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These rumors probably existed because the Soviet NKVD had actually been gassing political dissidents in hermetically sealed gas chambers throughout the 30s:   Many farmers, called Kulaks, were executed by the Soviets. The Soviets used propaganda to rally up the people against the Kulaks and they said they would make soap out of them. This is probably how the soap rumor started. The "survivors" were shocked when they told them that they were being secretly gassed. I recall one quote that said something like "if I knew they were gassing Jews I would have never boarded the train" No documentation exists confirming an extermination program. The narrative claims that they used coded words without any way of knowing whether it was true or not. The confessions were produced from torture and at least one was written in English even though they spoke German. Other confessions used as if they were facts come from "Nazis" who were not aware gassing was taking place and prove nothing. Sonderkommando testimony is not reliable. First of all, a German Sonderkommando is a member of a military police unit. One of the things that believers like to say is "how can all those people be lying?" not realizing the entire narrative is founded upon a tiny handful of eyewitness accounts. There were only a dozen or so "surviving" "Sonderkommandos" and none of their accounts are consistent with each other. If they were telling the truth, they are accomplices to murder, not unlike the Jewish Kapos. Both of them are usually not mentioned much in the conditioning curriculum that public schools have. Perhaps they're afraid people might question them? What about all those other survivors? Are they lying? About the trains, camps, yellow stars, etc? No they aren't. That really happened and it wasn't just because they were Jews, it happened for a number of reasons. One of them being potential communist collaborators. It is common during war and the US did it to Japanese Americans. Without the extermination program, the holocaust would be minimalized to a foot note. Quote:
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Actually, especially execution by gas is an american method of choice. Europe never used gas, but gallows, guillotine etc... Specifically the usage of the gas itself, Zyklon B, is another fantasy, since it does not kill humans fast enough. It takes about 20-30 minute until a human is being painfully suffocated by Zyklon B. Now, given the Germans had Sarin, Soman and Tabun in store, battlefield ready but never used, why would they attempt to kill with Zyklon B? According to myth but also math, they were under heavy time pressure to kill all 6 million. Hydrogen Cyanides are very expensive to produce, and they require a lot of energy input, energy and resources you can't really waste in a war. Hence, the storage of the related Sarin, Tabun and Soman gas, which kill in a matter of seconds, if not milliseconds. But, even if they supposedly used indeed battle field nerve agents, it still leaves the problem of the missing ventilation for example. Also, the occupiers have never found sufficient protection for the Germans, such as gas masks or protective suits in any camp. Then we have "eye witnesses" who claim the Germans entered the "gas chamber" only 10 minute later. This of course doesn't stand any scientific facts, especially if the rooms lacked a ventilation and drains. It takes at least 1,5 h to be able to enter the room without any protection. See Lüftl report on this. Zyklon B needs to be heated to bring it from solid to gaseous aggregation state. So again, it is a negative balance in terms of energy.  The sign at Dachau states what it states, because of the thought crime laws. They can't say the Dachau was "reconstructed" by the Americans in the same way the Soviets "reconstructed" Auschwitz. Some 30 years ago, a little plate in the floor of Dachau even stated it was build by USA, they eventually removed it due to the obvious questions it raised. Here is btw a heater for the delousing chambers, which show the blue strains in the walls and which had indeed proper ventilation:  The problem, it has never been seriously claimed that the delousing chambers were used as homicidal "gas chambers" because they are simply too small and the number wouldn't add up (again). German Rudolf extensively wrote about all the chemical stuff initailly, which brought him attention of the inquisition, despite the fact that he was hired by the FRG 'government' and Springer, namely R. Süssmuth and R.Augstein, F. Meyer repectively. To close, the Soviets never told us they dropped the pellets through a wire mesh column, because they were at least aware that this is technically not doable. They simply told the other ridiculous story, that of "gas showers". 
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Even hough Dachau and Sachsenhausen are not apart of the official narrative, there are thought police suppressing the knowledge of the fake gas chamber. There is even arguing over it in the English Wikipedia talk sections: Majdanek's and Auschwitz's re-use by Soviets made them inaccessible while the narrative was being created. The Auschwitz gas chamber is an admitted fake, and I like how David Cole explained Majdanek: Quote:
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One third of the holocaust check it out it's a must watch - 4 hours + or watch it in parts 1 to 30. Some serious debunking.
