The radical left hijacking the truth movement?

[resistance]

Originally Posted by tinyint

My point was more that we leave the highly politicized categorizing and dogmatic stuff behind.

I was just trying to say, that common sense should replace these labels, which is btw not exclusive to Christianity, in essence all cultures developed kind of common sense, with a few exceptions, unfortunately.

However, you are right with one thing, as the Op also is spot on, we need to name to culprits, since it is no conspiracy to name actually the sickos running EUSSR "marxists". It is simply the case and bitter reality.
Everywhere I look in the current western power structure, I encounter marxists in high positions, who advertise the same old tired "workers paradise" deception and other red rhetoric, I believed once to have left behind in 1989.

Yes, ''workers paradise'' indeed. And what people don't understand is how these lunatics wave the red terror tyranny right in front of their noses, while promoting it as 'justice and equality'. Yet communsim is responsible for 100 million deaths worldwide. Something doesn't quite add up does it, and it's not hard to trace it's true origins and roots.

I've been meaning to read the black book of communism and found a free download online, after reading the first few pages it looks an interesting book actually.

Here: http://archive.org/details/TheBlackBookofCommunism10

[resistance]

Originally Posted by believenothing

Yes, the corporations own the government. In fact most Western governments are corporations. When people say the US is a corporation, they aren't joking:

http://www.abodia.com/2/United-State...orporation.htm

It's not a secret and even the US congress will admit it from time to time. It's just the majority of Americans will never realize it or understand/care if they read about it. This plays right into the hands of the communists, it is their agenda.

This is what Marx would have considered the transitionary phase from capitalism to communism. Connect the dots and you'll find huge multi-national corporations free from taxation and treated as (soulless) individuals are subsidiaries of the international banking cabal. Power consolidated by a governing centralized authority in control of all the world's wealth, natural resources, and property.

I'm not a capitalist apologist. By identifying communists as an enemy I am by no means promoting capitalism. These people are communists. This financial ultra-capitalism is a veiled form of communism in a transitionary period.

Politically, the so-called conservative parties are anything but. They blab on about religious dogma they don't really believe in while being mouthpieces for these corporations. Neoconservatives are communists. They are the flipside of the same coin as the so-called left. These liberal types are mostly communists, they are not shy admitting it. We've seen communism in practice already. It failed. It failed in Cuba, it failed in Africa, and it failed badly in Eastern Europe/Asia. China is only superficially communism today, kind of like Russia in the 80s. Many of the former communists and their stooges defected to the West and have infiltrated and now have control over it. McCarthyism is treated as a joke even though it was not a baseless witch hunt. Nearly all of the accused turned out to be communists.

Why would anybody want to advocate a system responsible for more deaths than any other point in history? A system that failed badly. I don't understand why you guys want to give it another chance or take offense when communism is attacked. It deserves to be. It is the philosophy of psychopaths. Marx was a psychopath, Mao was a psychopath, Trotsky was a psychopath, Che "I must confess, I like killing people" Guevara was definitely a psychopath.

Communism has a a bloody history of failure. It will never work and it is suicide to support it. The West and been subverted by a heavy communist influence. They are the enemy. The end game of globalization is a communist world. One homogenous hive-mind consumerist slave class to a small Orwellian governing elite where people with natural talents and gifts are handicapped to the level of society's losers. Why would anybody want that?

The mainstream media now consists almost entirely of liberal leftist viewpoints, often cleverly disguissed, where all other views are now looked upon as being fringe movements, or 'old fashioned' hung up or bigoted. Most politicians now even adopt or support Marxist ideas, even though many won't openly admit it. These self appointed leaders (control freaks) think somehow they are well suited to solve the crises that their own policies created in the first place. As the liberal media see it, the debate is now over, the world is being directed towards their 'utopian dream' and there is no going back. There is only going forward, or what they call "forward" or ''progress'' toward the hardcore communism of the past. I'm not saying everybody who leans to the liberal left is a bad person, far from it, it's a little more complex than that in reality. It's more really that some of them who are anti-capitalists (and perhaps for a very good reason) are being co-opted by the transitional stage (the move from capitalism towards an authoritarian world socialism) aka communism. I personally don't like the sound of any isms. The liberal media and it's thuggish assault on liberty conveniently leave out the executions and gulags that communism was responsible for, instead we just hear about change for the better. Yes change we can all believe in, right Journalists who find Stalin and Mao, and every other communist tyrant acceptable because these journalists share the same ideology. These Marxoids who now dominate the mainstream media, all share the conviction that professional journalism is the arm of social transformation, and not the passing on of important information to the public... unwavering in their support of liberal leftist ideas they call ''progress''. Thus, bias reporting is an acceptable means to their ends.

