Ayrton Senna...murdered

[leon11]

Im a little late with the anniversary but the recent movie about his life has sparked my interest.

There are many, many interesting aspects to his story and events surrounding his death.

would love to know why....like, who did he piss off?!...did schumacher and jackie stewart get together?! he also had a long running rivalry with his own teammate. who knows. The FIA seemed to have it in for him though.

racing enthusiasts generally concur that crashes like senna's fatal one just should not happen. they say Senna's steering definitely and suddenly failed and was completely unresponsive (conveniently on one of the fastest corners, where there is a wall very close to the outside). He went straight into the wall at 130mph .

It was a freak accident which left no single bone in his body broken, but he died from head injuries caused by 'head hitting headrest' and, from what I can tell...2 seperate pieces of debris (namely piece of wheel upright and a tie rod) piercing his helmet and visor..?

Someone else died at the start of that racing weekend (initials RR) and Senna was so concerned he climbed a safety fence and 'commandeered' an inspectors vehicle to view the crash site. Did he have in inkling something wasnt right...?
Senna carried the flag of this man's nation, in his honour...

Before this weekend, no-one had died in F1 for 12 years (before this they averaged one every couple of years). Safety standards had improved dramatically (but also all electronic...and controllable right?)

The race was the 3rd of the season, after his home country Brazil...and the first race of the season to be held in Europe. Seems it could be a statement to me....

The race was also on May day.....1st May 1994

Senna was a master driver and it seems they used a variety of methods to make sure the job would be done. His front left tire was flat, the steering failed (and perhaps even the brakes?)....and a crash which broke no bone in his body ended up killing him (instantly?).

The black box from the car 'went missing', and was then retrieved but minus the crucial telemetry data!

Court cases ensued for eleven years, as too many people could see something was not right. Medical and F1 staff conspired to keep Senna's (and RR's) status a secret until the race was finished (as to avoid certain Italian laws and remove evidence imo).

I think there could have been something inside Senna's helmet which caused his death. Some say he died instantly, and there was so much blood running down his neck that it filled up the foot well.
The type of head injury which killed both drivers I believe, is usually consistant with instant deaths - going against the official verdict.
Its possible they did the public resuscitation thing for all the cameras, and then whisked him away after theyd got their photo op.

anyone charged after all these court cases was cleared, but im sure lots of lawyers got very rich.

[leon11]

size of entrance holes on helment not consistent with the supposed suspension part which caused the damage..

aside from something being inside the helmet, its also possible they attached a device inside the cockpit which couldnt really miss...

hmm

[leon11]

from another thread here...

- The special significance of "Beltane" when Senna died, was the numeric configeration of that particular day, which was an 11/2 Master Number date! It can only occur once every 9 years that May 1st becomes an 11/2 configeration.

1st May 1994 =

(1) + (5) + (1+9+9+4)

1 + 5 + (23)5 = 11/2.

- On 1st May 2003 - U.S President George W. Bush used May 1st to announce the End of Major Combat Operations in Iraq, aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln off the coast of California.




It was also a porsche 911 pace car which critically cooled Senna's tires down the lap before the crash

and a helicopter bearing 11 8 which took him away

[leon11]

youtube comments:

F1 is so crooked it's disgusting. The reports from a doc or something, he said he knew Senna was not going to make it right after he saw him, because of how his pupils were dilatated or something that pointed to an extreme blood loss. Yet FIA kept it going pretending it was all right. Fucking disgrace


The steering column point. Both senna's and Hill's cars had their columns modified at the start of the season. Hill's never faulted at any point and if Senna's was faulty then for it to snap on a curve like tamburello is very odd considering the lack of stress upon the wheel compared to other corners at Imola, Aida and Interlagos.


Wow. What are all of you discussing steering column extensions for? Is it not clear that this vertical movement of the yellow dot as explained by Natgeo to be normal, is total BS? You see it in NO other footage any other identical Williams car racing. Just that pathetic "made for the trial" video? 1000% the only way for such a car to veer off the track at Tamburello was if there was mechanical failure. Pure and simple. Williams killed Senna. I still can't believe they didn't cancel the race...

[leon11]

the black box was handed in 1 month after the crash. the box contains 20 microchips, and 2 of them were unreadable.

Apparently these 2 chips happened to be the 2 that contained the final crucial data




the steering column also seemingly broke and and thus controls failed at the EXACT moment that would have taken him off the track fast enough to hit the wall...


and nothing in this story adds up :/

poor bastard.

what is it they have against wild racing drivers?! (colin mccrae anyone?)

[sniper13x]

I'll bite. I've heard the same from people who follow the sport. My parents are from Brazil and I know everyone in that country was suspicious of his death. He definitely had enemies. From what i've been told, they didn't seem to like him winning. They sabotaged him many times, changing rules to make it harder for him to win etc.

