Montana Freemen - Steven Charles Interview

[duine]

Steven Charles of the family Hance. 1 of the original 13 Montana Freemen. One man's perspective. You've read the propaganda versions of what went down in the mainstream papers. Tonight we will get the opportunity to hear this mans perspective of what happened. The true story.

Montana Freemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Montana Freemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Montana Freemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Listen he to an interview with Steven Charles of the family Hance 1 of the original 13 Montana Freemen

EPISODE 168 in the following link.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...d=39904&cmd=tc

A great interview with a man who spent 2 years in Jail and 4 years in prison (yes there is a difference), when your in jail after a while you wish you were in prison.
and how right before the trail the judge accepted their offer to discharge the debt obligation so they could walk free but they did not realise it at the time and were returned to jail.

Seems there was some interesting mind connections made during this interview and hopefully will lead to some great new empowerment of the people.

[brianthebrain]

Originally Posted by duine

Steven Charles of the family Hance. 1 of the original 13 Montana Freemen. One man's perspective. You've read the propaganda versions of what went down in the mainstream papers. Tonight we will get the opportunity to hear this mans perspective of what happened. The true story.

Montana Freemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Listen he to an interview with Steven Charles of the family Hance 1 of the original 13 Montana Freemen

EPISODE 168 in the following link.

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web...d=39904&cmd=tc

A great interview with a man who spent 2 years in Jail and 4 years in prison (yes there is a difference), when your in jail after a while you wish you were in prison.
and how right before the trail the judge accepted their offer to discharge the debt obligation so they could walk free but they did not realise it at the time and were returned to jail.

Seems there was some interesting mind connections made during this interview and hopefully will lead to some great new empowerment of the people.

wernt they just criminals, why not get the brinksmat lot on to discus how to carry out an armed robbery

[moobs]

Originally Posted by duine

and how right before the trail the judge accepted their offer to discharge the debt obligation so they could walk free but they did not realise it at the time and were returned to jail.

That's enough to tell me how "true" this story is going to be. I'll pass.

[jaynette]

Originally Posted by duine

Montana Freemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"In 1995 members wrote a fraudulent check to try to purchase 1.4 million dollars' worth of firearms, ammunition, and bulletproof vests".

"They had also conducted their own mock trials of numerous public officials, and issued their own writ of execution against a federal judge."

cause no harm or loss and be honest in your dealings,eh?

[happy sheeple]

Originally Posted by duine

Steven Charles of the family Hance. 1 of the original 13 Montana Freemen. One man's perspective.

Seems there was some interesting mind connections made during this interview and hopefully will lead to some great new empowerment of the people.

And for those who dont want to listen to the whole thing.... In a nutshell the guys who went to court were found not guilty and released, The ones who "decided" not to participate in the court action served 6 years.

Another big win for FOTL.

I know it might seem to be a non-win to us but i have been researching the word win and i have found out that our standing under the word win is all wrong.
The true meaning of the word win is

win - Its Germanic base gave it its first meaning, "to labor, strive, work."

Thanks to the Free english dictionary for this insight into the true meaning of the word win. I never really got why when faced with a seemingly monumental loss FOTL would say "at least he tried" and now i do as it seems trying is actually winning.

[duine]

calling these people criminals while the people at the top of the food chain are robbing you blind of your soul is a bit bizarre.

the Brits classified Gandhi as a criminal same as Roibeárd Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh aka Bobby Sands who both made sacrifices for freedom the like of which we cannot comprehend.

Roibeárd Gearóid Ó Seachnasaigh ~

"I'll wear no convicts uniform nor meekly serve my time that Britain might brand Irelands fight 800 years of crime"

[msbpunk]

A Gandhi comparison, seriously ?

[moobs]

Originally Posted by duine

calling these people criminals while the people at the top of the food chain are robbing you blind of your soul is a bit bizarre.

Whether or not "the people at the top of the food chain" are also criminals has no bearing on these people being criminals.

[duine]

AGAIN calling these people criminals while the people at the top of the food chain are robbing you blind of your soul is a bit bizarre.

Calling it bizarre is actually a complete understatement you are what another good soul would refer to as being AS THICK AS PIG SHIT!

Matthew Delooze - "people need to realise its not a coincidence that we are walking around on this planet as thick as pig shit!"

Originally Posted by moobs

Whether or not "the people at the top of the food chain" are also criminals has no bearing on these people being criminals.

[aulus agerius]

Originally Posted by msbpunk

A Gandhi comparison, seriously ?

Because it makes complete sense to compare a terrorist gunman who committed suicide in prison with a pacifist Indian leader who was assassinated.

[firstworldproblems]

Originally Posted by moobs

Whether or not "the people at the top of the food chain" are also criminals has no bearing on these people being criminals.

