David Icke, Alex J - This is not a game

[halbacht]

David says in the video that people on the internet who are informed and know the agenda should start making a difference.

But he says that like we 100% KNOW what is the real agenda etc.

Thats not the case!

I can say i spend a lot of time reading all kind of books and reading on the internet about all kind of conspiracies and about the elite etc but i can not say that i know what is about to happen to us. I have my opinion but at the end of the day its all speculation.

I dont know if David Icke is the real deal or not.

I know that i dont trust alex jones.

[ritchs]

Most of the time, when someone refers to "the sheeps" I believe they are talking in a generalization, not a superior or condescending way.

I use it occasionally myself. The more I learn the more stupid i realize I am, and how much more I need to know.

I think in the forums people refer to "not awake people" as those of us who are still falling for the left-right paradigm. I am a former sheep, and am still a 'sheep' because I have so much more to learn.

I think they are referring to those who are in a deep fog yet, one we all were in before. Its a one word shorthand term without needing to write a manifesto

[little_miss]

Originally Posted by fuzzylogic

I think you make an interesting point.

Where's the divide between Icke's work and conspiracies?

Can't say for sure, but I doubt Icke would agree with EVERY conspiracy talked about here. Heck, he even spoke out against some of the Olympic stuff so it's pretty safe to say that. So does that mean we can only disagree with the conspiracies that he disagrees with?

I think part of the problem is that Icke says something like this and every single person thinks "Yeah!" when some of those people are the people that Icke's talking about. But they see themselves on Icke's side so assume he means all the people opposing their own view point.

Ultimately there's not a huge amount of Icke's work discussed here. Not in Today's News or General anyway.

EXACTLY

I dont think there is one. I think this is seen as just a general conspiracy forum, like many others, and it is to a certain extent. I just think surely if someone is going to go through the hassle of signing up they should at least be a little bit aware of the things that will be discussed. Maybe they want to find out more without doing the hard work themselves?! Causing arguments to get the answers to questions? Who knows!

There is only so much of Davids work that can be shown/talked about, its up to us to do the research and hope that when we present it we are spoken to fairly.

I suppose we need to be a wee bit more sympathetic maybe? I know its all so confusing at the start, people dont want to believe, its like insulting their way of life!!

[beldazar]

Originally Posted by little_miss

I hope you dont think I was having a dig at the moderation of the forum x

I sometimes feel like I would be giving you guys more work if I was to report threads. There are too many threads with people saying "why does everything have to be a conspiracy, thats what I hate about this forum" but surely people come here because they are interested in David Icke's work and he says to question everything. Topsy turvy land. Whatever the govt/media tell you the truth is likely to be the opposite. Its almost as if people are here just for the conspiracies, rather than David Icke's work. Does that make sense?

For example the recent celebs who have died, and there are posts of all sorts of clues stacking up to suggest things aren't what they seem and then someone comes along and someone comes along and says its rediculous ect, it puts me off posting. Surely if you disagree then just ignore the threads?? Rather than knowing you are gonna upset people & just doing it anyway.

sorry im ranting a bit

Sorry i'm not explaining myself very well.

I think you have explained it very well little miss. If the subject topic sounds ridiculous to someone then why not just pass it by?
I am in fact guilty of not always doing that. If I think a thread is ridiculous or has the potential to harm other people I might pipe up and say something.
I deleted a friend on FB the other day as they so often take the piss of my topics and usually I can cope with it but I was feeling lower than an earthworm and feel that they are inadvertently working for the control system by trying to discredit my warnings. I have seen them post some ridiculous things themselves in the past but have never said so, I just pass them by.

[largejack]

Originally Posted by unify

I've just watched the new video posted today with Alex Jones and David titled, Attacked by the gimps, this is not a game. I'm so happy to see this video and listen to David talk about the pathetic people who post on various forums in a negative, ignorant, disillusioned, ill - informed, asleep manner. I've not been a member of this forum for so long but I quickly came to realize that when you try to discuss a topic, theory or idea in a logical way there is always someone there to try to negate your discussion in an arrogant, I'm more intellectual than you kind of way. I mean how sad do people have to be to go onto a forum as a hobby and discredit every theory that people present. It makes me sick and I'm so happy to know that I'm not alone in my opinion.

I value other peoples opinions and I like a good discussion but it really gets me when people reply to a thread and the first words they type are, THAT'S JUST or YOUR JUST, either of these statements doesn't really make way for a discussion does it.