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Reminds of some discussion on DIF. The truth is simply not wanted and sometimes violently opposed.
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And here's a good debunking of that "Hitler being a Rothschild" fairytale. "The Fake Legends of Adolf Hitlers 'Jewish Grandfather'" This should come as great news to our Jewish brothers and sisters since we haven't found any concrete evidence about the Holocaust happening. Isn't it a relief to know that 6 million of your people were not tortured and killed? 
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off topic but one of the docs posted about adl mentions eli james (ex kkk) member and now anglo-saxon israel advocate
i dont agree with the anglo saxon israel thing nor the kkk thing - he is no longer a member also confess to not having looked extensively at his site he is personable on interview even when put under pressure and one of his latest interviews is here (not available as i post this) and is concerned with the ADL's censorship of the Internet http://www.spingola.com/SpingolaSpecials.html go to july 27 |
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In forums like this I think we see some bright people who bought the holocaust myth hook line and sinker and are now can't admit it's all lies without doubting their own intellect. Sometimes I just want to tell them: "It's OK. You have been lied to since the day you were born. Lots of bright people have believed this myth. Now it's OK to let it go." |
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If their 'fat as fuel' lie was even true, the fat would not be fuel because it would burn up the fastest. Morbidly obese people (who wouldn't even fit in these) have been known to explode when cremated: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/05/so...a-crematorium/ There is still all that muscle and bone material to contend with. All that water, the water making this fat as fuel thing ridiculous. And again, I cannot stress this enough, you cannot put more bodies in any fashion and expect shorter and more efficient burning times. Quote:
If you put two pizzas in an oven, no matter how greasy they are, they take longer to cook than one. The more wood you put on a firepit, even after you douse it with gasoline, the longer it takes to burn. Often if the wood sucks, the gas burns up quickly. Their argument is that it is an apples to oranges comparison, therefore it cannot be compared. This is complete bullshit. They are using a deceptive technique to dismiss a valid comparison as non-comparable. The only difference, according to them, is that a 'civilian' crematorium is meant to burn people and give their ashes to the family members. It's also meant to burn coffins usually, which they sort of left out. Newer and more efficient technology cannot compare with 80-year-old+ inferior (smaller, no coffins) tech? That they were constantly shoving bodies in there to make it run efficiently even though it doesn't work that way? If the disposal story is a lie, then where did the bodies go? They went to NYC and Palestine, that's where. Very much alive Last edited by believenothing; 28-07-2012 at 06:34 AM. |
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Attention Holocaust deniers. Please ignore the following. It is not for you eyes.This is for those who have an interest and who may be tempted to believe the lies of the deniers.
Not all the bodies were burnt in ovens. The Nazis also burnt them in pits. I believe that deniers say the ground around Auschwitz is too damp to have fire pits. But it is possible to drain land - the Nazis will have had a good reason to do so to get rid of their victims' bodies - and Auschwitz wasn't the only slaughter camp. Just a few years ago, 10 million cattle and sheep were slaughtered and their bodies were burnt in the 2001 foot-and-mouth epidemic. This happened over a period of about 11 months. Millions of bodies were burnt and now there is no visible evidence that anything like that happened. The fields where they were burnt show no bones, ashes or scorch marks. It is all peaceful again. Birds sing, flowers flower and any fairies in the dells will have returned. Getting rid of human bodies - much smaller than cattle and not much bigger than sheep - is a piece of cake in comparison. The Nazis had years, not months, to do it. They could cover their tracks very easily as they were in total control and could kill anyone to silence them and they could destroy any evidence. The recent cattle and sheep burnings were in the UK. There is no totalitarian control here. But all the visible evidence has gone. You could go for a walk anywhere in the countryside and, unless someone told you, you wouldn't know where any of the burnings took place. In the 1967 outbreak of foot-and-mouth, about 440,000 cattle and sheep were slaughtered and their bodies were buried on the farms. It would be even easier to bury 1 million human bodies, especially in an area much bigger than the UK. Estimates of between 8 and 10 million cattle and sheep were killed in the late 2000 - 2001 outbreak in the UK and most of their bodies were burnt. There was one figure of 4 million given - by the government. See how even recent events can have muddled figures? This doesn't mean it never happened. And that is today with computerised records. Quote:
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In 1944, during the final year of the war in Europe, the Germans installed and operated state-of-the-art high frequency facilities at Auschwitz to kill disease-bearing lice and other pests. These expensive installations, installed in response to the high death rate wrought by disease, worked on the same principle as the familiar microwave appliances widely used today in households around the world. These Auschwitz facilities, designed to help save lives, proved very effective.
