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Old 02-02-2007, 07:33 PM   #1
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From GEOSPIRIT @ Thread: What can we do? - How A True Master Works.....

Thanks solve_et_coagula!
This piece was very timely for me, I know someone who won't quit on the Sai Baba stuff and this should help!


Umm, Foreverspirit, I think this topic deserves it's own thread!
I can see that you are trying to indicate the connection between the Gnostics and the Illuminati but I truly think it's out of place here,
if you would like to repost it again I would love to explore this with you but by talking about it in this thread we would be hijacking this one.

Peace


GEOSPIRIT:

Thanks very much. I felt the same way when I read it. I was hesitant about posting it, now I am grateful at the outcome. I am new at posting, thanks for the advice, I will go and delete it.

I also have another valuable piece of information, but I will wait. If you like, I can send it to you and you can advise me whether to post it. Then again, maybe your quote has already advised me.

Again, thanks so very much for your inspiring reply, and here it is.
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Old 02-02-2007, 07:47 PM   #2
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Gnostics or Illuminati?

The Origins of the Gnostic Movement


One the most daunting problems posed by the Gnostic Coptic materials is the question of origins. Who wrote these documents, and where did the authors came from? It is exasperating to delve into this material with no concrete idea of its human origin in cultural, historical, or geographic terms. Even assuming that the Egyptian codices are translations of “original writings” by Gnostics who belonged to cults scattered around Egypt and the Near East, we are left in bafflement as to where the Gnostic movement originated in the first place.

A Tangled Tale

The Nag Hammadi treatises are late scribal handiwork, poorly and erratically executed. They were copied down and translated — not written — by Coptic scribes using an improvised language. The desert monks who may have understood precious little of what they were translating. We do not know anything about the condition of the Greek texts they used, or why they were charged to make these translations. This being so, my educated guess is probably as good as anyone’s: I’d say the “originals” were rough notes taken by students in the Mystery Schools, or what remained of them. The notes may have been translated into Coptic — in my opinion, a form of scribal shorthand or stenography, rather than a genuine language — as a writing exercise for the scribes, rather than to faithfully preserve the materials. This is hard to imagine, perhaps, and painful to admit. But the awful fact is, these precious documents are appallingly shoddy, flawed, and incoherent.

We know where the Nag Hammadi codices were hidden, but not who put them there, or why. (On my notion that they may have been connected with the temple of Hathor at Dendera, a stone's throw from Hag Hammadi, see When the Mysteries Died.) We have no idea where the originals may have been written and stored, but the Royal Library of Alexandria is one possibility. There is some artifactual and architectural evidence that Gnostic sects were established around the Mediterranean basin, including Palestine, close to the Dead Sea encampment of the Zaddikim. The "originals" could have originated in hundreds of places.

Beyond the question of textual origins for surviving Gnostic documents looms the larger question of the origins of the Gnostics themselves? Scholars today ignore this problem as insoluble, and unworthy of their time. Their only take interest in the Coptic materials as they reveal something about the origins of Christianity, not Gnosticism. No serious scholar considers the content of Gnostic teachings and Mystery School instruction as such to be worthy of discussion. This disregarding attitude extends to the cultural, historical, and geographical origins of the Gnostic movement.

It was not always so, however. A hundred years ago, half a century before the Nag Hammadi find, scholars working on the Berlin, Askew and Ahkmin codices, and the paraphrases of Gnostic teaching found in the polemics of the Church Fathers (that is, the dossier of the prosecution), took a deep interest in the pre-Christian origins of the movement. When Doresse published The Secret Books of the Egyptian Gnostics in 1958, there was still some debate over where the Gnostic movement originated. Amazingly, Doresse, a Catholic archeologist who was overtly hostile to the Gnostics, was the only post-Nag Hammadi scholar to cite what the Gnostics themselves had to say about the sources of their movement.

And thereby hangs a long and tangled tale.

