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The blogger has noticed very important details from testimony from the trial. I think there are many involved in Michael Jackson's murder & more involved in the coverup.  Video Surveillance system When checking the surveillance footage, Supall said they were just looking for a time of arrival. They have high tech surveillance system, and all they want to do is check what time the deceased came home? If it’s still a death investigation, isn’t it possible that surveillance footage may hold a clue to what happened? So why just look for a time of arrival? Martinez is the one who said that he decided what to record. Since it was only a death investigation, how would he know at that time that the only parts to keep had to do with CM and Michael’s arrival that night on the day that Michael had passed? At that point, there was very little knowledge of the facts. It makes more sense that LAPD would have downloaded it all & then decide later what to keep- then get rid of unnecessary parts later. Moving on, what type of system Carolwood had was a topic discussed at several forums. At one forum (which I will keep anonymous), one member said the type of camera that Carolwoood had needed to be hooked up to the phone line in order to work. This was a very common security system used in many homes. At another forum, someone says it was a motion detecting one. Supall says he needed to “trace back the video line” in order to find the DVR where all the footage went to be saved. Then, we had reports of phone lines not working from Murray, fans, and staff. Sometimes these phones would work, and sometimes they wouldn’t. On the morning of the 25th, none of the lines in the house were working. Thought: Maybe someone was tweaking with the camera system that morning and that’s why the phones weren’t working. I bring this up because Supall did say he had to “trace the line” into the house, and from there, follow it to the basement. Now, let’s look at this 12:30 time period of when Michael arrived home and when his van is shown driving into the gates. Phillips’ says the rehearsal that night ended around 12:30. Michael Bearden said he was “one of the last to leave”. He had to wait because Michael’s car was blocking his. With this, we know that Michael too was one of the very last people to leave rehearsal that night. So he probably didn’t leave Staples exactly around 12:30. No one mentioned that in testimony. Quick question, MAW said they would have security go warm up the car first, so wouldn’t the car have been unblocked then? Let’s see what some follower fans say about the time. Sandy: We decided to write letters to Michael himself, each of us wrote a letter individually, but all had the same sentiment about our fears over Michael’s condition, pleading for him to take better care of himself, to love himself, and put himself before the tour. The letters were given directly into Michael’s hands outside his rehearsal studio the night before he passed away. Michael tried to phone Talitha (one of the fans who actually gave the letters and Michael knew very well) several times from the Staples Center, but the call kept dropping and we will never know what he wanted to say. (Notice the inconsistency between Samantha and Talitha regarding the time Michael left Staples Center.) Samantha: Tuesday, 06 October 2009 16:24 Last Updated on Friday, 29 October 2010 18:47 Once all the letters were collected and a plan was in place, we decided to intervene on June 24th, 2009. We did in fact manage to get them in his hands that afternoon. That night would be the last time I’d see him, leaving Staples Center at around 1.30 am on June 25th,2009. (Link to original source is down) http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/node/310208 Talitha: When Michael left the Staples Center, at around 12.30 am, he rolled his window down all the way and leaned out, wearing a HUGE smile. And when he returned to his house, we lined up on each side of the entrance as usual to greet him. He cracked the window just a few inches and stuck out his hand. I squeezed his fingers as his car rolled by and slipped him a note, reminding him of the statement. Then we all waved him goodnight. When Amir left a short while later, I asked him what had happened with the phone call. He told me the reception at the Staples was poor. Another statement from Talitha: “I saw him last night. I was with him after his rehearsals about 1 o’clock yesterday morning,” she said. http://www.michaeljacksonthelastange...ast-night.html Talitha should have taken a photo of her evidence of this phone call to Michael’s number so we can know what time he was at rehearsals. Unfortunately, it was only a death investigation at the time. Now, some brought up daylight savings time and say that’s the reason for this hour difference. I looked back to daylight savings time in 2009, and DST in LA for 2009 was on March 8. Nearly three months ago. That’s more than enough time