I hear the movie is great, thank you for remind me to watch it.

[dawnuk]

Yeh I thought there was sommat not right tbh....

it was a very convenient... erm....accident?

F1 like most things in life, is probably bent. Far too much money involved....

[dawnuk]

also iirc...it was a long time ago now...but...

wasn't he dead before he got to the corner? something had fallen off another car and basically shot him in his head?

hence the not steering round the corner.....and hitting the wall....

[diamond dogs]

I am glad this has been mentioned as I heard an interesting theory last year from an unlikely source regarding the death of Ayrton Senna that he died from a gunshot wound to his head.

The guy that I spoke to had been an ardent fan for many years of F1, which I am not, and well travelled on the F1 circuit and had met someone that had told him about the assasination.. he went on to to say that it was a Brazilian mafia hit linked to the gambling debts of his father? I haven't watched a race in years although I used to live near to Silverstone and occasionally had to call there in my line of work.

I have no interest in F1 whatsoever but I do remember the incident when probably the greatest ever F1 driver drove straight into a brick wall..

To clarify this I made a posting at the time http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...ighlight=senna
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[dawnuk]

F1 has never been the same since Nigel Mansell retired!

[rakkoo]

I think people will make conspiracy out of anything these days,

they are two a penny now,

oh look a doughnut, its the Hole, its the Hole, the government wants to fill the hole.

[thommo]

Wasn't there an identical crash at the same place on the same day with another driver? It was soooo long ago I can't remember, but I'm sure ES wasn't the only crash there that day.

[martg]

It was an accident
The delayed start led to lower tyre pressures which in turn led to lower ride heights.
As he went through the fastest part of the circuit, the downforce forced the car to bottom out on the plank and caused the car to understeer into the wall.

When he hit the wall the front right wheel came off and came up and over the car hitting Senna on the head in the process and breaking his neck.

That is EXACTLY what happened, if you're going to murder someone I think there are simpler ways

[leon11]

Originally Posted by martg

It was an accident
The delayed start led to lower tyre pressures which in turn led to lower ride heights.
As he went through the fastest part of the circuit, the downforce forced the car to bottom out on the plank and caused the car to understeer into the wall.

When he hit the wall the front right wheel came off and came up and over the car hitting Senna on the head in the process and breaking his neck.

That is EXACTLY what happened, if you're going to murder someone I think there are simpler ways

Not buying it for a second my friend. You see on the in-car video senna was practically at FULL LEFT TURN on the steering wheel yet there was ZERO turning of the wheels. This is basically what the 11 year court case was about. I believe the prosecution was arguing the steering column DETACHED mid-corner.

The black box apparently recorded Senna had his foot FLAT ON THE BRAKE until the recording cut out, but we see ZERO slowing down of the car, or any wheel lock.

This moment of complete car failure is also far, far too convenient. There is a car struggling to perform under heavy stress, and then there is complete failure of controls. 2 different things.

And he didn't die from a broken neck.....2 seperate pieces of debris from the suspension supposedly went through his helmet and visor like bullets, and mclaren argue the death was from his head hitting the side of the cockpit (resulting in the fractured skull and brain damage).

Senna was a master driver and a veteran at keeping the car under control during extreme pressures, and past what they were designed to do. This was his whole style of driving. And he very very rarely fucked up. Especially in his final years. And even if he wasnt that good, accidents like this never happen!

And yes ofcourse there are easier ways to kill a man, but you should know there are certain influential people out there that love the ritual and setting of it all. Is there not an easier way to demolish 2 buildings, and start a war?

He was killed on the first European race of the season, in Italy - the 'real' start of the F1 season to some, after the Brazil race (his homecountry). The race was on May day! The most notorious day for those with satanic tendencies right?!, and the number one day of the year for human sacrifice!!
And this is just the tip of the iceberg!!

Seriously, certain 'conspiracy theories' get a hard time...but who is really burying their head in the sand and defending a belief system here?!?!

sarcastic smileys

[leon11]

Originally Posted by thommo

Wasn't there an identical crash at the same place on the same day with another driver? It was soooo long ago I can't remember, but I'm sure ES wasn't the only crash there that day.

yeah as I described above, there was another driver who died that weekend in another freak accident. No one had died in the sport for 12 years previous too that, as safety standards had much improved.

It was almost like they were calibrating their equipment on the first guy or something :/

[leon11]

Originally Posted by rakkoo

I think people will make conspiracy out of anything these days,

they are two a penny now,

oh look a doughnut, its the Hole, its the Hole, the government wants to fill the hole.

everyone wants to fill the hole

[leon11]

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