Police assaulted bystander who died - G20 - Page 2

belial · 05-04-2009, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickwhistler

Police assaulted bystander who died during G20 protests

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...-ian-tomlinson

"The man who died during last week's G20 protests was "assaulted" by riot police shortly before he suffered a heart attack, according to witness statements received by the Independent Police Complaints Commission.

Investigators are examining a series of corroborative accounts that allege Ian Tomlinson, 47, was a victim of police violence in the moments before he collapsed near the Bank of England in the City of London last Wednesday evening. Three witnesses have told the Observer that Mr Tomlinson was attacked violently as he made his way home from work at a nearby newsagents. One claims he was struck on the head with a baton.

Photographer Anna Branthwaite said: "I can remember seeing Ian Tomlinson. He was rushed from behind by a riot officer with a helmet and shield two or three minutes before he collapsed." Branthwaite, an experienced press photographer, has made a statement to the IPCC."

The rest at the link above.

Attack the Police back... the Police are nothing more than over-payed bullies.

Simple as.

eric_blair · 06-04-2009, 10:03 AM

this was posted on that story as a comment

" Daniel873
05 Apr 09, 3:38pm (about 17 hours ago)
I was outside the Bank of England at the time. I didn't see what happened to Ian Tomlinson specifically, but the account given by police seems very suspect to me. I remember tensions really started to build in the crowd around 6:45pm, at which point we'd already been "kettled" in for over six hours with nobody being allowed to leave the (now very small) area. What especially got the crowd annoyed (which I don't think has been given much attention in the press) was that there were no toilet facilities, so people had to urinate on the streets. Some people attached a large banner around some fencing and put it against a building so the women could hide behind it and have a certain degree of privacy, but it's still very degrading. By about 6:45pm the place was starting to stink and we were all walking in our own urine and everyone wanted to go home. People then started to move towards the police lines on Threadneedle Street and demand to be released and started chanting "Let us out!", but were pushed back.

Then again at around 7pm the protesters moved again but this time they went towards the police barricade on Cornhill street (there seemed to be more press at that end on the other side of the police lines so we thought we could get some attention on what was happening). The police demanded that we move back and started pushing us back with their riot shields, in response some of the protesters at the front started to sit down and refused to move, the police soon stopped pushing. After a while (I guess about 7:15pm) the riot police without any warning very aggressively and indiscriminately baton charged the entire crowd (including those sitting down), knocking at least a few dozen people to the ground, some of who were inadvertently trampled on by other fleeing protesters before getting to or being pulled to their feet. I also saw police hitting people from behind with their shields and batons (sometimes on the head) even though they were only trying to get away. This was by far the single most aggressive (and dangerous) police action during the day, and I remember thinking at the time that somebody could have been killed in that.

According to media reports Mr. Tomlinson was found dead on this very street at 7:25pm. Although as I said earlier I did not see what happened to him and do not claim to have witnessed it directly; I find it quite difficult to believe that someone within a crowd on a certain street just happened to fall dead of "natural causes" within minutes of police very violently baton charging said crowd on said street. Just what are the odds?"

kallista · 06-04-2009, 10:54 AM

Very sad.

What is wrong with these people?

alfrmo · 06-04-2009, 12:53 PM

The deliberate policy of corralling demonstrators into a so-called "controlled area" serves two purposes, the first is that demonstrators cannot go anywhere and participate in what is supposedly "legal protest" the second one is that by not allowing anyone in or out some demonstrators naturally start to panic, some may have to leave in order to get home etc, and there are always agent provocateurs placed by the state in order to stir the shit up enabling the police to go in with batons etc! it is totally provocative to detain people in this way, and makes a total mockery of the fact that we are meant to live in a democracy!

eric_blair · 06-04-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alfrmo

The deliberate policy of corralling demonstrators into a so-called "controlled area" serves two purposes, the first is that demonstrators cannot go anywhere and participate in what is supposedly "legal protest" the second one is that by not allowing anyone in or out some demonstrators naturally start to panic, some may have to leave in order to get home etc, and there are always agent provocateurs placed by the state in order to stir the shit up enabling the police to go in with batons etc! it is totally provocative to detain people in this way, and makes a total mockery of the fact that we are meant to live in a democracy!

the whole message seems to be "if you protest this is what happens"

there must be some legal infringement, unlawful imprisonment without cause etc,

joys of living in a free country eh?

belial · 06-04-2009, 01:18 PM

"Police assaulted bystander who died - G20"

Let's analyze the word 'Police' shall we?

