No chemtrails

[jackdaw]

Originally Posted by kaiser

You still havent adressed the evidence I and others have presented you with...

Heres some more...
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78086

Afghanistan logistics, USAF. No evidence of the aircraft doing anything other than delivering supplies. Unless you'd like to point to it?

[belch]

Originally Posted by jackdaw

Nothing?? No fights anywhere?? Have you actually checked with the CAA?

I dunno. I suppose the passenger jets that flew near my house yesterday must have been UFOs.

Sod CAA, I have seen 2 airline jets today and a couple of Cessna type planes. I live near a small airport, Near the Gatwick flight path.
I can see a big bit of sky.
I would normaly see lots of airliners and smaller planes durring the day.
There has been very little aircraft activity for the past 3 days and nights.

What do you not understand ?

[jackdaw]

Originally Posted by belch

Sod CAA, I have seen 2 airline jets today and a couple of Cessna type planes. I live near a small airport, Near the Gatwick flight path.
I can see a big bit of sky.
I would normaly see lots of airliners and smaller planes durring the day.
There has been very little aircraft activity for the past 3 days and nights.

What do you not understand ?

I'll tell you what I don't understand. It is you and others stating categorically that there are...

No flights
Empty skies
Nothing

...when it just isn't true.

Yup, I have to confess that I don't understand why people say there are no planes when there are.

[sucahyo]

It is undeniable that trails is a serious environmental problem.


Although, just like jackdaw mention, the majority of people do not realize that. People never hear the real fact of contrails. Not even the pilot, the crew, the passenger, or maybe even the government.

They all directed to dubious website that state contrails is safe because it consist only water vapour. They all live happily ever after in their dream world. They don't realize that some of their problem in live is caused by contrails too. Some scientist relate contrails with drought or at least reduced preticipation or something.

That is sick, but just like jackdaw mention, that is the reality. The majority simply clueless.

[fuzzylogic]

Originally Posted by sucahyo

or something.

The majority simply clueless.

Classic

[hoverfly]

I'll try again.

Personal photo's from your family albums, showing Chemtrails from


the sixties ?


seventies ?


eighties ?


or nineties ?

I take thats a no then.

[belch]

The news today gave me a clue as to why there has been less aircraft activity over my head.

Restricted airspace.

I think that most air traffic is now being funneled down a much more narrow piece of airspace.
Keepin aircraft to very tight flightpaths would make interceptions and missile defence much easier.

I think the traffic is being diverted away from sensitive areas.

Today, very little aircaft traffic, thats 4 days so far.

[jackdaw]

Originally Posted by hoverfly

I'll try again.

Personal photo's from your family albums, showing Chemtrails from


the sixties ?


seventies ?


eighties ?


or nineties ?

I take thats a no then.

No

So you are requesting us to submit personal photos taken in the 60s/70s/80s showing chemtrails. That's funny. I think Aunt Dora and Ted wanted their faces in the camera rather than having the camera pointing up to the sky.

Have you seen any photographs of WW2 fighters and bombers leaving contrails? No. Go on...look see.

[sucahyo]

Majority of people, including both chemtrails believer and chemtrails debunker, do not realize that aerosol play a big part in contrails life and creation.

While their debate usually revolve around what the actual atmospheric condition is, real scientist mention that:

ftp://ftp.rta.nato.int/PubFullText/R...AVT-150-15.pdf
During the accumulation of soot particles in the troposphere owing to an increase in fuel consumption by aviation, the region covered with contrails is also increased.


http://www.umweltdaten.de/publikationen/fpdf-l/2605.pdf
As a result of aviation, emissions are expelled into the global atmosphere that contribute to climate change and the destruction of the ozone layer. Emissions and expelled particulates alter the concentration of greenhouse gases - carbon dioxide (CO2), ozone (O3) and methane (CH4). They also trigger off the formation of contrails and can encourage the occurrence of cirrus clouds. All of this contributes to climate change (IPCC 1999).

[jackdaw]

Originally Posted by sucahyo

Majority of people, including both chemtrails believer and chemtrails debunker, do not realize that aerosol play a big part in contrails life and creation.

While their debate usually revolve around what the actual atmospheric condition is, real scientist mention that:

ftp://ftp.rta.nato.int/PubFullText/R...AVT-150-15.pdf
During the accumulation of soot particles in the troposphere owing to an increase in fuel consumption by aviation, the region covered with contrails is also increased.


http://www.umweltdaten.de/publikationen/fpdf-l/2605.pdf
As a result of aviation, emissions are expelled into the global atmosphere that contribute to climate change and the destruction of the ozone layer. Emissions and expelled particulates alter the concentration of greenhouse gases - carbon dioxide (CO2), ozone (O3) and methane (CH4). They also trigger off the formation of contrails and can encourage the occurrence of cirrus clouds. All of this contributes to climate change (IPCC 1999).

This is correct. But really, chemtrail adherents aren't generally interested in science. It's easier to point upward and repeat a fallacy. Meteorology, chemistry, physics and atmospherics are waved away as a nuisance to the conspiracy that aircraft the world over are spraying everything and everyone with chemicals.

Even Icke in his lectures has it wrong by stating that contrails disappear quickly but the "chemtrails" hang around. Contrails can and do last many hours, sorry David. But keep up the otherwise good work. Unfortunately, people are repeating this erroneous notion. Oh, the irony.

[hoverfly]

Originally Posted by jackdaw

No

So you are requesting us to submit personal photos taken in the 60s/70s/80s showing chemtrails. That's funny. I think Aunt Dora and Ted wanted their faces in the camera rather than having the camera pointing up to the sky.