French researcher Jean-Claude Pressac briefly mentioned this remarkable disinfestation facility in his 1994 book about the crematories of Auschwitz.note 2 Also, French revisionist scholar Robert Faurisson, in an essay published in 1995, cited the testimony of former Auschwitz inmate Marc Klein, first published in 1946, about "short wave delousing" at Auschwitz.note 3 But the first qualified and detailed look at this subject appeared in two lengthy articles published in 1998 issues of the German-language revisionist quarterly, Vierteljahreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung, edited by Germar Rudolf. These articles were based primarily on documents buried in the voluminous collection of wartime German records that were seized by Soviet forces in 1945. For more than half a century these important historical records lay forgotten in Moscow's central archives. (The present article is based in large part on information in these two Vierteljahreshefte articles.)note 4 Typhus Danger Before dealing directly with the high frequency delousing facilities, it is important to understand the general problem of disease, especially typhus, during the war, and the measures taken by the German authorities -- particularly at Auschwitz -- to combat the deadly scourges. Typhus or "spotted fever" (German: Fleckfieber) is transmitted from one diseased person to another by lice infected with a micro-organism (Rickettsia prowazeki). Epidemic typhus flourishes among people in crowded living quarters, including ships, prisons, camps and ghettos, where poor sanitary conditions and bad hygiene prevail. During the First World War (1914-1918), and even more in the years immediately following, some 25-30 million people in Poland, Ukraine, Russia and the Baltic suffered from typhus, or about 20-23 percent of the total population, of whom several million perished. "At the close of World War I," the Encyclopaedia Britannica has noted, "the disease was prevalent in Poland, Russia and Rumania, where estimates of cases and deaths between 1919 and 1923 ran into millions. In World War II from these areas it spread again into western Europe and caused devastating epidemics among refugees and displaced persons, particularly in the German concentration camps."note 5 So terrible was the scourge in Poland that the United States dispatched a US Army team to the country, where it carried out extensive efforts to combat typhus among the civilian population, 1919-1921.note 6 When war broke out in Europe in 1939, German medical and military leaders were mindful of the terrible impact of typhus during the earlier conflict, and acted accordingly. At the outset of the Second World War, the most advanced method used to kill typhus-carrying lice was "Zyklon B." This was the trade name of a pest control agent manufactured from the 1920s to the 1950s by the Degesch company of Frankfurt am Main. "Zyklon" is hydrocyanic or "Prussic" acid (HCN) absorbed in a porous material such as gypsum or diatomaceous earth, which is kept in tightly sealed cans until it is deployed by trained personnel. HCN's boiling point is 26 degrees C (79 F). This commercially available pesticide was widely used before, during and after the Second World War by private companies, governmental agencies and military forces throughout Europe. It was frequently used by the German armed forces, including the SS, to delouse clothing and other effects, and to kill insects and rodents in buildings. It is commonly believed that SS men used Zyklon to kill millions of Jews in gas chambers at Auschwitz and other German camps. But in fact SS men used Zyklon to help prevent camp inmates' deaths. They deployed it in very large quantities at Auschwitz and other wartime concentration camps by fumigating barracks, by delousing clothing in special gas chambers, and so forth, to destroy disease-bearing vermin.note 7 Combatting Typhus at Auschwitz In each German concentration camp, including Auschwitz, a "garrison physician" (Standortarzt) was responsible, together with the other medical personnel, for implementing, coordinating and supervising hygiene and sanitary measures. At Auschwitz during this period, the "garrison physician," or chief medical officer, was SS Hauptsturmführer (captain) Dr. Eduard Wirths. By all accounts, including the surviving wartime documents, he was a dedicated, kindly, and good-natured man who capably and conscientiously carried out his demanding duties in the large camp.note 8 When typhus broke out in the Auschwitz camp for the first time in the summer of 1942, the German authorities there responded resolutely. In an effort to halt the disease, Commandant Rudolf Höss ordered a full-scale quarantine (vollständige Lagersperre) of the camp in July 1942. SS men and their families were not allowed to leave the camp area. As the epidemic continued to spread, Höss ordered further measures, including delousing actions with