Whooping cough outbreak proves vaccine ineffective - Page 3

ajb408 · 25-09-2012, 11:56 PM

Yo this is important to me-- my sister just gave birth to twins & she's making me get the vaccine & I really don't want to get it.

Can someone PLEASE give me some EVIDENCE of either:

A) Pertussis was on decline before the vaccine was created

B) The Pertussis vaccine does not prevent pertussis in the population

C) The Pertussis Vaccine does no good in terms of preventing the infants I'm around from getting it.

I would love some help on this... I've done some research online but have not found enough.

Also-- can we please be respectful on this sight? I don't like when those with open eyes insist on belittling people who are not in the same paradigm as them, and I really don't like when people say things like "you have blinders on" and "your just a sheep." It really helps no one-- and it REALLY decreases the energy & aura of this place.

Please keep the energy uplifting and respectful. Please :-)

Thanks

motleyhoo · 26-09-2012, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ajb408

I would love some help on this... I've done some research online but have not found enough.

http://www.whattoexpect.com/forums/f...must-read.html

http://www.dailypaul.com/112301/wife...o-it-need-info

http://www.naturalnews.com/035466_wh...outbreaks.html

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stupid · 27-09-2012, 04:30 AM

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/...ussis_vaccines

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http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/dis...is/statistics/

The theory of the rise in pertussis since about 2000, is that the public became wary of vaccinations about that time, and voluntarily began to refuse the vaccine.....hence the rise in whooping cough cases.
There was some evidence that the "whole cell vaccine" may cause brain damage in a small percentage of vaccine immunizations. But around 1998, the "acellular " version of the vaccine was released, to eliminate the prior problems of the "whole cell" version.
...as described here...
http://www.whale.to/a/pdf/geier.pdf

But people to this day, are still refusing the vaccine, even though the (rare) side effects have been eliminated.

velma · 28-09-2012, 10:07 AM

"Vaccination is a gigantic delusion... it has never saved a single life; but that it has been the cause of so much disease, so many deaths, such a vast amount of utterly needless and altogether undeserved suffering, that it will be classed by the coming generation among the greatest errors of an ignorant and prejudiced age, and it's penal enforcement the foulest blot on the generally beneficent course of legislation during our century."

Alfred Russel Wallace, O.M.,F.R.S. - 1898

The Grand Illusion: (author unknown)

< Excerpt >

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.

We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.

We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.

They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.

The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds.

We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.

The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.

From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.

The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.

We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.

We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones.

Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.

They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect.

When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help.

We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.

When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.

When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.

We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.

They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.

stupid · 28-09-2012, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by velma

"Vaccination is a gigantic delusion... it has never saved a single life; but that it has been the cause of so much disease, so many deaths, such a vast amount of utterly needless and altogether undeserved suffering, that it will be classed by the coming generation among the greatest errors of an ignorant and prejudiced age, and it's penal enforcement the foulest blot on the generally beneficent course of legislation during our century."

Alfred Russel Wallace, O.M.,F.R.S. - 1898

Perhaps the problem with that quote, is that it was from 1898 !!....when many vaccines were in their infancy (and were few)....plus that Wallace was a believer in Spiritualism and the truth of the séance...which separated him from rigorous science and most of his scientific colleagues.

But he was still an interesting fellow.

stupid · 29-09-2012, 01:24 AM

[quote]

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajb408

Yo this is important to me-- my sister just gave birth to twins & she's making me get the vaccine & I really don't want to get it.

...there is another simple option....wear a breathing safety mask when you are around the child.

uprising · 29-09-2012, 09:01 AM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...orn-child.html

"Pregnant women are to be given the whooping cough vaccine for the first time following the biggest outbreak of the disease for 20 years and the deaths of ten babies."

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223489

motleyhoo · 04-10-2012, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stupid

The theory of the rise in pertussis since about 2000, is that the public became wary of vaccinations about that time, and voluntarily began to refuse the vaccine.....hence the rise in whooping cough cases.

The theory that the sudden rise in whopping cough cases among those not getting the vaccine is that they were getting the illness from those who did get the vaccine.

Or the theory that vaccines prevent us from ever really developing natural immunity to diseases that would otherwise eventually burn out on their own.

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stupid · 05-10-2012, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motleyhoo

Or the theory that vaccines prevent us from ever really developing natural immunity to diseases that would otherwise eventually burn out on their own.

