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Old 24-04-2013, 05:43 AM   #381
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I'd recommend watching the Ann Bressington speech I posted here up the page a bit. She is against fluoridisation and I remember the mainstream media attacking her or people in her circles for saying Tanya Plibersek should be charged with crimes against humanity for mass-fluoridsing 23 million people.

I am also worried that Glizzard is going to ~change her mind~ just before the election and push for gay marriage, instantly gaining support from 95% of the sheep.
I wouldn't be surprised on the last point at all. That would put Abbott in a very difficult position, given he is opposed to same sex marriage.

I would expect the outcome would be Gillard, Wong etc., and the Greens, align and push for it (if re-elected). Abbott and the Coalition would then be forced into the position of changing their stance to allow for a conscience vote after the election.
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Old 24-04-2013, 06:09 AM   #382
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This guy is interesting. He was recently appointed as Chairman of Australia's sovereign wealth fund, "The Future Fund", and chaired the group to prepare a report which if accepted by the States, would see major changes to funding of education in Australia, and much greater centralisation of control in Canberra.

Education is a constitutional matter that the States and Territories are charged with. Canberra, in its overly aggressive and relentless charge to centralise government, is yet again linking funding to greater control from Canberra, and more transfer of powers from the States and Territories to it.

Gonski is not even an educational specialist. He's an investment banker!!

He is also Zionist Frank Lowy's personal investment banker. Lowy's family control and run Westfield, the world's largest shopping centre developer and owner. Westfield famously acquired the rights to the World Trade Centre shopping centre (as horrible and dumpy as it was) a matter of months before September 11.

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David Michael Gonski AC (born 7 October 1953) is an Australian public figure and businessman. He is a leading philanthropist and an official public ambassador for the Australian Indigenous Education Foundation.

In 2008, The Sydney Morning Herald described him as "one of the country's best-connected businessmen" and dubbed him "Mr Networks" for being "arguably Sydney's most networked man." A profile in 2010 by Australian author and Herald columnist, Malcolm Knox said that Gonski is "a quiet man, in some ways invisible, and cleaves to the shadows. If he were to draw a self-portrait, Gonski would get more use out of an eraser than a pencil."

Gonski was born in Cape Town, South Africa and his family migrated to Australia in 1961 in the wake of the Sharpeville massacre. Gonski's father, Alexander, was a Polish neurosurgeon and a founding member of the New South Wales Golf Club at La Perouse. His mother is South African Helene Blume. In a 2010 interview, Gonski recalls that one of his earliest recollections was his mother buying a lithograph by Australian artist, Charles Blackman; commenting that "...there's no doubt that my love for Australian art came from her."

He attended Sydney Grammar School and graduated with the degrees of Bachelor of Commerce and Bachelor of Laws (with the University Medal) from the University of New South Wales. He practised as a solicitor with the firm of Freehills from 1977 to 1986, becoming their youngest ever partner at age 25, before leaving to co-found an investment bank. While at Freehills, he taught intellectual property law for the Faculty of Law at the University of New South Wales.
Gonski established a corporate advisory firm, Wentworth Associates Pty Ltd, which was acquired by Investec Bank in March 2001. Wentworth Associates was a niche corporate advisory business owned by 4 South African Jewish former Freehills partners. Only 3 came across to Investec Bank, when Wentworth Associates was acquired by it.

Investec is a dual listed (J'burg and London) investment bank largely still owned and run by its South African Jewish founders.

Gonski's business background is extensive and it is estimated that he sits on more than 40 boards. Current prominent positions held in business include independent Non-Executive Chairman of Coca-Cola Amatil (since 1997); Ingeus Limited; Swiss Re Life and Health Australia Limited; ASX Limited (since 2008); and Investec Bank (Australia) Limited. He is a Senior Adviser to Morgan Stanley Australia Limited; Chairman of the Advisory Board of Transfield Holdings (the private holding company of Transfield Services Limited); and is presently a non-executive director of Singapore Airlines.

His previous roles have included non-executive director of John Fairfax Holdings (between 1993 and 2005); ANZ Bank (between 2001 and 2007); Westfield Group (between and 2011); Consolidated Press; and ING Australia.

Amidst some controversy, Gonski succeeded David Murray as independent non-executive Chairman of the Australian Government Future Fund on 3 April 2012 It was an off the mark selection.

During 2011, Gonski was Chair of the Expert Advisory Panel of the Commonwealth Government's Review of the Funding of Schools in Australia, which the media commonly refers to as 'the Gonski review'.