Have you seen any photographs of WW2 fighters and bombers leaving contrails? No. Go on...look see.

Ha ha, your so funny

Thanks for confirming that you can't rise to the simple challenge.


.

[fuzzylogic]

Originally Posted by hoverfly

I'll try again.

Personal photo's from your family albums, showing Chemtrails from


the sixties ?


seventies ?


eighties ?


or nineties ?

I take thats a no then.

More and more people are uploading their old photos.

How about this one? 1984 (click the titles to go to the page)

Borrego Springs, California | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Borrego Springs, California | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

1989

@ Sedona, Arizona | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

@ Sedona, Arizona | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

@ Sunset Crater National Monument, Arizona | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

@ Sunset Crater National Monument, Arizona | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

[sucahyo]

Something is fishy:

http://ftp.rta.nato.int/public//PubF...AVT-150-15.pdf
Nevertheless, it is believed that in order to minimize the impact of aircraft flights on the atmosphere and especially on climate the limitation standard should be introduced for the soot particle emissions from prospective aircraft engines.

http://www.epa.gov/oms/regs/nonroad/.../contrails.pdf
Currently, THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS addressing contrails and their atmospheric effects.


Strange blunder:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ay-sun-balloon
Experiment in New Mexico will try to establish the possibility of cooling the planet by dispersing sulphate aerosols

http://www3.mpch-mainz.mpg.de/~schne...hapter%208.pdf
Contrails consist of ice particles that nucleate primarily on aerosols emitted or formed in the plume.

http://www.umweltdaten.de/publikationen/fpdf-l/2605.pdf
It turned out that, for all periods of observation, the radiative forcing of contrails is greater that that of CO2.

http://biophysics.sbg.ac.at/exotica/thesis-piero2.pdf
This has brought scientists like P.Crutzen to the idea to use artificially generated aerosols to induce global dimming as a countermeasure to global warming. This includes a very controversial proposal, like the combustion of S2 or H2S carried into the stratosphere via balloons or even by artillery guns to produce SO2, where chemical and microphysical processes convert SO2 into sulfate nano-particles. However, the above mentioned side effects like altered precipitation,  failure of monsoons, associated droughts, tropopausic ozone depletion, interference with tropo- and stratospheric cloud formation, acid rain and their corresponding adverse effects on terrestrial vegetation as well as tropical marine reef-systems are more than likely.

[tenzingnorgay]

Originally Posted by jackdaw

This is correct. But really, chemtrail adherents aren't generally interested in science. It's easier to point upward and repeat a fallacy. Meteorology, chemistry, physics and atmospherics are waved away as a nuisance to the conspiracy that aircraft the world over are spraying everything and everyone with chemicals.

Even Icke in his lectures has it wrong by stating that contrails disappear quickly but the "chemtrails" hang around. Contrails can and do last many hours, sorry David. But keep up the otherwise good work. Unfortunately, people are repeating this erroneous notion. Oh, the irony.

Nothing like creating straw men and knocking them down. But when you are wrong, that's about all you and other blind as bat deniers can do.

I haven't seen the statement that aircraft are spraying "everything and everyone". Perhaps some wacko has said that in the same incorrect vein that deniers have stated that no chemtrails exist at all. The accurate statement is that chemtrails are being sprayed in many places around the world. In other places there appears to be no spraying at all.

Stating that "Meteorology, chemistry, physics and atmospherics are waved away" is something I can say about those who refuse to believe in the chemtrails they see with their own eyes. It's just a vague incoherent appeal to an authority that is not even identified, on par with most of the crap that comes from chemtrails deniers.

Contrails CAN last many hours, but RARELY do, especially not in the manner in which chemtrails persist. It's thus a fair statement to point out that contrails disappear quickly because they usually do. Chemtrails usually last many hours.

[sucahyo]

Originally Posted by tenzingnorgay

I haven't seen the statement that aircraft are spraying "everything and everyone".

That remind me the histeria of "Extreme Weather Everywhere because of climate change".

I wonder who the histeric one lol.

Interestingly most chemtrails believer would not believe in climate change. I believe that you get extreme weather because of chemtrails .

[belch]

These guys will be asking for new assignments soon.

Its just about out now, swathes of people asking questions about the sky these days.
Its only a matter of time now before TPTB admit what they are doing.

[jackdaw]

La la la la la . . .


Before the millenium the skies were all lovely and crystal clear . . . no chemtrails, no contrails at all . . . all nice and blue . . . mmmm . . .


La la la la la . . .

[belch]

Originally Posted by jackdaw

La la la la la . . .


Before the millenium the skies were all lovely and crystal clear . . . no chemtrails, no contrails at all . . . all nice and blue . . . mmmm . . .


La la la la la . . .

Haha, thats the best post you have ever made.

It shows that you now realise that your distraction and confusion tactics are becoming futile.
There are too many people now questioning what is going on with the sky.
There are too many people making your job too hard.
You & your department are failing, You will ultimately fail.

A new assignment may give you a new lease of life, But tbh i think you are done here.

I think you lose.

Those that are looking up and questioning are winning this little battle.

Power To The People!

[stupid]

Originally Posted by belch

These guys will be asking for new assignments soon.

Its just about out now, swathes of people asking questions about the sky these days.
Its only a matter of time now before TPTB admit what they are doing.

When ?
They've been saying the same thing for all manner of conspiracies (911 ?????)
...and it's never happened.
Let's bookmark this post.......time-stamp it. Get back to us when the truth comes out. How many years ?

[jackdaw]

Originally Posted by belch

Haha, thats the best post you have ever made.

Thanks. I thought it would be beyond you