Why Join the Masons?

[eastbeast]

Originally Posted by busa

Nail on head.

If someone is not strong in their own right, then take them out of the group and they are nothing. Assuming the person was looking for strength or obtained feelings of strength by joining the group in the first place.

I am not part of any groups and don't need or want the strength or support of other group members for simple reasons. I am totally self-reliant and resourceful. I find the vast majority of people let me down, are weak and quite pathetic, they are lazy and make excuses.

This could be part of what a biker is or does being a biker make us like this I wonder?

Oh and I became a Freemason for different reasons to 'wanting to be part of a group' although I do enjoy a bit of company.

Interesting thought, I hadn't considered this before!

[busa]

I started biking for one thing.... the feelings of pure freedom.
I'm a rider first and foremost.

Bikers have changed a lot since I got my first road bike in 75. I'd been riding off road from the age of 11. I dont like the new breed of bikers and how its become subdivided into individual brands and types of motorcycles.

We get enough prejudice and hate as bikers full stop without certain groups of bikers not liking other groups of bikers. I get sick to death of the inner prejudice about what bike you ride. When I started on the road, any bike was ok, we were all bikers. It was the fact that you rode a bike period !

Way too many tarts, posers and pretenders now and those who have no idea about our unwritten "code".

I genuinely don't give a shit about what people ride, but show me prejudice or hate because I ride a Busa or GSXR and I will give it you back ten fold.

The kind of pissy attitoods we see more so nowadays really puts me off meeting and joining up with other bikers I don't know.

Classic example is my mate Nick who is an original 59 club member. He turned up at the Ace Cafe for the Mods and Rockers reunion on his brand new Gen 2 Hayabusa and got told to park it somewhere else by some snotty nosed kid who said to Nick only Brit bikes could park on the frontage. Fair to see that Nick threw a rod !
He reckons there is more hate and prejudice towards bikers now that at any time in the past.
In my time it certainly aint got any better.

Bikers used to be about Anti-establishment views and actions. That was a pull then for me. We know the law very well, we abuse the law and defy the system. Or so it was.....

I grew up in a biker town, where the main drag was bikes parked each side top to bottom every saturday. If you werent on a bike you didnt exist.
We carried weapons and did things that probably wouldnt be too cool now.
My local pub was a biker pub and if you werent a biker and wasnt wearing leathers you couldnt come in.

Love the bikes, disillusioned with what bikers have become.

[eastbeast]

Originally Posted by busa

I started biking for one thing.... the feelings of pure freedom.
I'm a rider first and foremost.

Bikers have changed a lot since I got my first road bike in 75. I'd been riding off road from the age of 11. I dont like the new breed of bikers and how its become subdivided into individual brands and types of motorcycles.

We get enough prejudice and hate as bikers full stop without certain groups of bikers not liking other groups of bikers. I get sick to death of the inner prejudice about what bike you ride. When I started on the road, any bike was ok, we were all bikers. It was the fact that you rode a bike period !

Way too many tarts, posers and pretenders now and those who have no idea about our unwritten "code".

I genuinely don't give a shit about what people ride, but show me prejudice or hate because I ride a Busa or GSXR and I will give it you back ten fold.

The kind of pissy attitoods we see more so nowadays really puts me off meeting and joining up with other bikers I don't know.

Classic example is my mate Nick who is an original 59 club member. He turned up at the Ace Cafe for the Mods and Rockers reunion on his brand new Gen 2 Hayabusa and got told to park it somewhere else by some snotty nosed kid who said to Nick only Brit bikes could park on the frontage. Fair to see that Nick threw a rod !
He reckons there is more hate and prejudice towards bikers now that at any time in the past.
In my time it certainly aint got any better.

Bikers used to be about Anti-establishment views and actions. That was a pull then for me. We know the law very well, we abuse the law and defy the system. Or so it was.....