The tale leads from Ephesus eastward past Hattusash, cold citadel of of the Hittites, and deep into Asia Minor: first to Harran, the bustling crossroads where Abraham arrived on the last leg of his exile from Ur in the Chaldees, then on to Ctesiphon, fabled for the soft heaps of amber in its marketplace, and into Parthia, home of the greatest archers in the world, past the scattered encampments of the Sabaeans, star-gazers who read in mystic trance the secrets of the thirteen heavenly Aeons, then deeper into Asia, beyond Nineveh, rich in courtesans, and beyond Hecbatana, smoke-filled city of a hundred gates, turning north toward the rugged Elbruz Mountains, and mounting to the high plain before Mount Hermon, the White Mountain of Seir, not far from the glittering, gunmetal blue of the Caspian Sea.

In plain English it leads to Azerbaijan, on the border of northwestern Iran. There, bounded to the north by the Araxes River, a high plateau fed by Lake Urmia marks the geographic matrix of the Gnostic movement. Doresse wrote: “There we find legends anterior to Gnosticism — those, for instance, which attributed a sacred character to Mount Hermon, the supposed residence of the Children of Seth at the beginning of human existence (p. 255).

Once the homeland of the Gnostic movement is located geographically (black diamond, upper center of map), a remarkable fact comes to light: the Urmian Plateau was the hidden navel of ancient cultures in Mesopotamia, aligned to the Fertile Crescent and symmetrically uniting the Near and Far East with the Mediterranean. See enlarged view of map for more details.

Star Wisdom

“Children of Seth” is the legendary name that Gnostics assigned to a sacred lineage of phosters, or revealers. The name Seth occurs in the Bible, in Genesis 4:25: “And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son, and called his name Seth. For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Adam slew.” Significantly, this is the only time it occurs. Seth belongs to “another seed,” a lineage set apart from the Judeo-Christian narrative of “sacred history.” From the inception of their story, Gnostics are situated outside the conventional narrative of Western spiritual life.

By the Sethians' own account, a tradition of secret knowledge concerning divine matters was transmitted from remote times by a succession of men and women who had mastered the illuminist method, Gnosis. The Revealers were an elite corps operating within a unique cultural and spiritual complex that emerged in prehistoric Iran: the Magian Order (MAY-gee-un). German scholars such as Gustav Widengren, Richard Reitzenstein, and M. H. Schraeder, who are largely ignored today, delved deeply into the prehistoric roots of Iranian religion known as Zurvan. This is the germ of the doctrine of cosmic duality attributed to the Persian prophet, Zoroaster, and spread throughout the world by the members of his religious order, the Magi. Reitzenstein in particular intuited that Gnostic ideas were influenced by Persian duality, or Zurvanism, but he was unable to work out how. No one since his time has done any better. The investigation is complicated by the remoteness of Iranian religion, dating to the 6th millennium BCE.

Persian duality is the great enigma in the history of religions. So far no scholar in the world, not even Mircea Eliade, has cracked the Zoroastrian nut.


Zarathustra is said to have been older than Plato by 6,000 years. He learned universal wisdom from the Good Spirit, that is the excellent understanding. His name translated into Greek, Astrothutes, means “star-worshipper" (Plato Prehistorian, p. 211).

In his elegant little book on the Gnostics, Jacques Lacarriere asserts that Gnosis was a path of illumination based upon ancient star-wisdom. The Jewish historian Josephus says that the Children of Seth were widely revered as celestial seers who “discovered the sciences of the heavenly bodies and their patterns” (Antiquities, I.68-72). All through the Near East and into Europa, the astronomer-priests of the Magian Order was known in late times as "Chaldeans," a rather misleading nickname. This term is a derivation of the Sumerian Kasdim, related to the Hebrew Chesed (a sepiroth of the Tree of Life) and Chassidim, "the pious," an ultra-conservative sect linked to the Zaddikim. The tendency of Biblical editing is to conflate Chaldean motifs with the Magian Order, conferring legitimacy on the patriarchs by way of association. Abraham's father, Terah, was a priest of the temple of the lunar god, Sin, in the city of Ur. There is a great deal of astro-mythological lore encoded in the Old Testament — evidence of Magian and Sethian influences. And, of course, the Magi figure vividly in the New Testament fable of the birth of the savior.

