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Old 07-03-2013, 10:43 AM   #4401
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The top photo in this post is faked. It's a montage. Look at the inconsistent shadows of the various coat sleeves. Von Braun is cut from another photo and pasted in as are the various German officers (possibly faked by actors?). You will also note the gloating Talmudic pi$$take present in many of these propaganda psyop images. The two guys on the extreme right appear to be the same person shot from different angles and pasted in...... some of the other clown actors also appear to be twins.........lmao!........

Perhaps German possession/use of the V2 during WW2 was a scaremongering lie perpetrated by the allies and Operation Paperclip was cunningly scripted to provide credibility for the hoax? It would also lay the desired fear seeds for the coming Cold War Hoax and missile delivered fake Nuclear Weapons Hoax.........

The bottom one with Kennedy may also be faked.....difficult to tell.

Anyhoo.....a crafty attempt to smear Kennedy with Nazi associations. Kennedy had woken up to the AskaNazi Jew World Order and was prepared to take it on in the USA with non-debt backed currency. That's why he was assassinated..........
Correction......some of the other clown actors also appear to be triplets!

Though related to this thread my observation is slightly off topic so I'll do a detailed annotated analysis of the photo on another thread.

Since spotting the fakery in the photo I've done a bit of Googling and it appears other researchers have already suggested the V1/V2 terror weapons were a psyop hoax and compelling faked film evidence has been discovered in support of this contention........Laters......

Re: Fake Buchenwald photo..........Great demonstration by Believenothing of how to kick a $ayanim liar's ar$e.........
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Old 07-03-2013, 11:20 AM   #4402
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Correction......some of the other clown actors also appear to be triplets!
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The following lists contain names of engineers, scientists and technicians specializing in rocketry who originally came from Germany but spent most of their careers working for the NASA space program in Huntsville, Alabama.

Particularly after World War II many technicians left Germany to pursue further rocket projects in the U.S. The majority had been involved with the V-2 in Peenemünde, and 127 of them eventually entered the U.S. through Operation Paperclip. They were also known as the Von Braun Group.[1]

Before and after Operation Paperclip, other German experts arrived in the US by individual immigration without government links and would only later join various space projects, primarily at NASA.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...Paperclip.html
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fea...vonbraun_4.php
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With 120 of his associates, von Braun was brought to the U.S. as part of "Operation Paperclip" in order to demonstrate their achievements with V-2 rockets. He arrived in the U.S. in September 1945 under contract to the U.S. Army. During the following five years, he directed high-altitude firings of V-2 rockets at the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico and was project director of the guided missile development unit at Fort Bliss, Texas.
Von Braun and other German scientists brought to the United States as part of "Operation Paperclip" were members of the Nazi Party, but the United States Government decided to keep quiet about that, because the United States Government knew that if they didn't brought these German scientists to the United States as quickly as possible, then the Russians would have taken them in their possession instead, and the Americans would then risk left themselves a further step behind the Russians in the Cold War and the space race:
NASA had been working very hard to sent out an astronaut in attempt to be the first man in space, but suddenly, Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space instead. The americans were frustrated and sad about that it was not an american who became the first man in space, NASA employees *punched* their fist on the table shouting >>DAMN RUSSIANS!<<. Later same year 1961, President John F. Kennedy then challenged his own nation and the Soviet Union, *punched* his fist on the table saying to the crowd >>We will haaave an American on the Moon within the eeend of the 1960's as a goal!<<
And these 3 Cosmonauts not only became heroes of the Soviet Union, they also automatically got a high position in Kremlin
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Though related to this thread my observation is slightly off topic so I'll do a detailed annotated analysis of the photo on another thread.
Then why bother let yourself being slightly off topic, huh? What a waste of your precious time posting that photo then, don't you think?
You know what? I suggest you should say to yourself >>I 'kaito' will do myself a favor and put that photo on another thread, what a good idea...<<
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Since spotting the fakery I've done a bit of Googling and it appears other researchers have already suggested the V1/V2 terror weapons were a psyop hoax and compelling evidence has been discovered in support of this contention........Laters......
The V1 and V2 program was NOT a hoax.
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Re: Fake Buchenwald photo...
Like i previously said, only the "Elie Wiesel" part of that photo is a fraud, while the rest of the people shown in that photo are real http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...75373&page=219
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Anyhoo.....a crafty attempt to smear Kennedy with Nazi associations. Kennedy had woken up to the AskaNazi Jew World Order and was prepared to take it on in the USA with non-debt backed currency. That's why he was assassinated..........
*Sigh* , JFK was NOT assassinated just because Von Braun was once a member of the Nazi Party. JFK was assassinated for completely other reasons. You are waaay off track here. President Harry S. Truman was not assassinated just because he allowed Wernher Von Braun to arrive at Fort Strong, Massachusetts on September, 1945, was he? Nope. As the matter of fact, the rest of the Government officials were in fact very relieved and satisfied with Truman allowing Wernher Von Braun and the other German scientists to move in to the United States...