Zyklon, a prohibition against SS men and their families eating uncooked fruits and vegetables, disinfections of living quarters, obligatory vaccinations, and further restrictions on movement. Special "louse inspection" units were organized, and those who failed to observe the anti-lice measures were punished.note 9 On July 22, 1942, an official in the central Berlin office responsible for concentration camp administration (WVHA) radioed Auschwitz: "I hereby give permission for a five ton truck to go from Auschwitz to Dessau and back, in order to pick up gas [Zyklon] for gassing of the camp, to fight the epidemic that has broken out." This was just one of several such deliveries.note 10 But these measures proved inadequate. Even as the camp's hospital blocks were overcrowded with typhus victims, the disease continued to claim many lives. In early December 1942, SS camp physician Dr. Wirths spoke at a meeting that had been called to address the typhus crisis. Reflecting the seriousness of the occasion, the attendees included local and regional government officials, military officers, and important civilian figures.note 11 Wirths reported optimistically that three large disinfestation, shower and sauna facilities can be put into operation right now, specifically two facilities for the inmates and one for SS troop members. The capacity of these facilities is some 3,000 to 4,000 persons per 24 hours. The central WVHA office in Berlin-Oranienburg, which was responsible for the SS concentration camp system, sent a secret directive on December 28, 1942, to every concentration camp, including Auschwitz and Majdanek (Lublin). After sharply criticizing the high death rate, it ordered that camp physicians must use all means at their disposal to significantly reduce the death rate in the various camps.... The camp doctors must supervise more often than in the past the nutrition of the prisoners and, in cooperation with the administration, submit improvement recommendations to the camp commandants.... The camp doctors are to see to it that the working conditions at the various labor places are improved as much as possible. The directive concluded: "The Reichsführer SS [Himmler] has ordered that the death rate absolutely must be reduced."note 12 Richard Glücks, head of the SS agency that supervised the concentration camps, informed the various camp commandants in January 1943: "As I have already pointed out, every means must be used to lower the death rate in the camp."note 13 In a letter of February 25, 1943, to the central WVHA office in Berlin-Oranienburg, which was responsible for the SS concentration camp system, Dr. Wirths summed up the situation:note 14 As already reported, after the typhus epidemic in the Auschwitz camp had practically been suppressed in November and December, there followed a new rise in typhus cases among the Auschwitz inmates as well as among troops, brought by the newly arriving transports from the East. In spite of the counter-measures that were immediately taken, a complete suppression of typhus cases has still not been achieved. Accordingly, the SS camp physician reported that there would be a three-week quarantine of the Auschwitz camp complex, including the main camp and Birkenau. During this period, he continued, two thorough delousing and disinfection operations would be carried out to completely eradicate lice, and thus eliminate the danger of new outbreaks of typhus. In an April 1943 communication to the camp commandant, Dr. Wirths expressed grave concern about the sewer system in Birkenau, and concluded with a warning that unless appropriate measures are taken, the "great danger of epidemics would be inevitable."note 15 On May 7, 1943, the Auschwitz chief physician had a discussion with Dr. Heinz Kammler, head of the engineering and construction bureau of the central camp administration office (WVHA), and others, about inmate facilities at Auschwitz. Dr. Wirths warned that note 16 ... maintaining the prisoners' health for the major tasks does not seem certain, due to the poor toilet conditions, an inadequate sewer system, a lack of hospital barracks and separate latrines for the sick, and the lack of washing, bathing and disinfestation facilities. In his report on the meeting, Dr. Wirths noted that his superiors agreed with his assessment: The Brigadeführer [SS general Kammler] acknowledges the foremost urgency of these matters, and promises to do everything possible to ensure rectification of the shortcomings. He is somewhat surprised, however, that on the one hand, he receives reports from the responsible medical personnel that give a very favorable account of the sanitary and hygienic conditions, and on the other he immediately afterwards receives exactly opposite reports. The director of the ZBL [Auschwitz central construction office] is instructed to present proposals by May 15, 1943, for rectifying all problems under