Cameron says Euro needs single government

[thecatsmeow]

Isn't this Camera-on's way of handing all of our affairs over to the EU...I think we're finished as a nation!?

Cameron says Euro needs single government - report

(Reuters) - A successful euro zone requires a single government if it is to work properly, Prime Minister David Cameron said in a newspaper interview on Wednesday.

"There's nowhere in the world that has a single currency without having more of a single government," Cameron told Daily Mail.

"Making sense of the euro for me would mean that those euro zone countries would have to have much more co-ordinated economic policy, much more co-ordinated debt policy," he said.

Cameron, who opted out of a new European economic pact late last year, advocated Britain's position outside the euro and its ability "to do things to ourselves, for ourselves, by ourselves.

"I have always believed different countries at times will need different economic policies, interest rates tailored to their own needs."

Cameron said, however, that it is in Britain's interest to see a return to growth in the euro zone, which accounts for 40 percent of UK exports.

"We want them to sort out the problems that they have. We want to be in the single market, we want European co-operation, we don't want to be in the euro," Cameron said.

"The euro is a project in transition that could go in a number of different ways ... all these countries have to make their own choices."

[freedomwarrior]

Personally I think that Cameron should be arrested and tried for Treason - handing laws and powers of this nation. A sovereign nation to the EU is treason. The queen is also guilty of this, for allowing this to happen - not to mention that she is an unelected head of state.

Stop me if I am wrong but wasn't the last elected Prime minister Tony Blair?
Brown was not elected, Cameron was not elected, neither was Clegg - they got into power by way of a hung parliament. So why do we let these scumbags rule us? they are not even elected and they are committing treason.

Back in the old days, you would be hung for treason, today you are awarded into even higher positions of power.

[thecatsmeow]

We don't get to vote, not really, it's all fixed and they're all on the same side.

[freedomwarrior]

I agree, they are all on the same side and controlled by the far reaching arms of the higher authority. But I think people should be aware, if they are not, in the wider general public spectrum that they are governed by an unelected Prime minister and an unelected head of state (the queen)

The way I see it is, any laws/powers or whatever Cameron brings in,are illegal and we do not have to follow them - you cannot make laws if you are not elected by the people of your nation to do so. Therefore any laws passed and imposed since Tony Blair are unlawful, illegal and we as citizens have the right not to obey them.

[thecatsmeow]

Originally Posted by freedomwarrior

I agree, they are all on the same side and controlled by the far reaching arms of the higher authority. But I think people should be aware, if they are not, in the wider general public spectrum that they are governed by an unelected Prime minister and an unelected head of state (the queen)

The way I see it is, any laws/powers or whatever Cameron brings in,are illegal and we do not have to follow them - you cannot make laws if you are not elected by the people of your nation to do so. Therefore any laws passed and imposed since Tony Blair are unlawful, illegal and we as citizens have the right not to obey them.

Agreed! But Cameron doesn't make the laws any more, the EU does. I've posted a template letter in this thread.

[sillybilly]

In a UK TV programme on the Euro problems this past week, it was said quite clearly by some Spanish or Italian politician that the only way forward was political union.
The programme looked at the history of the EU and it was acknowledged that the euro was seen as paving the way for political union. But they put the cart before the horse and got it wrong.
No matter - IMO they couldn't do it that way so they are going the financial collapse route.
My take is that far from the current troubles presaging the break up of the EU, it will go precisely the other way. There will come a point, after economic turmoil, grinding poverty, war or the possibility of war, that full integration will be sold to us as our salvation.
And people will clamour, yes clamour for it.
I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

[sillybilly]

Originally Posted by freedomwarrior

Personally I think that Cameron should be arrested and tried for Treason - handing laws and powers of this nation. A sovereign nation to the EU is treason. The queen is also guilty of this, for allowing this to happen - not to mention that she is an unelected head of state.

Both Tory and Labour have sold this country down the river. Ever since we were sold the lie about the Common Market with treaty after treaty entangling us further. Even the last census was in collaboration with the EU.

[thecatsmeow]

This agenda goes right back to the beginning of time and when I found that out I realised how helpless they've made us by constantly ignoring what we said we wanted and undermining the very fabric of human existence. Angry doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about that because, not only did I fall for it but, all of my ancestors were caught-up in the same insidious trap.

[jon galt]

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"There's nowhere in the world that has a single currency without having more of a single government," Cameron told Daily Mail.

Cameron, who opted out of a new European economic pact late last year, advocated Britain's position outside the euro and its ability "to do things to ourselves, for ourselves, by ourselves.

it seems hes talking only of countries that have the euro.

