Is waking up others... something you can DO?

[equinoxboy]

Originally Posted by rokazulu

I have really given up on "waking" people up to the system.

I never have to go very deep into any of this stuff for people to instantly reject the notion altogether, but what I try to get across to people is how the system is inherently corrupt and meaningless. We destroy the Earth, strive for temporary material pleasures and kill each other over interpretations of the undefinable Rorschach blot that is the living universe.

But in their minds this is completely natural and the way things are. If I post on an anonymous forum, people often call me "underage" as if only a toddler would think like this, or some angsty teenager going through a rebellious period. They often strike my arguments down through ad hominem and nothing else. Calling my ideas "delusional" "insane'.

What the hell can I do? I don't even TALK about conspiracies! Because first, I don't know which ones are true and which ones are not, but secondly, because there is so much in plain view that is non-conspiratorial which people can't even accept! (like the economy doesn't economize at all, and having a job at a corporation could actually be HINDERING society not helping)

Though, I realize I'm not even awake yet. I'm still living in duality and certainly without their twisted world-view, I would not have mine. It just becomes so hard to drop your ego when you are arguing with someone who you KNOW are hypnotized. It's like telling a flat-earther that the world is round. You can't TELL THEM ANYTHING that will convince them otherwise... because they'll just say "obviously it's flat just look! The land is flat, so the earth is flat! You stupid or something?"

I'm just unsure that you can convince anyone. I think I need to truly wake up myself. Form my reality in a non-dualistic way, if that means anything. Then when (forgive my angst!) retarded brain-dead zombies shit their collective fearful pants and start crying over 10 people dying at a movie theater and forgetting about the MILLIONS dying overseas, maybe I'll be able to smile..... because I'll know they are just acting out a crazy far-out role in life.

I suspect that many of those who post on here have experienced similar to this. David Icke had his own version of it too, in a much more public way. When you see a new insight clearly, there is an overwhelming urge to share it with all and it can be extremely disheartening when you get such a negative response. One of my closest friends started to distance himself from me immediately and we then drifted apart. To people who care about you, it can seem as if you are going mad and some will be genuinely concerned about you.

There is an either/or question here;

Am I awake and seeing truth, trying to rouse others who are still asleep?

or,

Am I asleep and shouting at the characters in my dreams to wake up?

I came to the conclusion that focussing on trying to wake others up is to distract from my own responsibility for change. We see in others what lies within ourselves. Hence the warning; "Judge not, lest you be judged." If I live my life honestly, being true to myself, I can be the change that I seek to see in the world. In doing so, I show that what I was trying to say did not threaten to destroy, to propagate fear, but leads instead to a beautiful future for us all (which was the reason I was so enthusiastic about sharing my vision in the first place!).

Truth is Light. In the presence of Light, darkness cannot be. Be Truth, shine your Light.

Love

[cyclops]

Originally Posted by alvaro_slash

Having said that, I would say if thatīs what you are trying to wake people about, itīs totally possible. HOWEVER, you then, made a connection regarding these subjects, with aliens, others dimensions, which, Im sorry, are not related with banking corruptions, corruption inside the government, countries with high numbers of people starving and etc... people obviously wonīt believe you simple becuase itīs not related to this topic!

Hi man. Thanks for the reply. I'm sorry if my tone was a little bit harsch, was not intended that way.

I know these subjects are not connected, but there are many researchers out there who talk about banking scams the first part, and 10 minutes later about aliens or other dimensions. That's what I meant with (maybe undeliberate) disinformation. This is done by many of the New Age aligned researchers, and I think it does more harm than good to 'newbies.' Most documentaries use that kind of spin also. And also mr. Icke. I have the utmost respect for him and his personality. He's probably the best orator in the world and no other person can talk for 12 hours and you can hear a pin drop. But with the 'reptillian theory' as one of the most vocal points we will never ever achieve something.


It's important to get as many people interested who have some kind of influence, through a government job or academic specialty or so. For instance, to better get the reality of the banking scams in the public domain, you have to reach 'insiders' who got out of Big Banking, or are willing to do so. It's getting kinda obvious that Big Banking is sucking all the money out of the Third World countries and since 2008 in big numbers out of the First World too through the bailouts. There are already some former Goldman Sachs employees who are speaking out, but not nearly enough. Many bankers are jumping off the ship like rats now, so there is a chance to get those people 'on board' of our ship so to speak. Those people have in fact something to say and can influence other people. They know how this banking world works, and can reach others of equal or more influence. Most of those people are good people, just caught in the system like we all are / where. There are many former bankers who are disgusted of theirselves robbing old people of their pensions and so on. Those people are potentially very good allies.