for people to get used to the time change. There’s Talitha and Sam contradicting each other about the times. And then, Sam contradicting her own self, because about two years later, Sam starts going with Talitha’s time that they left Staples at 12:30, not 1:30 as in her initial testimony. Samantha’s initial story is clear. He “CAME OUT” at 1:30. If you’re driving to your residence, you don’t “come out”. Even if you role down your window, it’s unlikely someone would describe it in that way. But Talitha, I don’t see how she could mix that up. As I said before, daylight savings time was nearly three months before. I asked someone among the follower fans about Sam contradicting herself. This is along the lines of their response. ‘As for Sam contradicting herself, yes, there is a problem with that. I also know all the fans that were with her at that time stopped being friends with her. I heard they were not happy with what she was doing?’ Thought: Are these fans angry at Sam’s testimony? Do they want her to keep quiet? The same fans who cannot speak up for Michael’s mysterious death. Or, is her memory altered by others telling her it was 12:30? (How Misinformation Alters Memories) http://www2.fiu.edu/~dwright/pdf/misinfo.pdf None, or a vast majority of the fans with Michael that night do not want to speak of what happened. I have to say, this is almost frustrating. It’s not like those fans are on gag order by a contract. It is hard to understand why the Michael’s fans would be quiet, the hardcore ones who followed him and waited for him at night. Usually people have a need to tell their story. The thing is, what or who would make these fans not want to speak up for Michael? I would think that after talking with police, they were put on gag order in order to protect evidence. But that’s not the case, because Sam said she went to the police, and then wrote her testimony for the public as well. With police out, I can’t think of anyone else with such influence but another of MJ’s fans. Now, let’s get back to the time change. Just thought I would point out that if the recording machine did not change its time with daylight savings time- then time of arrival would have gone forward an hour. Talitha wouldn’t have seen him at 1:00, but at 2:00. Karen Faye is correct. Samatha’s initial testimony just days after is correct. Daniel Celebre is correct. Supall’s testimony was that the “clock set on the DVR, that would be it’s date” & “time on the DVR” @26:47 Who reset the clock on the DVR after DST? Faheem didn’t know where the DVR was, so he didn’t change the time. I don’t think it was ever changed. The DVR was not in the attic. For one thing, I don’t think the security knew where it was. Supall was asked if someone directed him to the hard drive, he answered no. Supall traced it to inside the house & from there found it was 2 stories down in the basement- behind the entertainment center, the theater. @ 18:01 I think Supall, Martinez & Faheem did not notice about the time. He testified it recorded minute for minute & they sounded like they were going back & forth on tape, only looking for predetermined arrivals of CM & Michael’s security. LAPD really limited the investigation within hours if that was all they wanted for evidence. I think if security had someone came in from the outside that they didn’t want on tape, the bodyguards could just cover the camera if they needed to. Chernoff keeps asking about ones pointed at the front door, but that is going nowhere as nothing to substantiate it apparently. What I think happened is the LAPD took this time as correct from the DVR, the time being not changed was overlooked, and everyone got in lockstep as that being the correct time- this time frame got put out, also since a lot of people are not correct with time. There was probably confusion about the time, with people leaving from rehearsal at different times, depending on what you were doing. Nowadays alot of people don’t where watches, they use their cell phones. It would have been a good question for Chernoff to ask if anyone changed the time on the machine but that question is not in his client’s interest. If someone gave CM a timeline for the drugs CM gave Michael and he was told do this & it will all go away. I think that Chernoff knows very well that his client is messed up in something, that is why one of CM’s supporters said on TV the other day about Michael being killed by the Hollywood Mafia. Also Chernoff keeps mentioning to the jury that CM is on trial for his life. http://whathappenedjune25.wordpress.com/ |
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19-07-2012, 01:56 PM
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Thanks for a great detailed post Trixie.
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19-07-2012, 05:28 PM
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This is also very interesting- the overlapping of people from the people Randy Quaid named as "starwhackers" - criminals who need to be in jail.