[himitsunomiko]

OP reeks of Tea Party buzz words.

[inversedivinity]

I agree with the TED talk must fools over on the tube didn't comprehend it correctly. But your right she is so right wing it's not even funny, Waiting for every opportunity to do some sniping. Crypto.

[believenothing]

Originally Posted by resistance

The mainstream media now consists almost entirely of liberal leftist viewpoints, often cleverly disguissed, where all other views are now looked upon as being fringe movements, or 'old fashioned' hung up or bigoted. Most politicians now even adopt or support Marxist ideas, even though many won't openly admit it. These self appointed leaders (control freaks) think somehow they are well suited to solve the crises that their own policies created in the first place. As the liberal media see it, the debate is now over, the world is being directed towards their 'utopian dream' and there is no going back. There is only going forward, or what they call "forward" or ''progress'' toward the hardcore communism of the past. I'm not saying everybody who leans to the liberal left is a bad person, far from it, it's a little more complex than that in reality. It's more really that some of them who are anti-capitalists (and perhaps for a very good reason) are being co-opted by the transitional stage (the move from capitalism towards an authoritarian world socialism) aka communism. I personally don't like the sound of any isms. The liberal media and it's thuggish assault on liberty conveniently leave out the executions and gulags that communism was responsible for, instead we just hear about change for the better. Yes change we can all believe in, right Journalists who find Stalin and Mao, and every other communist tyrant acceptable because these journalists share the same ideology. These Marxoids who now dominate the mainstream media, all share the conviction that professional journalism is the arm of social transformation, and not the passing on of important information to the public... unwavering in their support of liberal leftist ideas they call ''progress''. Thus, bias reporting is an acceptable means to their ends.

That's what I think it is. Gullible useful idiots who haven't had the time (or a reason) to think for themselves about the bigger picture. They see how capitalism has been corrupted into corporatism and how all the rich pigs behind it are also the biggest contributors to warfare, pursuing a globalization agenda which involves destroying non-Western regimes and controlling their resources.

Naturally one would expect the middle class to be opposed to this so they embrace the so-called universalist values among the left. Even if they see problems among the left, they consider it the lesser of two evils. They see the right as either the ones primarily responsible for the corporate war machine hell bent on globalizing the planet or uneducated Nazi bigots.

The truth is the leaders among the left are just as big of advocates of corporatism, warfare, and globalization because they need to be in order to consolidate power into a communist global government. Corporatist capitalism is communism. Probably sometime around the 50s onward, the Stalinist and Maoist rejects and apologists made a deal with the banksters and their cronies. They work off each other towards the same agenda the only difference between the sides is one is vying for control over the other.

In order for the liberal agenda to succeed, they need to silence their opposition. That's one of the reasons for all the bloodshed. You can't sell a one-sided universalist ideology without opposition from the other side. The best way to silence the other side is to kill them. These big brother government surveillance and security can and will (and have been) be used to silence dissent under the umbrella of terrorism. The MSM pushes the liberal agenda and the public schools brainwash the youth in it.

The left is all about liberalism, egalitarianism, humanism, and universalism. The problem is the left is one side opposed to the right (and vice versa). A one-sided solution is incompatible with the other side, you can never sell a universalist model leaning toward one side at the expense of the other.

[resistance]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

OP reeks of Tea Party buzz words.

The chances are we've all picked up buzz words from the various sources we've read or people we talk with that help form or sharpen our own views. I'm not a great supporter of the tea party movement, because i know how easily these various grass roots movements become co-opted into controlled opposition. That's if the tea party was a grass movement in the first place? It may well have been set up from the top down, I'm not convinced either way tbh. Nevertheless that doesn't mean to say there won't be good people involved within these various political movements. The trouble is everything gets co-opted too easily by the usual suspects.