The most important part is letting those people know that those financial meltdowns didn't happen by accident, but that it was planned and set up that way. Setting up unstable or just clearly farcical financial systems, wait till they almost break down, and then bet against you own systems to get as much money from other people's misery. This is easy to research, prove, and most of the big banking boys are even admitting it.

And, take for instance in the book Tragedy & Hope by Caroll Quigley, which has this is all written out in very fine detail. What all the documentaries and even the works of most conspiracy researchers lack, credible sourcing, details and names, are all in this book. It's about 1200 pages detailed information that you almost can't find anywhere else. Because most of it is not available to us, most even not to academics. He got his information from the archives of the CFR he wrote, because he was a member. So there you can find good information that you can use. The book is easily available online, so email the link to other people, maybe even to your own bank director, mayor, etc. Of course those people are not all part of the scam, only the biggest investment banks who fund governments and key people on key places. Or buy the book on Amazon, mark the important parts and then send it to people you know or hope can make some influence. Add a print of his Wikipedia page that says that Bill Clinton called him an "important influence" will help also, because the world is run by the 'obedience to authority' principle as we all know.

As you also said, many millions of people know that we are screwed by the banking elite, but very few will actually believe that it was planned that way, because there is not much credible evidence to support that. It's all scattered in many places, therefore you have to bring it together, like in an essay like I mentioned before. I think many people, also influencial people, are eager to believe that it was planned, only they haven't seen evidence of it.

I have to disagree with you, there are evidence regarding the existence of aliens, we have witnesses, cases badly explained, confessions, sightings recorded and physical materials colected. Some good research will point you to the right directions. Just know that convicing people about corruption is one things, but convincing people about aliens is totally different.

Yes, you are right again. I've seen many testimonies and so on. There is very much circumstantual evidence indeed. But with the alien theme we will never influence enough people, because it's just too far-out for most. I think it's better to start with the basic things every group in the 'truth movement' agrees on, like the banking scam, the scary privatisation of primal sources for living (like water), the taking over of our food supply by Monsanto & Co, the implementation of a world like 1984, and so on. Focus on those things simultaneously till there is achieved something, and then you can build on that. Every group is fighting each other in this movement on who has the 'real' truth, and nobody is completely right. And therefore you won't get any further, ever.

So first stop the 1% sucking the money out of the 99%, because every bailout that we allow will be a burden on us and our progeny and will render this 99% weaker. With every middle- or lower class person who looses his or her house or job, you loose someone with a rigid base to do his or her own research, informing others, etc. It's not that those people are not important, of course not, but when you have to fight everyday to make ends meet, you won't have the time, power and energy to make a difference.

[oiram]

Don't worry you not alone.

Happens to the 10% happy once all the time. >>>

Its the peoples self fear; they just cant get out of it.

Also its there heavy duty programming....... you will find these are types which can not even come to terms with 9/11.

Always start with a key question about 9/11 ....
if they already get funny on that one don't even try to get into anything else for your own good!

Here are some guiding words from the wise forefathers >>>
(161/162) Speak when it is not proper to be silent, but speak concerning the things you know (only) then when it is fitting.

(164a) Do not wish to speak first in the midst of a crowd.>>> for your own good!

(164b) While it is a skill to speak, it is also a skill to be silent.

(170) A fearful and slavish nature will not be able to partake in faith(truth & reality).

(171b) When you are with believing persons, desire to listen rather than to speak. >>> for your own good!

(311/312) The wise man shares in the kingdom of God(truth & reality); an evil man does not want the foreknowledge of God(truth & reality) to come to pass.
(313) An evil soul flees from God(truth & reality).

(386) If you do not do evil to anyone, you will not be afraid of anyone.

(387) The tyrant will not be able to take away happiness.
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/sent.html

You can not tell/teach or say anything to a blind, fearful, slavish nature believer.....

No belief is necessary, those that believe, do not KNOW.

There minds are totally blocked through a lifetime of manipulation & programming ... even if they know you have a point; they will never admit this & fight you to death..... its normal; 80% are like this worldwide.


Yes they give you big mouth answers before you even ended your sentence.
Its typical for people which speak first before they think about anything.

This fits perfectly in most cases!
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something

Don't worry about it & be insured you not alone!! >>> help the living & don't worry or waist your time with the dead because time gets short!!