People affiliated with Branca, who have been affiliated with other celebrity and estate scandals: - Weitzman - Alan Watenmaker - Gelfand, Rennert and Feldman - City National Bank - Paul Gordon Hoffman - Zia Modabber - Bert Fields - Shawn Holley - Sony - Quincy Jones - Tommy Mottola - Mark Geragos - Karen Langford - Trudy Green - Alan Whitman - David Braun Remember Randy Quaid, who was on the run from stalkers and those trying to steal his property? What was the list of people he gave us that were conspiring to ruin him? At 1:30 Alan Watenmaker – Estate Planner Warren Grant – Business Manager Lloyd Braun – Ex Attorney Bruce Berman – Studio Executive City National Bank – Entertainment Division Loans taken out in his name WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE They’ve been able to do these things Quaid said, through the creation of a phony probate file, phony living trusts (Branca), secret bank accounts, FAKE LOANS, bogus corporations, SMEAR CAMPAIGNS AND FALSE ARREST. Sounds like the same blueprint they followed for Kurt Cobain’s missing estate monies and . . . Michael Jackson! from Bonnie http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com...e-part-ii.html |
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20-07-2012, 05:50 AM
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It is so great that the family is contesting the will- it is fake, flawed & fraudulent.
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25-07-2012, 08:11 AM
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08-08-2012, 05:48 PM
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Interesting:
Michael Jackson estate The two-week Jackson family drama took another turn with a statement issued by Janet Jackson's attorney blasting the executors of Michael Jackson's estate. In the statement, Janet Jackson, her brother Randy and sister Rebbie strongly denied that they were trying to benefit financially from their late brother Michael's estate. They accused the executors of trying to divide the family and distract from questions about the legitimacy of Michael Jackson’s will. “They stand to gain nothing financially by a finding that the will is invalid,” Blair G. Brown, a Washington attorney for Janet Jackson, wrote in the statement released Friday. “What will be gained ... is that the executors will be replaced and the estate and the guardianship will be managed in a manner that is in the best interest of the children, which is what Michael wanted." Allegations that the siblings were holding their 82-year-old mother against her will in Arizona made international headlines last week and resulted in a new custody arrangement in which the family matriarch shares guardianship of Michael Jackson’s three children. The 2002 will accepted by a probate judge after Jackson’s death three years ago gave music industry veterans John Branca and John McClain control of an estate with an estimated worth of $1 billion. The court-approved compensation plan gives the executors a 10% cut of some earnings. The siblings have said the will was faked and cited evidence that Michael Jackson was out of town on the day the will indicates he signed the document in Los Angeles. A spokesman for the estate said Friday evening that the legal window for challenging the will has closed, but that two prior wills also named Branca executor and gave no power to Jackson’s siblings. In his statement, Brown accused the executors of barring the three siblings from visiting their mother at the Calabasas home where she lives with her grandchildren. "The effect ... not only is to damage fundamental family relationships, it is also to isolate Katherine Jackson from anyone questioning the validity of the will,” Brown wrote. The executors’ spokesman said Katherine Jackson and the children’s newly appointed co-guardian, Tito Joe “T.J.” Jackson, have the final say on who is allowed at the residence. |
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08-08-2012, 06:55 PM
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Kurt Cobain's widow on the MJ will posted on 6-26-09 - the lawyers: Weitzman, Branca
Courtneylove says on Twitter is there a satan? "Heheh we got our bank! we forged the Jackson will we took the Cobain trust" HEEEEHHHH..yes MY LAWYERS. ************************************************** * the above sound familiar: Fifth Beatle' Estate War Heats Up http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291363,00.html A really on-the-ball bankruptcy judge in Los Angeles has finally put the heat on the trustee handling the finances of late rock star Billy Preston. Calling the court-appointed trustee for the estate "overzealous" and "misguided," Judge Theodor C. Albert has given R. Todd Neilson until Aug. 12 to return any property he took from Preston's partner and manager, Joyce Moore, including redirected mail, hundreds of thousands of dollars and luxury automobiles. Love Cobain claims that they deposit the money with their bank, The Private Bank of California which then distributes the booty to their mafia friends. Love Cobain writes on facebook:noone "banks" there its where r todd bankrupts you or you die and your estate is diverted there and then moved on ( the Jackson and Cobain cash and Britney Spears money too) to the mafias other places. look up the Maurelli family, note Joe Maurelli on Riverside Crystal associates, note that Wietzman and Branca used to refer to "thier bank" in front of me all the aTIME NOTE: I was going back through all my old emails and links and found the above, sure enough its from June 25,2009 and i happen to copy it as i had been following what was going on with the Cobain Estate and Courtney's various twitter facebook accounts From Twiggy: http://mjhoaxlive.blogspot.com/2012/....html?spref=tw Last edited by trixie; 08-08-2012 at 06:56 PM. |
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08-08-2012, 07:01 PM
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Michael Jackson was just another Illuminati puppet, just like the ones we see nowadays. The pop culture always have been a powerful mass control and alienation tool, promoting the consumism and blocking people´s minds.
