Is a New World Order necessarily a bad thing?

[cruise4]

I believe without these people we currently know as NWO scum, the people of the world would already have a Global concensus benefitting all. Its their version of NWO thats the problem... proved by virtually everything they do. The evidence of underhand antics, suppression of truth and practise of evil are definately real and proveable.

"Because the one thing all aspects of the "Elite" cannot do is tolerate allowing us to choose not to need them"

Very very true!

In a way we may be lucky. This geneology stuff and certain other relationships tend to suggest we do have 'an enemy', and its the same enemy. As oppose to an ever changing group that arise from society to evil heights via some natural law.

What I'm saying is if we can get rid of this scum, it may be forever.

[chandrakavi]

Originally Posted by cruise4

I believe without these people we currently know as NWO scum, the people of the world would already have a Global concensus benefitting all. Its their version of NWO thats the problem... proved by virtually everything they do. The evidence of underhand antics, suppression of truth and practise of evil are definately real and proveable.

"Because the one thing all aspects of the "Elite" cannot do is tolerate allowing us to choose not to need them"

Very very true!

In a way we may be lucky. This geneology stuff and certain other relationships tend to suggest we do have 'an enemy', and its the same enemy. As oppose to an ever changing group that arise from society to evil heights via some natural law.

What I'm saying is if we can get rid of this scum, it may be forever.

I totally agree, dictator-minded people talk about freedom, but don't practice it, they never have, that these people change would be WISHFUL THINKING. If one leaves offices another with THE SAME AGENDA STEPS IN, so they don't make a difference, until this can be changed with people that are NOT with the Agenda, or not vote for them at all, once everyone wakes up!

[kblood]

Before learning about Illuminati I was very much liking the idea of a united global world. It does of course bring problems with who is to challenge it though? Therefore I guess we will need at least 3 world governments, but having the world more united is still something I think as a good future prospect. The problem will just be to still have it all going in a good direction. If this Illuminati exists, they sure would be able to create alot of problems, but as I have written before, they will have to at least partly support good parts of a system as well.

In some ways I disagree with David Icke because he seems to want everyone to try to fight the system in some way. But as I see it the system isnt 100% corrupt. Its like my theory about the best lies are at least 90% true theory. At least a first, the ones in Illuminati would have to make a system for us to believe in, and which we can relate to. Power, corruption and deception only gets them so far. They have to make it feel right to those making it happen as well.

Even though I have known about the Illuminati and what they are supposed to be for a longer time than before I learned about David Icke, I have always believed that there is alot of good in everyone. Every being there is. And to use higher powers needs you to be able to use a wide range of emotions in my experience. If these reptiles cant feel love at all, they are probably more "locked" in this dimension than humans. Maybe they can control their feelings to give them the use of higher powers, but even then that nature is self destructive if they are as evil as Icke claims. So they probably are in many ways quite weak. Still, if just a fraction of what the Illuminati is, is true, then they still are a threat of some kind.

The New World order of the Illuminati probably isnt a future we would like, but I believe that it is how part of our future will be. I just hope we can keep beings like the Illuminati from taking complete control. In fact I doubt they will be able to succeed with that, and if they did, they wouldnt be able to keep it. They simply arent that powerfull. As I see it if the new world order comes into effect, they would also be at their most voulnerable

[cruise4]

I reckon the system is near on 100% corrupt. What does one world government offer? there are solid good reasons to have nation states. They are natural buffers against disease or any problem really. I submit without these psychopaths we'd all get along and be doing the right thing on the whole anyway.

[kblood]

As I have written before: Power Corrupts. I myself dont really like to be given too much power or responsibility, because the more power you get, the more tempting/easy it is to misuse that power. But if given power or responsibilty I would of course try to use it in the best way possibilty. Good intention doesnt equal a good outcome though, and that is why a change of leadership now and then is very important.

