What do you guys think?

sniper13x · 21-06-2012, 04:18 AM

Lately this has been rattling around in my head, then I heard Icke speak on something similar in a recent interview I heard of his so I figured i'd put it out there on the collective consciousness and see what people think.

Lately I keep coming across the fact that language was created just to control us. You look at the tower of babel story, and other similar stories in other cultures, and it hints at the truth. I was wondering out loud talking to my mom (the person I usually ramble my incoherent thoughts to), and this thought pattern came to me:

If you took a kid from birth and never spoke a word to them, never gave them the concept of language and words, how would they think? How would they process thoughts? How would they process the world around them? Have you ever noticed that you think in words? Everyone has that constant chatter in their mind that they can't seem to shut up, its there 24/7 and is always louder and more obnoxious when we are stressed or tired or in pain. Would shutting up this chatter be a step towards freeing our minds from all this control? Is this spoken and written word crap we learn from birth a means of control? We know symbols have meanings, and I know that every letter in the Hebrew alphabet has a meaning. What do you guys think?

mithios · 21-06-2012, 04:25 AM

I don't think in words.

Mainly why it's really hard to ever express my thoughts and intuitions accurately,having to translate an abstract into the limiting scope of language.

Language is the antithesis of the infinite

aheroicstand · 21-06-2012, 04:49 AM

it's the way words are used. sometimes they are used to express the truth, other times they are used to conceal the truth and to spread lies.

George Carlin - Euphemistic Language - YouTube

sniper13x · 21-06-2012, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mithios

I don't think in words.

Mainly why it's really hard to ever express my thoughts and intuitions accurately,having to translate an abstract into the limiting scope of language.

Language is the antithesis of the infinite

My point exactly!!! You are blessed to not have to deal with the constant chatter in your brain. The vast majority of humanity don't have that luxury. The more I think about all this stuff, the common threads in all cultures of a "fall of man", the common threads of "manipulation", the common threads of division through the creation of languages like in the tower of babel story, it all adds up. It disconnects us from ourselves, thus disconnecting us all from each other. Animals don't need words, they just are. They are still connected to the vastness of all that is. Do you think a butterfly uses its brain when it travels north, or does it use its intution, its connection to the greater consciousness that we've been disconnected from? Is this what psychedelics like DMT do, reconnect us and gets rid of that chatter allowing the pineal gland to take over? Definitely lots to ponder on. My intuition tells me i'm on to something with this.

biblegirl · 21-06-2012, 05:28 AM

Good stuff OP, I think that children are much more inclined to telepathy and sharpened senses but are encouraged to speak out loud by adults and likely lose their extra senses. Language is a very left brain thing and in our culture left brain thinking is generally promoted as the ONLY way. With telepathy in higher realms there is no such thing as lying and deception because your lie would be immediately obvious as you "said" it. Interestingly I have read much about "the logos" which apparently is an voice heard like audio while on mushrooms. Have you heard about that? So that is interesting. DMT is probably a different experience. I think language can be a good thing but the English language in particular is the most spiritually dead. It completely removes all connotations of masculine and feminine energy, causing every word to be neutral and meaningless on other levels. In the purest form of written language there is meaning behind every stroke of every letter, not just phonetic value as is in the English language. Which is probably why English is becoming the worldwide language to dumb people down.

tenzingnorgay · 21-06-2012, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mithios

I don't think in words.

Mainly why it's really hard to ever express my thoughts and intuitions accurately,having to translate an abstract into the limiting scope of language.

Language is the antithesis of the infinite

I'm like you but not everyone is. People are different. Some people are very in tune to language and not so much to concepts and intuitions.

I don't learn from hearing. I learn from reading. Some people are exactly the opposite.

tenzingnorgay · 21-06-2012, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sniper13x

Lately this has been rattling around in my head, then I heard Icke speak on something similar in a recent interview I heard of his so I figured i'd put it out there on the collective consciousness and see what people think.

Lately I keep coming across the fact that language was created just to control us. You look at the tower of babel story, and other similar stories in other cultures, and it hints at the truth. I was wondering out loud talking to my mom (the person I usually ramble my incoherent thoughts to), and this thought pattern came to me:

If you took a kid from birth and never spoke a word to them, never gave them the concept of language and words, how would they think? How would they process thoughts? How would they process the world around them? Have you ever noticed that you think in words? Everyone has that constant chatter in their mind that they can't seem to shut up, its there 24/7 and is always louder and more obnoxious when we are stressed or tired or in pain. Would shutting up this chatter be a step towards freeing our minds from all this control? Is this spoken and written word crap we learn from birth a means of control? We know symbols have meanings, and I know that every letter in the Hebrew alphabet has a meaning. What do you guys think?