discussion. This commitment by a high-level SS officer is all the more remarkable considering the growing shortages facing the German leadership due to the worsening military situation, which made it ever more difficult to procure supplies, manpower and money to insure minimal hygiene and sanitary standards. In keeping with this, camp chief physician Dr. Wirths, in a May 28, 1943, letter to the Auschwitz central construction office (ZBL), asked for six circulating air delousing facilities, to be installed as quickly as possible. (These were in fact ordered the next day.) This request, Dr. Wirths explained, was being made "especially for the delousing and the disinfestation of the sick prisoners and their clothing ..."note 17 Because typhus continued to plague the camp complex, even more rigorous measures were imposed in January 1944. Simultaneously, all inmates were subjected to baths and disinfection, all clothes and bedding were sent to disinfection chambers, and all barracks were treated with Zyklon. This unprecedented campaign worked, and thereafter only sporadic cases of typhus were reported.note 18 A Polish inmate-physician, Dr. Alfred Fiderkiewicz, confirmed after the war that the camp administration and the dedicated SS physicians imposed strenuous and sometimes even radical measures to combat typhus in Birkenau, including large-scale Zyklon delousing of barracks and all clothing, improved diets for sick-bay inmates, and action by a special team to combat lice. As a result, the typhus plague was finally brought under control in January 1944, although tuberculosis was never completely eradicated and continued to claim many lives.note 19 High Frequency Delousing Facilities In 1936, German technicians had noticed that high frequency radio waves produced by a large transmitter tube used to broadcast the Olympic Games from Berlin that year incidentally killed all nearby insects. Spurred by this, the Siemens-Schuckertwerke (Siemens-Schuckert works), together with the Reich Biology Institute in Dahlem, conducted tests on pest eradication using the high-frequency field of an electron tube. After the problem of pest extermination once again became pointedly relevant following the outbreak of war in 1939, the Siemens-Schuckert company worked on developing a practical high frequency or "shortwave" (Kurzwellen) disinfestation facility. Collaborating with the firm on this project was a related company, the Siemens-Reiniger works in Erlangen, which produced medical instruments. When this new technology was demonstrated to civilian and military authorities, the SS saw its applicability for large camps and quickly ordered several of the new facilities. (In contrast, the regular German army ordered one such installation, which apparently was never completed or made operational.) The new high frequency facility was produced in both a mobile and a stationary model. The mobile version was designed to fit on a truck trailer. Operating it required access to a 380-volt electrical outlet or to a portable electrical generator. At the end of June 1943, Dr. Willing of the construction-engineering bureau of the central WVHA agency reported with satisfaction on the efficiency of the new facility:note 20 ... After a pass through the ultra-shortwave field, which takes eleven to twelve seconds, all vermin as well as bacteria, germs, brood and nits are killed, and, given non-stop operation, 13,000 to 15,000 pieces of clothing can be sterilized per day. Auschwitz Installation and Operation Although the first high frequency disinfestation facility was supposed to arrive at Auschwitz on May 15, 1943, actual delivery was delayed. In mid-June 1943 the Reich Ministry for Munitions and Armaments assigned top priority to the new high frequency facilities. At a meeting on July 1, 1943, Dr. Wirths assured colleagues that the stationary high frequency delousing facility would be ready to begin operation at Auschwitz in about eight weeks, and that a mobile facility was to arrive at the camp within the next three weeks. Installation of the mobile high frequency disinfestation unit -- each step of which is thoroughly documented -- was carried out between July 16, 1943 (commission) and October 21, 1943 (last requisition of materials). The "Osten III" model stationary high frequency disinfestation facility -- a modification of the "Osten II" mobile model -- was set up in 1944 at the Auschwitz I main camp, in a building (BW 160) that originally was to house 19 Zyklon delousing chambers. It finally went into operation on June 30, 1944, and on July 29, 1944, the director of the SS Hygiene Institute tested its bacteria-killing ability. Greater Efficiency Before being treated in the new high frequency facility, the louse-infested clothing was first dampened slightly with a water spray-gun. Then the clothing was bagged into bundles of 12x40 centimeters each and placed on conveyor belts that carried them through