What will be of miscegenated people?

[daugustus]

Although people who are searching for enlightenment execrate the word racism, we know that the white race has brought up around 95% of our current development level.

Other races, even nowadays, are far behind white countries´overall development.

In Brazil, miscegenated states (22 of 26) are literally financially supported by whiter states like São Paulo and the Southern region with billions of dollars.

In times of enlightenment, do you think that miscegenated people will be able to reach the same development as the white race through education (real education), consciousness expansion, better overall environment and/or others? Or would genes play a determinant role?

I am concerned with this issue because this is the trend not only in Brazil, but which is starting to take place in Europe and US too.

[learner]

Originally Posted by daugustus

Although people who are searching for enlightenment execrate the word racism, we know that the white race has brought up around 95% of our current development level.

Other races, even nowadays, are far behind white countries´overall development.

In Brazil, miscegenated states (22 of 26) are literally financially supported by whiter states like São Paulo and the Southern region with billions of dollars.

In times of enlightenment, do you think that miscegenated people will be able to reach the same development as the white race through education (real education), consciousness expansion, better overall environment and/or others? Or would genes play a determinant role?

I am concerned with this issue because this is the trend not only in Brazil, but which is starting to take place in Europe and US too.

Good day Daugutus,

I can perhaps see your little dilemma which is generally a view by confusion.
Developed nations are called developed by this concept mainly by technology and systematic ideals. I propose to you that 'enlightenment' is in fact opposite to being technologically advanced. Yes we can discover things through advanced science but it is not the same as being spiritually enlightened. It is quite strange really that even the countries we call 3rd world have pockets of ancient knowledge that is but part of the keys to understanding the universe.

I believe that the true knowledge of our surroundings requires everyone on the planet,regardless of their location or status.

[believenothing]

Everybody on the planet is Miscegenated. Europeans and Asians have 1%-4% Neanderthal DNA. Some indigenous South Pacific islanders have a 4%-8% Neanderthal/Denisova genetic admixture. Homo habilis and homo erectus also contributed to the modern human genetic pool.

Our ancestors had migrated to remote parts of the globe and via evolutionary adaption, mutation, survival of the fittest, etc. they became different subspecies who territories eventually crossed. These populations mixed and then the hybrid offspring, if capable of making viable offspring, would introduce these genes to the non-mixed. Since humans are still animals, there was probably sterile hybrids. Some not apparent until a few generations later. There was probably also complications (which likely has something to do with the origin of the word Cesarean section). Only the compatible ones survived and whatever was left of these archaic great apes died off via extermination campaigns which even non-human great apes commit today when expanding territory. Probably catastrophes killed them off too.

The point I'm trying to make is modern man is a hybrid species. Races are a window into are hybrid past, but we are all more genetically same than different. We are all different though but that's not a bad thing. Because of recessive traits, two brothers can be totally different from a behavior standpoint even with similar upbringing.

From a modern standpoint, what people refer to as 'white people' is usually Western Europeans. Western Europe went through a depopulation even as a result of a comet impact around the 5th century. Nordic peoples and the Huns contributed their genes to the Celtic peoples. Arabs contributed their genes to North Africans and North Africans contributed these genes to the Spanish. The most mixed people are those of the Levant as well as Turkey and Greece. Turks, Greeks, and Armenians are ironically more related than not despite their mutual hatred towards one and other.

[valkyrieangel]

Originally Posted by daugustus

Although people who are searching for enlightenment execrate the word racism, we know that the white race has brought up around 95% of our current development level.

Other races, even nowadays, are far behind white countries´overall development.

In Brazil, miscegenated states (22 of 26) are literally financially supported by whiter states like São Paulo and the Southern region with billions of dollars.

In times of enlightenment, do you think that miscegenated people will be able to reach the same development as the white race through education (real education), consciousness expansion, better overall environment and/or others? Or would genes play a determinant role?

I am concerned with this issue because this is the trend not only in Brazil, but which is starting to take place in Europe and US too.

Good question!

I think they can, in their own time - the models exist. The real struggle is against corruption rather than biology.