At various times he has served on the boards of St Vincent's Hospital, Sydney; the Bundanon Trust; Philanthropy Australia; and the Australia-Israel Chamber of Commerce; and other non-profit entities. The AICC is a pro-Zionist business lobby and networking group.

In 2010, Gonski was commissioned by the Gillard Government to be chairman of a committee to make recommendations regarding funding of education in Australia. Another strange choice.

Gonski is also very active in the Emmanuel Synagogue community in leafy high-end Woollahra in Eastern Suburbs Harbourside Sydney.

He is clearly good, very good at what he does, but the connections he has to high profile Zionists, his selection by the Gillard Govt to have him Chair the Future Fund, and now also being the chair and namesake for a Report recommending greater centralisation of education into the Federal Government (outside its constitutional powers - Canberra is responsible for Higher Education (post High School) only) ... ring major alarm bells.

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Thanks for that info as well!

I've been trying to think of something to say but can't think of anything with substance. I basically agree with everything about centralisation and Frank Lowy.

Gonski seems to be one of our major Zionists which is funny because most Australians wouldn't have heard of him before this year.

These South African Jews seem pure evil.

Woollahra? Isn't that where Abbott lives?
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Thanks for that info as well!

I've been trying to think of something to say but can't think of anything with substance. I basically agree with everything about centralisation and Frank Lowy.

Gonski seems to be one of our major Zionists which is funny because most Australians wouldn't have heard of him before this year.

These South African Jews seem pure evil.

Woollahra? Isn't that where Abbott lives?
Abbott is Northern Beaches ... sorry if the red budgie smugglers image comes to mind! lol I think his family lives in French's Forest.

Woollahra is Double Bay / Edgecliff / Belleveue Hill ... smack back in Eastern Suburbs moneyed land ... and very very Jewish.

Melbourne's equivalent is St Kilda and Elsternwick.

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War and shopping – the extremism that never speaks its name
The Westfield Stratford centre, backed by a former Israeli commando and touted as the future face of

BY JOHN PILGER PUBLISHED 22 SEPTEMBER 2011

Looking for a bookshop that was no longer there, I walked instead into a labyrinth designed as a trap. Leaving became an illusion, rather like Alice once she had stepped through the Looking Glass. Walls of glass curved into concentric circles as one "store" merged into another: Armani Exchange with Dinky-Di Pies. Exits led to gauntlets of more "offers". Seeking a guide, I bought a lousy pair of sunglasses. Anything to get out. It was a vision of hell. It was a Westfield mega mall.

This happened in Sydney - where the Westfield empire began - in a "mall" not half as mega as the one that opened in Stratford, east London on 13 September. "Everything" is here, the architectural critic Jonathan Glancey reported, from Apple to Primark, McDonald's and KFC to Krispy Kreme. There is a cinema with 17 screens and "luxurious VIP seats", and a mega "luxury" bowling alley. Tracey Emin and Mary Portas lead the Westfield "cultural team". A "24-hour lifestyle street" called the Arcade leads to the biggest casino in the land. This will be the only way into the 2012 Olympic Games for seven million people attending the athletics. The simple, grotesque message "buy me, buy me" will be London's welcome to the world.

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“If you've seen the Disney film Wall-E," wrote Glancey in 2008, "you'll certainly recognise Westfield and malls like it. In the film, humans who long ago abandoned the Earth they messed up through greed live a supremely sedentary life shopping and eating. They are very tubby and have lost the use of their legs. Is this how we'll end up? Or will we plunge into the depths of some mammoth recession . . . with nothing and nowhere to spend?" In the less apocalyptic short term, Westfield is "a step towards our collective desire to undermine the life and culture of the traditional city, along with its architecture, and to shop and shop some more".

The original development plan for Stratford City evoked Barcelona: a grid of defined streets of shops and places to live. Modern, civilised. Then the Olympics loomed and so did Westfield, a major corporate sponsor. The mega mall, the biggest in urban Europe, has been built amid grey tower blocks not far from where last month's riots occurred; its "designer" products, made mostly with cheap, regimented labour, beckon the indebted and insult the past. That it stands on a site where London workers made trains - thousands of locomotives, carriages and goods wagons - in what was once called manufacturing is of melancholy interest only. The mega mall's jobs produce nothing and are mostly low-paid. It is an emblem of extreme times.

