Evidence of validity of freeman claims - Page 9

bluegrazz · 08-07-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jimrob

That's a fair point. But I just won't go through life being scared the sky is going to fall on my head

-Me neither.

I just op to try to change the Laws from within the system to benefit me the most. Rather than just ignoring the law or saying it doesnt apply to me- I bitch about the stupid law and TRY to change it.

-Sometimes it works, often it doesnt.

I still live my life how I wish but know If caught I face repercussions (i.e. I am a Speed Demon on the Highway and regularly drive 20 MPH above the speed limit)- If caught I know I will pay. I try not to get caught

jimrob · 08-07-2012, 08:02 PM

Yeah I totally agree.

As with most people on here for me Menard is so much about getting one over on the system, getting something for nothing, that he is not an example to follow or someone to aspire to be.

For me it is about assuming responsibility for myself and my own actions. I stand on my own two feet and I like to think most of humanity would too, if only they could get the government off their backs.

My experience of government is that they are more than happy to have a free ride on the backs of honest hard working people, and that is why I oppose them at every opportunity.

jimrob · 08-07-2012, 08:16 PM

And just to prove that I do uphold those laws which do deal with morality here is one of the many thieves that I have given up my time to help prosecute.

http://www.jerseylaw.je/Judgments/Un...-Tarau_228.htm

undeadcreature · 08-07-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bluegrazz

I agree- But many folks are not sane- Many are 16 years old and "bullet proof". You and I both know that the mean average of the populace is quite stupid. I understand your argument and many speed limits are pointless and ARE for control (but many are for safety reasons since many folks are not as capable of reasoning as we are)

Thats a big problem (for me) with FMOTL- I grew up in a rural area where drag and street racing was quite common. So was drinking and driving (rural backroads were party spots for us)- Lost a few friends because of this... If there were no road laws whatsoever do you think people would not Drag Race and drive smashed? At least now there are repercussions.

Note: I also think the drunk driving limit is ridiculous. Far too low of a BAC (1 beer and I blow impaired) but the answer is to get some common sense to our laws and not just scratch any law whatsoever.

Personally, I think the alcohol limit in the UK is too high. An ex-friend of mine ran his car into a ditch after clipping an on comming car. He was notorious for driving after having a drink and wrote off quite a few cars. When the police arrived, he got breathalysed and, despite being visibly pissed, only blew about 25 which meant he couldn't be arrested for drunk driving. Instead he was charged with driving without due care and attention.

bluegrazz · 08-07-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by undeadcreature

Personally, I think the alcohol limit in the UK is too high. An ex-friend of mine ran his car into a ditch after clipping an on comming car. He was notorious for driving after having a drink and wrote off quite a few cars. When the police arrived, he got breathalysed and, despite being visibly pissed, only blew about 25 which meant he couldn't be arrested for drunk driving. Instead he was charged with driving without due care and attention.

Here in the USA it goes State to State. Right now I would blow impaired after a bit over one 12 oz. Beer. They have changed the mantra to "Buzzed driving IS drunk driving" and the penalty is the same for me with 1 beer and someone who is really impaired- Then they added a "SUPER DRUNK" driving charge for the totally drunk.

I too am opposed to drunk driving but since this new limit was enacted I know far too many responsible people who had a drink or two and ended up on probation and fined to the tune of Thousands of Dollars. Fortunately I live Downtown and can walk to many Bars and Clubs.

Interestingly enough my County offers free rides (paid with taxes) for anyone on New Years eve to go ANYWHERE in the County- The calculations I have seen show that we actually save money that way.Currently I would like to see this enacted every weekend rather than all the Police overtime which costs more and ends up in far too many prosecutions for stupid things (because bored cops are bored.)

arayder · 09-07-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by arayder

. . .the “immorality high horse” is so often laughingly trotted out by freemen when they are confronted with mere parking tickets, speeding violations, and local taxes.

That, indeed, is how this thread started.

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Originally Posted by jimrob

By what right does government have to dictate where I park, what speed I drive at, or if I wear a seatbelt?

None of those are 'moral questions' that is simply an arbitrary decision which under the principal of subsidiarity should be determined by each individual for themselves.

Every human makes choices and those choices lead to consequences, it is government interfering in the natural order and protecting people from their own stupidity which continues the stupidity and, in fact, makes it worse.

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Originally Posted by bluegrazz

Your right- You should drive 100mph in front of a school and then park right in the middle of the road around a blind corner.

Stupid guv'ment cant tell YOU what to do.

Indeed one role of government is to help ensure safety on the public highways.

While jimrob may well be able to control himself while driving, or otherwise out in the world we know from experience that there is a significant number of people in the world who can’t.

I maintain that risking the lives of others by driving wildly or drunk and parking in a parking space reserved for the disabled so some little old lady on a walker has to struggle in from a space 50 yards away is immoral.