A scribal note written on the margin of Alciabides I, a work attributed to Plato, attests to the legend that Zoroaster lived in the 7th millenium BCE. Several other classical sources, including Aristotle, Pliny, and Plutarch, also tell us that “the Magian,” lived 6,000 years before the death of Plato. In her extraordinary and little-known book, Plato Prehistorian, Mary Settegast situates the rise of the Magian Order, the original priesthood of ancient Iranian religion, in the Age of the Twins, around 5500 BCE, a date supported by the Greek sources. Settegast refers here to Zodiacal timing based on the precession of the equinoxes.

The Age of the Twins, or Geminian Age, lasted from 6200 to 4300 BCE. The motif of duality associated with the constellation of the Twins is consistent with the central theme of Iranian religion, absolute cosmic duality, Good versus Evil. But this type of duality is not what we find in Gnostic teachings. In Not in His Image, I distinguish single-source duality from two-source duality (the two-source hologram of Philip K. Dick). The latter is typical of Gnostic writings. In the Sophia mythos, there is no internal split in the Godhead (the Pleroma), but there is an anomalous projection from it, setting up a two-world scenario.

Most historians do not use Zodiacal timing to frame historical and pre-historical research, but Settegast does so outstandingly. Indologist and mythologist Alain Danielou and cultural historian William Irwin Thompson also adopt this technique. I myself have applied it extensively for over thirty years.

Reader take note: Plotting events by precession does not require adopting the belief that the stars affect human affairs. A Zodiacal Age is framing device, comparable to a geological age (Pleistocene), an historical period (Bronze Age), or a cultural epoch (Tang Dynasty). The framework of the Ages is an heuristic tool, not an astrological con.

Precession became legitimate in academic research in 1969, due to the publication of Hamlet’s Mill by Giorgio de Santillana and Herta von Dechend, but the book does not systematically apply precession to analysis of historical events.

Settegast uses precession deftly to coordinate ancient testimony on the Magian Order with archeological research, on the one hand, and historical-religious analysis, on the other.In my own researches with the master tool of precession, the Dendera Zodiac, I have found that Zodiacal Ages correlate to known historical and archeological evidents with impressive consistency, and often in astonishing detail. Axis C of the Dendera Zodiac, dated to 5,600 BCE, marks the Age of the Twins. A white marble figure of the "double goddess" from Catal Huyuk VI (pictured here, from Mellaart, The Archeology of Ancient Turkey, p. 21) clearly present the Twins motif. At Catal Huyuk archeologists have found twelve successive layers of building, representing distinct stages of the city and reflecting different eras of its history. The top layers of the mound, containing the most recent buildings, are dated at 5,600 BCE, the date of Axis C and the double goddess relic. I could offer dozens of similar examples....

Hidden Navel

Astronomer priests of the Magian Order and other skywatching seers from Hibernia to the Indus Valley would have used precessional timing to track the course of human experience over the long term. The Magi brought this method down from the Urmian Plateau and spread it throughout the Fertile Crescent. At Eridu (Ur in the Chaldees), directly south from the hidden navel of the Gnostic movement, precessional timing would have been imparted to the first Sumerian theocrats. But once it was turned over to state-supported priests and social controllers of the early Near Eastern theocracies, precession lost its value as a tool for educational planning and guidance. The telestai consecrated to guiding humanity fell into conflict with other Magians whose aims were political. The eventual split in the Magian Order devolved upon such arcane matters.

The period when the Gnostic movement emerged in prehistory is identified archeologically by the Hajii Firuz culture (5500 – 5000 BCE) of northwestern Iran and Turkmenia. It is centered on the Urmia basin, exactly where Gnostics located their spiritual hearth. The culture is named after an excavated site at the southern end of Lake Urmia, due east of Lake Van in Armenia. Over Lake Van looms Mount Ararat, where Noah’s ark is said to have come to rest. Over Lake Urmia looms Mount Kuh-I-Khwaga, the “White Mountain of Seir” held sacred by Gnostics down into a period some five or six thousand years after their tradition was founded there. (Map detail from Mary Settegast, Plato Prehistorian. Radius of circle, about 165 miles.)

A legend hinted in Coptic codices says that the Revealer lineage began at the Mountain of Seir with one illumined couple, Seth and his consort, Norea. Mandaeans of the Iraq marshes, whose beliefs show many similarities to Gnosticism, recount a parallel legend of a founding couple, Anosh-Uthra and Yohanna, who established their base at the White Mountain. Seir is an Indo-Iranian root, cognate with Syr and Shri, “holy, hallowed, sacred.” Urmia derives from the ancient Persian word for water. Lake Urmia is an UNESCO Biosphere Reserve.