Good things about having only one government is that there wont be nations to war each other. Downside is that people will be split up in factions or groups then instead. Having a language everyone understands... what would be downside be to that? The propaganda that is bound to come? We get that anyway, just in several languages. Only downside to having one global language I see is how cultures and languages makes people different, and I do like the world not being monotone. In fact my greatest fear of Earth with only one global power is that everything will become monotonous, or in other words... booring. Still, as I see it, oneness is the future. Some day, when we begin colonising space, I hope we do have some relatively peacefull Earth. And that we havent drained it dry

[lemonique]

Just a couple of things..... In my Opinion..........
A One World Government run by the United Nations will mean that Women will be mostly eliminated (yes you heard that right). There will be women (very young ones of course),to have sex with only. They won't be required for breeding purposes as the Eugenics Dept. will be 'growing' the youngsters to order, in specially adapted habitat hatcheries. There will be no 'Mothers' as we know them today. You will be raised and nurtered by specially trained care givers. Of course not all babies will be equal. All babies will be genetically altered during gestation into 'groups'. The main groups I envisage will be 1) The Elite, 2) The Intellectuals (teachers, doctors, philosophers etc) 3) The Administration personnel, 3) Factory workers, truck drivers etc 4) Cleaners etc You get the idea.
There will be no 'Family Life' at all. Everything will be done by the State.
Seems to me that they have already done a fairly good job of stuffing up families already.
The population will be under control, as there will be no people over the age of say 40 allowed to stay alive. There will be very large Crematoriums everywhere, and it will be indoctrinated into the wee kids that it's a heroic and wonderful thing to give up your life for the State at age 40 something.
Actually I'm cheating a bit here........got these ideas from reading Aldoux Huxley's 'A Brave New World'. It was a lovely read not!!
Thanks for reading my wee rave.....(we have to 'let rip' occasionally eh??
My problem is, I don't 'Let Rip' enough times. It does have a certain feel good quality to it!
Cheers

[positive terror]

Before people start judging this thread by the title please let me explain myself. I have just starting reading …and the truth should set you free as I haven’t read it for a few months.

In the beginning of the book David talks about how we became trapped in this prison. He discusses Atlantis and how 4th dimension extraterrestrials created some disaster in order to wipe the slate clean, to create a human that they can control.

David makes references to Genesis, about how mankind was united and living together in peace. Then 'God', the 4th dimension extraterrestrials, came down from the heavens and separated mankind. How the extraterrestrials separated mankind into religions, languages and cultures to create chaos, division and negativity on our planet.

If during the time of Atlantis we were united under one currency, one language and one democratic government and men were still free then why can this not happen today?

If there were an enlightened New World Order with the planets best intentions in mind then surely this would be a good thing. A NWO with microchips, depopulation and control of humanity as an agenda would only keep us in our frequency prison.

A NWO could bring together humanity and end chaos and negativity on the planet. As David said only we are to blame for our current situation, we are only trapped in this prison because we have allowed ourselves to be. The only way to free ourselves from this prison is with love, only then can we achieve our true potential.

If we direct hate to the New World Order then we are creating the negativity they want. Hatred towards Tony Blair and George Bush will only fuel the fire, if collective consciousness says they are evil then that is how it is. Infinite love is the only way to free ourselves and a NWO with the right intentions could unify our planet and help reunite us with God consciousness.

What are people’s opinions am I making a little sense or spouting absolute garbage?

Well, you make a MUCH sense, Im with David Icke in his fight against the illuminati and the nwo, but the rest of his theory its just an illusion.

[kblood]

Originally Posted by positive terror

Well, you make a MUCH sense, Im with David Icke in his fight against the illuminati and the nwo, but the rest of his theory its just an illusion.

I might not agree in every way with David Icke, but I dont believe his theroies are just illusions. They might not be true, but they are still plausible and probable to happen. Maybe they arent highly probably, but to make a statement, you have to show how worst case scenario is in order to make people understand what is happening.

That is by the way also how I percieve Al Gores "An Inconvinient Truth". Some claim that he is very wrong for different reasons, but alot of those contradicting him is more openly Illuminati the way I see it. Like Exxon, who Al Gore mentions himself as part of the US governments administration, and David Icke also agrees that Exxon is part of the Illuminati, if I remember correctly. I think it is also David Icke who says that Al Gore is also part of the Illuminati, and even if he isnt a reptile himself I also do believe that they will find a way to control him if he gets elected president.

On other points, and one of the things I disagree with David Icke in: He claims banking systems to be a fraud. I see it as a good way to make for economic growth. I believe in Karma and that it applies to all aspects of life. Same goes for banking. Even though banks are allowed to lend out more money than they got, they arent given unlimited ressurces. Some banks have to shut down, like a bank lending money to Mexico Mexico couldnt pay the money back (the bank was in the US) so the bank had to close That is sad for those who had accounts and money in this bank, but it also shows that you simply have to be carefull with how you use money. Even if you arent careless you might still get unlucky, or maybe target of these Illuminati, but mostly I see the banking system as a good thing. On a day to day basis at least. I dont have any debts myself at the moment.