[himitsunomiko]

Originally Posted by resistance

The chances are we've all picked up buzz words from the various sources we've read or people we talk with that help form or sharpen our own views. I'm not a great supporter of the tea party movement, because i know how easily these various grass roots movements become co-opted into controlled opposition. That's if the tea party was a grass movement in the first place? It may well have been set up from the top down, I'm not convinced either way tbh. Nevertheless that doesn't mean to say there won't be good people involved within these various political movements. The trouble is everything gets co-opted too easily by the usual suspects.

That's a whole lot of words to say practically nothing at all

[resistance]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

That's a whole lot of words to say practically nothing at all

In your first post you said my OP reeks of Tea Party buzz words, right. Meaning I guess you were insinuating i'm just another tea party goer who shouldn't be taken seriously. I then expained I have no affiliations with the tea party movement. So what are you talking about This little conversation of ours seems to be going nowhere. Any chance of making yourself a bit clearer and adding to the thread? Rather than dropping innuendos and one liners directed at me.

[resistance]

Originally Posted by believenothing

That's what I think it is. Gullible useful idiots who haven't had the time (or a reason) to think for themselves about the bigger picture. They see how capitalism has been corrupted into corporatism and how all the rich pigs behind it are also the biggest contributors to warfare, pursuing a globalization agenda which involves destroying non-Western regimes and controlling their resources.

Naturally one would expect the middle class to be opposed to this so they embrace the so-called universalist values among the left. Even if they see problems among the left, they consider it the lesser of two evils. They see the right as either the ones primarily responsible for the corporate war machine hell bent on globalizing the planet or uneducated Nazi bigots.

The truth is the leaders among the left are just as big of advocates of corporatism, warfare, and globalization because they need to be in order to consolidate power into a communist global government. Corporatist capitalism is communism. Probably sometime around the 50s onward, the Stalinist and Maoist rejects and apologists made a deal with the banksters and their cronies. They work off each other towards the same agenda the only difference between the sides is one is vying for control over the other.

In order for the liberal agenda to succeed, they need to silence their opposition. That's one of the reasons for all the bloodshed. You can't sell a one-sided universalist ideology without opposition from the other side. The best way to silence the other side is to kill them. These big brother government surveillance and security can and will (and have been) be used to silence dissent under the umbrella of terrorism. The MSM pushes the liberal agenda and the public schools brainwash the youth in it.

The left is all about liberalism, egalitarianism, humanism, and universalism. The problem is the left is one side opposed to the right (and vice versa). A one-sided solution is incompatible with the other side, you can never sell a universalist model leaning toward one side at the expense of the other.

Absolutely spot on bn.

[believenothing]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

That's a whole lot of words to say practically nothing at all

What's to be confused about? The Tea Party movement was initially started by well-meaning people calling for adherence to the constitution and the limit of big government and big spending along with and audit of the FED, among other things.

After gaining traction and viral influence, it got hijacked and eventually abused by 'conservative' politicians looking for support through it which is why it has a bad name. It didn't start that way, it wound up that way.

[himitsunomiko]

Originally Posted by believenothing

What's to be confused about? The Tea Party movement was initially started by well-meaning people calling for adherence to the constitution and the limit of big government and big spending along with and audit of the FED, among other things.

After gaining traction and viral influence, it got hijacked and eventually abused by 'conservative' politicians looking for support through it which is why it has a bad name. It didn't start that way, it wound up that way.

Ron Paul and the Koch Brothers are not well meaning people.

[resistance]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

Ron Paul and the Koch Brothers are not well meaning people.

You may be right? A part of me likes Ron Paul, but then he's a politician and I don't trust any of them tbh. Perhaps more important is how dissent gets funneled into supporting dead ends. Meaning, I don't think they'll ever allow somebody like Ron Paul in the white house anyway, mainly because they tptb have to be 100% sure about the person they put in there. So we have a huge percentage of the opposition and tea party movement effectively nutralised, supporting somebody who will almost certainly never be elected anyway, thus rendering them useless. I'm sure Ron Paul himself will almost certainly be aware of this, but to what extent if any he's complicit in this scam is anybodies guess.