According to an ancient legend that survives locally to this day, the lakeside city of Urmia was the birthplace of Zoroaster.

“A very old Magian center was located at Lake Urmia,” Settegast writes (p. 215). Some traces of this early settlement survive on the ground. Excavations at Hajii Firuz have produced rich archeological evidence, including a fired ceramic dish from the Halafian culture of Palestine, contemporary with it — i.e., the dish was brought to Urmia from Palestine. The décor shows the sixteen petal motif, the signature of the Mystery cells. (Settegast, plate 121a.) It is likely that the organization of the Mystery cults in the Near East, as well as the technique and teaching they transmitted, derive from the remote Iranian matrix.

The Magian Order spread from the Urmia basin in all directions: northward into the Caucasus mountains, southward into Iraq, eastward toward India, and westward into Asia Minor and Europe. But as dissemination proceeded, the Order gradually split into two distinct branches, Gnostics and Illuminati, as we might now call them. Each branch operated on different motives and methods.

Masters of Learning

Iraniologists have found the problem of the Magi to be one of the most compelling, as well as one of the most difficult, in the history of the ancient world (Settegast, p. 215).

Within the Order, Gnostics were given the title of vaedemna, “seer, wise one,” as distinguished from the priest, the zoatar, who officiated openly in society and advised Middle Eastern theocrats on matters of statecraft and social morality, not to mention agricultural planning — for Zoroaster was by all accounts responsible for the introduction of planned, large-scale agriculture.

Iraniologists consider the problem of the Magi to be one of the most compelling, as well as one of the most difficult, in the history of the ancient world.

The Parsi word zoatar is the origin of the Greek word soter, “savior.” Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition presents various permutations of the soter or redeemer figure. Redemptive religion, based on a superhuman agent who implements the will of the paternal deity, is termed soteriological. In Hebrew religion, this agent is the messiah, conceived either as a human person, the King of the Jews, or a superhuman entity such as Melchizedek (Zaddikim cult). In Christianity, it is Jesus as the incarnation of Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, following the hybrid theology of Saint Paul. In Islam, the redeemer figure is plural, assuming the form of various Imams and hidden masters. The Sunni-Shi'ite conflict is about the succession of Imans after Mohammed. In all cases the soter is a patriarchal figure, the central authority in a theocratic cult whose ultimate aim, make no mistake, is to dominate the entire world by imposing a social-spiritual order based on the dictates of an off-planet father god who speaks exclusively to white male demagogues (WMDs).

Persian soteriology is the origin of the One World Order shared today by neocon schemers and New Age fantatists alike Over centuries, it produced the master plan of the Magians who went into social engineering, "the Illuminati," by contrast to the telestai or Gnostics who restricted their work to educational and spiritual guidance. In the Coptic codices soter occurs frequently to designate the Gnostic master or teacher. But another term, phoster, is closer to the meaning of vaedemna, a wise or illuminated person (cognates: veda, vidya, wisdom, wit). Lest the reader despair, believing that I am unduly quibbling over terms, I must point out that a huge problem for humanity hinges on the difference between a seer and a priest, especially a state-sponsored priest. Mary Settegast astutely notes that Iraniologists “hold conflicting views regarding the historical milieu of the prophet.” The crucial problem is this:

At one extreme Zarathustra has been described as a primitive ecstatic, a kind of ‘shaman,’; at the other, as a worldly familiar of Chorasmian kings and court politics (p. 215 ff).

Here is that distinction that has baffled all scholars: between the shaman-seer and the sacerdotal priest who plays a hand in court politics. For the latter, agriculture was part of a sacred vocation. Since the cultivation of the earth was central to Zoroaster’s message, “missionary priests would presumably have been as well-versed in agricultural technique as in religious dogma… Irrigation, fertilization, cattle breeding, would have been part of a missionary’s wisdom” (p. 220). Does this sound creepily familiar? In the mission of the Zoroastrian Magi who took control of social organization under the theocratic paradigm, we have the ancient model of invasive colonialism and all it entails, a model still in operation today.

