Whooping cough outbreak proves vaccine ineffective

[winegums]

Standard, numbers gets pinned down to actually prove something and he squirms. If only there was some way to blame this on big farmer or giant government conspiracy...

I'll ask again numbers - prove we're getting dumb. I dare ya.

[21_12_2012]

Originally Posted by winegums

Standard, numbers gets pinned down to actually prove something and he squirms. If only there was some way to blame this on big farmer or giant government conspiracy...

I'll ask again numbers - prove we're getting dumb. I dare ya.

'getting dumb' ha

'numb as a piss stone' is more on the mark.

But please do carry on clinging to the big pharma line...... it's not snapped quite yet winey.... not long to go though til the truth is out and you're left holding your glaxosmithkline syllabus.....weeping..... ha

[motleyhoo]

Originally Posted by winegums

So...are the vaccines ineffective, or is there a faulty batch? God, can't the 'health ranger' keep his bullshit straight in one article at least?

Tell you what, next time you line up to have some white lab coat inject a vial of unknown genetically-engineered chemicals into your bloodstream ask the white lab coat if the one you're getting is from the "effective batch". Perhaps it's from the batch that someone just "accidentally" slipped some experimental bird flu into. Or maybe it's the batch that has just enough monkey cancer DNA in it that you can grow a spare spleen or a third kidney. Or maybe you should just put one of those stickers on your shirt that says "I got my placebo today".

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[motleyhoo]

Originally Posted by winegums

Now all you have to do is prove this malicious trend!

I'll be sat here while you do that.

Fact: Beta-blockers and cholesterol drugs, some of the most prescribed drugs by Doctors (2nd in sales), cause acid reflux. It is routine now for Doctors to treat this with Nexium, number 5 in sales. Nexium in turn causes the symptoms of Osteoporosis. This is routinely treated with a bone drug like Boniva, in the top 10 in sales. These bone drugs however cause irregular heart beat, which is then treated with Cumaden and the like. This isn't a joke. You can find case after case on the internet of people relating this kind of story, and I have personally seen a family member go through this exact progression of drugs.

Interestingly, when you add up the per-year sales of cholesterol drugs (lypitor, etc.), Nexium, Boniva, and Cumaden, you get over $10 billion. I'm sure that's a mere coincidence.

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[motleyhoo]

Originally Posted by winegums

Hardly able to function? Please, continue to explain how we're barely functioning...

You cannot see what is right in front of your face is proof enough. I know for a fact that the incredible amount of fraud that has been committed by the drug companies has been explained to you and laid out before you in plain English, and yet you continue to defend that behavior, continue to shill for the corrupt, and continue to trust those who commit fraud and felonies, including killing many thousands of innocent people. The definition of insanity is seeing that something is wrong, but then continuing to do it over and over again anyway. Perhaps you should see your Doctor. Maybe there's a vaccine or a pill for that.

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[aulus agerius]

Originally Posted by motleyhoo

a vial of unknown genetically-engineered chemicals into your bloodstream.

How, pray tell, does one genetically engineer a chemical?

[aulus agerius]

Originally Posted by motleyhoo

You cannot see what is right in front of your face is proof enough. I know for a fact that the incredible amount of fraud that has been committed by the drug companies has been explained to you and laid out before you in plain English,

Claiming something in claim English does not make it true. I can claim in very plain English that the moon is made of cheese, but that does not make it true, nor does it mean anyone must necessarily believe it. What you an the numbers guy are lacking is evidence which supports your conclusion.

and yet you continue to defend that behavior, continue to shill for the corrupt, and continue to trust those who commit fraud and felonies, including killing many thousands of innocent people.

Ranting that someone doesn't believe you shows only how strongly you believe, not how right you are. What shows you are right is evidence.

The definition of insanity is seeing that something is wrong, but then continuing to do it over and over again anyway.

No. The definition of "insanity" is serious mental illness, or, in the legal field, a disease of the mind which makes one unaware of the nature and quality of ones' acts. Perhaps you were thinking of "insanity is an inability to distinguish reality from fiction"?

[21_12_2012]

Originally Posted by aulus agerius

Claiming something in claim English does not make it true. I can claim in very plain English that the moon is made of cheese, but that does not make it true, nor does it mean anyone must necessarily believe it. What you an the numbers guy are lacking is evidence which supports your conclusion.

