Adolf Hitler did not want war

[dusthead]

Originally Posted by believenothing

Double standards. Truman nuked 200k innocent civilians in Japan. Nobody seriously demonizes Truman or other leaders like Churchill. In the modern era Bush Jr. gets a lot of shit but none of it seriously. Hitler is treated like he was the evilest person in history and that's not fair. Nobody is saying he was a saint. Well some people are but I don't do that. History is unbalanced

This response is paradoxical. Are you trying to say that alleged bigots hate PC but are PC themselves? Like somebody who says they hate designer clothes yet has a few designer outfits? Somebody who hates the FED but uses the money they print? Those arguments are intended to manipulate and persuade others because to a useful idiot with average or lower intelligence, or at least somebody who doesn't think for themselves much, they work.

"They hate PC yet they become PC when they are trying to spread their lies which makes them double bigots" is the message I got out of that which is silly. It's either that or "anybody who writes revisionism about National Socialism and Germany in WWII without bigoted language and within a PC framework is just a bigot in disguise" which would also be silly

You are possibly reading too much into my post.

To apologize for the architect of vast masses of unwarranted deaths, the apologist has to become liberal in their mindset.

In the same way, traditional liberalists in the UK are blamed for an upsurge in leniant prison sentences handed out to dangerous offenders.

It's a simple comparison, nothing more.

There is much talk on these boards of left wing attitudes and militant liberalism. Becoming an apologist for the undisputed actions of Hitler (that is to say events such as the blitz) is effectively practicing liberalism.

[kith]

Originally Posted by dusthead

Becoming an apologist for the undisputed actions of Hitler...

And posting walls of texts from websites that I am suprised to see linked to the David Icke Forum.

David Icke is clearly no fan of Hitler or the Nazis and I posted a video of David saying so.

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by positive_forward

Israelies are allowed to ethnically cleanse Palestine without the UN forces interfering or any sanctions taken - not as if they haven't had enough time to asses the reality (70+ years) - Jews kick Palestinians out of their homes, knock them down, trample them with bulldozers, then build Jewish homes for persecuted Jews emigrating from countries where no Jews are in any danger.

This is apparently moral behaviour, condoned and encouraged. A righteous genocide by God's chosen (extra sarcasm from me - but sickeningly how some people justify it) 1000 Arab's lives are not worth a finger
nail of a Jew. Words to that effect from some top Israeli.
I guess mythical Nazi hunts are of more importance..

Dont know if you are deliberatly being missleading or dont know.
From 1955-2011, israel has had 102 un resolutions passed against it. It has breached many more. Problem is tho isreal is nuclear armed and its allays ( uk/ us) have power of veto. Not much the un can do. I agree tho thatisrael is a hellish regime for non jews in palastine

[shotokan]

Originally Posted by jon galt

Dont know if you are deliberatly being missleading or dont know.
From 1955-2011, israel has had 102 un resolutions passed against it. It has breached many more. Problem is tho isreal is nuclear armed and its allays ( uk/ us) have power of veto. Not much the un can do. I agree tho thatisrael is a hellish regime for non jews in palastine

Re- your avatar or whateverit is.
I am Scottish and really believed in Scottish independence BUT. Now I know we will never have independence until we kick the talmudic judaic bankers, who run our country, out and do what Iceland have done and control our own monetary system. Just like Adolf Hitler did in 1933.

[georgesmiley]

kith said

Except Adolf would have made his own "mater race" have lordship over the Scottish.

But I suppose one still gets ones Campbells.

i liked campbells soup as a kid

the master race concept as attributed to the nsdap may in fact be misinformation (ie wrong), until recently i didnt question that hitler et al regarded the germans as the master race.

we did have a few posts on another thread

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showt...post1060933073

about this idea and the term (in german) that is taken as the "master race" is herrenvolk which can never be construed to mean master race


only tinyint and i corresponded on this


but Kith or anyone else

if you have sources which can show that there was the use of the term of the master race by the nsdap, please do.

my own experience has been when the accepted truth starts to become "spin" or even lies - we need to examine everyting we think is true.

[night_gaunt]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006...rldwar.germany

"...it [Nazi philosophy] by no means believes in an equality of races, but along with their difference it recognizes their higher or lesser value and feels itself obligated to promote the victory of the better and stronger, and demand the subordination of the inferior and weaker in accordance with the eternal will that dominates this universe." (Mein Kampf)

"Hence it is no accident that the first cultures arose in places where the Aryan, in his encounters with lower peoples, subjugated them and bent them to his will. They then became the first technical instrument in the service of a developing culture."