Originally Posted by duine

AGAIN calling these people criminals while the people at the top of the food chain are robbing you blind of your soul is a bit bizarre.

SWOOSH. Missed the point spectacularly.

Immediately followed about some crass spiel about being thick.

The irony is staggering.

Quoted from someone else, even. Like even that was too clever to come up with on their own.

[firstworldproblems]

Everybody is either Gandhi or Hitler. The world is a Saturday morning cartoon.

[duine]

A "terrorist gunman who committed suicide" ok so lets look at this 'terrorist' as you call him. Lets keep it local and presume your english, the Irish people aggressively invades england tomorrow morning and claims it as their territory, the english rise up against the foreign aggressor and you would call these people terrorists? for taking up arms while a gun is pointed in your face?

even english soldiers who were sent to northern part of Éire as soldiers would do exactly as the Irish did and fight the foreign aggressor, hypocrisy eh!, young lads out to make a life for themselves wife and kids etc sent to murder for there bit of crown gold.

Robert Burn ~ 'We're bought and sold for English gold'-- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

when speaking of the scots plight and its as simple as that on every level.

Personally if a foreign power invaded england tomorrow i would fight side by side with the english to rid them of this invasion and simultaneously take the euro royalty crown currently in power to the gallows along with them. that old saying ones mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter surely must strike a chord in your mind?

Originally Posted by aulus agerius

Because it makes complete sense to compare a terrorist gunman who committed suicide in prison with a pacifist Indian leader who was assassinated.

[firstworldproblems]

Can you find me someone who could possibly refer to Gandhi as a terrorist?

I'll wait.

[aulus agerius]

Originally Posted by duine

A "terrorist gunman who committed suicide" ok so lets look at this 'terrorist' as you call him. Lets keep it local and presume your english, the Irish people aggressively invades england tomorrow morning and claims it as their territory, the english rise up against the foreign aggressor and you would call these people terrorists? for taking up arms while a gun is pointed in your face?

even english soldiers who were sent to northern part of Éire as soldiers would do exactly as the Irish did and fight the foreign aggressor, hypocrisy eh!, young lads out to make a life for themselves wife and kids etc sent to murder for there bit of crown gold.

Robert Burn ~ 'We're bought and sold for English gold'-- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

when speaking of the scots plight and its as simple as that on every level.

Personally if a foreign power invaded england tomorrow i would fight side by side with the english to rid them of this invasion and simultaneously take the euro royalty crown currently in power to the gallows along with them. that old saying ones mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter surely must strike a chord in your mind?

What sort of argument is this? "You'd be a terrorist too if your country were a British colony"?
That is precisely why it is inappropriate to compare an IRA terrorist to Ghandi: Ghandi was in virtually the same position but he didn't take up arms or blow stuff up, particularly not innocent people.

[duine]

I can suggest Ghandi could only wish to be as enlightened as Roibeárd's soul was, both incredible people in their own right. I'm not going to argue here where possible but can i just say this,

you are you and i am me (allegedly) , for the first time in our history as far as i'm aware of we can communicate instantaneously from any place on the planet, we are our own minds who don't need to be indoctrinationed, we can share information, connect minds that would have been impossible to do so without the internet, share our thoughts, really do things that were inconceivable even one year ago,

so lets do this, take this chance connect our power and be free. i can almost sense it, we are there at freedom's door, we just got to all together open it............

Originally Posted by aulus agerius

What sort of argument is this? "You'd be a terrorist too if your country were a British colony"?
That is precisely why it is inappropriate to compare an IRA terrorist to Ghandi: Ghandi was in virtually the same position but he didn't take up arms or blow stuff up, particularly not innocent people.

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by aulus agerius

What sort of argument is this? "You'd be a terrorist too if your country were a British colony"?
That is precisely why it is inappropriate to compare an IRA terrorist to Ghandi: Ghandi was in virtually the same position but he didn't take up arms or blow stuff up, particularly not innocent people.

Not that i agree with terrorism nor the killing of innocents but it is worth bearing in mind that the uk gov turned its military on its own citizens in Ireland. Also the pro ira gave warning of bomb attacks as recently coming to light the authorities willfully ignored them as if they responded the ira could just use the threat of bombs rather than actual ones.

These were the demands he died for

the right not to wear a prison uniform; 2. the right not to do prison work; 3. the right of free association with other prisoners, and to organise educational and recreational pursuits; 4. the right to one visit, one letter and one parcel per week; 5. full restoration of remission lost through the protest.

Add to that that he had a diplock trial, ie was denied his right to trial by jury, as was common in norther Ireland. As well as the torture methods used to extract confessions( not bobby sands but prisoners in general) puts British ideals of democracy to shame and to an extent corrupted