet again.

Originally Posted by scooby85

no i never said the antichrist would be egyptian, i said he will have the same blood line as the pharoah, the queen, us presidents, the illuminati.. as its strongly believed that they all share the same blood. like i said its always been a battle of good bloodline (abrahamic) v bad (illuminati)

moses v pharoah, david v goliath etc the next one will be between the antichrist and jesus

That sounds like more a fully formed thought there. Types of Christs v Antichrists...archetypes.

Originally Posted by scooby85

but your not getting my point, if it was jews then it wouldve been jewish terrorism, if it was christians it wouldve been christian terrorism, it if was blacks then it would be a war on black terrorism..u get my drift?

No I see your point. You can make all the "IF" statements you want but fact of the matter is that it was Islamic terrorism. Period.

Originally Posted by scooby85

If Islam had anything to do with the illuminati then why would it urge 1.5 billion muslims to wage a war against their party? thats the biggest army in the world, theyd be shooting themselves in the foot, they got a hard enough job as it is...

Dude, the Illuminati are a shadow government. They are not one or two countries and they are not politicians that we recognize. They want a war so they can usher in a false peace and the people who are still alive will love them for it.

[aronia]

Originally Posted by scooby85

oh your source is a bloodline insider? wow.. and other sources?? solid concrete evidence

Its BS mate, read my above post

Are you one of these islamic fundamalist working for mi5 - to place all this propaganda on forums etc all over the internet?

All religions is created to anvanced the agenda of the New world order.

You seem to be a very arrogant person and high up on your horses.

Are you one of these agent of deception?

[dynamicwiseman]

@ scooby85

You are correct there is no compulsion in religion, I have read the Quran from cover to cover, and can find no evidence that the Quran instructs Muslims to go out and kill unbelievers take their land/woman ect. However what the Quran makes clear is that IF YOU ARE ATTACKED then yes you can defend yourself only to the point they stop attacking you. Prophet Muhammed was a Warner sent to a group of people to warn them of their fate. His job was to broadcast the message loud and clear to the people and nothing more. His job was not to coerce people into belief, he was told belief was not in his hands.

To argue with westerners is a futile exercise. In the west there is zero enlightenment. So how under who terms are you doing to start a dialogue on religious matters concerning the unseen realm? To ask a Romanised Christian? to ask a johnny come lately Arab? To ask the ancient Ethiopian monotheism? Look at even the Native American Indians they have some advance wisdom and can speak at lengths of the metaphysical world to come. However, many people do not understand this knowledge and its sources hence the confusion.

Do you believe, as many believe, that Islam is an Arab religion invented by Arabs for some sociological means thus forming a civilisation the end result being an empire? Or is the opposite true that Islam is a long line of monotheism coming directly from that which many have forgotten? The ancient Ethiopian monotheism is what started it all off and spread around the region. But many will dispute this, did not Solomon have contact the Sheba? Why did Sheba accept monotheism so easily? Did Solomon invade and taken over Sheba's kingdom thus forcing the people to convert? Or did logic/reason take over thus forming both kingdoms as one, since they saw themselves as one. Remember when the Arab armies marched against monotheism during Muhammed's time, how they did everything possible to destroy him and his follows? Can these be the same people today professing that they are the carries of Islam? No, this cannot be, for you have to follow the logic. For even Muhammed knew that to the south (Ethiopia) there are a group of people who will take them in and treat them better than they had received in Mecca. To the king of Abyssinia, who believed in monotheism while the Arabs were still fighting it. A legacy left behind by Sheba and continued to this day. So when people say Islam is an Arab religion they are talking and exposing their own ignorance on the matter. Yes the Quran is written in Arabic, so the Arabs may understand & reflect on the verses.

Many people are stuck and don't know how to free themselves. Time moving around in circles where the SAME personality is repeated again and again. Where the same generations repeat the mistakes of the last, where people ask questions that are echoed through time..ect so don't worry ,scooby85, mankind has been here before.

[romas]

Surely if you knew anything about "enlightenment" you'd make proper connections rather than using that word in a pro-ism rant.

[picha]

Originally Posted by dynamicwiseman

@ scooby85

You are correct there is no compulsion in religion, I have read the Quran from cover to cover, and can find no evidence that the Quran instructs Muslims to go out and kill unbelievers take their land/woman ect. However what the Quran makes clear is that IF YOU ARE ATTACKED then yes you can defend yourself only to the point they stop attacking you. Prophet Muhammed was a Warner sent to a group of people to warn them of their fate. His job was to broadcast the message loud and clear to the people and nothing more. His job was not to coerce people into belief, he was told belief was not in his hands.

To argue with westerners is a futile exercise. In the west there is zero enlightenment. So how under who terms are you doing to start a dialogue and religious matters concerning the unseen realm? To ask a Romanised Christian? to ask a johnny come lately Arab? To ask the ancient Ethiopian monotheism? Look at even the Native American Indians even they have some advance wisdom and can speak at lengths of the metaphysical world to come. However, many people do not understand this knowledge and its sources hence the confusion.