[daugustus]

Wow, I thoughT the thread was already dead!

Well, according to learner the there is really nothing to fear, which I agree in purely spiritual terms. The only concern I still have is why exactly we keep incarnating (and therefore needing technological advances) in order to evolve. We hear this from most religions and esoteric people, but I don´t quite understand how a physical experience can contribute to a better spiritual living.

Believenothing´s information is something I´ll read more about. If Europeans have reached such a high level of technological development even with some sensitive amount of genes of less evolved races, the issue of miscegenation might come to the percentage of the "best" genes you have rather than just the presence of some "undesired" genes. The problem I still consider is, the more admixture (even below 10%) with berbers/moors/arabs/turks a European country has, the less evolved it seems to be (Portugal, Spain, Greece, etc)

Valkyrieangel´s consideration is something I´ll have to wait to see how much of Brazilian´s inertia is due to manipulation, poverty, culture or genetic influence.

[infinityandlove]

Originally Posted by daugustus

Although people who are searching for enlightenment execrate the word racism, we know that the white race has brought up around 95% of our current development level.

Other races, even nowadays, are far behind white countries´overall development.

In Brazil, miscegenated states (22 of 26) are literally financially supported by whiter states like São Paulo and the Southern region with billions of dollars.

In times of enlightenment, do you think that miscegenated people will be able to reach the same development as the white race through education (real education), consciousness expansion, better overall environment and/or others? Or would genes play a determinant role?

I am concerned with this issue because this is the trend not only in Brazil, but which is starting to take place in Europe and US too.

Good question.
No one is exempt from consciousness expansion. However i still feel, the East, like India and Chinese (buddhism) are champions at awareness. The West is too concerned with technology and medicine and all that.

[fishonwheels]

Hi hi. Wont be caught up on this thread today as i'm still having internet connectivity issues but want address a few points. First how did the op get at the 95% figure and second, sry infinityandlove the east that i know and the onw many western expats might relate to you is as materialistic as any place comes. South east asia just has less materially that about the only difference and frankly i dont think theres any incentive for developed countries all over to help the have not countries because they very obviously benefit from globalized inequalities.

Oh and this isnt directly related but no one's said here that immigration in first world might pertain to population aging, mounting national debt (so they say), and the need for more tax payers? Just a possibility i'm entertaining.

There are two ways for legal immigration into canada for eg. Unless you're seeking asylum you can either open a business or invest a certain amount in an existing one,or, you can appy for the "skilled" category if you have in demand training with what are in demand varying through years.

Well anyways

[vancity eagle]

Originally Posted by daugustus

Wow, I thoughT the thread was already dead!

Well, according to learner the there is really nothing to fear, which I agree in purely spiritual terms. The only concern I still have is why exactly we keep incarnating (and therefore needing technological advances) in order to evolve. We hear this from most religions and esoteric people, but I don´t quite understand how a physical experience can contribute to a better spiritual living.

Believenothing´s information is something I´ll read more about. If Europeans have reached such a high level of technological development even with some sensitive amount of genes of less evolved races, the issue of miscegenation might come to the percentage of the "best" genes you have rather than just the presence of some "undesired" genes. The problem I still consider is, the more admixture (even below 10%) with berbers/moors/arabs/turks a European country has, the less evolved it seems to be (Portugal, Spain, Greece, etc)

Valkyrieangel´s consideration is something I´ll have to wait to see how much of Brazilian´s inertia is due to manipulation, poverty, culture or genetic influence.

your theory has a fatal flaw. What you deem to be "white europeans" or "europeans with minimal mixture" have not always been the most advanced civilizations throughout history. The renaissance of europe came from the areas, where the moors pretty much controlled or had significant influence. In the middle ages, the moors were more advanced than "europeans" so your ideology is flawed.
Also in more ancient times we had the Greeks learning from the Egyptians, so things weren't always as they are today.

[groen]

I like to refer to the case of the celebrity adoption. If angelina jolie's adopted baby from africa goes to the best schools in the west will they have the same potential as the students in his class. If you did an experiment and took a child of a very smart and successful parents and the child of a liberian civil war single mom and brought them up in a controlled environment with excellent teaching and parent child bonding relationship. Would they have equal success rates.