Now consider the nother side to the story. According to scholarly opinion today and popular tradition in ancient times, the Magi were regarded, not as missionaries with a state agenda to execute, but “dedicated servants of the Gods” and “masters of learning, credited with initiating the ‘cosmological sciences,’ the study of not only the heavens, but the elements and kingdoms of earth” (p. 215ff). Who are we describing here? Missionaries or visionaries? Enlightened emissaries of high culture or self-seeking colonialists?

Guides and Leaders

Within the limits of the present (long) article, I can do no more than introduce the issue of the Magi, “one of the most compelling, as well as one of the most difficult, in the history of the ancient world,” as Mary Settegast observes. This is not just a problem for scholars, however, it is a matter that concerns the very fate of humanity. It determines the way we view human potential and how we frame moral and ethical criteria by which society is guided. This long and tangled tale from northwestern Iran brings us to the core issue of human social experience: how we define what is evil, what works against life.

To summarize: Gnostics came from the Magian Order, but, in some crucial way, they were at odds with it as well. The Gnostic movement identified by scholars through the Coptic writings from Nag Hammadi and elsewhere was a spin-off from the Magian Order, even a sort of defection. The conflict within the Order was due mainly to two factors, one ideological and the other practical. Ideologically, Gnostic seers rejected the conflictual dualism of the Zurvan priesthood. Reitzenstein and others who placed the origins of Gnosticism in Iranian duality did not have enough source material to recognize that Gnostic dualism is a two-world system, not a split-source system. By split source, I mean that good and evil come from the same source. Gnostics rigorously denied this view. This is, however, the central Zoroastrian doctrine, inherited by an extremist sect of Palestine, the Zaddikim of the Dead Sea, and absorbed into Christianity like a lethal virus.

Today, delivering the State of the Union address, the American president relies heavily on the rhetoric of split-source dualism. We the good guys, them the bad guys. Gnostics considered that the problem facing humanity was not evil, but error. Absolute opposition of good and evil was an erroneous concept, and completely alien to their worldview. Gnostic ideas are wonderfully finessed, and their teachings are most finely nuanced when it comes to the problems of error and human responsibility. One finds none of this sophistication in the rigid, conflictual dualism of Zoroaster.

On the second matter, the practical aspect, the “primitive ecstatic, or shaman” would and could not act as a political animal. Shamans are intermediaries between society and the Otherworld, the Unknown. The vaedemna does not enter into the politics of social control, not even to proffer advice, because he or she is consumed with other priorities. For Gnostic seers, the priorities were to maintain the lineage of the Revealers, preserve the sacred method of instruction by the Divine Light, and teach and transmit what they knew to the world at large. They were consecrated to a sacred aim, a telos, that embraced two dimensions: the art of guidance and the work of culture-making. They did guide others, but they did not manipulate them in the way the zaotar or state-priest did. They guided individuals by mystic instruction and the example of character. In short, they maintained a rigorous boundary between their consecrated aim, to teach, and the political ambition to lead. The best guides are not leaders. The best guides are like spies, who do not like to be followed.

As Dylan sang long ago, "Don't follow leaders, watch ya parkin' meters."

Know-It-Alls

In his definitive study, “The History of the Term 'Gnostikos' ”, religious historian Morton Smith wrote that “gnostikos was not a common word.” He notes that respected initiates such as the Pagan emperor Marcus Aurelius did not use it. Neither was it common in Greek-language Judaism. It seems to have been used for the first time by Plato! In the Politicus 258e-267a, Plato refers to gnostike techne, “the art of knowing,” or perhaps “the art of managing things known,” in order to argue that “the ideal politician is defined as the master of the gnostic art” (italics mine). Plato asserts that “if such a being were to appear he would be a god come down to rule mankind.”

Well, there it is, as plain as day: Plato plays the deification card. His notion of a gnostikos is an expert advisor in theocratic government. i.e., rulership by the gods or those descended from gods. Buyt how can this be. It is known that Plato was initiated at Eleusis. If he had intimate contact with telestai, how could he have embraced and endorsed the program of the Illuminati, the Magians who run the theocratic agenda?