I really doubt they forged Michael Jackson, for me, he escaped from pedophile accusations very easily. This kind of stuff was never explained clearly. And his reasons for turning into a white person? Not very clear either. Fun to see somebody doing this and singing "no matter if you ´re black or white". Yeah. |
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13-08-2012, 11:40 AM
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Since Anthony Pellicano has a court hearing tomorrow, I thought I would post this article- always looked suspicious - Ron Meyer visited him in jail, I think he was a go between, maybe for Sumner Redstone - & then Pellicano took the fall for everyone.
 What a guy Pellicano was. Maybe they had something on him so he would take the fall. Pellicano even acted as his own lawyer. His wife did get a reality show pilot (payoff). I feel this is just the tip of the iceberg & there is so much more hidden beneath:A Studio Chief's Jailhouse Visits to a Detective Raise Questions By DAVID M. HALBFINGER and ALLISON HOPE WEINER Published: May 1, 2006 Dean Cox/Associated Press Ron Meyer says he is just a friend of Mr. Pellicano. George Wilhelm/The Los Angeles Times Anthony Pellicano has pleaded not guilty. Correction Appended MALIBU, Calif., April 29 — Two days before Christmas 2004, as Hollywood's A-listers were jetting to places like Aspen and Kona, Ron Meyer, the president of Universal Studios, made a trip to a decidedly less glamorous destination. Mr. Meyer got in his Range Rover and drove more than 120 miles north from his home here to Taft, Calif., to visit Anthony Pellicano, the imprisoned private investigator. Mr. Pellicano was in the 14th month of a three-year sentence for possession of explosives, but federal prosecutors in Los Angeles were digging into a mountain of evidence seized from his office that they say pointed to a gigantic eavesdropping enterprise. While Mr. Pellicano's client list included some of the movie business's most influential players — as well as some of their angry ex-spouses — the only heavy hitter known to have visited Mr. Pellicano behind bars was Mr. Meyer. Nowhere in the long-running investigation of Mr. Pellicano, who pleaded not guilty to wiretapping and conspiracy charges, has Mr. Meyer's name been associated with even a whiff of impropriety. But the relationship between the detective and the studio chief holds a lesson about doing business in Hollywood, where loyalty holds an exalted value, and where an executive who expects to survive at the top must be able to understand the industry's seamy underworld for what it is, without tumbling into it. Mr. Meyer bridled at being asked by reporters about his relationship with Mr. Pellicano. "I'm offended that my friendship would be questioned," he said on Saturday. "I like him the way anybody would like a friend. He's never given me any reason to feel differently about him. I'm not his judge, and all these charges against him haven't been proven. The only way I can judge anybody is how they treat me, and Anthony's never given me a reason to think of him as anything but a friend, and frankly, a stand-up guy." Yet Mr. Meyer's visits raised questions with the government, and he wound up explaining them to the F.B.I. and a grand jury, evidence and interviews with agents show. Investigators asked Mr. Meyer about a debt Mr. Pellicano tried to collect for him, as well as his relationship with Michael S. Ovitz, his former business partner and co-founder of the Creative Artists Agency, and about a conversation in which Mr. Meyer urged Mr. Pellicano to "drop a dime on" Mr. Ovitz. In an interview with two F.B.I. agents on March 