The co-founder of Westfield is Frank Lowy, an Australian-Israeli billionaire who is to shopping what Rupert Murdoch is to media. Westfield owns or has an interest in more than 120 malls worldwide. Lowy, a former Israeli commando, gives millions to Israel, and in 2003 set up the "independent" Lowy Institute for International Affairs which promotes Israel and US foreign policy.

On the day after the Stratford mall opened, Unicef reported that British parents "feel trapped in a materialistic culture" in which they bought off their children with "branded goods". Low-income parents felt "tremendous pressure from society" to buy trainers, "gadgets" and "branded clothes" for their children. TV advertising and other seductions of the "consumer culture", together with low pay and long working hours, were responsible. Children told the researchers that they preferred to spend time with their families and to have "plenty to do outdoors", but this was often no longer possible. As "welfare" has become a dirty word, basic facilities for the young such as youth clubs are being eliminated by local authorities. I predict more riots

Four years ago, Unicef published a league table of children's well-being across 20 industrialised nations. The UK was bottom. A fifth of British children live in poverty; the figure is forecast to rise in the Olympic year. The priority of Britain's political class, regardless of party, is repayment by ordinary people of "the deficit", a specious and cynical term for epic handouts to crooked banks, and the simultaneous waging of squalid colonial wars for the theft of other countries' resources. This is extremism that never speaks its name.

It is an extremism that has emasculated the social democracies that were Europe's redemption following the Second World War. The forced impoverishment of Greece with exorbitant returns demanded by German and French central bankers is likely to produce another fascist military coup. The forced impoverishment of millions of Britons by David Cameron's ancien régime, with its growing police state and compliant bourgeoisie, especially in the media, will produce more riots; nothing is surer.

One can count on the extremism of apartheid in any form to trigger such a result, no matter its consumerist gloss hermetically sealed in a mega mall. The prospect is democracy for the rich and totalitarianism not only for the poor; and "liberal intervention", as the Guardian calls it approvingly, for those useful foreign parts too weak to resist our "precision" Brimstone missiles.

I went to Parliament Square the other day. The graphic display of state crimes mounted by the peace and justice campaigner Brian Haw had been removed by the Metropolitan Police, knowing that finally he could no longer stand up to them, bodily and in the courts, as he did for a decade. Brian died in June. Visiting him one freezing Christmas, I was moved by the way he persuaded so many passers-by and the power of his courage. We now need millions like him. Urgently.
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I read up on Lowy when I saw the "conspiracy" about him and the twin towers - insurance and everything. Wasn't his story that he migrated to Australia from Hungary with only his suitcase? How did he come to earn all his fortune and become one of the world's major zionists?

AFAIK or maybe I'm ignorant/oblivious, have these zionists been coming out of the woodwork more lately? I mean Lowy AFAIK always maintained a low profile, then starts getting out there a bit more. Same with Gonski and even Rinehart.

Rinehart, Murdoch and Abbott seem to be getting pretty close.
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Here's how Lowy described his time in Hungary ... it's harrowing ... in an interview in the Australian a few years ago

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The story Lowy had kept to himself for so long was the horrifying daily drama of his life as a 13-year-old Jewish boy learning to fight for survival in Hungary after the Nazi invasion. The family scattered, the yellow star, the ghetto, the bodies, the shootings, the narrow escapes, the misery, the humiliation, the scrounging, the desperate desire to live.

His own family knew the vague outlines of the young refugee's story: born in Czechoslovakia, moving to Hungary and then arriving in Australia via Israel with one suitcase and no English on Australia Day, 1952.
But he had always wanted to spare them - and himself - the pain of reliving the trauma and terror he had experienced.

"Some people never tell the story, they die with it," he tells The Weekend Australian. "You live in Australia, a beautiful life, beautiful sunshine, everything you need.

"To come out with this horrible story that you went through, it requires some kind of event that makes you tell your family. It just sits there in a hidden part of your body."

In Lowy's case, the Nazi invasion of Hungary led to his father, Hugo, going immediately to the Budapest train station on March 20, 1944, to try to get tickets out of the city for his wife and four children. At the time, he was a not particularly successful businessman. They never saw him again.

"The sense of loss was so great, it still traumatises me now," Lowy says sombrely.

Frank and his mother stayed together, after being forced into the ghetto a month or so later. A brother and his sister hid elsewhere. His eldest brother was in a labour camp, attached to the Hungarian army on the eastern front.

Frank was caught once by a policeman and let go after brave passers-by said the policeman should pick on someone his own size. Many other young Jews weren't so lucky. He shakes his head at such capriciousness.