I would suggest that the answer lies in well-known analogy of Plato's Cave. According to this metaphor, objects in the sensory world are mere shadows cast by the Eidos, the divine Forms in the supersensory realm. But the Organic Light casts no shadow. I conclude that Plato, though initiated, never witnessed the Organic Light, the secret medium of Mystery instruction. Had he done so, he would never have invented the analogy of the Cave.

A fragment of Plato's manifesto of Illuminati statecraft, The Republic, is found translated into Coptic at Nag Hammadi (Codex VI, 5). This is the oldest text in the NHL, dating to almost 700 years earlier than the other documents. Yet no scholar has remarked on the highly unusual fact of its inclusion into the corpus. I have pointed out before that the guardians of the Mysteries did not call themselves gnostikoi, but telestai, "those who are aimed." It is known that gnostokoi was the term directed at them in ridicule by the Church Fathers: "smart-ass, know-it-all." I maintain that the telestai renounced this name because it was associated (via Plato) with the social engineers and special advisors of theocracy.

It is significant that the sole instance of a Gnostic sect known to have called themselves gnostokoi was a group of Carpocratians led by a woman named Marcellina. The Carpocratians tended to embrace the Hindu doctrine of avataric descent, i.e., flesh-and-blood embodiment of superhuman beings — an element of the theocratic scenario. The group led by Marcellina "had pictures and statues of many great teachers who were held in honor by their school, such as Pythagoras, Plato, and Aristotle, and also a portrait of Jesus," according to the report of Origen (G. R. S. Mead, Fragments of a Faith Forgotten, p. 232ff). The cult of personality was totally incompatible with the mission and demeanor of the telestai. They would never have tolerated such statues, but glorification of "great men" is typical of the theocratic agenda.

The telestai maintained anonymity within their role as mystics and guardians of the Mysteries, although as teachers working openly in society, they of course had names and social identities. In other words, they did not parade their connection to the Mysteries for social standing or prestige. The names ascribed to Gnostics and initiates were actually titles rather than proper names: Asklepios (Aesculapius), for instance. The names of very few Gnostics - Simon Magus, Valentinus, Basilides, Hypatia - have come down to us.
" The kindly old gentleman with the wise and benevolent snake" is an archetype or icon of a telestes, not a real-life portrait. "Statues of Christ have sometimes owed something to statues of Asklepios. The consort of the physician was Health (Hygeia)... As for the snake, he is the most important person in the sanctuary." (Statue from Epidauros, Roman period. Atlas of the Greek World, p. 162)


Today we use the insult "Gnostic" to characterize the ancient movement whose members opposed, not only their own self-glorification, but the theocratic program of great men and male leaders established and enforced by the politically oriented Magians.

Conclusion

Theocracy, the prototype of patriarchal rule, is the trump card of the victim-perpetrator game, as I explain at length in Not in His Image. If the tyrant who afflicts and rewards his people can convince them he is appointed to do so by god, or that he himself is a god, then divine authority rules the day (as Constantine, the faux convert, understood so well). But theocracy, and the entire dominator complex it focalizes, was totally alien to the telestic mission to teach, enlighten, guide, enrich — in short, to encourage and cultivate human potential. The will to control and manipulate human potential can never be reconciled with such a mission. This is why the original Gnostics, adepts of shamanic ecstasy who taught from instruction by the Light, defected from the Magian Order. The Order around in the Urmian Plato in the Age of the Twins, around 6000 BCE. The split devolved after 4400 BCE, when the vernal point was shifting from the Bull into the Ram.

The Age of the Ram (c. 2000 - 120 BCE) is the era of Abraham and the rise of patriarchy, including the Roman Empire. Alexander the Great ruled the ancient world when the spring equinox was located in the head-stars of the Ram, known as Amun to the Egyptians. Consequently, Alexander had himself pictured on coins with the horns of Amun, and he staged an initiation at the Amun sanctuary of Siwa with the purpose of having himself elevated to a god-like status (yet another example of historical and artifactual verification of precessional timing). All this is totally consistent with the advancement of theocratic agenda in the Arien Age.