31, 2004, Mr. Meyer said that he had met Mr. Pellicano through his wife, Kelly, who briefly worked as a typist in the detective's office a decade and a half earlier. After their marriage in 1992, Mr. Meyer told the agents, Mr. Pellicano often sent cards and gifts. Mr. Meyer described Mr. Pellicano as a friend, but not a close friend, the agents wrote in a summary of the interview that was seen by The New York Times. The two men ate lunch together about four times a year, sometimes shooting pool, but were never guests in each other's homes. Yet Mr. Pellicano never spoke to him about wiretapping, Mr. Meyer told the agents. Mr. Meyer acknowledged to the F.B.I. that he had once retained Mr. Pellicano to collect a debt from a neighbor. In 1997, Mr. Meyer lent $300,000 to Bilal Baroody, a businessman with homes in Malibu and Spain. When the loan came due a year later, Mr. Baroody was gone and did not return Mr. Meyer's calls. According to the F.B.I., Mr. Meyer later mentioned this to Mr. Pellicano, who offered to collect the debt, saying he had "guys in Spain." Mr. Meyer assumed Mr. Pellicano would find him and "pester" him, but Mr. Pellicano "never discussed the methods he would employ." Mr. Meyer wrote a check for Mr. Pellicano's $25,000 retainer, and also offered to split with him any money collected. On March 15, 1999, prosecutors have charged, Mr. Pellicano had a police source illegally run a criminal background check on Mr. Baroody, who could not be reached for this article. Mr. Baroody was also in a dispute at the time with the late Edward Masry, a lawyer who used Mr. Pellicano's services. Mr. Meyer told the F.B.I. that he heard nothing more of Mr. Baroody until June 2002, when he received a letter in which his former neighbor promised to repay the debt someday. Around 2000, Mr. Pellicano asked Mr. Meyer for a personal loan of $100,000, citing "business and family problems." Mr. Meyer agreed, without putting anything in writing. Mr. Pellicano later offered a "good-faith payment," Mr. Meyer told the agents, but said he had not yet resolved his problems. Mr. Meyer told him not to bother. And in early 2003 — after Mr. Pellicano's arrest but before his incarceration — Mr. Meyer told the F.B.I. that he was asked by Bert Fields, a lawyer and a friend, to give money to a trust for Mr. Pellicano's family. Mr. Fields, who often used Mr. Pellicano's services, has acknowledged being a subject of the wiretapping investigation, but has not been charged with anything and has said he was never aware of any wrongdoing. Mr. Meyer agreed to help, envisioning gifts of $20,000 a year for two years, he told the F.B.I., but heard no more about it. Several months later, he raised the subject with Mr. Pellicano, who said he doubted anyone would be willing to help him. But Mr. Meyer offered to call potential donors, with the idea of raising $100,000 to $120,000, he told the agents. Mr. Meyer told the F.B.I. that he contacted several people suggested by Mr. Pellicano, but the effort — a version of which is reported in the June issue of Vanity Fair — collapsed when only one other man made a donation, and Mr. Pellicano insisted that the money be returned. The F.B.I. questioned Mr. Meyer closely about Mr. Pellicano's relationship with Mr. Ovitz, who was Mr. Meyer's partner at Creative Artists until 1995, when the two went separate ways in a bitter breakup. For his part, Mr. Ovitz has told F.B.I. agents that in March 2002 Mr. Pellicano had alerted him to "a problem brewing" with Mr. Meyer, and offered to solve it "for a price." A month or two later, Mr. Ovitz asked Mr. Pellicano to get embarrassing information about Mr. Meyer, the agents' notes