- The Police are 'authorised' to use violence against the very people that pay them... us.

- The Police are 'authorised' to protect 'delicate' 'meetings' like G20 in order to stop us from gaining the truth.

- The Police are 'authorised' to use 'reasonable force' in order to protect the scum that rob/steal/murder (they are called 'politicians').

And what do we all do about these criminals called 'The Police'?

Nothing... zilch... back away... run a mile...

People need to grow some balls, IMO.

stickwhistler · 06-04-2009, 03:38 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...police-assault

"A riot officer came up behind him and grabbed him. It wasn't just pushing him - he'd rushed him. He went to the floor and he did actually roll. That was quite noticeable. It was the force of the impact. It was all from behind. The officer hit him twice with a baton [when he was] on the floor. So it wasn't just that the officer had pushed him - it became an assault. And then the officer picked him up from the back, continued to walk or charge with him, and threw him. He was running and stumbling. He didn't turn and confront the officer or anything like that."
Anna Branthwaite, 36, freelance photographer, south London

"I saw a man approaching the police line from my right. He was quite tall with a beer belly and short hair. I later recognised him from a picture. He was on his own. He walked up to the police across the Royal Exchange Building, towards the centre left of their line. He did not appear drunk - he was walking normally. I saw him suddenly fall back as though flung down with force. It was as though he had been spun. He fell and hit the top of his head hard. I was shocked. He lay on the ground for around 30 seconds without moving before a protester helped him up. The police did not help him at all."
Kezia Rolfe, 27, NGO researcher, Stoke Newington

"Police got into scuffles with people. They were pushing the line forward. When he got hit, police were coming forwards. He got hit near the head with a baton. I saw him fall so I moved back. But I saw him on the floor and someone picking him up - that's when I took the picture. After that, I was taking pictures of police and the dog line, and a girl came and said 'This guy needs help'. He was further back down the road."
Amiri Howe, 24, actor/musician, west London

Picture below from just after collapse.
http://www.demotiximages.com/news/ma...g-g20-protests

Ambulance guys taking him away.
http://www.javno.com/en/foto.php?id=...34&idrf=560858

keithm · 06-04-2009, 06:55 PM

IPCC orders a "managed investigation" into Mr.tomlinsons death,

yeh, a pissing stage managed investigation to protect the thug cops and satisfy the sheep.

flip side · 07-04-2009, 01:26 AM

Even if this eventually goes to court, they'll just get a coroner to instruct on what verdict the jury can give. When it comes to sad incidents like this there is never justice. Whitewash coming, you can see it now.

steevo · 07-04-2009, 01:43 AM

Very very sad

06-04-2009, 10:03 AM	#12
eric_blair Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The ear Posts: 287	this was posted on that story as a comment " Daniel873 05 Apr 09, 3:38pm (about 17 hours ago) I was outside the Bank of England at the time. I didn't see what happened to Ian Tomlinson specifically, but the account given by police seems very suspect to me. I remember tensions really started to build in the crowd around 6:45pm, at which point we'd already been "kettled" in for over six hours with nobody being allowed to leave the (now very small) area. What especially got the crowd annoyed (which I don't think has been given much attention in the press) was that there were no toilet facilities, so people had to urinate on the streets. Some people attached a large banner around some fencing and put it against a building so the women could hide behind it and have a certain degree of privacy, but it's still very degrading. By about 6:45pm the place was starting to stink and we were all walking in our own urine and everyone wanted to go home. People then started to move towards the police lines on Threadneedle Street and demand to be released and started chanting "Let us out!", but were pushed back. Then again at around 7pm the protesters moved again but this time they went towards the police barricade on Cornhill street (there seemed to be more press at that end on the other side of the police lines so we thought we could get some attention on what was happening). The police demanded that we move back and started pushing us back with their riot shields, in response some of the protesters at the front started to sit down and refused to move, the police soon stopped pushing. After a while (I guess about 7:15pm) the riot police without any warning very aggressively and indiscriminately baton charged the entire crowd (including those sitting down), knocking at least a few dozen people to the ground, some of who were inadvertently trampled on by other fleeing protesters before getting to or being pulled to their feet. I also saw police hitting people from behind with their shields and batons (sometimes on the head) even though they were only trying to get away. This was by far the single most aggressive (and dangerous) police action during the day, and I remember thinking at the time that somebody could have been killed in that. According to media reports Mr. Tomlinson was found dead on this very street at 7:25pm. Although as I said earlier I did not see what happened to him and do not claim to have witnessed it directly; I find it quite difficult to believe that someone within a crowd on a certain street just happened to fall dead of "natural causes" within minutes of police very violently baton charging said crowd on said street. Just what are the odds?" __________________ 1.6180339887[1] aware and prepared not scared