There is no absolute answer. It depends on the person. There are billions of different people on earth and we're all a little different.

tenzingnorgay · 21-06-2012, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sniper13x

My point exactly!!! You are blessed to not have to deal with the constant chatter in your brain. The vast majority of humanity don't have that luxury. The more I think about all this stuff, the common threads in all cultures of a "fall of man", the common threads of "manipulation", the common threads of division through the creation of languages like in the tower of babel story, it all adds up. It disconnects us from ourselves, thus disconnecting us all from each other. Animals don't need words, they just are. They are still connected to the vastness of all that is. Do you think a butterfly uses its brain when it travels north, or does it use its intution, its connection to the greater consciousness that we've been disconnected from? Is this what psychedelics like DMT do, reconnect us and gets rid of that chatter allowing the pineal gland to take over? Definitely lots to ponder on. My intuition tells me i'm on to something with this.

You are on to something for you. Not everyone is like you. We are not animals either. The ability to speak to each other through language may be a curse in some ways but it is also a blessing and possibly a route to enlightenment for some. It also connects us to others in ways that intuition and feeling cannot.

DMT may take you back to teh infinite, but it doesn't allow you to speak about it to anyone else.

beastcop156 · 21-06-2012, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aheroicstand

it's the way words are used. sometimes they are used to express the truth, other times they are used to conceal the truth and to spread lies.

George Carlin - Euphemistic Language - YouTube

Thank God for George Carlin.
He was our Brother and a wonderful father-like teacher.
He made me laugh during the most difficult period of my life thus far.

One day I will meet him on the other side; pure bliss...this is MY dream.

Between him, Bill Hicks and Robert Anton Wilson; the world was made a much better place. Thanks for the video aheroicstand. u r

George ALWAYS kept it real and made me laugh through any tears.
Besides my husband, I believe this man is the only other i could fall deeply in love with even if he was old enough to be my pawpaw.

He left us all with a huge amount of material to help us think!

aheroicstand · 21-06-2012, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by beastcop156

Thank God for George Carlin.
He was our Brother and a wonderful father-like teacher.
He made me laugh during the most difficult period of my life thus far.

One day I will meet him on the other side; pure bliss...this is MY dream.

Between him, Bill Hicks and Robert Anton Wilson; the world was made a much better place. Thanks for the video aheroicstand. u r

George ALWAYS kept it real and made me laugh through any tears.
Besides my husband, I believe this man is the only other i could fall deeply in love with even if he was old enough to be my pawpaw.

He left us all with a huge amount of material to help us think!

In a world that is so deceived, the truth is a heavy burden. People like Carlin help to lighten the load. When you don't buy into the system's bullshit, it's nice to have a voice out there confirming what you know to be true, and it ain't bad when they do it in a entertaining way.

Here's another one from Carlin about language.

George Carlin ..... language complaints.Words,Politicians. - YouTube

A very

21-06-2012, 04:18 AM	#1
sniper13x Banned Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Pacific NW, USA (Radiation anyone?) Posts: 1,072	What do you guys think? Lately this has been rattling around in my head, then I heard Icke speak on something similar in a recent interview I heard of his so I figured i'd put it out there on the collective consciousness and see what people think. Lately I keep coming across the fact that language was created just to control us. You look at the tower of babel story, and other similar stories in other cultures, and it hints at the truth. I was wondering out loud talking to my mom (the person I usually ramble my incoherent thoughts to), and this thought pattern came to me: If you took a kid from birth and never spoke a word to them, never gave them the concept of language and words, how would they think? How would they process thoughts? How would they process the world around them? Have you ever noticed that you think in words? Everyone has that constant chatter in their mind that they can't seem to shut up, its there 24/7 and is always louder and more obnoxious when we are stressed or tired or in pain. Would shutting up this chatter be a step towards freeing our minds from all this control? Is this spoken and written word crap we learn from birth a means of control? We know symbols have meanings, and I know that every letter in the Hebrew alphabet has a meaning. What do you guys think?

21-06-2012, 04:25 AM	#2
mithios Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Posts: 1,135	I don't think in words. Mainly why it's really hard to ever express my thoughts and intuitions accurately,having to translate an abstract into the limiting scope of language. Language is the antithesis of the infinite __________________ The material world is merely a tool. And tools can build,but they cannot create.

21-06-2012, 05:28 AM	#5
biblegirl Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: USA Posts: 6,548	Good stuff OP, I think that children are much more inclined to telepathy and sharpened senses but are encouraged to speak out loud by adults and likely lose their extra senses. Language is a very left brain thing and in our culture left brain thinking is generally promoted as the ONLY way. With telepathy in higher realms there is no such thing as lying and deception because your lie would be immediately obvious as you "said" it. Interestingly I have read much about "the logos" which apparently is an voice heard like audio while on mushrooms. Have you heard about that? So that is interesting. DMT is probably a different experience. I think language can be a good thing but the English language in particular is the most spiritually dead. It completely removes all connotations of masculine and feminine energy, causing every word to be neutral and meaningless on other levels. In the purest form of written language there is meaning behind every stroke of every letter, not just phonetic value as is in the English language. Which is probably why English is becoming the worldwide language to dumb people down.