say. Mr. Ovitz's lawyers deny that he hired Mr. Pellicano to get information on Mr. Meyer. As for the "problem brewing" exchange, an Ovitz lawyer, James H. Ellis, questioned the date and context in the F.B.I. account. Rather, Mr. Ellis said, sometime in 2002 Mr. Pellicano offered to heal the Ovitz-Meyer personal rift; Mr. Ovitz responded by saying there was "no amount of money he wouldn't pay" if that occurred. In Mr. Meyer's account to the F.B.I., Mr. Pellicano asked Mr. Meyer in early 2002 whether taking Mr. Ovitz as a client would affect his relationship with Mr. Meyer. Mr. Meyer said Mr. Pellicano was free to work for Mr. Ovitz, but assailed Mr. Ovitz's integrity, saying that "Ovitz was capable of anything," Mr. Meyer told the F.B.I. Mr. Meyer told the grand jury that months later, Mr. Pellicano intimated that he had come to the same conclusions about Mr. Ovitz. Mr. Meyer also visited Mr. Pellicano behind bars three times — once at the San Bernardino County Jail and twice at Taft — according to evidence reviewed by The Times and confirmed by Mr. Meyer on Saturday. The first of those visits occurred shortly before Mr. Meyer's March 2004 F.B.I. interview. When the F.B.I. agents asked Mr. Meyer why "a man such as himself" would drive so far to see Mr. Pellicano, Mr. Meyer said it was to keep a promise. During the San Bernardino visit, Mr. Meyer told the agents, Mr. Pellicano's legal problems did not come up. Since they "had something in common with Ovitz," Mr. Meyer said, he brought up recent news reports about Mr. Ovitz's difficult tenure as president of the Walt Disney Company. Mr. Pellicano said things and made facial expressions that led Mr. Meyer "to conclude that Ovitz was somehow connected to Pellicano's legal problems," the F.B.I. wrote. Apprised of this jailhouse encounter, Mr. Ellis, the Ovitz lawyer, said: "You've got to be kidding. Mr. Pellicano's legal woes appear to involve the unlawful possession of powerful explosives and the alleged wiretapping of dozens of individuals over several years, never once directed by or known to Mr. Ovitz. No facial expressions or hand gestures could possibly change that." In a subsequent telephone conversation, Mr. Meyer urged Mr. Pellicano to "drop a dime" on Mr. Ovitz, according to a person close to the investigation who refused to be identified to avoid angering prosecutors. Mr. Meyer was asked about that remark before the grand jury, where a tape of the conversation was played. Mr. Meyer, the person said, testified that he told the detective that Mr. Ovitz would not have hesitated to turn on Mr. Pellicano if the roles were reversed. In June 2004, Mr. Meyer visited Mr. Pellicano again, this time at Taft, the minimum-security federal prison where he had been transferred to finish out his sentence. He returned for a last known visit on Dec. 23 of that year. Asked by reporters to explain his repeat visits to Mr. Pellicano behind bars, Mr. Meyer said: "I visited him because he's my friend, and I don't have anything to hide. I know the truth, and I don't care what anybody thinks. "I feel no need to apologize for being his friend," he added. "And when he's able to have visitors, I'll go visit him again." |
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23-08-2012, 07:40 AM
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Michael Jackson
Whatever you believe his fate on June 25. 2009. this video is amazing and clearly shows not just his genius, but how he was a threat to the established order.
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 Great vid. My fav album is Invincible too - the Twilight Zone clips are great, loved watching the show as a kid.