I grew up in a biker town, where the main drag was bikes parked each side top to bottom every saturday. If you werent on a bike you didnt exist.
We carried weapons and did things that probably wouldnt be too cool now.
My local pub was a biker pub and if you werent a biker and wasnt wearing leathers you couldnt come in.

Love the bikes, disillusioned with what bikers have become.

I also started on the road then, so we are probably about the same age?

You have reminded me that there was back then a bit of an attitude, make and size snobbery I seem to remember!

In my case I gained the respect of the slightly older, bigger bike owners in a couple of ways.

I raced at some of the tracks that the club provided marshals for meetings, Thruxton, Brands, plus a few RAF Airfield circuits.
I rode on the road almost as hard as I did on the track.

Consequently I was offered the use of most of the bikes other people had, both track and road, with some asking to show the owner how to get out of them what I did.

I'm not saying I was anything special, perhaps I was more approachable than a lot of other riders, I know some I raced with who never went to the clubs they were 'members' of. I think they were a bit 'elitist'.

Back then also more people had to have a bike for transport, now I think its a thing one has because they want a bike, not out of necessity.

Never carried any weapons though, never felt the need, and still don't / wouldn't!

[busa]

Originally Posted by eastbeast

I also started on the road then, so we are probably about the same age?

You have reminded me that there was back then a bit of an attitude, make and size snobbery I seem to remember!

In my case I gained the respect of the slightly older, bigger bike owners in a couple of ways.

I raced at some of the tracks that the club provided marshals for meetings, Thruxton, Brands, plus a few RAF Airfield circuits.
I rode on the road almost as hard as I did on the track.

Consequently I was offered the use of most of the bikes other people had, both track and road, with some asking to show the owner how to get out of them what I did.

I'm not saying I was anything special, perhaps I was more approachable than a lot of other riders, I know some I raced with who never went to the clubs they were 'members' of. I think they were a bit 'elitist'.

Back then also more people had to have a bike for transport, now I think its a thing one has because they want a bike, not out of necessity.

Never carried any weapons though, never felt the need, and still don't / wouldn't!

Yeah I guess we must be round the same age.
I was only a kid when I started on the road and all my mates had "big stuff".
Norton Commandos, Bonnies, BSAs, and quite a few early Jap XS750/850/1100, Z900, Big Guzzi's etc. But they always treated me with utmost respect, they treated me like a brother. I used to hang round with some colourful lads and yes we all carried weapons for protection, a lot of people did. Flick knives, blades, chains, knuckle dusters etc. It was "normal". But it was a very different era to now. It was free and just as violent as today. People today just carry guns?

I still get into fights and will defend myself even now, its a way of life to me.
I grew up fighting and stayed that way. I'm not a drunken prat though, I don't drink.

All of this about us living in a civilised society is utter rubbish, its a lie.
I often think society is more violent than it was back in the 70s, what do you think?

To all of us in the 70s cars were for cissies. We wouldnt have a car as a matter of principle. I had a bike only well into my mid 20s. Used it for everything all year round. Snow? Ice? no matter.
Before electric starts came in?
When.... if you werent big or strong enough to kick a bike over or strong enough to put it on its centre stand, or to push it around you couldnt have one. A long time before side stands.

But I never joined a bike club and see no reason to now. It doesnt add anything to my life.

I want to be really free and not part of anything. I will not be owned.
I struggle with being part of the human race at times. But then again with my past experiences outside of this reality, its not very surprising. I don't feel very human. You understand ?

Its nice to chat with you !

[my hero]

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[my hero]

It's something like the Moonies, but with more mumbo jumbo. The methods are basically the same.

[ksigmason]

Originally Posted by my hero

It's something like the Moonies, but with more mumbo jumbo. The methods are basically the same.

The ignorant do consider facts to be mumbo jumbo when they conflict with their agenda.

[my hero]

As shown here, all cultists, be they moonies, children of god, rajneeshis, the journey, church universal triumphant,on and on, exhibit the same proclivity to defend their cult at all costs.