[georgesmiley]

night gaunt

if that was for my post

thanks

will look further into this

[georgesmiley]

night gaunt

you quoted from mein kampf

i could not find those words in that order in the version i have (as a pdf file)

perhaps you could post a link to the translation of mein kampf you are quoting

thanks

[night_gaunt]

Originally Posted by georgesmiley

night gaunt

you quoted from mein kampf

i could not find those words in that order in the version i have (as a pdf file)

perhaps you could post a link to the translation of mein kampf you are quoting

thanks

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar...ine/kampf2.htm

[positive_forward]

Story from some years ago

An Israeli professor and military historian hinted that Israel could avenge the holocaust by annihilating millions of Germans and other Europeans.

Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Crevel said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons.

“We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force.”

Creveld, a professor of military history at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, pointed out that “collective deportation” was Israel’s only meaningful strategy towards the Palestinian people.

“The Palestinians should all be deported. The people who strive for this (the Israeli government) are waiting only for the right man and the right time. Two years ago, only 7 or 8 per cent of Israelis were of the opinion that this would be the best solution, two months ago it was 33 per cent, and now, according to a Gallup poll, the figure is 44 percent.”

Creveld said he was sure that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon wanted to deport the Palestinians.

“I think it’s quite possible that he wants to do that. He wants to escalate the conflict. He knows that nothing else we do will succeed.”

Asked if he was worried about Israel becoming a rogue state if it carried out a genocidal deportation against Palestinians, Creveld quoted former Israeli Defense Minister Moshe Dayan who said “Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.”

Creveld argued that Israel wouldn’t care much about becoming a rogue state.

“Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that this will happen before Israel goes under.”

http://www.daily.pk/israeli-professo...Pakistan+Daily)

[positive_forward]

By JONAH MANDEL • Jerusalem Post

Gentiles Exist Only To Serve Jews, Rabbi Ovadia Yosef Says


“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel. That is why gentiles were created.”

Yosef: Gentiles exist only to serve Jews
According to Rabbi, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.


The sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews, according to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, the head of Shas’s Council of Torah Sages and a senior Sephardi

adjudicator.

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,” he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.

According to Yosef, the lives of non-Jews in Israel are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.

“In Israel, death has no dominion over them... With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money.

This is his servant... That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew,” Yosef said.

“Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat.

That is why gentiles were created,” he added.

Yosef’s Saturday night sermons have seen many controversial statements from the 90-year-old rabbi. In August, Yosef caused a diplomatic uproar when he wished a plague upon the Palestinian people and their leaders, a curse he retracted a few weeks later, when he blessed them along with all of Israel’s other peace-seeking neighbors.



http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/Jew...aspx?id=191782

[positive_forward]

National-Socialist Germany:

The government and officials of National-Socialist Germany strove hard to uphold and live by the ethics of National-Socialism, as did every genuine National-Socialist, even after the defeat of NS Germany in what has become known as the First Zionist War.

Thus, in NS Germany, groups such as Muslims and Buddhists were accorded full respect, and allowed to practise their religion freely. In the pre-war years, NS Germany helped organize a pan-Islamic world congress in Berlin. Berlin itself was home to thriving Muslim and Buddhist communities, of many races, and the Berlin Mosque held regular prayers even during the war years, attended by Arabs, Indians, Turks, Afghans and people of many other races. Indeed, the Berlin Mosque was one of the few buildings to survive the lethal, indiscriminate, bombing and bombardment, and although damaged, it was clearly recognizable as a Mosque amid the surrounding rubble.



NS Germany was home to exiles from many races, including respected individuals such as Subhas Chandra Bose, leader of the Indian National Army, and Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Both received significant financial support from the German government and both enthusiastically collaborated with Hitler.



There was also, of course, the alliance with Japan, and while the Allies - and particularly the Americans - were revvelling in and spreading derogatory anti-Japanese propaganda (many American GI's thought "the Japs" were not human) the Germans were extolling their virtues and regarded them as "comrades-in-arms". While the Germans honoured Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto with one of their highest decorations for gallantry, a Knights Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords, American GI's ruthlessly exterminated Japanese soldiers, it being common practice for them to "take no prisoners" and execute any Japanese soldier who surrendered. Incidentally, two other Japanese warriors were also honoured by Germany by being awarded the Knights Cross with Oak Leaves.


Isoroku Yamamoto

There was also, of course, the links between NS Germany, the SS, and various Muslim and Arab organizations, even before the First Zionist War. For instance, the Egyptian Greenshirt organization revered both Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, while Hassan Al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood (which lives on to this day in organizations like Hamas), made several complimentary remarks about Hitler. There was also a pro-National-Socialist coup attempt in Iraq, led by Rashid Ali.