From their ancestral ground in the northwestern Iran, Gnostics would have been able to observe developments in the Fertile Crescent, including the rise of mass-scale agriculture and urbanization. Their status as nomadic sages, the famous “Chaldeans” of antiquity, would have given them every advantage to observe three momentous developments: the shift from the sacrificial king (primary scapegoating, the pharmakon method), to the sacred king (modified rite, requiring the hieros gamos, sacred mating with the Goddess, to assure the human worthiness of the king ), to the redeemer king (men anointing men, and to hell with sacred mating). They could not have closely analyzed this progression, not detected the pathological violence driven by redemptive beliefs as deeply as we can, however. At least, I don’t think so. The sheer force of it may even have taken them by surprise, not to mention the insidiousness of Illuminati techniques, perverting the regenerative rites of the Mysteries....



View of Lake Urmia with salt crystals and island
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We are at the other end of the long drama that began by the shore of Lake Urmia, with 2000 years worth of hindsight on the Illuminati program and what the message of divine love packaged in the redeemer complex can do to life on a small, lonely planet.

http://www.metahistory.org/GnosticOrigins.php
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If it's not the Illuminati it's the Jesuits/Masons etc (or are they all the same principle?). Now it's the Gnostics?

Knowing something regarding modern gnostic belief, I can catagorically inform you that they do not trouble themselves with the current affairs of man. They seem to be interested in nothing more than personal development. They court no publicity for their organisations, they in fact shy away from it. Though I am dubious as to the intentions of the current hierarchy.
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If it's not the Illuminati it's the Jesuits/Masons etc (or are they all the same principle?). Now it's the Gnostics?

Knowing something regarding modern gnostic belief, I can catagorically inform you that they do not trouble themselves with the current affairs of man. They seem to be interested in nothing more than personal development. They court no publicity for their organisations, they in fact shy away from it. Though I am dubious as to the intentions of the current hierarchy.
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Today we use the insult "Gnostic" to characterize the ancient movement whose members opposed, not only their own self-glorification, but the theocratic program of great men and male leaders established and enforced by the politically oriented Magians.
If you don’t know that the word "Gnostic" is a swearwords on Christian forums Andrew then you don't know much about how the term is perceived: not to all, but to enough: that’s certainly nothing to do with this article, instead, it is addressing this problem of perception, not creating one!

When considering different philosophies forming or connecting to illuminism, it’s necessary to have a very fluid state of mind: we perceive a multiplicity of intentions working with the same knowledge streams: there is positive and negative illuminisms, both are ultimately flawed, there is the Gnostic tradition. The shamanic tradition: if we have one fixed view it can only reflect a fraction of the whole. However different these religions etc appear they all connect into the ONE, the creator of this reality (and infinitely more)
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Old 06-02-2007, 05:20 AM   #7
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experimentation with gnosticism is what leads to illuminati.
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Do you see these medals? I said: DO YOU SEE THESE MEDALS, SIR! I earned these fighting the Fuzzy-Wuzzies with General Gordon. What have you done of merit with your life? Why, I ought to thrash you with my Masonic Cane! You offend me, sir! You twit!
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Gnosticism is the cornerstone of the masonic ideal... The transformation of the man into a god. They use techniques which date back to ancient Egypt... and which you will experience if you happen to be strange fruit from the old family tree...

I was put through so many illumination programmes it got boring so I decided to play along and get illuminated... it sucked I'd advise against it. Imagine being on acid for the rest of your life... That's what 'illumination' felt like for me. Still I can control reality to quite a large extent which takes the boredom off.. Anyway, I managed to take the edge off and now have a normal perception with some unbelievable memories of what happened.

The fruit of gnosticism is visible all around us is the world we live in...
The belief that this world is a deviant creation and that somehow we have to fight for some personal salvation makes the world some kind of obstacle course programme which is just what it has become..

It's a shame because the world could be a nice place instead of some odd testing centre for our souls... Anyway, most people who undergo the schizognostic transformation find it impossible to accept their gnosis and so they become part of a deviant gang of disenfranchised and disenchanted world haters. These gents are the masons. They in turn continue to build obstacles to trip up as many people as they can in order to stage a protest against God...

