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Old 07-08-2012, 01:55 PM   #21
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If they are truthers. We're constantly told how tptb infilitrate every group to control from the inside. Why would the truth community be any different?

What you're saying is totally correct. The conspiracy and evidence has to be there first for there to then be truthers who spot it all, but how do we know who those who rise to the top are really working for? The word sheeple is so popular amongst some but many I see in the truth community are still sheep in the way they follow their gurus.





Those who rise to the top of many organisations appear to be `puppets` of the elite.
A good example is the MSN media.
When the Shah of Iran was asked about this topic, he said `there are those who have their people inside the press` - but he made a point of saying that he wasnt inferring it included all of the ppl who worked there.

Same can be said regards govt. GB (for eg) was clearly a zionist (and so probably too is DC) but it doesnt mean all of the MPs are.
Another eg here being on the subject of Europe.... there are several MEPs who are against it. So yep its just a case of there being those who have infiltrated or perhaps shall we say: `been put in those positions in order to further a certain agenda`


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Old 07-08-2012, 02:25 PM   #22
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Ian Crane's facebook has become uncomfortable to watch now. It's getting desparate and the people posting on his threads have a very clear anti-semitic agenda.
Ian R Crane, from a very promising beginning has become a bit of a joke now...

His whole mass population reduction presentation about the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster was just absolute bollocks. He's a huge ego...like many involved.

These dudes just jump on ANY news story, bend facts to fit their twisted logic, then do the 'conference' circuit peddling it to anyone stupid enough to listen.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:35 PM   #23
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Ian R Crane, from a very promising beginning has become a bit of a joke now...

His whole mass population reduction presentation about the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster was just absolute bollocks. He's a huge ego...like many involved.

These dudes just jump on ANY news story, bend facts to fit their twisted logic, then do the 'conference' circuit peddling it to anyone stupid enough to listen.





FACT is though population reduction has been openly spoken about by much bigger people than Ian R.Crane, & it forms part of `the elite`s` main agenda.Therefore why do we not think that `the elite` could also further that agenda by doing a `false flag` on either the main OG or the paralympics ?

Granted, from their point of view, 13,000 deaths might not seem much but to us they do. Plus if a `false flag` is used to then start another war, look how many innocent ppl would die on all sides.

I dont personally believe in shooting the messengers, albeit no one messenger is going to get everything right. People are only trying to do their best, and regards the OG people are genuinely concerned.

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Old 07-08-2012, 02:37 PM   #24
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Ian R Crane, from a very promising beginning has become a bit of a joke now...

His whole mass population reduction presentation about the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster was just absolute bollocks. He's a huge ego...like many involved.

These dudes just jump on ANY news story, bend facts to fit their twisted logic, then do the 'conference' circuit peddling it to anyone stupid enough to listen.
One way I've found to spot them is to watch what they post about. One example, Thomas Sheridan aka Psychopath Guy. He posts about all sorts of stuff from his life as well as his work on psychopaths. It shows he's a rounded individual with normal concerns and interests. Ian Crane only ever reposts things that match his agenda. There's no 'real' content that shows he's a person.

I don't mean to pick on him btw, it's just he's the main one I see going on about the olympics and the people who follow him are clearly right wingers. While I'm defaming people... the whole group of people like Gerrish who talk about Common Purpose are the same. As are a lot of the Freeman people. They're deeply right wing when you scratch the surface. It's like talking about alternative subjects is just a way for them to get our attention then it's all about "family values" a code word for slating homosexuals, single parents etc and "Those jews".

We are infiltrated, there's no question. Fortunately we have decent 'teachers' like David and Tsarion who constantly remind us to question everything, to check out their claims and to not just blindly believe.
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:43 PM   #25
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FACT is though population reduction has been openly spoken about by much bigger people than Ian R.Crane, & it forms part of `the elite`s` main agenda.Therefore why do we not think that `the elite` could also further that agenda by doing a `false flag` on either the main OG or the paralympics ?

Granted, from their point of view, 13,000 deaths might not seem much but to us they do. Plus if a `false flag` is used to then start another war, look how many innocent ppl would die on all sides.

I dont personally believe in shooting the messengers, albeit no one messenger is going to get everything right. People are only trying to do their best, and regards the OG people are genuinely concerned.

Could do with some population reduction in the truth community...
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:13 PM   #26
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Ian Crane's facebook has become uncomfortable to watch now. It's getting desparate and the people posting on his threads have a very clear anti-semitic agenda. Comments end with things like, "evil jew bastards" and the kind of base angry language that you don't generally see from truly 'awake' people. As you say, it's all base chakra energy.



There's a subtle difference between Material and Physical. Material makes me think of Raw Material. Something that can be used and manipulated to create something man-made that will allow you to alter the physical. The physical simply 'is'.

Herne is all about nature and wild places, very few of which exist anymore. Satan is about the material and service to self. Cutting down the wild places for industry etc. Living apart from nature. He was created to scare us away from nature and the harmony with it you get with Herne. The changes are very subtle which is how it works.

I have no idea about Enki. I think it's widely accepted now that Sitchin wasn't on our side at all and propogated disinfo. The Enki in the stories sounds like an actual physical being of some description rather than a
'god' or non-physical being.
'Is' = Isis, the material world, the illusion. Mater, maternal, material as opposed to spiritual.
Ma-sons.