Thanks Mr. Icke

Constructive criticism is discussion and that is a positive thing. If we all came on here and sang from the exact same hymn sheet it would be too cult like; on the otherhand, you are dead right, there are some really venemous troll-like individuals who are ready to spring at seemingly any time of the day, and who will just tear peoples' views apart in a contemptuous, talking to a child - like manner.

[unify]

Originally Posted by ex sheep

Point them out and we will take care of it, we cannot read everything in here, this is where you do your bit

Duly noted ex sheep, thanks for the advice

[unify]

Originally Posted by kaiser

Just watched on youtube twice, the second time i took notes thanks for posting

I think I need some guidance and support because I am lost for what to do, David said amongst other things:

This is not a playground.

Stop being a juvenile and start being an adult, this is not a game this is real and if we dont treat it as such and support each other as such we will regret it for a long time.

Its not a game its real

If your awake then get involved

This is not a hobby or add on to peoples life, situation requires it become the focus of your life and not just a playground.

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My question is :

How to bridge the gap between knowledge and action and remain motivated to action the knowledge.

This is starting to boil my blood because everybody is shouting do something but nobody knows what to do......


I am wrong?

I can see your point of view kaiser. I find it frustrating at times too when I feel that people are just talking and taking no action.

You must find out what you need to do because nobody can do that for you. What I try to do is unplug from the matrix as much as I possibly can at any given time, I try to look at myself and study my flaws and then work on them. I also try to expand an open mind and educate myself as much as possible. If we can't change ourselves for the better first, than how can we expect to change the world for the better. Find truth, love, beauty in everything, that would be a good start.

Peace and love and action my friend.

[anders7777]

Originally Posted by little_miss

EXACTLY

I dont think there is one. I think this is seen as just a general conspiracy forum, like many others, and it is to a certain extent. I just think surely if someone is going to go through the hassle of signing up they should at least be a little bit aware of the things that will be discussed. Maybe they want to find out more without doing the hard work themselves?! Causing arguments to get the answers to questions? Who knows!

There is only so much of Davids work that can be shown/talked about, its up to us to do the research and hope that when we present it we are spoken to fairly.

I suppose we need to be a wee bit more sympathetic maybe? I know its all so confusing at the start, people dont want to believe, its like insulting their way of life!!

IMHO you shouldn't be here if you haven't read his books and listened to his talks.

Their are far too many moronic time wasters here. Some paid, some just getting their jolliindri wind people up and or take the piss generally.

[unify]

Originally Posted by little_miss

I hope you dont think I was having a dig at the moderation of the forum x

I sometimes feel like I would be giving you guys more work if I was to report threads. There are too many threads with people saying "why does everything have to be a conspiracy, thats what I hate about this forum" but surely people come here because they are interested in David Icke's work and he says to question everything. Topsy turvy land. Whatever the govt/media tell you the truth is likely to be the opposite. Its almost as if people are here just for the conspiracies, rather than David Icke's work. Does that make sense?

For example the recent celebs who have died, and there are posts of all sorts of clues stacking up to suggest things aren't what they seem and then someone comes along and someone comes along and says its rediculous ect, it puts me off posting. Surely if you disagree then just ignore the threads?? Rather than knowing you are gonna upset people & just doing it anyway.

sorry im ranting a bit

Sorry i'm not explaining myself very well.

That's a really good point and well said little miss. It is a tricky situation to deal with because it's so difficult to draw the lines. I like to discuss my own and other peoples threads but sometimes people wont discuss the topic and decide to throw S*-t at me instead. At the end of the day this forum should be a stage to discuss the topics that David Icke presents, everyone is entitled to their opinion but sometimes it seems more like a stage to discredit Davids work. I don't envy being a moderator because it is a challenging job. And I'm a firm believer that some people have joined this forum with the sole purpose of destroying it for whatever reasons.

[unify]

Originally Posted by halbacht

David says in the video that people on the internet who are informed and know the agenda should start making a difference.

But he says that like we 100% KNOW what is the real agenda etc.

Thats not the case!

I can say i spend a lot of time reading all kind of books and reading on the internet about all kind of conspiracies and about the elite etc but i can not say that i know what is about to happen to us. I have my opinion but at the end of the day its all speculation.

I dont know if David Icke is the real deal or not.

I know that i dont trust alex jones.

It's not speculation when you can see a pattern and can join the dots. Just as an analysts does, his/her findings are not speculation, they are the decoded truth.

I don't trust Alex Jones either.