Then you're either too blind...or too stupid to see what's in front of your eyes..... or you're (most probably) not on our side...either way, no one's really listening or taking you seriously at all.... but do carry on... you're looking dumber by the minute.

Ranting that someone doesn't believe you shows only how strongly you believe, not how right you are. What shows you are right is evidence.

Yeh fuck common sense and the bloody obvious....give me dodgy big pharma evidence any day....

[stupid]

Whooping Cough may be on the rise, but vaccinations have kept it below epidemic levels.
http://diseases.emedtv.com/whooping-...tatistics.html
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/ma...ticlekey=53724

Greater physician awareness, greater uses of diagnostic tests, more complete, and timely reporting all play a role in possible reasons for increased pertussis incidence rates.

Few people realize that immunity from their pertussis vaccine wanes after five to 10 years. Pertussis vaccination is only currently approved for those under the age of 7 years. The number of cases of pertussis is increasing the most among adolescents and young adults. Pertussis is an incredibly uncomfortable disease that can certainly impact a teenager's life significantly.

Increased recognition and diagnosis of whooping cough in older age groups probably contributed to this increase of reported cases among adolescents and adults.

Now...many of you do not believe that the DTaP vaccine does anything at all.
So how did the occurrence of WC (whooping cough) decline immediately after the invention of a vaccine in the mid 1940's ?

During the 6-year period from 1940 through 1945, more than 1 million cases of whooping cough were reported, an average of 175,000 cases per year (incidence of approximately 150 cases per 100,000 population).

Following the introduction of the pertussis vaccine in the 1940s, the incidence of whooping cough gradually declined, reaching 15,000 reported cases in 1960 (approximately 8 per 100,000 population). By 1970, the annual incidence was fewer than 5,000 cases per year, and during 1980-1990, an average of 2,900 cases per year were reported (about 1 per 100,000 population).

[motleyhoo]

Originally Posted by aulus agerius

Claiming something in claim English does not make it true. I can claim in very plain English that the moon is made of cheese, but that does not make it true, nor does it mean anyone must necessarily believe it. What you an the numbers guy are lacking is evidence which supports your conclusion.

Ranting that someone doesn't believe you shows only how strongly you believe, not how right you are. What shows you are right is evidence.


No. The definition of "insanity" is serious mental illness, or, in the legal field, a disease of the mind which makes one unaware of the nature and quality of ones' acts. Perhaps you were thinking of "insanity is an inability to distinguish reality from fiction"?

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Go...to...google... ...that's...www.google.com...

Type...in...the...search...box...any...of...the... following...

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Click...the...Search...button...

Do...you...get...it...yet...or...do...you...need.. .further...assistance...!!!



"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Albert Einstein


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[aulus agerius]

Originally Posted by motleyhoo

I...will...explain...this...to...you...very...slow ly...so...that...you...might...be...able...to...co mprehend...it...

Go...to...google... ...that's...www.google.com...

Type...in...the...search...box...any...of...the... following...

Merck fraud...or...Glaxo fraud...or...Eli Lilly fraud...or...Pfizer fraud...or...Bayer fraud...or...drug company fraud...or...pharmaceutical fraud

Click...the...Search...button...

Do...you...get...it...yet...or...do...you...need.. .further...assistance...!!!



"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." --Albert Einstein


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Hey, your full stop key seems to be sticking. Perhaps you can find a way to fix it on google, while you're looking up "evidence", "science" and "insanity".
You may also wish to clear up for yourself the difference between a quotation and a definition.

[motleyhoo]

Now...many of you do not believe that the DTaP vaccine does anything at all.
So how did the occurrence of WC (whooping cough) decline immediately after the invention of a vaccine in the mid 1940's ?

Because, even though incidence was high prior to the 1940s, it was already in decline before the vaccine was invented, and that steady decline continued for decades even though many children were not even getting the vaccine. This is because diseases like Pertussis tend to burn themselves out over time as more and more of the population becomes immune due to exposure.