Let me explain to you why JFK was assassinated, http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...74729&page=254 , both Kennedy brothers had affair with Marilyn Monroe, and during their "pillow talk" with Marilyn, both Kennedys told Marilyn about the crashed UFO case and JFK's visit to a military base to inspect crashed UFO and dead alien bodies. When the Kennedys discovered there was a risk of scandal about JFK's relationship with Marilyn Monroe to be exposed to the public, the Kennedys suddenly cut off their relationship to Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn tried to call JFK several times, but JFK refused to answer her phone calls. Marilyn then felled abused by the Kennedy brothers and threatened to hold a press conference and expose her relationship with the Kennedys and about their plans to kill Fidel Castro, and JFKs' knowledge about crashed UFO and alien bodies. One day, Bobby Kennedy threatened Marilyn by saying to her something like this >>You begin to stay in my way, i have the power to do away with people who stay in my way<<. Later, she was found murdered in her own home, she never made her planned press conference...

It is theorized there could be many reasons why the Secret Shadow Government wanted to eliminate JFK. He wanted to stop the Vietnam War as soon as possible, he reportedly wanted to change how the banks rule the money, he reportedly wanted to change the CIA, he reportedly wanted to release secret files on UFO and Extraterrestrial visitation to the public, and then he also made the speech about Secret Societies The Secret Societies is allegedly run by Draconian Reptilian humanoid beings, who allegedly "forced" the Bush family to finance Hitler's war campaign, allegedly behind 911, and what else these Draconian Reptilian beings allegedly have orchestrated.

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Old 07-03-2013, 05:04 PM   #4403
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'resistance', First, he could face maximum 10 years in prison, not 20 as you falsely claim, Second, David Irving says that he changed his views in 1991, which means he did NOT change his views on the day of his trial in early 2006
You must be talking about a different David Irving. I'm not aware of the other one. The one I'm talking about still gives speeches. In fact he toured parts of America only in 2012. And is still banned from a number of countries for so called holocaust denial. On his tour of the United States his Minneapolis speaking event on nov 16th was disrupted and vandalised, by dozens of so called anti-fascists. His books and videos were destroyed at the event. That doesn't sound like somebody who's changed his views to me. It sounds like somebody they're trying to silence. Truth doesn't fear scrutiny, neither does it need laws or voilence to be upheld. Why would parts of history have to be sustained by passing laws to suppress free speech? These thugs that turn up and use violence at speeches to try and silence people have a strange idea of freedom of speech.
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Old 07-03-2013, 07:28 PM   #4404
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You must be talking about a different David Irving.
'resistance', do you remember what i asked you in this http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...=237140&page=9 thread? You said >>Well, I wasn't saying that you called me a nazi. I meant people in general<<, and then i said to you >>So people in general call you Nazi, huh... Excuse me, but i can't help asking you, are you suffering of paranoid schizophrenia? Do you "hear voices" and do you feel being "Watched"?<<. But now i also have to ask you, are you also suffering of hallucination disease? Do you "see people" who are not supposed to be there?
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The one I'm talking about still gives speeches. In fact he toured parts of America only in 2012.
In early 2006, David Irving was convicted 3 years in jail, so he should be out from jail long time ago, that's why you noticed he toured parts of America these years.
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And is still banned from a number of countries for so called holocaust denial.
I don't feel sorry for him. In my opinion he should not be allowed to hold speeches in any country, he should be banned for good.
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On his tour of the United States his Minneapolis speaking event on nov 16th was disrupted and vandalised, by dozens of so called anti-fascists.
Yeah, it's about time Irving's speaking event finally got disrupted and vandalised, huh. It's no wonder his event got disrupted and vandalised, wouldn't you agree, huh?
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His books and videos were destroyed at the event.
Good. Let's pour some petrol on his vandalised books and videos and set it on fire

And let me repeat this, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/4733820.stm
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He admitted that in 1989 he had denied that Nazi Germany had killed millions of Jews. He said this is what he believed, until he later saw the personal files of Adolf Eichmann, the chief organiser of the Holocaust.