[unify]

Originally Posted by ritchs

Most of the time, when someone refers to "the sheeps" I believe they are talking in a generalization, not a superior or condescending way.

I use it occasionally myself. The more I learn the more stupid i realize I am, and how much more I need to know.

I think in the forums people refer to "not awake people" as those of us who are still falling for the left-right paradigm. I am a former sheep, and am still a 'sheep' because I have so much more to learn.

I think they are referring to those who are in a deep fog yet, one we all were in before. Its a one word shorthand term without needing to write a manifesto

I agree. I usually refer to a sheep as someone who is really in the dark or as you say a deep fog. I tried to discuss to a poster how governments work behind the shadows...example - the CIA had funded the overthrow of Fidel Castro. They couldn't comprehend such an action. I also gave my opinion that the British government was rife with members of secret societies and their reply to this was, governments fear the people, the idea that we have a shadow government is ludacris. Give me a F'=-ing break please! Is this information not common knowledge???

[unify]

Originally Posted by largejack

Constructive criticism is discussion and that is a positive thing. If we all came on here and sang from the exact same hymn sheet it would be too cult like; on the otherhand, you are dead right, there are some really venemous troll-like individuals who are ready to spring at seemingly any time of the day, and who will just tear peoples' views apart in a contemptuous, talking to a child - like manner.

I agree with what you say, constructive criticism is a positive thing and I have learnt a lot through it on this forum. It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything. I keep getting people assuming I'm really young and still in school, it's quite annoying and condescending although it has made me think of how I sometimes chose to communicate my opinions. Some people come across so arrogant though, it drains my energy at times. I guess I should learn not be so sensitive and just accept that there are rude idiotic people everywhere, it's just a hard thing to accept when you post on this forum with the preconception that it is a realm to discuss anything without ridicule and you find out that it is quite the opposite.

[unify]

Originally Posted by anders7777

IMHO you shouldn't be here if you haven't read his books and listened to his talks.

Their are far too many moronic time wasters here. Some paid, some just getting their jolliindri wind people up and or take the piss generally.

Well said anders, some are definitely paid as I really can't see how else these people could justify their words. It would be a total waste of time for them otherwise.

[anders7777]

Originally Posted by unify

Well said anders, some are definitely paid as I really can't see how else these people could justify their words. It would be a total waste of time for them otherwise.

It is no secret that Israel for example employs literally thousands of sick puppets to infiltrate all forums and threads that discuss Israel and its atrocious activities. Alex jones Alan watt David icke have all warned us time after time about forums being infiltrated. We just have to deal with it and not get derailed. I find ridicule works a treat

They don't like it up 'em!

They don't like it up em - YouTube

They don't like it up em - YouTube

[thewiseone]

It is digsutsing. But you have to remember that these PEOPLE HVE BEEN PROGRAMMED BY THE MEDIA TO disbelieve any alternative views. I don't think I speak for meself when I say that trying to get your kids (or any family for that matter) to believe in what's really going on is very hard. Brainwashed. Sad.

[unify]

Originally Posted by anders7777

It is no secret that Israel for example employs literally thousands of sick puppets to infiltrate all forums and threads that discuss Israel and its atrocious activities. Alex jones Alan watt David icke have all warned us time after time about forums being infiltrated. We just have to deal with it and not get derailed. I find ridicule works a treat

They don't like it up 'em!

They don't like it up em - YouTube

I'll keep that in mind. They don't like it up em lol
I'll try to put those words into practice, although I've witnessed some of your shining examples and they seem to work a treat

[shanticat]

Originally Posted by unify

I'll keep that in mind. They don't like it up em lol
I'll try to put those words into practice, although I've witnessed some of your shining examples and they seem to work a treat

Just try to keep within the forum guidelines
Don't want to have to deal with the wrong guys when there are bigger fish to fry

[anders7777]

Originally Posted by unify

I'll keep that in mind. They don't like it up em lol
I'll try to put those words into practice, although I've witnessed some of your shining examples and they seem to work a treat

Trouble with me is I don't know when to stop, or rather, I do, but do it anyway! Us Brits are rather good at satire, it is an old old technique, ideal for bursting the bubbles of the political class for example.

Cf. Private Eye

[unify]

Originally Posted by shanticat

Just try to keep within the forum guidelines
Don't want to have to deal with the wrong guys when there are bigger fish to fry

Duly noted

[shanticat]

Originally Posted by unify

Duly noted

Thanks
Just makes our job here a lot easier
Team work is the key