While it is certain that laws and speed limit signs won’t control the most irresponsible among us fines, tickets, arrest and car impoundment will control may folks.

jon galt · 09-07-2012, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jimrob

And just to prove that I do uphold those laws which do deal with morality here is one of the many thieves that I have given up my time to help prosecute.

http://www.jerseylaw.je/Judgments/Un...-Tarau_228.htm

Off topic, but thanks for the link, very useful for my studies. does any one have any more links to pre sentencing reports considering mitigation and how it should be applied by a judge. if it helps from the perspective of a defense lawyer calculating what sentence the defendant will get. tnx again. pm if you want to save forum space.

johnbc · 10-07-2012, 09:21 PM

Hey guys,

Good to see this thread has moved on and gotten more input.

I have to be honest. I thought of another possible reason for my parking ticket getting dismissed.

I'm pretty sure it was a public holiday. A Monday which for some reason I thought was Sunday. I guess maybe I could have gotten some leniency because of that. Maybe someone knows more on this. The sign definitely was Mon-Fri, no parking.

As for what I said I would do on this forum, please copy and paste instead of making stuff up.

And to those people who seem to think they know me, keep guessing.

jon galt · 10-07-2012, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by johnbc

Hey guys,

Good to see this thread has moved on and gotten more input.

I have to be honest. I thought of another possible reason for my parking ticket getting dismissed.

I'm pretty sure it was a public holiday. A Monday which for some reason I thought was Sunday. I guess maybe I could have gotten some leniency because of that. Maybe someone knows more on this. The sign definitely was Mon-Fri, no parking.

As for what I said I would do on this forum, please copy and paste instead of making stuff up.

And to those people who seem to think they know me, keep guessing.

I have heard that in the uk you cant get a parking ticket on a bank holiday, not sure if true tho.

johnbc · 10-07-2012, 09:42 PM

Thank you for a constructive response.

msbpunk · 10-07-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by johnbc

Thank you for a constructive response.

Or you could try doing your due diligence.
Are you a child who has to have everything done for you?

arayder · 11-07-2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by msbpunk

Or you could try doing your due diligence.
Are you a child who has to have everything done for you?

Yes, one wonders why the “johnbc” persona doesn’t simply check out his own story and get back to us.

This I-don’t-know-nothing-but-maybe-freemanism-works sort of posting seems to be going around.

I think it’s all from the same character and I don't need to guess who.

johnbc · 11-07-2012, 11:13 AM

Maybe I just enjoy the pleasant company around here.

arayder · 11-07-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by johnbc

Maybe I just enjoy the pleasant company around here.

. . .and the “johnbc” persona isn’t suspended.

johnbc · 11-07-2012, 10:10 PM

For someone who so often passes judgement on others, you seem to get offended rather easily.

arayder · 11-07-2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by johnbc

For someone who so often passes judgement on others, you seem to get offended rather easily.

How is observing that your most recent "persona" has not been suspended a judgmental observation?

And how do you suppose that I am offended by observing so?

johnbc · 12-07-2012, 01:19 AM

I was more referring to your past passing of judgments. I do believe there's been a few.

I guess I thought you felt you'd been wronged enough to feel the need to post such a comment. If I was mistaken I apologize.

08-07-2012, 08:02 PM	#162
jimrob Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 67	Yeah I totally agree. As with most people on here for me Menard is so much about getting one over on the system, getting something for nothing, that he is not an example to follow or someone to aspire to be. For me it is about assuming responsibility for myself and my own actions. I stand on my own two feet and I like to think most of humanity would too, if only they could get the government off their backs. My experience of government is that they are more than happy to have a free ride on the backs of honest hard working people, and that is why I oppose them at every opportunity.

08-07-2012, 08:16 PM	#163
jimrob Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 67	And just to prove that I do uphold those laws which do deal with morality here is one of the many thieves that I have given up my time to help prosecute. http://www.jerseylaw.je/Judgments/Un...-Tarau_228.htm

10-07-2012, 09:21 PM	#168
johnbc Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 80	Hey guys, Good to see this thread has moved on and gotten more input. I have to be honest. I thought of another possible reason for my parking ticket getting dismissed. I'm pretty sure it was a public holiday. A Monday which for some reason I thought was Sunday. I guess maybe I could have gotten some leniency because of that. Maybe someone knows more on this. The sign definitely was Mon-Fri, no parking. As for what I said I would do on this forum, please copy and paste instead of making stuff up. And to those people who seem to think they know me, keep guessing.

10-07-2012, 09:42 PM	#170
johnbc Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 80	Thank you for a constructive response.

11-07-2012, 11:13 AM	#173
johnbc Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 80	Maybe I just enjoy the pleasant company around here.

11-07-2012, 10:10 PM	#175
johnbc Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 80	For someone who so often passes judgement on others, you seem to get offended rather easily.

12-07-2012, 01:19 AM	#177
johnbc Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 80	I was more referring to your past passing of judgments. I do believe there's been a few. I guess I thought you felt you'd been wronged enough to feel the need to post such a comment. If I was mistaken I apologize.