>>I said that then based on my knowledge at the time, but by 1991 when I came across the Eichmann papers, I wasn't saying that anymore and I wouldn't say that now,<< Irving told the court.

>>The Nazis did murder millions of Jews.<<

On Monday, before the trial began, he told reporters: >>I'm NOT a Holocaust denier. Obviously, I've changed my views.<<
And as you can see and hear from the above "Holocaust on trial 2000" David Irving insist that he is NOT a denier of the Holocaust, and he said that back in the year of 2000. So you see, David Irving is convinced that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews...

'resistance', come on, you better kneel down and say these words >>Yes, i 'resistance' finally agree with David Irving that the Nazis did in fact murdered millions of Jews<<

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Old 08-03-2013, 05:11 AM   #4405
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Holocaust deniers cant debate falconeye's.

Great post falconeye's,

As the member garyicke said.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=81

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Old 08-03-2013, 07:59 AM   #4406
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I find it quite bizarre that, as far as I can ascertain, voting 'no' in this poll is a criminal offence in a number of countries:

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Old 08-03-2013, 08:54 AM   #4407
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I find it quite bizarre that, as far as I can ascertain, voting 'no' in this poll is a criminal offence in a number of countries:

Laws against Holocaust denial

(English Subs) Sylvia Stolz, a German Lawyer who was jailed for presenting evidence in the defense of her client in the criminal court trial in Germany of so-called holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, tells her story at the AZK (Anti-Censorship-Coalition) Conference in Switzerland, in November 2012. In 2008, she was banned from speaking during the trial, barred from presenting evidence, and criminally charged with contempt of court, and with inciting contempt, and charged under the same section of the German Criminal Code as her client, and subsequently imprisoned for 3 years. She is also barred from practicing law.. After giving this presentation in Switzerland, she is now again facing criminal charges, as is the host and organizer of the AZK, Mr. Ivo Sasek.
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The only thing it accomplishes is temp bans of people who actually contribute to this forum, which is his entire purpose for being here.
Did you just said these socalled Holocaust deniers posting all that bullsh!t that is destroying for debates on this forum actually contribute to this forum??? You say they contribute to this forum??? Really? Let me guess, you're just spreading your pathetic outright lies.

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Old 08-03-2013, 09:23 AM   #4409
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Holocaust deniers cant debate falconeye's.

Great post falconeye's,

As the member garyicke said.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=81

Thanks 'boots', i'm honored. Also nice to see the words from 'garyicke'
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OK I think I've found the video mentioned in the story above:


Taken at face value it would appear that Dr. Franciszek Piper is breaking German law:

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§ 130 Public Incitement (1985, Revised 1992, 2002, 2005)
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(3) Whoever publicly or in a meeting approves of, denies or belittles an act committed under the rule of National Socialism of the type indicated in Section 6 subsection (1) of the Code of Crimes against International Law, in a manner capable of disturbing the public peace shall be punished with imprisonment for not more than five years or a fine.

§ 6 Genocide

(1) Whoever with the intent of destroying as such, in whole or in part, a national, racial, religious or ethnic group:

kills a member of the group,
causes serious bodily or mental harm to a member of the group, especially of the kind referred to in section 226 of the Criminal Code,
inflicts on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in part,
imposes measures intended to prevent births within the group,
forcibly transfers a child of the group to another group, shall be punished with imprisonment for life. (...)[26]
Do you think Dr. Franciszek Piper should be prosecuted, falconeyes?
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(English Subs) Sylvia Stolz, a German Lawyer who was jailed for presenting evidence in the defense of her client in the criminal court trial in Germany of so-called holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, tells her story at the AZK (Anti-Censorship-Coalition) Conference in Switzerland, in November 2012. In 2008, she was banned from speaking during the trial, barred from presenting evidence, and criminally charged with contempt of court, and with inciting contempt, and charged under the same section of the German Criminal Code as her client, and subsequently imprisoned for 3 years. She is also barred from practicing law.. After giving this presentation in Switzerland, she is now again facing criminal charges, as is the host and organizer of the AZK, Mr. Ivo Sasek.
AZK - Sylvia Stolz - Lawyer Who Was Jailed for Presenting Evidence in the Zundel Trial (full) - YouTube
If hearing what Sylvia Stolz has to say in this interview isn't prove enough to somebody that something is very wrong here, then nothing ever will be. The fact she's now facing more charges just for saying it, makes it become even more self evident.