I would say that human individuality is beyond genetics to some extent. There are always exceptions. I have seen very successful people come out of the worst childhood environments and end up successful in work and family and I have seen the most fortunate people not take advantage of their opportunities.

But like physical capabilities, running, jumping etc, thinking (or more specifically logic) i believe is an instinct or capability that has been passed on by genetics.

[daugustus]

You´ve touched a good point. It´s hard to know how much genetics affect our lives and how much the lifestyle we lead affects our genetic pool passed on to the next generations.

That´s why I have been a little on epigenetics lately too.

[johngr]

Originally Posted by groen

I like to refer to the case of the celebrity adoption. If angelina jolie's adopted baby from africa goes to the best schools in the west will they have the same potential as the students in his class. If you did an experiment and took a child of a very smart and successful parents and the child of a liberian civil war single mom and brought them up in a controlled environment with excellent teaching and parent child bonding relationship. Would they have equal success rates.

I would say that human individuality is beyond genetics to some extent. There are always exceptions. I have seen very successful people come out of the worst childhood environments and end up successful in work and family and I have seen the most fortunate people not take advantage of their opportunities.

But like physical capabilities, running, jumping etc, thinking (or more specifically logic) i believe is an instinct or capability that has been passed on by genetics.

The Minnesota Trans-racial adoption study tried to do just that. Being brought up in White families did not affect the one-STD difference "G" is mostly genetic, though some environment can affect it positively or negatively.

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by daugustus

Although people who are searching for enlightenment execrate the word racism, we know that the white race has brought up around 95% of our current development level.

Other races, even nowadays, are far behind white countries´overall development.

In Brazil, miscegenated states (22 of 26) are literally financially supported by whiter states like São Paulo and the Southern region with billions of dollars.

In times of enlightenment, do you think that miscegenated people will be able to reach the same development as the white race through education (real education), consciousness expansion, better overall environment and/or others? Or would genes play a determinant role?

I am concerned with this issue because this is the trend not only in Brazil, but which is starting to take place in Europe and US too.

You need to learn some history in order to understand why non-white people are viewed as doing so poorly compared to white people, historically. Does colonialism, genocide and slavery mean anything to you? After all, it wasn't white people as some sort of unified group who were "better" than everyone else, but a small group of rulers who went around stomping on everyone else, including the fellow "white" people of their own countries/kingdoms.

[protocol]

I'm generally not a believer in any one thing owing to the breathtaking advancement of 'white' nations over the last 500 or so years, be it the favourability of the post ice age european natural environment, dominion over readily available domesticable animals and so on. However, bought to my attention was a short presentation by Niall Ferguson about the revolutionary development of property rights by those like John Locke.

Niall Ferguson: The 6 killer apps of prosperity - YouTube

Niall Ferguson: The 6 killer apps of prosperity - YouTube

Of course, this unique process in human history is currently being systematically dismantled by the NWO and future one world corporate-communist oligarchy...we shall descend as quickly as we developed.

[vancity eagle]

Originally Posted by protocol

I'm generally not a believer in any one thing owing to the breathtaking advancement of 'white' nations over the last 500 or so years, be it the favourability of the post ice age european natural environment, dominion over readily available domesticable animals and so on. However, bought to my attention was a short presentation by Niall Ferguson about the revolutionary development of property rights by those like John Locke.

Niall Ferguson: The 6 killer apps of prosperity - YouTube

Of course, this unique process in human history is currently being systematically dismantled by the NWO and future one world corporate-communist oligarchy...we shall descend as quickly as we developed.

human development is a result of one, and one thing only. Interaction with the higher forces ie fallen angels. We are often told of how smart certain scientists were, but the fact of the matter is that they all engaged in kabbalistic worship. The Occult is what brings technology, not a bunch of "smart" people.