We can see this happening historically over and over again. Following your logic, the human race should have become extinct following the Black Plague because a vaccine was not invented until centuries later. In reality, the plague burned itself out in a relatively short period of time. Another example (and there are many like this) - when the Europeans first landed on South America the indigenous people got sick and dropped like flies, because they had no previous exposure to those diseases. But after several years those diseases, among that population burned itself out. Closer to home, smallpox was already in its waning phase before the vaccine was invented.

This always leads to the life expectancy argument, but life expectancy tracked across global populations can be seen to align with clean water, food, and hygiene, not vaccines. The pitiful crying African babies in those atrocious commercials are not dying because they don't have vaccines. They're dying because they don't have clean water or enough nutritious food to eat. You can stick a hundred needles in them and it won't matter.

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[motleyhoo]

Originally Posted by aulus agerius

Hey, your full stop key seems to be sticking. Perhaps you can find a way to fix it on google, while you're looking up "evidence", "science" and "insanity".
You may also wish to clear up for yourself the difference between a quotation and a definition.

I already "looked up" and understand what kind of fraud is taking place within the drug industry and between the drug industry and FDA. And yes, it is so bad it is "insane". Perhaps you'd like to learn this for yourself. Unless of course, you're happier not knowing.

As for definition, do you know what a euphemism is?

Sheesh!

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[stupid]

Originally Posted by motleyhoo

....This is because diseases like Pertussis tend to burn themselves out over time as more and more of the population becomes immune due to exposure.
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This and many vaccines are artificially doing just that...creating "exposure". That is, if it reduces contraction in some....it then reduces exposure in many, over a exponential (log) scale.
Whether this will happen naturally by themselves, or by man-made vaccines....is anyone's guess as to the time a pandemic will "burn itself out".
Why not USE the man-made exposure, if it is available ?

[21_12_2012]

Originally Posted by stupid

This and many vaccines are artificially doing just that...creating "exposure". That is, if it reduces contraction in some....it then reduces exposure in many, over a exponential (log) scale.
Whether this will happen naturally by themselves, or by man-made vaccines....is anyone's guess as to the time a pandemic will "burn itself out".
Why not USE the man-made exposure, if it is available ?

jesus h christ

....sometimes I really do wonder why i bother coming on this forum any more.....I really do....

good luck using the 'man-made' exposures...... see you down the mortuary stupid

[stupid]

Originally Posted by 21_12_2012

jesus h christ

good luck using the 'man-made' exposures...... see you down the mortuary stupid

That's your opinion. But I won't understand it, until you explain it.

[21_12_2012]

Originally Posted by stupid

That's your opinion. But I won't understand it, until you explain it.

I'll explain nothing.

The 'fucking obvious' seems to evade you... good luck with that....

[motleyhoo]

Originally Posted by stupid

Why not USE the man-made exposure, if it is available ?

Because your body and immune system were never meant to work that way. When you get exposed to something you do not yet have immunity to it has to get through several barriers before it ever gets to your blood stream.

But hey, if you want to let someone shoot some of the stuff straight into your veins then be my guest, I ain't gonna stop you. Kinda reminds me of those "stupid stuff people do" TV shows. Maybe we'll see you on there one day with your arm swelled up like a watermelon or a second head growing out of your neck.

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[aulus agerius]

Originally Posted by motleyhoo

Because your body and immune system were never meant to work that way. When you get exposed to something you do not yet have immunity to it has to get through several barriers before it ever gets to your blood stream.

Because, of course, no one is ever infected with any bacteria or virus through an open wound. Your body wasn't "meant" to work any particular way. It's not a designed thing. Quite remarkably adaptable. Your personal disbelief in vaccination is not a compelling argument.

[motleyhoo]

Originally Posted by aulus agerius

Because, of course, no one is ever infected with any bacteria or virus through an open wound. Your body wasn't "meant" to work any particular way. It's not a designed thing. Quite remarkably adaptable. Your personal disbelief in vaccination is not a compelling argument.

It's not a personal belief, it is based on compelling evidence that I see with my own eyes everyday. I guess it's ok for some people to go through life with blinders on, trusting what their esteemed leaders tell them, but I'd rather not live my life like an ignorant slave who eats whatever slop is set down in front of him. Thinking for yourself can be quite liberating. You ought to try it sometime.

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