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by i_am

I understand what 2503 is saying. A new world order would be wonderful if we could all get along, stop wars, help those less fortunate, create equality. So the concept is good BUT the people in power have a whole different concept of a NWO, one where 'they' hold the power, where it is their way or no way. They don't give a shit about the less fortunate. They only care about power and control so THEIR idea of a new world order is not good for us (the useless eaters by their standards)

The kind of NWO that Ghandi and others aspired to is NOT what is happening now. The concept has been high jacked.








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So to sum up...No a new world order is not a bad thing but the one

presenting to us by the powers that be, most certainly is.

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[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by chandrakavi

Absolutly agree with you ,and others who have answered you.
We should stop answering the word NEW, this is the OLD World Order, what they are doing is organizing the same political BS they have always had, no improvement in anything they are doing, nothing better.
As you say A WORLD GOVERNMENT would be a good thing, a good spiritual thing according to what many Masters of the East have said centuries ago, BUT THEY MEAN SOMETHING COMPLETLY DIFFERENT, a world of love, no war, with meditation, unity, no lines of power on the Map drawn by politicians
to create Nationalism that can only have an outcome of destruction through war, they mean something great for Humanity. Civilization is a great idea,
but it has not happened yet, we only have Barbarism.....we need only to look around.

Politicians are very good at copying other people's inspired words ,make peoplee think they will do that....but they don't carry it out.
They realize that in one way and many others people HAVE FALLEN IN LOVE WITH WORDS ,and forget what their deeds are. WORDS and false promises are not enough ,they are a fake, everything they say and do is a fake,
IT SOUNDS RIGHT, they took it from the Eastern Master's words, but they are as void as a human being can be, they will say and do anything in oorder to obtain POWER, in the most destructive and selfish way.

So a World Government runned by Real enlightened Masters of the East would be a great thing, if Love and Unity is what we get. But if we look at what we are getting with the politicians ,we can only wait for better days, that is to say, a world without politicians, when people realize that no one truly needs them ,THEY NEED US!
It is a bit like a story in the Odissey where the heroe falls into an island where there are only rich people, he thought they would help him, but....what he had not realized is that when human beings are extraordinarly rich the next thing they want is to have human SLAVES, he became a slave for many years there, until he was able to escape from that island,
This is the case of the Illuminati , G-8, politicians, and if thhey are not overly rich yet, they plan to , no matter how, it definetly won't be with decent means, their labor ,we all know that.

The RIGHT new world Order will start the WRONG way, with Corporations, Banking and void of any soul. A real one world good for all has to be like a bird flying with both wings, material and spiritual, with meaning. The Old world government, The old man, is flying only with one wing, and won't get very high creating misery.

There is an old SUTRA of Buddha; "IF YOU ARE HAPPY
AT THE EXPENSE OF ANOTHER MAN'S HAPPINESS,
YOU ARE FOREVER BOUND."

If people become creative, it will be a different matter.

Best to you,

Chandrakavi

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[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by cruise4

I believe without these people we currently know as NWO scum, the people of the world would already have a Global concensus benefitting all. Its their version of NWO thats the problem... proved by virtually everything they do. The evidence of underhand antics, suppression of truth and practise of evil are definately real and proveable.

"Because the one thing all aspects of the "Elite" cannot do is tolerate allowing us to choose not to need them"

Very very true

In a way we may be lucky. This geneology stuff and certain other relationships tend to suggest we do have 'an enemy', and its the same enemy. As oppose to an ever changing group that arise from society to evil heights via some natural law.

What I'm saying is if we can get rid of this scum, it may be forever.

+1

Totally agree. We don't need them. And the time will come when it will be too obvious that they are useless to society and everyone.. The old politician is DEAD.

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by i_am

I understand what 2503 is saying. A new world order would be wonderful if we could all get along, stop wars, help those less fortunate, create equality. So the concept is good BUT the people in power have a whole different concept of a NWO, one where 'they' hold the power, where it is their way or no way. They don't give a shit about the less fortunate. They only care about power and control so THEIR idea of a new world order is not good for us (the useless eaters by their standards)

The kind of NWO that Ghandi and others aspired to is NOT what is happening now. The concept has been high jacked.

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So to sum up...No a new world order is not a bad thing but the one presenting to us by the powers that be, most certainly is.