Do you believe, as many believe, that Islam is an Arab religion invented by Arabs for some sociological means thus forming a civilisation the end result being an empire? Or is the opposite true that Islam is a long line of monotheism coming directly from that which many have forgotten? The ancient Ethiopian monotheism is what started it all off and spread around the region. But many will dispute this, did not Solomon have contact the Sheba? Why did Sheba accept monotheism so easily? Did Solomon invade and taken over Sheba's kingdom thus forcing the people to convert? Or did logic/reason take over thus forming both kingdoms as one, since they saw themselves as one. Remember when the Arab armies marched against monotheism during Muhammed's time, how they did everything possible to destroy him and his follows? Can these be the same people today professing that they are the carries of Islam? No, this cannot be, for you have to follow the logic. For even Muhammed knew that to the south (Ethiopia) there are a group of people who will take them in and treat them better than they had received in Mecca. To the king of Abyssinia, who believed in monotheism while the Arabs were still fighting it. A legacy left behind by Sheba and continued to this day. So when people say Islam is an Arab religion they are talking and exposing their own ignorance on the matter. Yes the Quran is written in Arabic, so the Arabs may understand & reflect on the verses.

Many people are stuck and don't know how to free themselves. Time moving around in circles where the SAME personality is repeated again and again. Where the same generations repeat the mistakes of the last, where people ask questions that are echoed through time..ect so don't worry ,scooby85, mankind has been here before.

You could ask the Afghan Buddhists what they think of Islam if they weren't all dead or converted that is.

[mightyoak]

You forgot to mention Those great muslim inventions "" The Exploding Underpants"" +"" Shoes."".........

[scooby85]

[QUOTE][QUOTE]

Originally Posted by logos880[B

Violence in response to disbelief is wrong.[/B] I don't know how else I can say that. I said that the Koran encourages violence. End of story.

Its not violence in response to disbelief!! Its violence in retaliation, which you cant say is wrong, as people have to stick up for themselves, so you are wrong.

No that is not peace dude. Christianity is a religion of peace (ie turn the other cheek) not Islam. Violence will only lead to more violence. The Koran encourages violence yet again.

Christianity is not a religion of peace, none one of the three abrahamic religions are, there are plenty of verses in the bible that promote violence, here are a few examples:

In Exodus 15:3, the Bible tells us the Lord is a man of war.

In Mark 7:9, Jesus is critical of the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as prescribed by Old Testament law.

In Luke 19:22-27, Jesus orders killed anyone who refuses to be ruled by him.

But thats not the issue, when different prophets came down, they came down in different scenarios, like when moses came, the general way the world was at the time was to retaliate as there was a lot of violence (an eye for an eye)

Jesus came down at a more peaceful period in time hence turn the other cheek

Muhammad came down at a time when there was widespread violence therefore 'turn the other cheek' method wouldnt have worked. Even then Islam doesnt want violence, it would rather sort matters out without it, however violence is needed sometimes.

That sounds like more a fully formed thought there. Types of Christs v Antichrists...archetypes.

still my argument is logical, although it cant be proven, it makes more than perfect sense.

No I see your point. You can make all the "IF" statements you want but fact of the matter is that it was Islamic terrorism. Period.

But why islamic 'terrorism' we all know that doesnt exist like how the media make it out to exist.. they couldve chosen any religion/sect/cult whatever but they chosen islam, why? Could it be that its the truth and they are trying to weaken it? makes perfect sense

Dude, the Illuminati are a shadow government. They are not one or two countries and they are not politicians that we recognize. They want a war so they can usher in a false peace and the people who are still alive will love them for it.

Will they not get weakened in a full scale war v muslims? it just doesnt make sense..

[scooby85]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by aronia

Are you one of these islamic fundamalist working for mi5 - to place all this propaganda on forums etc all over the internet?



You seem to be a very arrogant person and high up on your horses.

Are you one of these agent of deception?

yerr thats exactly what I am

All religions is created to anvanced the agenda of the New world order.

So why is it that the illuminati are trying to remove faith of god from people? The bottom line is the illuminati dont want people to believe in god, never have done. Look at the countries where the illuminati havnt got a strong hold over, people still regularly go to churches yet look at all the countries which they run i.e us, uk, europe etc the churches are empty on a sunday, most of them are being turned into mosques, pubs, houses..

Go back a hundred years the churches were full of people.

[scooby85]

Originally Posted by picha

You could ask the Afghan Buddhists what they think of Islam if they weren't all dead or converted that is.

Or better still why dont you ask the hundreds of million indian hindus that the muslims ruled over for a thousand years, or the millions that were ruled by islam in spain for 800 years?

you dont seem to get my point, if they killed the buddhists unlawfully then its not a part of islam. If they didnt cause any harm to muslims then they shouldnt have been killed its as simple as that.

[scooby85]

Originally Posted by mightyoak

You forgot to mention Those great muslim inventions "" The Exploding Underpants"" +"" Shoes."".........

remind me to laugh next time..coc*

Get it into your thick head, no kind of suicide is permitted in islam.