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Old 08-03-2013, 06:09 PM   #4412
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I agree with the action to ignore - I usually scroll past ( but not always)and get on with reading the content that has the truth , these days any genuine seeker in this realm doesn't have far to go - who , what , how and why this massive indoctrination of hollowco$t propaganda has taken place and rooted in the psyche of the general public, is now very obvious - not so several years back - but now the basics' of the BIG LIE which all humanity is suffering under the result of ,is very evident to anyone willing to see though it.
People are waking up to WHO and WHY. This scares them more than anything else - even if it's only to look at their own tribe with open eyes - not a parrot.

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Spread by LIES!? Over 60 million lice were killed in the making of your movie. Congratulations.

Red Cross Death Count
http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?t=6811

Deaths In German Concentration Camps
by Arthur R. Butz
http://codoh.com/library/document/1028
The Holocaust Reviewed: Part One
How Many Jews Were Killed?
http://www.cephas-library.com/israel...r%20Vastly.htm
Shrinking Stats:
Deaths in German Prison Camps From 1933 To 1945
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Othe...CampDeaths.htm
On The Roads Of Truth: Searching For Warwick Hester
by Klaus Schwensen
http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/a...ick_hester.php
Six Million Swindle
http://ccfiile.com/Six_Million_Swindle.html

The International Red Cross January 16, 1984 Audit Records A Total 282,077 Deaths Of All Internees In All German Camps From All Causes
Esau/Edom, And The Trail Of The Serpent - XII
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bb981128.htm
Shrinking Stats:
Deaths in German Prison Camps From 1933 To 1945
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Othe...CampDeaths.htm
Red Cross Death Count
http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?t=6811
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Official International Red Cross Records: Total Camp Deaths: 271,301

http://www.vivamalta.org/index.php?topic=10542.0
International Red Cross Official Records Proves “Holocaust” Was A Fraud
http://www.bashaoorpakistan.com/feat...olocaust-fraud
Official Records From International Red Cross Recently Released Records, Sealed For Years, Show Camp Death Totals Of Only 271,301
http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...--Repost.shtml
Official Deaths At Concentration Camps 340,000 Total - Wochenschau 1948
http://archive.org/details/OfficialD...ochenschau1948


A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross
The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide
(Chapter Nine From The Book - Did Six Million Really Die?)
by Richard Verrall
http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewto...p?f=36&t=18054

References To 6,000,000 Jews Killed Prior To The Nuremberg Announcement
The First Holocaust
Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns With Holocaust Claims
During And After World War One
by Don Heddesheimer
http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/index.html
Origin Of Holocaust Propaganda
Excerpts From Historical Revisionism
by Don Heddesheimer
http://www.whale.to/b/holocaust_prop.html
236 References To 6,000,000 Jews Prior To The Nuremberg Trial Announcement
by Winston Smith
http://winstonsmithministryoftruth.b...-prior-to.html
The “Six Million” Myth
by Zander C. Fuerza
http://zioncrimefactory.com/the-six-million-myth
How The Zionists Created The Holocaust - 10 Questions For The Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weismandl
http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Docu...nquestions.cfm

There Was Never 6,000,000 Jews Under German Occupation
'The Dissolution Of Eastern European Jewry': An Exchange
W. D. Rubinstein, Walter N. Sanning and Arthur R. Butz
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p367_Rubenstein.html
Debunking The Genocide Myth
Chapter Fourteen
Statistics: Six Million Or...
by Paul Rassinier
http://vho.org/aaargh/engl/RassArch/...debunk141.html
Did Six Million Really Die?
Truth At Last - Exposed:
Chapter 3 - Population And Emigration
by Richard Verrall
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/ha...idsix01.html#3
The Mythical Holocaust
by Michael Olteanu, M.S.