[tenzingnorgay]

Originally Posted by himitsunomiko

Ron Paul and the Koch Brothers are not well meaning people.

Ron Paul seems to be.

I don't know the Koch brothers very well and assume they are pretty standard republicans, but even so they have done some good things including their efforts to kill obamacare.

[sniper13x]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

Ron Paul seems to be.

I don't know the Koch brothers very well and assume they are pretty standard republicans, but even so they have done some good things including their efforts to kill obamacare.

Those things may be true, but a George Soros funded website said the Koch brothers were evil and destroying the planet so it must be true. I also read on the internet that Ron Paul was a freemason, so we should ignore the 30 years of his political life because he is now evil incarnate...

It so amuses me when the idiots sitting on both sides of the political scale argue yet they never realize its the same people pulling the strings. Perfect example: The idiots who say "its big oil who says global warming isn't true" while never realizing that the same people behind the stupid "green movement" are the ones who own the damn oil companies. Its too much to handle sometimes.

[parenthesis]

It's funny to me that "left" usually only refers to controlled economy, whereas "right" refers to authoritarian. Sometimes "left" is correlated to liberty somehow. Yes, Stalin was all about liberty.

You can't define ideologies on a single scale like that. Hitler and Stalin were both economic leftists, if that means central planning, rationing, controlled economy.

There are no "right" wing economies. Central banking, subsidies, bailouts...central planning/corporate fascism. Free market is really the ideology that is never implemented because the state puts their foot down right in the middle of it, and the state is typically controlled by the elitists, so there's no turning back.

Elites do not like "free markets"...they prefer controlling the market through the government.

There are no economic right wingers except the ignored Austrians, and there are no liberals (socially south on compass) except ignored libertarians. As far as I'm concerned, each government is in the upper-left quadrant of a political compass.

[tenzingnorgay]

I was worried until he assured us there is no bias.

"Stephanopoulos: No Bias in Media

MRCTV's Joe Schoffstall ran into "Good Morning America" host George Stephanopoulos at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida. When asked if he believes there is a liberal bias in the media, he responds,"I don't." When asked again, he walks away."

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...s-In-The-Media

[sniper13x]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

I was worried until he assured us there is no bias.

"Stephanopoulos: No Bias in Media

MRCTV's Joe Schoffstall ran into "Good Morning America" host George Stephanopoulos at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida. When asked if he believes there is a liberal bias in the media, he responds,"I don't." When asked again, he walks away."

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...s-In-The-Media

Of course there is a liberal media bias, but not because they are choosing sides. Both sides are the same shit, just the left leads you to communism through socialism which works best for the masses and the right leads you to communism through corporate/governmental control which works best for a smaller portion of the population. The conclusion both parties are leading us to is the same though, communist control by a handful of people.

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

you are exactly wrong.
the corporations own the government.

the real enemies of humanity are huge multi-national corporations that control the government.
your fear of communism and all your protestations are enabling them further.
you and your fellows are the useful idiots that have your perceptions focused exactly wrong.
obama is not a communist. he is a corporate whore doing the bidding of his corporate masters.
while you are yelling "COMMUNISTS!!", consumerism and unbridled corporatism have stolen the world.

Obama's real dad, Frank Marshall Davis was a communist revolutionary and Obama worships Saul Alinsky

In his 1971 book called Rules for Radicals, Alinsky scolded the Sixties Left for scaring off potential converts in Middle America. True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within.

David Cameron is also a Marxist Communitarian cunt and worships Alinsky

[zephiloyd]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

when all the dust settles, people of the future will know that corporate capitalism was the greatest killer by far.
it is an ongoing massacre whose numbers will add up quickly.

No they wont, they will know that its the fuckers that ruled over us that were the problem, the global elite sitting at the top in secret controlling Capitalism and Socialism. If people continue pointing at Capitalism the elite will never get imprisoned. The elite want people fighting between Capitalism and Socialism that way the pitch forks wont be directed at them.

[pi3141]

The radical left hijacking the truth movement?

Not sure, I've noticed a lot of right wing nazi types more than I've noticed left wing liberals - maybe they just stand out more to my mind.

Originally Posted by toallofyou

Personally I'd be more wary of people who promote intolerance, hate, and the left-right paradigm.

Well said toallofyou, I totally agree.