No I think Enki and Enlil represent the two hemispheres of the brain or the pituitary and pineal, or the Sun and the Moon. Black and white etc..
Yes I know Stitchin is a bit off somehow but I do think so much of this is just allegory. So many stories contain what people would think of real beings like Horus and Set but are they? Or maybe they are both?
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:21 PM   #27
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Headline: "The Opening Ceremony Was a Satanic Illuminati Occult Ritual and Other Olympic Conspiracy Theories"

I'll spare you the citation and just provide a link. This of course is coming from the king of sensationalist internet "alternative news" sources (more like mainstream crap repackaged with a shiny, trendy coat of paint), Gawker Media. I myself don't know what to make of all the theories, but tend to gravitate towards Matthew Delooze's notion that big events like this are mainly just used to vampire people's emotional energy. A few of the commenters are dismissive of the article and provide some good informative links, but the majority jump on the bandwagon with the point-and-laugh tone of the article. *sigh*

http://gawker.com/5932219/the-openin...iracy-theories

He's dismissive in his article but gives great publicity to all the conspiracies that people might not have known about. I'd say he's working for our side.
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Old 07-08-2012, 07:13 PM   #28
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Gawker itself is a piece of shit network that is becoming more irrelevant by the day, especially after last year's redesign. Gizmodo is read by no-one. The fucks managed to get hacked and leaked millions of emails / passwords (which weren't even encrypted, *I think*).

tl;dr Fuck Gawker.
LOL. Come on now. I read Giz, that's the only reason I even noticed this article... when the Gawker logo at the bottom had a huge pentagram with the olympic rings, it sure perked my ears up!

Sure, their site management and commenting system my not be up to par, but you can still find some good info on some of the sub-sites. I like Gizmodo because it's just so goofy. The writers only care *just enough* to keep their jobs, and post all kinds of ridiculous stuff they know will make the comments blow up. I also like Jalopnik, as it's very informative but also an entertaining read.

Anyway, I'm reminded of something Rik Clay said toward the end of his last interview, (paraphrasing here) that negativity and tragedy are necessary to move things forward. Without it there is no progress. So there will always be naysayers, but it will only push us to dig deeper.
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Old 07-08-2012, 08:16 PM   #29
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Yeah, my first thought on seeing this thread was "what/who the **** is Gawker?"
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Never heard of him.... who is he?
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:17 PM   #30
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I don't mean to pick on him btw, it's just he's the main one I see going on about the olympics and the people who follow him are clearly right wingers. While I'm defaming people... the whole group of people like Gerrish who talk about Common Purpose are the same. As are a lot of the Freeman people. They're deeply right wing when you scratch the surface.
The right/left paradigm is fake, Gerrish and Crane know it, don't pigeonhole people.

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code word? says who? You sound like the Guardian newspaper.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:26 PM   #31
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My opinion is that the core of the elites are satanic. Whether that really means anything in a metaphysical sense is open to debate of course.
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:01 AM   #32
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The right/left paradigm is fake, Gerrish and Crane know it, don't pigeonhole people.
All the politicians know it's fake but does that stop them using it? I'm not pigeonholing anyone, just sharing my opinion.


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code word? says who? You sound like the Guardian newspaper.
All the videos I've seen of him give me that impression. It's just what I pick up from the words used, the topics used, the manner of speaking and the way they present themselves. It all stinks of far right disguising itself for a new audience. The main Freeman people are the same. Again, just my opinion.

Thanks for saying I sound like the Guardian and not the Daily Mail. Appreciate that.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:37 PM   #33
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One way I've found to spot them is to watch what they post about. One example, Thomas Sheridan aka Psychopath Guy. He posts about all sorts of stuff from his life as well as his work on psychopaths. It shows he's a rounded individual with normal concerns and interests. Ian Crane only ever reposts things that match his agenda. There's no 'real' content that shows he's a person.

I don't mean to pick on him btw, it's just he's the main one I see going on about the olympics and the people who follow him are clearly right wingers. While I'm defaming people... the whole group of people like Gerrish who talk about Common Purpose are the same. As are a lot of the Freeman people. They're deeply right wing when you scratch the surface. It's like talking about alternative subjects is just a way for them to get our attention then it's all about "family values" a code word for slating homosexuals, single parents etc and "Those jews".

We are infiltrated, there's no question. Fortunately we have decent 'teachers' like David and Tsarion who constantly remind us to question everything, to check out their claims and to not just blindly believe.

Craney and the Olympic hype will go down as a low point within this movement. I have no idea why he pushed this obvious bollocks when he has a lot of other good ideas. David Wilcock's Janpanese mafia take down of the Illuminati was his last roll of the dice too. He is particulary pathetic at this point in time.

Sheridan, David and Tsarion are it for me now. I suspect that after 2012 when nothing happens these three will be the only ones left standing with any cred among the conspiratainment world. I agree that Sheridan's eh, "normality" is what is so likeable. He comes out and calls things like 2012 bullshit and was calling Charlie Vietch a phony before anyone else did. Having met the chap he is lovely in real life too. He has the personality of David. with the intellect and research of Tsarion.

The movement needs an enema, but I'll stick with these guys.

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