Jewish Population From 1938 To 1949

The World Almanac for 1940 gives the world's Jewish population as 15,319,359.
The World Almanac for 1949 puts the number of Jews in the world at 15,713,638.
Even the most favorable numbers for the Jews (probably made up because they don't account for all the emigration of the Jews to the Soviet Union, the United States, Palestine and elsewhere throughout the world) shows the difference between the 1938 and 1948 figures is minus 4,481,491 Jews. This is still a million and a half less than their sacred 6,000,000 death figure. This population figure coupled with the millions of "supposed survivors" shows the ludicrousness of the holocaust fable.
World Almanac Jewish Population Figures Reviewed
by William Karenin
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Othe...nt6Million.htm
Did Six Million Really Die?
Truth At Last - Exposed:
Chapters 3, 4 and 5
by Richard Verrall
http://theunjustmedia.com/holocaust/...03%204%205.htm
The 'Holocaust' For Dummies
http://rense.com/general86/hoccl.htm
The Jewish Holohoax
Where Are The Six Million Birth Certificates?
http://wnlibrary.org/Portabel%20Docu...rtificates.pdf
Holocaust Truth
http://abundanthope.net/pages/Politi...UTH_4058.shtml
Holocaust Fraud: Top Ten Reasons
by James Buchanan
http://www.bashaoorpakistan.com/feat...op-ten-reasons
Did Six Million Really Die?
by Dr. Robert Faurisson
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/ds...faurisson.html

German SS And Police Unit Radio Messages In British Archives
http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/docs/PoliceDecodes.html
German SS And Police Radio Messages -
No Mass Executions Or Gassings At Camps
German Authorities Gave Orders To Report All Deaths At Camps
http://archive.org/details/GermanSsA...assingsAtCamps
Full Text Of "German SS And Police Radio Messages –
No Mass Executions Or Gassings At Camps"
http://www23.us.archive.org/stream/G...Camps_djvu.txt

Not One German Government Extermination Order Was Ever Found - Not One Letter From A German Soldier About Gas Chambers Or Mass Killings Was Ever Found
David Irving - The Biggest Lie (Start at 1:00:50)

The Missing Hitler Orders
by Colin Cross, Lilliano P. Fargion and Joachim C. Fest, et al.
http://codoh.com/library/document/885
The Plum Cake
by John Weir
http://vho.org/tr/2001/4/tr08plumcake.html
The Revisionist Claim:
Not A Single Document Has Been Found With Hitler's Signature
Ordering The Extermination Of The Jews
http://www.zundelsite.org/english/101/english1015.html
Mark Weber Quotes
http://www.whale.to/b/weber_q.html
Hitler's Extermination Orders

No Gas Chambers Were Ever Found (Except For Those To Delouse)
Not One Plan, Order, Photo, Budget Or Blueprint For Gas Chambers Was Ever Found

Not One Single Autopsied Body At Any Camp Has Been Shown To Have Been Gassed
How Did The Germans Move All Those Supposed Gassed Bodies?
The Gas Chambers: Truth Or Lie?
Questions by Antonio Pitamitz To Robert Faurisson (Storia Illustrata, August 1979)
Translated by Vivian Bird
Expanded, reviewed, and corrected by Dr. Robert Faurisson
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p319_Faurisson.html
The Alternative Tour Of Auschwitz An Independent Investigation (Video)
by Dr. Fredrick Toben
The Alternative Tour of Auschwitz An Independent Investigation Video by The Response Crew (hisshadyness)(Caoimhin) - Myspace Video

Camp Propaganda
The Director Of The Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder (Video)
http://archive.org/details/TheDirect...ateBillyWilder
'Extermination' Camp Propaganda Myths
by Mark Weber
http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndWeber.html
German Camps Time For Truth
http://www.saveyourheritage.com/nazi...tion_camps.htm
The Holocaust Hoax And Propaganda
http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.c..._holocaust.php
Holocaust Propaganda (Yet Again) Not To Be Trusted
by Kevin Boyle
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=57469
Die Akte Sobibor - Holocaust - Propaganda und Wirklichkeit
by Juergen Graf, Carlo Mattogno and Thomas Kues
http://archive.org/details/DieAkteSo...ndWirklichkeit
The Facts About the Origin Of The Camps And Their Administration
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scr...s/ccfacts.html