"It was only my mother and I until liberation," Lowy says. "The human being is very resourceful. When you fight for survival, you don't think much, you just do. If you think too much, you sink."

Now, at 80, he is finally ready to tell the wider world about this very personal family history, triggered by an extraordinary memorial to his father at Auschwitz, in Poland.

Lowy's experiences, including the official memorial ceremony, will be featured on ABC TV next Monday as part of a documentary series on influential Australian families, Family Confidential.

"People ought to know," Lowy shrugs. Just as he now knows that Hugo Lowy was beaten to death just after he got off the train at Auschwitz in April 1944.

But Frank didn't know what had happened to his father until 1991, the discovery the result of a chance conversation in the US. He couldn't even bring himself to go to Auschwitz until a year ago.

"I wanted to go but I felt very uncomfortable to go there," he says. "Because I needed something that I could identify of my father. And of course there was nothing like that and I was concerned that maybe I would not fill the emotional hole that is there without that.

"Then I discovered the place of the first transport from Hungary to Auschwitz and where it ended up and when I discovered that and saw the railway tracks, I said it would be nice if we could find a wagon that had transported Jews to put there for the Hungarian Jews and then I could include my father. That is exactly what happened."

That process took several years, including the need to find the car, authenticate it, restore it and then persuade the authorities to have it placed at Auschwitz.
Lowy fights his emotions as he describes his first visit to Auschwitz to meet the director and his awe and bewilderment at how some people managed to survive the brutal conditions.

His father was killed immediately because he insisted on going back to pick up the bag containing his prayer shawl after guards took it away from him.
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The Liberal Party interpretation of the "Gillard Experiment"

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http://www.youtube.com/embed/_A4s4Xo...yer_detailpage

Gillard looks certain to be booted out along with the most inept and appalling Government in living memory. Not only has the far left marxist experiment failed miserably, Gillard has overseen the destruction of the Australian Labour Party.

They will not be back in office for a generation.

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Wink Discovering Australia, Sort Of ...

This may be a bit divergent from all the contemporary politics, but Ickeosaurs might enjoy it anyway ....

Back in the early 1980s, when I was corresponding a bit with Paul Kantner about PERRO, I dug into the antiquity of Australia (which figures prominently in both the album and PK's accompanying novel). Here's what I wrote up:

WONDERS DOWN UNDER
First published: Scroll of Set #XIV-5 (October XXIII)

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Australia ... Oz and Beyond

“Oz”, oddly enough, is the name some Australians attach to their country. It is here that the band flees, to a settlement deep in the blisteringly-hot Australian Outback. Over fifteen hundred people have formed a settlement that is nearly totally self-sufficient. Weather control, lakes, forests, mountains, underground agriculture, and huge machines all serve to support this community.

U.S. government agents eventually discover the settlement and launch an attack to recover the extrasensory technology for Cold War use. The children of the settlement construct a telepathic shield around the colony, and they escape into space in the “edge of your seat” climax.
The fun thing about Australia is that it was presumed to be there long before it was discovered. The story begins with the Alexandrian Greek astronomer and geographer Claudius Ptolemy. In his day sensible scientists knew the world (ge) was round, and it was proposed by Krates of Mallos in the 2nd century BCE that there had to be roughly equal land-masses on all surfaces in order to “balance” the known portion (oikoumene). Otherwise the world wouldn’t stay upright [the Greeks hadn’t got gravity, orbital rotation, etc. quite worked out yet].

Ptolemy is most famous in history for his bright but wrong idea that the Sun and planets revolve around the Earth. He had another wrong idea about Terra Australis, which appears for the first time on a 1482 edition of one of his maps as a gigantic land mass occupying the bottom of the globe, and of which Africa is a northern peninsula. [In the 7th century BCE an Egyptian Pharaoh had sent a Phoenician expedition around the Cape of Good Hope, but Ptolemy shrugged that off. To be fair to him, so did Herodotus. Ignoring inconvenient data is not only a modern phenomenon.]

It is commonly supposed that medieval Europeans thought the world was flat. In fact, following the authority of Aristotle, it was assumed [in learned circles, at least] to be spherical. Since God could hold the planet together in any way He chose to, however, it was no longer thought necessary to have land masses just for the sake of weight-distribution. Australia went off the map.