Exactly! A New World Order NOT in hands of politicians. To begin with Ghandi was the first to say it ,but he meant it in a spiritual way. Meaning oneness, and harmony for everyone. But that is being naive for the political mind, and corrupt bankers and all the scum of theirs.
A new man, a new mentality has to emerge, but NOT with the ignorant and cruel corrupt scum they have had us being accustomed to.

A more human world is what is meant by Ghandi and all Eastern masters.
A world without Illuminati minded people. People who feeel with the heart,
and have merits in wisdom, not just the ignorant world greed of today.

People that love the earth, nature ,do not destroy it, creative in all ways,
in deeds, not just in politicians copying words, and do as always , promise and throw the words in the trash. Politicians are dead, and THEY
belong in the trash.

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by kblood

As I have written before: Power Corrupts. I myself dont really like to be given too much power or responsibility, because the more power you get, the more tempting/easy it is to misuse that power. But if given power or responsibilty I would of course try to use it in the best way possibilty. Good intention doesnt equal a good outcome though, and that is why a change of leadership now and then is very important.

Good things about having only one government is that there wont be nations to war each other. Downside is that people will be split up in factions or groups then instead. Having a language everyone understands... what would be downside be to that? The propaganda that is bound to come? We get that anyway, just in several languages. Only downside to having one global language I see is how cultures and languages makes people different, and I do like the world not being monotone. In fact my greatest fear of Earth with only one global power is that everything will become monotonous, or in other words... booring. Still, as I see it, oneness is the future. Some day, when we begin colonising space, I hope we do have some relatively peacefull Earth. And that we havent drained it dry

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[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by synergy777

its not an united order thats the problem, its the nature of it. totalitarian policies, police state, clampdown on personal liberties, fredom of speech. military industrial complex, population control, an unequal distribution of wealth/opportunity. loss of national sovereignity, basically its an consolidation of power, whilst installing a totalitarian government, its dictatorship on a global scale. it should be called the global reich, that should wake people up.

Western world Dictatorship mentality through rotten politicians.

[heartbeatsalute]

[dreamingod]

Originally Posted by informationx

Those in power set them selves free, while enslaving the rest.

How can the 2% control 98% of population?

Comprehend their methods of control to free your mind of the perception
that you are enslaved.
Rise up, know yourself and accept your power!

Know the deceivers, their methods of deception and stop complying.

Controlling centres:
1. Religious Control: Vatican City
2. Financial Control: City of London
3. Military Control: Washington DC
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26566406/The-3-City-States


Know that you are not the legal fiction name/corporation, you are not the ego, and you are not the 'person'
so Statutues and Acts do not apply to you.
When you know that you are the living spirit that accepts no man-made jurisdiction,
they cannot enslave you with fear and divisive methods.

Who is the Government? Who controls it?
Do their legislation (really company policies) apply to you or just their government employees?

Know that this fiat monetary system is based on debt.
The note$ are really 'promises to pay' so what do you owe the banksters?
Nothing! Mortgage loan: no loss was incurred and there was no full disclosure in the contract.
Your signature created the value in the mortgage.
The recent LIBOR scandals demonstrate how fraudulent the financial system is.

Money As Debt - Full Length Documentary - YouTube

Money As Debt - Full Length Documentary - YouTube

Who are the Police Officers?
When they are enforcing Government/Company policies they are really revenue collectors
who seek to contract with the LEGAL FICTION
that the Government presumes to own as they issued you the legal title
through Government issued Birth Certificate (debt instrument).

Why are lawyers, attorneys, magistrates licensed to practise law?
What does licensed mean? Who gives them permission?
They are all members of the BAR = society. BAR = bank =>banksters (Charter from England)

When you accept a BAR member to act as your attorney you have immediately given the court (Bank) jurisdiction;
they will treat you as ward of the State/Crown who is mentally incompetent to make own decisions.

Who is the enemy that the politicians/Corporations declare war/invasion with?
Terrorist? vs justification to exploit your Ego? Fear? Ingnorance?

Cracking The Code Of Commerce, pt.3 Jordan Maxwell - YouTube

Cracking The Code Of Commerce, pt.3 Jordan Maxwell - YouTube

Why do you believe what you believe?