You cannot learn what gnosis is by reading about it. In my experience it wasn't even a choice. It was forced upon me (which I'm actually glad about, but only because I survived the ordeal without too many loose screws). You have to experience it, and once you've done that it's a question of destiny whether you end up on medication, a suicide, a mason, or... an enlightened and lonely wanderer like myself..

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I was put through so many illumination programmes it got boring so I decided to play along and get illuminated...
This sounds very interesting! Can you give us examples of the programs and techniques used?

What differentiates the illuminated from the non-illuminated?
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From being on Gnostic forums for the past year, and reading the Gnostic Bible and lots of websites, my understanding is that they believe the universe is flawed because its creator is flawed. They call this creator the Demiurge or Halfmaker because he was supposedly half divine, and that his mother was Sophia.

I can very very much identify with how obvious it is that the universe is flawed, but how did they arrive at the belief that its because of a flawed creator? Is that creator One Consciousness? How did Oneness become flawed, especially if that is all that can and does exist?

They also say that because it is flawed it will be done away with, by the Gnostic Christ/Jesus.
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This sounds very interesting! Can you give us examples of the programs and techniques used?



What differentiates the illuminated from the non-illuminated?
Techniques involve creating uncertainty and fear in the minds of the candidate through role play and false friends... The mind is opened until absolute terror and confusion reign and reality becomes fluid enough to be modified. Dream and reality become one. The subconcious mind starts to take over from the logical left brain...not necessarily a good thing.. A nightmare that you cannot wake up from..


Schizophrenia is what differentiates the illuminated from the non illuminated.
To a schizophrenic the world is a vision of purest hell. Schizophrenia is a heightened sense of perception.. more sensitive, even to the point of being able to read people's minds... the world assaults the schizophrenic as a sensory nightmare, everything is scary and terrifying, there is even the possibilty of being sensitive to spirits.

In this state all of the symbols the masons have sown make sense, buildings come alive with the real meaning of architecture (gothic architecture is pure menace for example) I saw a church which had been built to resemble a huge red dragon...

BUT... the schizophrenic has incredible knowledge and awareness, it is no coincidence that schizophrenia is referred to as the 'shaman's illness'...

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Schizophrenia is often described as a disorder of the filtering mechanisms in the brain that allows too much information into conscious awareness. We are all constantly hallucinating, but our brains filter out this information so we can focus on tigers and procreation. Dreams, hypnogogic states, trance, sleep deprivation, hallucinogens and other techniques can interfere with our filtering mechanisms.

Controlled access to the subconscious can be useful for creativity and individuation. This increased mindfulness is the goal of psychoanalysis and meditation.

The experiences you describe sound terrible! Throwing open the mind's filtering mechanism would seem like a nightmare! In some cultures (certain parts of India and some indigenous American cultures), schizophrenics are felt to be closer to the Divine or the spirit world. They are taken care of by the community, and are respected for the gifts they have to share. In a non-toxic culture, schizophrenia is experienced as a gift rather than a sensory nightmare. I am sorry you had such a terrible experience. Thank you for sharing more information.

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In a non-toxic culture, schizophrenia is experienced as a gift rather than a sensory nightmare. I am sorry you had such a terrible experience. Thank you for sharing more information.
You've absolutely got it Finger... We do live in a toxic culture and it is clear enough to see without having the filter removed. WITH the filter removed the world takes on a vision of pure hell.

The conspiracy angle is that this state of 'hell' is being perfected on a daily basis due to the increasing violence and horror of slasher flicks and even mainstream Hollyweird movies...

Now it is clear that the same forces which are trying to illuminate people on a larger scale than ever before seen (by which I mean, induce schizophrenia) are also creating a vision of hell that will greet the initiate when they are illuminated.

My reasoning at the time was therefore that they (perhaps a dominant Catholic body like the Jesuits) are attempting to trap people into joining the masons, becoming illuminated and waking up in hell. As a kind of morality play where the candidate is actually punished for not being able to resist the call of the occult.

Nothing else makes sense... Why continually create a toxic horror culture for so called 'perfected souls' to wake up into? It makes no sense. I think they may be pushing for armageddon. I think they are trying to raise enough horror in the initiate that the initiates wish push for the destruction of earth. They are harvesting this psychic power in an attempt to wipe the slate clean on the builders failed civilisation.
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