Throughout history, whichever civilization was most in tune with the occult forces was the most advanced. It began in Babylon and Egypt, the Greeks learned the occult ways from them and then advanced civilization, same with the Romans. It seems during the "dark ages", the Moors and Arabs along with the Jews of Spain led the way with the occult practises. The Zohar was studied in Spain and the Moors led civilization for nearly 1000 years. Europe again brought the Kabbalistic studies to the forefront, and most of the enlightenment and renaisance thinkers were either Rosicrucians, masons, etc. all practising the black arts. Technology comes from communication with Angels, period. Not because certain races are smarter than others.

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by vancity eagle

human development is a result of one, and one thing only. Interaction with the higher forces ie fallen angels. We are often told of how smart certain scientists were, but the fact of the matter is that they all engaged in kabbalistic worship. The Occult is what brings technology, not a bunch of "smart" people.

Throughout history, whichever civilization was most in tune with the occult forces was the most advanced. It began in Babylon and Egypt, the Greeks learned the occult ways from them and then advanced civilization, same with the Romans. It seems during the "dark ages", the Moors and Arabs along with the Jews of Spain led the way with the occult practises. The Zohar was studied in Spain and the Moors led civilization for nearly 1000 years. Europe again brought the Kabbalistic studies to the forefront, and most of the enlightenment and renaisance thinkers were either Rosicrucians, masons, etc. all practising the black arts. Technology comes from communication with Angels, period. Not because certain races are smarter than others.

Then that's an argument in favor of the "Watchers".

[night_gaunt]

Originally Posted by daugustus

Although people who are searching for enlightenment execrate the word racism, we know that the white race has brought up around 95% of our current development level.

We know?? you think
Are you that ill-informed that you don't know american tribes knew how to perform surgery hundreds of years before europeans? That they understood the complex patterns of planets and stars while white men still thought the earth was the center of the universe?!
There is no dominant race. There is abuse and manipulation.
Every damn culture in this world that wasn't "sparkling white" was fine until the white man destroyed their cultures. Forced religions on them. Raped their women and enslaved their men.
Africa had prosperous kingdoms. Then came the slave trade and colonization. Why do you see children in poverty there now? Because of the white man.
The "white race" has done wonders for itself, sure. Einstein was white, Darwin was white.
But Tecumseh was INDIAN, William Claytor was BLACK, Asians make up the majorities at well-to colleges like Harvard and Yale.
Most ill-informed post of the year award, second place.

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by night_gaunt

Most ill-informed post of the year award, second place.

Who came in first?

[night_gaunt]

Originally Posted by saint_frankenstein

Who came in first?

Some guy who thought women had nothing to do with the construction of society and should be replaced by robots.
How easily people will absorb mainstream information without learning the background information, like how the success of Watson and Crick was due to Rosalind Franklin, who of course is left out for the most part.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by night_gaunt

We know?? you think
Are you that ill-informed that you don't know american tribes knew how to perform surgery hundreds of years before europeans? That they understood the complex patterns of planets and stars while white men still thought the earth was the center of the universe?!
There is no dominant race. There is abuse and manipulation.
Every damn culture in this world that wasn't "sparkling white" was fine until the white man destroyed their cultures. Forced religions on them. Raped their women and enslaved their men.
Africa had prosperous kingdoms. Then came the slave trade and colonization. Why do you see children in poverty there now? Because of the white man.
The "white race" has done wonders for itself, sure. Einstein was white, Darwin was white.
But Tecumseh was INDIAN, William Claytor was BLACK, Asians make up the majorities at well-to colleges like Harvard and Yale.
Most ill-informed post of the year award, second place.

agreed.
white-supremest twaddle.

[ritchs]

I don't even know it is even arguable that intelligence is not hereditary.
This is absolute fact. Look to the selective breeding of animals that have resulted in outstanding examples of courage and intelligence as in dog breeds. People refrain from stating this since it is politically incorrect. But sadly all men are not created equal. Both Nature and Nurture play a part, but it has to be there to start with from Nature

But it is not intelligence alone that makes a people great, It is Character.
You can be as smart as Einstein and be a dirtbag of a person.

"A nation's greatness is measured by how it treats its weakest members." ~ Mahatma Ghandi