The Sword of The Spirit - The Word of God
Eph 6:10-17 (NIV) ...Be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armour of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armour of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled round your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

[loveisthelaw]

Originally Posted by rokazulu

Also, in my opinion

Waking others up is not something we can DO. That implies ego taking charge and forcing it's viewpoint to others. (bout to sound trite here but...) I think it will come about spontaneously through our own universal harmony.

no you can't; most people cant even wake themselves up, from my experience and in my opinion and no, I am not awake.

you can however plant seeds or give alternate views to stimulate thought.

it would also be useful to know what "waking up" means

[oiram]

Originally Posted by loveisthelaw

it would also be useful to know what "waking up" means

In reality its very simple to know; if you can except your own reality with all the nasty corners you hiding from yourself.


Its not so much about anything externally of yourself. Because once you know your own inside with all your inner hidden corners you will automatically understand by default very much of the external world. >> (One of the biggest & first parts to wake up to yourself).

67. The Savior said, "Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."

Words of wisdom >>>>
5. The Savior said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.

For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. [And there is nothing buried that will not be raised.]"

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."

The Savior said, "Don't lie, and don't do what you hate, because all things are disclosed before heaven(within your own head). After all, there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, and there is nothing covered up that will remain undisclosed."

34. The Savior said, "If a blind person leads a blind person, both of them will fall into a hole."

111. Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will roll up in your presence, and whoever is living from the living one will not see death."

Does not Jesus say, "Those who have found themselves, of them the world is not worthy"?


So this should become clear; awakening its 99% about yourself & not about awakening to the external world; or others.

[cyclops]

Originally Posted by oiram

Its the peoples self fear; they just cant get out of it.

If you and me got out of it, then why can't they? I've researched sociology and psychology extensively and I know that most of the time 80% of the people won't care. I don't think it's self fear only; it's dependence on the system, ignorance and narcissism mostly. When people have enough toys to play with every day they do not tend to think for theirselves. Like the "bread and circuses" analogy from ancient Rome.

But when the misery hits them too, this might change. When you really think 80% or 90% of the people around you are plainly stupid, then you will enter the same narcissistic mindset as some of them do. "I'm smart and they are all stupid, so I will do nothing." And that's just what happens. A lot more % than the people who are 'awake' on this moment experience that there is something completely wrong with the system, but they haven't got a clue what it is. You're right that a very big part of the people will never look around them for other 'truths' so to speak. But that doesn't mean you have to do nothing.

Also its there heavy duty programming....... you will find these are types which can not even come to terms with 9/11. Always start with a key question about 9/11 ....
if they already get funny on that one don't even try to get into anything else for your own good!

I don't think 9/11 is the key point anymore to be honest. I'm not from the US but from Europe, but 9/11 is just is not a key point in the public mind anymore around the world. Maybe it still is in the US, but I really doubt it, because I follow the US news daily through the internet. Don't get me wrong, it has to be, but to my knowledge it isn't anymore.
I think it's better to focus on something more recent, which is more on the people's mind. And to reach the younger people also. 9/11 was 11 years ago, people who are 20 now just won't know all the facts and will certainly care less about it. When you stay in the '9/11 mode' you can shout for another decade and probably not much more will be achieved. We all know a lot more happened that day than the official story would acknowledge, but if you are honest to yourself you'll know that most of the most important secrets and facts will not be disclosed until many many years from now. Because it always works that way. It's unfortunate, but if there really was something possible to achieve through 9/11 activism, it would have been achieved by now. Holding on to 9/11 will only render your influence less and less by the years. Therefore I plead in my earlier post for the 'truth movement' to all focus simultaneously on a recent subject. Then much more new people might be interested and maybe influenced. And then you can teach them on 9/11.

[paticke]

I realle feel you since I guess we all have been in that situation when people dont want to listen to what we have learned..

I would say itīs already time to switch to plan B , what, there is a plan B you say?

Well lets make a plan B if people dont want to listen lika they have already shown since 911..

My vision is to choose carefully what information you want people to know, organise some people and print the information, put it in letters and get it sent out to people mailboxes ..

It's like the only thing i can think of that can make a difference if media fails us and politicians. All people dont have the internet and even if they did they probably dont even find any information they could usa to wake up or se things from a higher perspective..

I got this simple soultion on how to get free energy from earth's gravity force and just imagine if alot of people got that simple solution in a letter sent to them, I would be so happy if I got one letter with some truths, and also a freeenergy solution man I would make a silly dance of joy and love right there on the spot.. hahaha

I don't know if people get afraid of this idea tho since this gives people the informationpower back from media..

i would say its not overcomplicated getting a couple of people organised in printing and sending.. The ultimate way would probably be donations, like give 10 dollars and we wills send 100-1000 letters to people mailboxes containing this information: and the you show the letter..

what you think?

[paticke]

Now when i think about it one rich man could get a letter to every mailbox in one country just thru buying letters and stamps and sending em out systematicly..

Also a bunch of poor people could kind of easy organise themselves to do a mailboxproject for truth..