Relinquishing The"I"

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by lonestar

hey passerbye999 thanks for this thread. lots of very interesting stuff.

Thank You.

Thank you I am glad you enjoy it.

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by william68

This is a point of confusion because for some reason the last part of this meaning is missing from a lot of texts. The ego is the individual consciousness and its subject to its level of power. As one purifies the consciousness by the spiritual exercises, it increases in vibration and the dross is weeded. Once the Serpent fully ascends this is where the death of the ego (little i) happens. The reason is the old self or consciousness "dies" and is replaced by the super ego or superconscious state/gnosis. One old symbol of this is the alchemical images of the beheading.

I bring this up because too many people go on and on about how bad the ego is or how much in their ego people are. The problem has always been a weak ego in the true sense. And how enlightenment means release from the ego.etc

As a practioner yourself you can probably give testament to how after a while your consciousness changes so much you become a more refined and grown person. I don't remember the person I was before I started the enlightenment path years before. I consider this a blessing and it makes me feel compassion for the typical person still in that state, on some level.

From within this I hope you can draw your answer.

Yeah sounds great. What method is it you practice? Kundalini?

[william68]

Its all based on that in the end.

Originally Posted by passerbye999

Yeah sounds great. What method is it you practice? Kundalini?

[_z3n_]

Originally Posted by william68

This is a point of confusion because for some reason the last part of this meaning is missing from a lot of texts. The ego is the individual consciousness and its subject to its level of power. As one purifies the consciousness by the spiritual exercises, it increases in vibration and the dross is weeded. Once the Serpent fully ascends this is where the death of the ego (little i) happens. The reason is the old self or consciousness "dies" and is replaced by the super ego or superconscious state/gnosis. One old symbol of this is the alchemical images of the beheading.

I bring this up because too many people go on and on about how bad the ego is or how much in their ego people are. The problem has always been a weak ego in the true sense. And how enlightenment means release from the ego.etc

As a practioner yourself you can probably give testament to how after a while your consciousness changes so much you become a more refined and grown person. I don't remember the person I was before I started the enlightenment path years before. I consider this a blessing and it makes me feel compassion for the typical person still in that state, on some level.

From within this I hope you can draw your answer.

So since we are all eternal inflections of a super consciousness, do you feel that it's really important to focus on attaining ultimate enlightenment during a life on earth? Or is it more important to focus on our earthly lives to learn whatever lesson it was that we incarnated here for (and wait until after death to focus on the ultimate reality)?

[hadaka_jimmy]

Originally Posted by _z3n_

So since we are all eternal inflections of a super consciousness, do you feel that it's really important to focus on attaining ultimate enlightenment during a life on earth? Or is it more important to focus on our earthly lives to learn whatever lesson it was that we incarnated here for (and wait until after death to focus on the ultimate reality)?

We're born because the consequences of our past karmic stream, there's nothing of a higher purpose to life, it's simply cause and effect.

[_z3n_]

Originally Posted by hadaka_jimmy

We're born because the consequences of our past karmic stream, there's nothing of a higher purpose to life, it's simply cause and effect.

Is that a fact?

[hadaka_jimmy]

Originally Posted by _z3n_

Is that a fact?

With a username like ZEN, I'd think you'd realise the truth no?

[_z3n_]

Originally Posted by hadaka_jimmy

With a username like ZEN, I'd think you'd realise the truth no?

Ah but therein lies the contradiction. Zen doesn't claim to know the truth, only to be a path to it. How can I find the truth if I accept your words as the truth?

[hadaka_jimmy]

Originally Posted by _z3n_

Ah but therein lies the contradiction. Zen doesn't claim to know the truth, only to be a path to it. How can I find the truth if I accept your words as the truth?

Zen is zen, nothing more nothing less. Sit more and intellectualise less.

[gooseone]

Originally Posted by william68

We all have personal consciousness (the I) its what makes us unqiue. Saying I am or even saying I am not is still saying I. Because we all have our individual soul template. The aim is not to remove the self. But to perfect the self.

I would say conciousness is having certain subjective experiences through seemingly individual mirrors manifesting as human experiences.
Individual "I" cannot be removed and can not die while physically alive, it is ego.

Like every snowflake each man is unique , it takes no effort to be so , it is already been taken care off.

There is nothing personal about conciousness , other then the concept that a seemingly seperate I can throw thoughts towards it and they seem to reflect back , in that sense the I can never know anything about it other then conceptualized thoughts.

Like " perfecting the self " ..whom is gonna do that ?
Realising "self" is not a personal experience , yet the path leading towards it might seem very well just that

It's all one big paradox , yet it can be perfectly clear , it's how we all start out , it's distorting truth that creates the great mystery and search to regain "it".