Thus, while the British in Egypt and Palestine were treating the Arabs as conquered subjects, the Germans were treating them as equals, as comrades, and respecting their culture, and even to this day in places like Egypt many Arabs fondly recall their meetings with these "nazis". In fact, Egypt was to become something of a haven for National-Socialists after the War, with hundreds of former SS and German officers helping the post-War anti-British government of Gamal Abdal Nasser, who was associated with the Muslim Brotherhood and a relative of the Egyptian publisher who published an Arabic version of Mein Kampf.

These SS and German officers included Major General Otto Ernst Remer, Joachim Däumling, former Gestapo chief in Düsseldorf, and SS Officer Bernhard Bender, who allegedly also converted to Islam.

Most revealing of all, perhaps, are the friendly links between NS Germany, the SS, and various Jewish organizations. SS Officer Adolf Eichmann was known to have travelled to Palestine in the years before the war where he met Jewish settlers, Jewish leaders, and German agents. His relations with these Jews were always very cordial and friendly.

Of particular interest is the attempt, in 1941 (52yf) by the Jewish group Irgun Zevai Leumi (known to the British in Palestine as the Stern gang) to collaborate with Hitler and Germany:


"On condition that the German government recognizes the national aspirations of the 'Movement for the Freedom of Israel' (Lehi), the National Military Organization (NMO) proposes to participate in the war on the side of Germany..." [Document number E234151-8 at Yad Vachem in Jerusalem.].

The German NS government, however, refused to recognize such Jewish "national aspirations" since it conflicted with the policy of their ally Mohammed Amin al-Husseini who was opposed to the establishment of a Jewish State in Palestine. Thus, the attempted Jewish collaboration failed.
http://gblt.webs.com/David_Myatt.htm
Conclusion: To quote Waffen-SS General Leon Degrelle:

" German racialism meant re-discovering the creative values of their own race, re-discovering their culture. It was a search for excellence, a noble ideal. National Socialist racialism was not against the other races, it was for its own race. It aimed at defending and improving its race, and wished that all other races did the same for themselves. That was demonstrated when the Waffen SS enlarged its ranks to include 60,000 Islamic SS. The Waffen SS respected their way of life, their customs, and their religious beliefs. Each Islamic SS battalion had an imam, each company had a mullah. It was our common wish that their qualities found their highest expression. This was our racialism. I was present when each of my Islamic comrades received a personal gift from Hitler during the new year. It was a pendant with a small Koran. Hitler was honoring them with this small symbolic gift. He was honoring them with what was the most important aspect of their lives and their history. National Socialist racialism was loyal to the German race and totally respected all other races." Leon Degrelle - Epic: The Story of the Waffen SS (Lecture given in 1982). Reprinted in The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 3, no. 4, pp. 441-468.



I myself have saught to understand the purpose of our lives, as human beings, and so studied, first-hand in a practical way, most of the major religions of the world - Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Christianity, Islam - as well as philosophy from Aristotle to Heidegger, literature from Homer to Mishima, and science from its earliest beginnings. I have spent long hours, day after day, often week after week and sometimes month after month, talking with Muslim scholars, Buddhist and Taoist Masters, Christian priests and theologians, Hindu ascetics, and a multitude of ordinary people of different faiths, cultures, and races. My very life, my very experiences among the different cultures, the different faiths, of the world, reveals the truth of National-Socialism: its desire for harmony, honour, and order. My own life, my experiences, my National-Socialist writings, expose the propaganda lies of those opposed to National-Socialism: those social engineers who have saught, and who do seek, through the usury of a world-wide consumer-capitalism, to exploit this planet and its peoples and so destroy diversity and difference and everything that is noble and evolutionary.

A true, a genuine, National-Socialist does not go around "hating" people of other races just as National-Socialists are not disrespectful of the customs, the religion, the way of life, of people of other races.

As I have said and written many times, we National-Socialists respect other cultures, and people of other races, because we uphold honour. Honour means being civilized; it means having manners: being polite; restrained in public and so on. Honour means treating people with courtesy and respect, regardless of their race and culture. We National-Socialists express the view that a person should be proud of their own culture and heritage, respectful of their ancestors and their ancestral way of life, and accept that other peoples have a right to be proud of their own culture and heritage as well. The ideal is a working toward mutual understanding and respect. What we must remember is that whenever we hear or see the words racism and racist we are hearing and seeing Zionist social engineering at work. Our duty, as Aryans, is to uphold and strive to live by our own Aryan values of personal honour and loyalty to our folk.