Besides, argued theologians, God would not have been so wasteful of space to create all that land without people, and if there were people there, they would be heathen and in need of conversion, and if no one could get to them, they couldn’t be converted, which was outrageous. There couldn’t possibly be any other people besides those within reach of Christianity. It was definitely better to keep Australia off the map.

[A little later America was (re)discovered, and there were indeed native people there. Some theologians proposed that these “Indians” were not true people but an evil race created by the Devil. Orthodox dogma said that only God could create, however, so the native inhabitants of the Americas went on to receive the blessings of the Christian missionary efforts.]

Terra Australis was decreed not to exist because it was unreachable, and it was unreachable because the equator was decreed to be uncrossable because it was thought to be hot and burnt-out. One day someone sailed across it at sea and noticed that he didn’t burn up. After the general astonishment died down, enthusiasts such as Portugal’s Prince Henry the Navigator commissioned all sorts of mapping expeditions.

Once Columbus rediscovered America, it seemed that old Krates was right. There had to be more land sprinkled around the globe until one got round to the oikoumene again. In the 16th & 17th centuries CE Terra Australis Incognita was re-added to the map. So far no one had actually bumped into it yet.

There were a couple of near-misses. In 1545 the Spaniard Inigo Ortis de Retes discovered New Guinea and supposed it to be a northern peninsula of TAI. The Peruvian Alvaro de Mendana de Neyra found some islands in 1567, which he named the Solomons in hopes that he would find similar treasure there. [Perhaps it was lunchtime when Captain Cook reached Hawaii.]

In 1603, having fired up the Pope and Philip III of Spain with tales of Pacific treasures to be reaped, de Retes’ lieutenant, Pedro Fernandes de Quieros, went out to try again. He came back with wild tales about a new continent larger than Europe and packed with more gold than Peru. He called it Austrialia del Espiritu Santo and said that he had formally laid the cornerstone for a city named New Jerusalem there. Actually he had found the New Hebrides, but no one believed him anyway.

Meanwhile the cartographers were having fun. On the maps of the time TAI was positioned everywhere from underneath Africa to underneath South America, and everywhere in between. Guesses ranged from island-size to something big enough to reach from Cape Horn to the Cape of Good Hope. The famous Turkish Piri Reis map joins South America to TAI, places 6-horned oxen there, and adds the notation that “the Portuguese infidels have recorded it in their maps”.

In 1613 the Dutchman Dirck Hartog published his sighting of the Australian coast, and thereafter the Dutch poked around a bit. In 1629, in the best European tradition, they took a whirl at starting a colony. Captain Francis Pelsart set off from Java with a small fleet. Unfortunately he took a Haarlem pirate by the name of Jerome Cornelius along. The expedition crashed on the Abrolhos Islands (in Portuguese: “Keep-Your-Eyes-Open Islands”). Reportedly:

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Exactly what happened then is not clear; whether Pelsart took some of the party and sailed back to get help, or whether Cornelius held his mutiny on land and drove out Pelsart and those loyal to him. In any case Cornelius ended up in control. He killed some 40 of the men to save water supplies, took over all of the women for himself and his followers, and held a brief reign that was a succession of drunken orgies. He also killed several more of the men on suspicion of disloyalty to him, including the two ship’s carpenters, and was thus unable to carry out his plan of salvaging material from the wrecks, building another ship, and becoming a pirate. When Captain Pelsart and his men unexpectedly returned, Cornelius was overthrown and was summarily tried and hanged.
As colonizing goes this was not exactly a high point. The Dutch more or less said to Hell with it, and the rest of the world agreed. Cartographers of the 17th century were accustomed to map only known areas, leaving unexplored areas blank. So Australia went back off the map for another 100 years.

Of course everyone knew it was still down there somewhere. The fantasy writers of the day knew a good thing when they saw it, grinding out many tales set there of which Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels is the best-known.

The basket-cases checked in too: In 1676 the Franciscan monk Gabriel de Foigny, already notorious for his scandalous life, published La Terre Australe Connue in which he revealed that the natives of Australia were hermaphrodites who used a special breed of long-nosed pigs to root in straight lines, thereby tilling the ground for them.

This nonsense went on until 1768, with a succession of maps showing TAI here, there, or nowhere, and New Zealand and Tasmania similarly growing or shrinking in size at the whim of the cartographer. Finally the famous Captain Cook went down to explore and chart the area, and he got a grip on Australia. It went back on the map, and in reasonably correct proportions, and thereafter its exploration, settlement, and political history leaves the realm of magic and enters that of conventional history.

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