06-04-2009, 12:53 PM	#14
alfrmo Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Buckinghamshire, England. Posts: 310	Deliberate Provocation by Police! The deliberate policy of corralling demonstrators into a so-called "controlled area" serves two purposes, the first is that demonstrators cannot go anywhere and participate in what is supposedly "legal protest" the second one is that by not allowing anyone in or out some demonstrators naturally start to panic, some may have to leave in order to get home etc, and there are always agent provocateurs placed by the state in order to stir the shit up enabling the police to go in with batons etc! it is totally provocative to detain people in this way, and makes a total mockery of the fact that we are meant to live in a democracy!

06-04-2009, 01:18 PM	#16
belial Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 615	"Police assaulted bystander who died - G20" Let's analyze the word 'Police' shall we? - The Police are 'authorised' to use violence against the very people that pay them... us. - The Police are 'authorised' to protect 'delicate' 'meetings' like G20 in order to stop us from gaining the truth. - The Police are 'authorised' to use 'reasonable force' in order to protect the scum that rob/steal/murder (they are called 'politicians'). And what do we all do about these criminals called 'The Police'? Nothing... zilch... back away... run a mile... People need to grow some balls, IMO. __________________ "Never let your enemies know what you're thinking." Al Pacino

06-04-2009, 03:38 PM	#17
stickwhistler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 399	http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...police-assault "A riot officer came up behind him and grabbed him. It wasn't just pushing him - he'd rushed him. He went to the floor and he did actually roll. That was quite noticeable. It was the force of the impact. It was all from behind. The officer hit him twice with a baton [when he was] on the floor. So it wasn't just that the officer had pushed him - it became an assault. And then the officer picked him up from the back, continued to walk or charge with him, and threw him. He was running and stumbling. He didn't turn and confront the officer or anything like that." Anna Branthwaite, 36, freelance photographer, south London "I saw a man approaching the police line from my right. He was quite tall with a beer belly and short hair. I later recognised him from a picture. He was on his own. He walked up to the police across the Royal Exchange Building, towards the centre left of their line. He did not appear drunk - he was walking normally. I saw him suddenly fall back as though flung down with force. It was as though he had been spun. He fell and hit the top of his head hard. I was shocked. He lay on the ground for around 30 seconds without moving before a protester helped him up. The police did not help him at all." Kezia Rolfe, 27, NGO researcher, Stoke Newington "Police got into scuffles with people. They were pushing the line forward. When he got hit, police were coming forwards. He got hit near the head with a baton. I saw him fall so I moved back. But I saw him on the floor and someone picking him up - that's when I took the picture. After that, I was taking pictures of police and the dog line, and a girl came and said 'This guy needs help'. He was further back down the road." Amiri Howe, 24, actor/musician, west London Picture below from just after collapse. http://www.demotiximages.com/news/ma...g-g20-protests Ambulance guys taking him away. http://www.javno.com/en/foto.php?id=...34&idrf=560858 __________________ Politics is the art of making people want what you want them to want! In other words CONTROL! ________________________________ Potentia vobiscum _______________________________

06-04-2009, 10:54 AM	#13
kallista Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 416	Very sad. What is wrong with these people?

06-04-2009, 06:55 PM	#18
keithm Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: bournemouth Posts: 814	IPCC orders a "managed investigation" into Mr.tomlinsons death, yeh, a pissing stage managed investigation to protect the thug cops and satisfy the sheep.

07-04-2009, 01:26 AM	#19
flip side Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 963	Even if this eventually goes to court, they'll just get a coroner to instruct on what verdict the jury can give. When it comes to sad incidents like this there is never justice. Whitewash coming, you can see it now.

07-04-2009, 01:43 AM	#20
steevo Inactive Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 11,658	Very very sad