This is because they have been brainwashed and indoctrinated. The brainwashing technique is actually very simple. If you recollect the 'love bombing' technique used by the children of god cult, it involved showing great warmth, affection and interest towards the target, with one specific directive- it must always be on the left hand side of the target.

Inner feelings of affection are drawn out and attached to the 'programmer.' Once this has been accomplished, the sky's the limit.
All very simple. An old, well known technique, known as 'the left hand path.'

It is a waste of time trying to engage such a person in intelligent conversation. Their head is full of shit and without a doubt, they'll try to convince you of the rightness of their cause.

They are no longer an independent, individual thinker.
They have become the cult.
Don't become like them.
Don't be a cult all your life.

[ksigmason]

As shown here, it seems people need to attack other beliefs to validate themselves; a great sign of insecurity.

We Masons defend only what we know to be true.

You call us brainwashed, but maybe you should check the mirror before you shout out defamatory statements.

Where in Masonry does this "brainwashing" occur? What ceremony? Who does the said brainwashing? Why haven't my family and friends noticed changes?

They are no longer an independent, individual thinker.

I'd disagree wholeheartedly with this. It's very apparent you've never actually been around Masons. Individual thought is encouraged in Freemasonry.

[my hero]

It's pointless to continue with this. Bye.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by my hero

It's pointless to continue with this. Bye.

I could have told you that ages ago...pointless getting into debates with the so called masons on here, one will just go around in ever decreasing circles...I suppose that suits their agenda on here...typing pointless info less crap...and sliding other peoples well researched info out of the way thinking they can push it out of sight...

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[psquared]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

[SIZE="2"]I could have told you that ages ago...pointless getting into debates with the so called masons on here, one will just go around in ever decreasing circles.[/B]

So why do you?? Still waiting for your response to prove I am just a "so called" Mason....Try me...

[ksigmason]

Originally Posted by my hero

It's pointless to continue with this. Bye.

Well, we're not going to take the slander thrown at us even though you think we should.

[psquared]

Originally Posted by my hero

It's pointless to continue with this. Bye.

I have never found it pointless to defend one's self from false accusation. So I will stay and do that. Bye.

[azureaura]

Why are you on here anyway? Could it be to try and change prevailing opinion of your cause and objectives? Where is the information on masons which dispells the prevailing wisdom on the masons and their objectives? This psyop on here to try and make people be aligned to their aims and what they do does not appear to work.

Why is there not money spent on publicity and re education campaigns to highlight the positive effect of the masons?

[trux newman]

Can anyone shed some light on the red vs blue phenomena and how it relates to red and blue lodges?

Who are the red and the blue teams and why do we see those colours everywhere? Red and blue corners in boxing, red and blue as the main football teams, red and blue political parties, red and blue bloods etc.

[my hero]

It's called controlled opposition. The Romans even had red and blue chariot teams in the Collosseum as a distraction for the urban masses. Nowadays.....television. Much more people drawn in and you can get them all into an hypnotic state at the same time to promulgate subliminals on them. Simples!

[ksigmason]

Originally Posted by trux newman

Can anyone shed some light on the red vs blue phenomena and how it relates to red and blue lodges?

For clarification, the competition you see between "red and blue" doesn't relate to "red and blue lodges". Red Lodges is an old term used to refer to Royal Arch Masonry. Today Red Lodges are known as "Chapters".

[eastbeast]

Originally Posted by ksigmason

For clarification, the competition you see between "red and blue" doesn't relate to "red and blue lodges". Red Lodges is an old term used to refer to Royal Arch Masonry. Today Red Lodges are known as "Chapters".

Or here in the UK, Stewards Lodges, where the aprons and collars are red?

We don't tend to focus on colour though.
'Blue Lodge' 'Red Lodge' - Meaningless.

[ksigmason]

Originally Posted by eastbeast

Or here in the UK, Stewards Lodges, where the aprons and collars are red?

We don't tend to focus on colour though.
'Blue Lodge' 'Red Lodge' - Meaningless.

One of these days I'm going to make it over to England and I'll have to come visit.