When one starts to contemplate these questions, and research the basis of their presumed power,
you will start to unravel the mysteries.
*The Strawman (LEGAL FICTION) is not you.
The NAME is not the living spirit embodied in man.
It cannot think or itself and is not real. It is ink on paper.
The Banksters and politicians only have claim over this fiction through legal deception and our ignorance.
They do not have any juris-diction over us unless you accept their words.
*The government (aka Witch of the West) is bankrupt and you have liquidated it
by no longer complying to pay its corporate bills (which finances invasions, wars, drug cartels and human slavery)
We are 'creditors in commerce' because we are the people putting value into this debt system (I.M.F.)
*The Wizard behind the curtain uses smoke, mirrors and spells (legalese) to deceive us all.

First they program you with a slave's mentality to accept their authority and
believe what is being presented as CULTural norms.
When you automatically accept the status quo, you are a slave of your own perception.


Read & seek remedy here: Government = Mind Control, spread this understanding around
http://thecrowhouse.com/forum/viewto...p=29423#p29423


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[heartbeatsalute]

I think we all agree with you 100% dreamingod.
What we arer saying , is we don't want the politician's NWO, it stinks.
It was talked initially, in a spiritual way by Ghandi, meaning for more harmony in the world.
But these guys did things upside down.

One world ,WITHOUT politicians.

[dreamingod]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

One world ,WITHOUT politicians.

Who is controlling the polLIES?
Is it the International Banksters?
Is it the Royal Families?
Indeed they all share the control and work the system.
Hint - Holy See of the Commercial Sea.




To put it all in context, it is the Crown that controls the global financial system and
runs the governments of all Commonwealth countries, and many
non-Commonwealth 'Western' nations as well.

The Crown traces back to the Vatican,
which is headed by the Pope,
who is the figurehead for the real powers that be behind the curtain,
some of which are known but many of which are completely unknown to the general public.

btw - World refers to the flat four corner world of legal fiction on paper.
Commerce - Admiralty Law.
Hence New World Order.
Pope is the Holy See (see top of pyramid is an eye)


You can seek remedy in Court (most courts are Corporate Courts operating under Admiralty Law)
by using quotes and principles from the authorised 'King James Bible' since it is the Roman Catholic book of public relations.


Of course one can see the pyramid in a different context.
The eye is also a metaphor for consciousness/spirit. It is all in the perception.



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[maxine]

Originally Posted by 2503

Before people start judging this thread by the title please let me explain myself. I have just starting reading …and the truth should set you free as I haven’t read it for a few months.

In the beginning of the book David talks about how we became trapped in this prison. He discusses Atlantis and how 4th dimension extraterrestrials created some disaster in order to wipe the slate clean, to create a human that they can control.

David makes references to Genesis, about how mankind was united and living together in peace. Then 'God', the 4th dimension extraterrestrials, came down from the heavens and separated mankind. How the extraterrestrials separated mankind into religions, languages and cultures to create chaos, division and negativity on our planet.

If during the time of Atlantis we were united under one currency, one language and one democratic government and men were still free then why can this not happen today?

If there were an enlightened New World Order with the planets best intentions in mind then surely this would be a good thing. A NWO with microchips, depopulation and control of humanity as an agenda would only keep us in our frequency prison.

A NWO could bring together humanity and end chaos and negativity on the planet. As David said only we are to blame for our current situation, we are only trapped in this prison because we have allowed ourselves to be. The only way to free ourselves from this prison is with love, only then can we achieve our true potential.

If we direct hate to the New World Order then we are creating the negativity they want. Hatred towards Tony Blair and George Bush will only fuel the fire, if collective consciousness says they are evil then that is how it is. Infinite love is the only way to free ourselves and a NWO with the right intentions could unify our planet and help reunite us with God consciousness.

What are people’s opinions am I making a little sense or spouting absolute garbage?

It all sounds great on the surface! However - when put into practice - it just doesn't work! Even the, "Euro" has failed! Mix that with all the selfish, greedy arse holes on this planet.......and what do you get? Still non-compliance - respect - or wisdom!!

[ufochick]

When the blame stops we are on our way. 99 percent of the people want to blame someone or something else for all the problems here on this little blue planet. It's been set up that way.

We will have a new world when each of makes the choices that are right, not for us but for the world and others, when we take responsibility for ourselves, when we stop living in fear and in doing so begin to share everything, love food etc. We are capable of needing zero laws. If everyone would make the choices that benefit everyone and not just themselves the world would change overnight.

We don't need any kind of order to tell us how to be and how to live, we need to simply begin to live the way we want the world to be.