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To continue to claim that "natural immunity" consistently became present "just before" vaccinations....only goes so far, because of the shear numbers of coincidences you are suggesting.

motleyhoo · 05-10-2012, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stupid

To continue to claim that "natural immunity" consistently became present "just before" vaccinations....only goes so far, because of the shear numbers of coincidences you are suggesting.

That's not what I am saying. Read it again.

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stupid · 10-10-2012, 01:42 PM

OK, I see what you were saying...
...that when we go through natural immunity, the natural disease lays it's aggressive moves, so that you can naturally play one game of chess with the foe, and before moving on....and if you are lucky, that he (she) will never see your knight-takes-king checkmate, again.

stupid · 10-10-2012, 01:48 PM

Like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZmpsl3jI0

25-09-2012, 11:56 PM	#41
ajb408 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 27	Can we please just answer the question Yo this is important to me-- my sister just gave birth to twins & she's making me get the vaccine & I really don't want to get it. Can someone PLEASE give me some EVIDENCE of either: A) Pertussis was on decline before the vaccine was created B) The Pertussis vaccine does not prevent pertussis in the population C) The Pertussis Vaccine does no good in terms of preventing the infants I'm around from getting it. I would love some help on this... I've done some research online but have not found enough. Also-- can we please be respectful on this sight? I don't like when those with open eyes insist on belittling people who are not in the same paradigm as them, and I really don't like when people say things like "you have blinders on" and "your just a sheep." It really helps no one-- and it REALLY decreases the energy & aura of this place. Please keep the energy uplifting and respectful. Please :-) Thanks

27-09-2012, 04:30 AM	#43
stupid Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,169	http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/...ussis_vaccines ~~~~~~ http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/idcu/dis...is/statistics/ The theory of the rise in pertussis since about 2000, is that the public became wary of vaccinations about that time, and voluntarily began to refuse the vaccine.....hence the rise in whooping cough cases. There was some evidence that the "whole cell vaccine" may cause brain damage in a small percentage of vaccine immunizations. But around 1998, the "acellular " version of the vaccine was released, to eliminate the prior problems of the "whole cell" version. ...as described here... http://www.whale.to/a/pdf/geier.pdf But people to this day, are still refusing the vaccine, even though the (rare) side effects have been eliminated. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Your brain doesn’t like randomness, and so it tries to connect a cause to every effect; when it can’t, you make one up." =David McRaney= http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/02/10/placebo-buttons/ Last edited by stupid; 27-09-2012 at 04:26 PM.

28-09-2012, 10:07 AM	#44
velma Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London Posts: 3,667	"Vaccination is a gigantic delusion... it has never saved a single life; but that it has been the cause of so much disease, so many deaths, such a vast amount of utterly needless and altogether undeserved suffering, that it will be classed by the coming generation among the greatest errors of an ignorant and prejudiced age, and it's penal enforcement the foulest blot on the generally beneficent course of legislation during our century." Alfred Russel Wallace, O.M.,F.R.S. - 1898 The Grand Illusion: (author unknown) < Excerpt > We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite. We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening. We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air. They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn. The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison. The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems. From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information. The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons. They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect. When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help. We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things. When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future. When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine. We will render them docile and weak before us by our power. They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison. __________________ "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire (1765) Last edited by velma; 28-09-2012 at 10:12 AM.

29-09-2012, 09:01 AM	#47
uprising Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,085	Pregnant mums to be given whooping cough vaccine http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...orn-child.html "Pregnant women are to be given the whooping cough vaccine for the first time following the biggest outbreak of the disease for 20 years and the deaths of ten babies." http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223489 Last edited by uprising; 29-09-2012 at 09:56 AM.

10-10-2012, 01:42 PM	#51
stupid Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,169	OK, I see what you were saying... ...that when we go through natural immunity, the natural disease lays it's aggressive moves, so that you can naturally play one game of chess with the foe, and before moving on....and if you are lucky, that he (she) will never see your knight-takes-king checkmate, again. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~ "Your brain doesn’t like randomness, and so it tries to connect a cause to every effect; when it can’t, you make one up." =David McRaney= http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/02/10/placebo-buttons/ Last edited by stupid; 10-10-2012 at 01:44 PM.