The Holocaust Is A Jewish Big Lie:

Birdman's Not-Quite 95 Theses On The Holocaust
by John "Birdman" Bryant
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Jews...JewishLie.html

The Leuchter Report, The Rudolf Report And The Lüftl Report
Their Chemical Analysis Proves Gas Was Not Used In The So Called Gas Chambers, And Physically There Was No Way The Air Raid Shelters Could Have Been Used As Gas Chambers
The Rudolf Report (2011 Edition)
Expert Report On Chemical And Technical Aspects
Of The “Gas Chambers” Of Auschwitz
by Germar Rudolf and Wolfgang Lambrecht
http://codoh.com/library/document/1827
Germar Rudolf - Holocaust Revisionist In Exile

A Quarter Century Ago: "The Leuchter Report"
by Germar Rudolf
http://codoh.com/news/2210
The Lüftl Report:
An Austrian Engineer's Report On The 'Gas Chambers' Of Auschwitz And Mauthausen
by Walter Lüftl
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p391_Luftl.html

The Lüftl Report:

An Austrian Engineer's Report On The 'Gas Chambers' Of Auschwitz And Mauthausen
by Walter Lüftl
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p391_Luftl.html

No Chimneys To Vent Or Holes To Drop In The Supposed Deadly Gas
Air Photo Evidence
In 1944 Allied planes repeatedly bombed the large synthetic rubber and chemical plant 3 miles (5 kilometers) from Auschwitz, but did not bomb Auschwitz camp-buildings or surrounding rail-bridges or rail-lines because British and American military studies, compiled from spy reports and air photos, concluded inmates were not being murdered or abused in the visible camps.
by John C. Ball
http://www.air-photo.org
Ernst Zundel and John Ball re: Schindler's List Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_OhrRGWf4s
Ernst Zundel and John Ball re: Schindler's List Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBSV0vvv-O8
Ernst Zundel and John Ball re: Schindler's List Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9GJAMJGY2g
John Ball On Auschwitz Aerial Photograph Forgeries
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMvOtDEfn4

United Nations (UN) population numbers showing fewer added from 1987 to 1999:
1987 -- 87,014,000
1988 -- 86,336,000
1989 -- 84,686,000
1990 -- 82,613,000
1991 -- 80,752,000
1992 -- 79,339,000
1993 -- 78,670,000
1994 -- 78,544,000
1996 -- 75,639,000
1996 -- 74,063,000
1997 -- 72,364,000
1998 -- 70,521,000
1999 -- 68,573,000

thanks ellis - am working through this .
yesterday it was a couple of links from davebun ...( good to see a new knowing face) and thanks to all 'greats' who keep up the good fight here - posting the truth is the most honourable thing , all the in-depth work - appreciated.
I read a lot about the present control tools but understanding the past in many areas but especially this is vital to understanding now and whats' ahead.
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Old 08-03-2013, 07:03 PM   #4414
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If hearing what Sylvia Stolz has to say in this interview isn't prove enough to somebody that something is very wrong here, then nothing ever will be. The fact she's now facing more charges just for saying it, makes it become even more self evident.
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Josef Klehr
Josef Klehr (October 17, 1904, Langenau, Upper Silesia – August 23, 1988, Leiferde) was an SS-Oberscharführer, supervisor in several Nazi concentration camps and head of the SS disinfection commando at Auschwitz concentration camp.
Klehr was a member of the Nazi Party and Allgemeine SS as of 1932. He participated in military exercises with the Wehrmacht and received training to become a medic. Shortly before the beginning of the war he was drafted into the Waffen-SS.[2] In August 1939 he was transferred to Buchenwald concentration camp as a guard, then to Dachau concentration camp as a medical orderly a year later.[3] In January, 1941 he was promoted to SS-Unterscharführer and transferred to Auschwitz, working as a medical orderly in the prisoners' infirmary.[2]

While in prison, Klehr was interviewed by journalist and film-maker Ebbo Demant. When Demant brings up Holocaust denial, Klehr says:

“ Jews never gassed? No? Yes, I have already been asked about that. ...Three elderly ladies come to visit us here. That is such an official society. They always want to support us a little bit, to give us a present on our birthdays, and so on, and one of them asked me once if people were gassed in Auschwitz? I said - I will tell you openly and honestly, but if it were someone else, I would have answered that I did not know. But because it is you, I will tell you precisely, that people were gassed. And anyone who maintains that there are no gassing....Yes, I don't understand him, he must be crazy or on the wrong.... When you are three, four years in Auschwitz and experienced everything, then I cannot get myself to lie about it and say that no gassings were ever conducted.[9]
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Hans Münch

Hans Wilhelm Münch (14 May 1911 – 2001) was a German citizen and Nazi Party member who, during World War II, worked as a SS physician at the Auschwitz concentration camp in Nazi occupied Poland from 1943 to 1945. He was the only person acquitted of war crimes at the 1947 Auschwitz trials in Kraków. Later on, he returned to Germany and worked as a practising physician in Roßhaupten in Bavaria.
In June 1943, he was recruited as a scientist by the Waffen-SS and was sent to the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen-SS in Raisko, about four km from the main camp at Auschwitz. Münch worked alongside the infamous Josef Mengele, who was the same age and also came from Bavaria. Münch continued the bacteriological research he was known for before the war, as well as making occasional inspections of the camps and the prisoners. In summer 1944, he was promoted to SS-Untersturmführer (second lieutenant).

Along with other doctors, Münch was expected to participate in the "selections" at the ramp of Auschwitz-Birkenau, to decide which of the incoming Jewish men, women and children could work, which would be experimented on, and which would be put to death in the gas chambers.[3] He found this abhorrent and refused to take part; this was confirmed by witnesses' testimony at his trial. The book on SS physicians of Auschwitz by Robert Jay Lifton (1986) mentions Münch as the only physician whose commitment to the Hippocratic oath proved stronger than that to the SS.

While Münch did conduct human experiments, these were often elaborate farces intended to protect inmates, as experiment subjects who were no longer useful were usually killed. Allegedly, Münch's last act before the camp was abandoned was to provide inmate Dr Louis Micheels with a revolver to assist his escape.[4]

After the evacuation of Auschwitz in 1945, Münch spent three months at the Dachau concentration camp near Munich.

Münch has also commented on Holocaust denial. In an interview made by German filmmaker Bernhard Frankfurter, Frankfurter asks about the negationist claim that Auschwitz was a hoax, to which Münch wearily responds:

"When someone says that Auschwitz is a lie, that it is a hoax, I feel hesitation to say much to him. I say, the facts are so firmly determined, that one cannot have any doubt at all, and I stop talking to that person because there is no use. One knows that anyone who clings to such things, which are published somewhere, is a malevolent person who has some personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence."
—Exchange between Münch and Frankfurter.[7]



Holocaust deniers can not debunk the testimony of these eye witness.

They were there and they were not tortured, they wrote about it many years after as well.

At the time they were committed to the Nazi regime.
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thanks ellis - am working through this .
yesterday it was a couple of links from davebun ...( good to see a new knowing face) and thanks to all 'greats' who keep up the good fight here - posting the truth is the most honourable thing , all the in-depth work - appreciated.
I read a lot about the present control tools but understanding the past in many areas but especially this is vital to understanding now and whats' ahead.
You're welcome, Lizzy. Glad to hear.
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I find it insulting that people on here keep calling us hollowco$t deniers. How can you deny something that never happened, that is a double negative.
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I find it insulting that people on here keep calling us hollowco$t deniers. How can you deny something that never happened, that is a double negative.
good point sniper , I suppose it's a sort of double speak - but the lie has been told and believed - gradually ramped up by media and in our schools (- it was never taught or alluded to in my history class and my exam was in "modern european history' - but it is today.)

...but just like ellis and other good peeps here have said( even if they do get a but fed up repeating it )- when a new set of eyes view it ,learns the truth , they will never forget get it again and hopefully pass it on.
De-dunking this lie and examining why it's becoming a 'crime' to do so is really one the best places to prove how insidiously peeps have been lied to and you are at the top of that list of brave and knowledgeable posters.

We just don't always need to debate the deluded dis-info's - just keep posting truth.

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I find it insulting that people on here keep calling us hollowco$t deniers. How can you deny something that never happened, that is a double negative.
Don't feed them numbnuts. Give them neither your time or energy, they are not worthy.
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