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25-08-2012, 09:21 PM
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If the illuminati did kill Michael, I would think there would be lots of disinformation to keep people from the truth - Conrad Murray is not the only guilty person- found this article on disinformation to put secret societies as positive:
How Hollywood Spreads Disinformation About Secret Societies http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesand...ret-societies/ I believe an important change is taking place in the communication strategies of these elite societies. The advent of the digital age, where any individual can create and publish content has rendered the secrecy of such organizations impossible. Self-published websites, books, documentaries, DVDs and other medias have exposed many secrets of Masonry and other orders. Information which could only be found in rare and exclusive books is now a Google search away. I have encountered some Masons who were astonished by the level of knowledge possessed by the ”profane”. Those types of Masonic scholars, who aren’t actually initiated into the Brotherhood, were very rare not too long ago. Since the digital switch is irreversible (and completed), occult orders have adapted their strategy to this new context (they’ve probably saw this coming years ago). The strategy is : “If they have to know about us, we’ll tell them what to know“. Through Hollywood and best-selling books, secret societies are being introduced to the average Joe but with one BIG condition: the public is given a distorted, caricatured and romantic portrayal of secret societies. We are introducing in pop culture a mythical lore around secret societies, associating them with fascinating symbols, treasures hunts and exotic adventures. The viewers believe they are actually learning facts about Freemasonry or the Illuminati and they leave the movies with a sense of wonder, fascination and admiration. Those feelings are however based on totally erroneous facts, dubious explanations and fairy tale story telling. After viewing those movies, the viewer has a positive predisposition concerning those orders and will be less inclined to believe and research conspiracies related to them. |
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25-08-2012, 09:31 PM
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What is Michael Jackson's relationship with Nation of Islam about?
I ask because I am aware of the messages of various NOI-based sects that have been spread throughout mainstream hip hop culture. I wonder if MJ had any connection with the Five Persent Nation (Nation of Gods & Earths) or the Nuwabian Nation?
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He did have almost all NOI bodyguards around him when he died- Alberto Alvarez, Faheem Muhammed & Michael Amir Williams were the only bodyguards that testified: Here is Michael Amir Williams: |
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26-08-2012, 01:18 AM
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Louis Farrakhan and the Crucifixion of MJ
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I found this on wiki about the Nuwabian Nation - do you have more info?
:The Nuwaubian Nation was centered exclusively around the person of the founder, Malachi (Dwight) York, who legally changed his name several times besides using dozens of aliases. York was born on June 26, 1935 (also reported as 1945[8]).[9] His ministry began in the late 1960s, from 1967 preaching to the Nubians (viz. African Americans) in Brooklyn, and he founded numerous esoteric or quasi-religious fraternal orders under various names during the 1970s and 1980s, at first centered around pseudo-Islamic themes, later moving to a loose Ancient Egypt theme, eclectically mixing ideas taken from black nationalism, cryptozoological and UFO religions and popular conspiracy theory. During the 1980s, he was also active as a musician, as "Dr. York" publishing under the "Passion Records" label. York published some 450 booklets (dubbed "scrolls") under numerous pseudonyms. During the late 1990s, he styled himself a messianic founder-prophet of his movement, sometimes claiming divine status or extraterrestrial origin, appearing on his Savior's Day celebrations at Tama-Re. York was arrested in May 2002, and in 2004 convicted to a 135 year sentence for transporting minors across state lines in the course of sexually molesting them, racketeering, and financial reporting charges. York's case was reported as the largest prosecution for child molestation ever directed at a single person in the history of the United States, both in terms of number of victims and number of incidents. The case was described in the book Ungodly: A True Story of Unprecedented Evil (2007) by Bill Osinski, a reporter who had covered the Nuwaubians in Georgia during the late 1990s. York is denounced by orthodox black Muslims as a fake Muslim, a "Mahdi pretender" and "blasphemer". But some factions of the black supremacist subculture in the United States appear to continue to support York, portraying his conviction as a conspiracy by the "White Power Structure". Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party and York's lawyer, described York as "a great leader of our people [... and] victim of an open conspiracy by our enemy."[10] |
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26-08-2012, 09:37 AM
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A video of a young MF Doom in the Longbeach Nuwaubian community. "I don't eat pork/ So I can be as smooth as my man Dr. York!" Nuwaubian inspired Outkast performance at the Grammy Awards (when Dr York was going through a Native American phase)
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The man without a face, I stay anonymous The way we live day to day stays monotonous -like your bland sound But with the weight of the world on top of us we still stand ground and break down your fascination with the fabrication of the truth Make use of your imagination in the pursuit of expression Not as a disguise to hide behind when adressing your brethrens I reckon the question is this: 'To be or not to be?' - a simple lesson in risk Last edited by feralgoose; 26-08-2012 at 09:38 AM. |
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