[hadaka_jimmy]

There is no 'I'.

As one very wise said 'Ego / Soul is the seed of delusion and fools think it is the man'

THINK about it.

[_z3n_]

I think that trying to relinquish the "I" is an important exercise for growth and learning, but presently there is very much an "I". You have individual thoughts and an individual consciousness.

[passerbye999]

Originally Posted by _z3n_

I think that trying to relinquish the "I" is an important exercise for growth and learning, but presently there is very much an "I". You have individual thoughts and an individual consciousness.

What I started this thread for to be perfectly clear is the concept of the little"i" the ego and the big "I" the self. The self always remains pieces may fall away but that only makes the consciousness and it's awareness more clear. We want to remove the skhandas (bundles) the ego that was built on experiences from the womb to the present. These bundles are what form who you are.

But who really are you? You are simply empty mindful awareness. This is pure radiant consciousness. Once you find your true original nature (kensho) you see through the eyes of kensho. This is the practice of reliquishing the "I". This is why I said I lived I am not but now I am. I am not is seeing through the eyes of ego once you relinquish the ego you are truly I am. I am only self.

I hope this clears up the confusion if there is any of this thread. Throughout the thread I have presented theory and methods to accomplish this goal.

Passerbye 999

[theabbot 7]

why was this guy ban

[trotafox]

Has anyone seen this documentary movie "I Am" by Tom Shadyac? I highly recommend it.
http://www.iamthedoc.com/thefilm/

I've been a reading Icke's books for 12 years. I've listening for so long to David talking about how we are all one and connected. I'd scratch my head and say yeah okay, I get it....I think.

I just rented this DVD from our Library and I have to say this had a profound affect on me because it illustrated beautifully how quantum science is proving that we are all connected not only to each other but to every living thing. It gave me a whole new understanding of Icke's Love Vibrations and how, indeed, love vibrations can change the world.

Tom Shadyac is the director of Liar Liar, Nutty Professor, Bruce Almighty, etc. He suffered a brain injury which caused him to re-examine his life, as well as what was happening in the world around him.

[indolering]

Originally Posted by theabbot 7

why was this guy ban

I don't know. He seems like the last guy on Earth to get banned. Too bad.

Originally Posted by trotafox

Has anyone seen this documentary movie "I Am" by Tom Shadyac? I highly recommend it.
http://www.iamthedoc.com/thefilm/

I've been a reading Icke's books for 12 years. I've listening for so long to David talking about how we are all one and connected. I'd scratch my head and say yeah okay, I get it....I think.

I just rented this DVD from our Library and I have to say this had a profound affect on me because it illustrated beautifully how quantum science is proving that we are all connected not only to each other but to every living thing. It gave me a whole new understanding of Icke's Love Vibrations and how, indeed, love vibrations can change the world.

Tom Shadyac is the director of Liar Liar, Nutty Professor, Bruce Almighty, etc. He suffered a brain injury which caused him to re-examine his life, as well as what was happening in the world around him.

Thanks for the link - looks good - will check it out.

[alisa2]

theabbot --why was this guy ban

Maybe he requested it. (same for Hadaka Jimmy)

I don't see any reason for being banned anywhere.

[willie1959]

I understand what is being said here.

Our origin is of the flesh of which is nature. As we come from the dust we return to dust, this does not refer to the sprit or self. We as humans constantly deny that we are a product of nature yet we all act like it every day. Then the self awareness comes into focus and the ego that is the small “I” gets in the way, which is because the conscious mind gets in the way of the true self. We are more than the conscious mind.

Think back like a child and you will see the self before it was polluted by the ego or conscious mind.


We have three levels; conscious mind belongs to the flesh. The other two are spiritual sub conscious levels one for the individual and one for the whole of universe or the one.

Even in nature the system works on the one but it singles out one individual to support the other.

We are spiritual beings having a human experience not humans trying to be spiritual.

[gooseone]

Originally Posted by willie1959

I understand what is being said here.

Our origin is of the flesh of which is nature. As we come from the dust we return to dust, this does not refer to the sprit or self. We as humans constantly deny that we are a product of nature yet we all act like it every day. Then the self awareness comes into focus and the ego that is the small “I” gets in the way, which is because the conscious mind gets in the way of the true self. We are more than the conscious mind.

Think back like a child and you will see the self before it was polluted by the ego or conscious mind.


We have three levels; conscious mind belongs to the flesh. The other two are spiritual sub conscious levels one for the individual and one for the whole of universe or the one.

Even in nature the system works on the one but it singles out one individual to support the other.

We are spiritual beings having a human experience not humans trying to be spiritual.

What makes you say that there are multiple beings having a human experience ?