[shotokan]

Hitler did not want war, This is an excellent documentary

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[jon galt]

Originally Posted by shotokan

Re- your avatar or whateverit is.
I am Scottish and really believed in Scottish independence BUT. Now I know we will never have independence until we kick the talmudic judaic bankers, who run our country, out and do what Iceland have done and control our own monetary system. Just like Adolf Hitler did in 1933.

nationalize our banks or at least central bank. problem solved. one of the goals of ssp/ swp

[tootrue]

Originally Posted by bjornyvan

Soviet could have taken all of Europe and not just half.
But I guess you've never looked at it that way.

The West was/is just as 'Soviet', as the former Soviet union itself...

[tinyint]

Originally Posted by tootrue

The West was/is just as 'Soviet', as the former Soviet union itself...

Yes, the EUSSR is a new Soviet model, done via the Germany occupation and "reunification" scam.
Stasi Merkel's criminal clique shake hands with their western criminal brothers over Germany.

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by tootrue

The West was/is just as 'Soviet', as the former Soviet union itself...

except we don't have a dictator. nor a vanguard party.

[tinyint]

Originally Posted by georgesmiley

if you have sources which can show that there was the use of the term of the master race by the nsdap, please do.

"Masterrace" is an anglo-saxon (intentional) mistraslation as they did with so many other things.

The original German word is Herrenvolk

Herr, pl. Herren= Lord, Sir, Mister, Master(used in sense of nobility)

Volk= People, nation, folk, public

By choosing "race" for translation it once again reveals the racist talmudic devilish mindset and projection of the originators of this mistranslation.

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by georgesmiley

kith said




the master race concept as attributed to the nsdap may in fact be misinformation (ie wrong), until recently i didnt question that hitler et al regarded the germans as the master race.



but Kith or anyone else

if you have sources which can show that there was the use of the term of the master race by the nsdap, please do.

my own experience has been when the accepted truth starts to become "spin" or even lies - we need to examine everyting we think is true.

its in mein kamp

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html

hitler on the master race

Hence it is no accident that the first cultures arose in places where the Aryan, in his encounters with lower peoples, subjugated them and bent them to his will. They then became the first technical instrument in the service of a developing culture.
Thus, the road which the Aryan had to take was clearly marked out As a conqueror he subjected the lower beings and regulated their practical activity under his command, according to his will and for his aims. But in directing them to a useful, though arduous activity, he not only spared the life of those he subjected; perhaps he gave them a fate that was better than their previous so-called 'freedom.' As long as he ruthlessly upheld the master attitude, not only did he really remain master, but also the preserver and increaser of culture. For culture was based exclusively on his abilities and hence on his actual survival. As soon as the subjected people began to raise themselves up and probably approached the conqueror in language, the sharp dividing wall between master and servant fell. The Aryan gave up the purity of his blood and, therefore, lost his sojourn in the paradise which he had made for himself

It is idle to argue which race or races were the original representative of human culture and hence the real founders of all that we sum up under the word 'humanity.' It is simpler to raise this question with regard to the present, and here an easy, clear answer results. All the human culture, all the results of art, science, and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan. This very fact admits of the not unfounded inference that he alone was the founder of all higher humanity, therefore representing the prototype of all that we understand by the word 'man.' He is the Prometheus of mankind from whose bright forehead the divine spark of genius has sprung at all times, forever kindling anew that fire of knowledge which illumined the night of silent mysteries and thus caused man to climb the path to mastery over the other beings of this earth. Exclude him-and perhaps after a few thousand years darkness will again descend on the earth, human culture will pass, and the world turn to a desert.

Thus, for the formation of higher cultures the existence of lower human types was one of the most essential preconditions, since they alone were able to compensate for the lack of technical aids without which a higher development is not conceivable. It is certain that the first culture of humanity was based less on the tamed animal than on the use of lower human beings.
Only after the enslavement of subjected races did the same fate strike beasts, and not the other way around, as some people would like to think. For first the conquered warrior drew the plow-and only after him the horse. Only pacifistic fools can regard this as a sign of human depravity, failing to realize that this development had to take place in order to reach the point where today these sky-pilots could force their drivel on the world.

[tinyint]

Originally Posted by jon galt

its in mein kamp

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html

hitler on the master race

Only in the fraudulent english translation.

Read the original please.

Your buddy flyermay even started a thread once on the fraudulent translation versions, but backed off and let it die after he noticed he can't sell me funny BS as German language.