Agreed! But Cameron doesn't make the laws any more, the EU does.

This is only by treaty. Any treaty can be revoked. in the case of European economic law this is to receive benefits such as no import tax between states. In other areas of law, the ECHR it is more that our laws should be compatible and the European court of human rights is an appeal court out side the nation that has violated said rights. through treat agreement member states are expected to implement its decisions. however this is not always the case, there is no mechanism to force a countries to do so and in some cases the uk can use a ''derogation order'' to void parts of the convention, fe

n 12th November 2001, the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Bill will be introduced into Parliament. That Bill contains an extended power to arrest and detain a foreign national where it is intended to remove or deport the person from the United Kingdom because the Secretary of State believes that his presence is a risk to national security and suspects him of being an international terrorist, but where such removal or deportation is not for the time being possible. In such cases, detention may be incompatible with Article 5(1)(f)

as you can see this can be a bad thing as the rights in the convention are general held by most to be fundamental but does show that they are accepted through choice of the member states and that a state can exercise its sovereignty.

[thecatsmeow]

Originally Posted by jon galt

it seems hes talking only of countries that have the euro.

This is only by treaty. Any treaty can be revoked. in the case of European economic law this is to receive benefits such as no import tax between states. In other areas of law, the ECHR it is more that our laws should be compatible and the European court of human rights is an appeal court out side the nation that has violated said rights. through treat agreement member states are expected to implement its decisions. however this is not always the case, there is no mechanism to force a countries to do so and in some cases the uk can use a ''derogation order'' to void parts of the convention, fe


as you can see this can be a bad thing as the rights in the convention are general held by most to be fundamental but does show that they are accepted through choice of the member states and that a state can exercise its sovereignty.

You, surely, don't believe TPTB are going to leave it at this?. No matter what they write down; no matter what they tell you; sooner or later it will come down to wanting complete control over us. Did you click on the link I provided to the other thread?
More recently, they hid the death penalty in the terrorism act in a footnote of a footnote. Devious is the word! Devious and cunning and, I should know, I had to live with people like this in my own family. You can't trust them! If they'll tell one lie they'll tell a million more.

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by thecatsmeow

More recently, they hid the death penalty in the terrorism act in a footnote of a footnote. Devious is the word! Devious and cunning and, I should know, I had to live with people like this in my own family. You can't trust them! If they'll tell one lie they'll tell a million more.

I have heard this too, only it was supposedly the Lisbon treaty. unfortunately no one mentions which article that it is supposed to be a foot note on, which would be interesting to read, if any one knows?

however The Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965 abolished the practice in the uk.

as did the ECHR in member states.
Article 1 – Abolition of the death penalty

The death penalty shall be abolished. No one shall be condemned to such penalty or executed

[thecatsmeow]

Originally Posted by jon galt

I have heard this too, only it was supposedly the Lisbon treaty. unfortunately no one mentions which article that it is supposed to be a foot note on, which would be interesting to read, if any one knows?

however The Murder (Abolition of Death Penalty) Act 1965 abolished the practice in the uk.

as did the ECHR in member states.
Article 1 – Abolition of the death penalty

The death penalty shall be abolished. No one shall be condemned to such penalty or executed

Jesuitsdidit (post #3)

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by thecatsmeow

Jesuitsdidit (post #3)

No, I mean does any one know what article in the Lisbon treaty this foot note is on, all this claim is, is a claim with no evidence to back it up.there is no mention of the article number or even article that it is supposed to be attached to. Any one can say anything and i am guessing that it does not reference the the treaty because it is false. The treaty is quite long so any hint to where this footnote is would be appreciated. I am genuinely interested .tnx

[knightofthegrail]

He is right (from a technical perspective). A single currency needs a single authority that can redistribute support across a currency's region - a bit like how it happens in a nation. The idea of a single currency without a single govt is a nonsense. Without that single authority, a single currency just cannot work - the Euro was ALWAYS a stalking horse for a single European political stucture (and the same will apply to a global currency).

[freedomwarrior]

Originally Posted by thecatsmeow

Agreed! But Cameron doesn't make the laws any more, the EU does. I've posted a template letter in this thread.

Yeah I know the EU make the laws, but the fact is that power was handed over to the EU - so in that instance it makes Cameron and ever prime minister since that power was handed over guilty of TREASON.

[sparkplug]

Cameron should ask the people of the UK their opinion about the EU and the Euro.

I think Greece is being used to scare the people of the EU into what might happen if they don't embrace this dictatorship.

[rodin]

Who's for actually marching on parliament en masse and kicking the government and her majesty's false opposition out into the street?

50 thou should do it.