the high-frequency generator's capacitor field. Operating on the same principle as the modern microwave oven, the facility quickly killed all lice and other pests, as well as any typhus-bearing bacteria. The facility could treat 400 kilograms of clothing per hour. Auschwitz's new high-frequency delousing facilities immediately proved to be far superior to all other delousing methods of the period, including the widely used method of hydrocyanic gassing with Zyklon B. Treatment of infected clothing with Zyklon required 70 to 75 minutes, and Topf delousing ovens required 60 to 80 minutes per treatment. Disinfestation in gassing autoclaves required a similarly lengthy amount of time. By contrast, the high frequency delousing facility required just seconds to treat infected clothing. Furthermore, the new technique was much more thorough. It killed not only lice and their eggs (nits), but even the typhus micro-organisms. The new high frequency facility also took much less space, and was markedly less expensive. The cost of installing the "standard" disinfestation facilities in Auschwitz was 153,000 Reich marks, whereas the cost of installing the high frequency facilities there was 75,000 Reich marks or, according to another source, 98,000 Reich marks. On August 10, 1944, the Auschwitz camp physician reported to the central WVHA office in Berlin-Oranienburg "on the effectiveness of the stationary shortwave delousing facility."note 21 After taking time to train the required personnel, wrote Dr. Wirths, full operation of the facility began on July 5, 1944. The new facility functioned promptly and reliably, and was in nearly daily use. However, it was not operating at peak efficiency, in part because of power outages. On daily average, he continued, the new facility processed 1,441 sets of underwear and matching garments, and 449 wool or quilt blankets. In other words, he went on, every 32 working days the facility processed the clothing of 46,122 persons, including their underwear and bedding. Under ideal conditions (with no power outages, for example), Wirths stressed, the facility's performance would be three times greater. Tests carried out in Auschwitz by the SS Hygiene Institute, Wirths continued, showed that treatment in the facility of three minutes per sack of clothing -- that is, about 45 seconds for each individual item -- completely destroyed all traces of staphylococcus, typhus and diphtheria. In November 1944 the Auschwitz central construction office (ZBL) reported that "at the present time there is a stationary high microwave delousing facility in concentration camp I [Auschwitz] and a mobile one in concentration camp II [Birkenau]." The efficiency of these "high tech" Auschwitz facilities, designed to help save prisoners' lives, contrasts sharply with the absurdly primitive technology of the camp's alleged homicidal gas chambers, supposedly meant to kill prisoners. As Holocaust historian Jean-Claude Pressac has written, the (supposed) homicidal gassing procedure at Auschwitz-Birkenau crematory facilities IV and V, for example, was cumbersome, "irrational and ridiculous."note 22 Auschwitz was not the only German concentration camp to receive one of the new "high tech" delousing facilities. In the fall of 1944, a stationary high frequency facility similar to the one at Auschwitz was installed at the Mauthausen camp (near Linz). At that same time, a mobile high frequency delousing facility arrived at Gusen, a satellite camp of Mauthausen, in response to an outbreak of typhus there. Efforts were also made to install a similar stationary facility in the Dachau concentration camp (near Munich), but apparently it was never put into operation. Development of high frequency facilities continued even as Soviet and American troops were advancing into Germany. A certificate issued by the Reich Ministry for Armaments and War Production on February 22, 1945 -- just eleven weeks before the end -- noted that although the Siemens-Schuckert works had been evacuated from Breslau (because of the Soviet advance), a new testing and production facility was to be set up in central Germany. The document also stressed that development and production of high frequency devices by Siemens-Schuckert had the highest national priority, and deserved all possible assistance from Party, military and civil authorities.note 23 Summary Records documenting the Auschwitz high frequency delousing facilities are only a small portion of the mass of German wartime files -- 83,000 documents, according to one estimate -- that have been uncovered from Russian archives after decades of neglect. It is highly significant that among this enormous collection of secret German records, not a single one provides any evidence of mass killing, or even refers to a German wartime policy or program of "extermination." To the contrary, many of these documents -- such as those cited in this article -- further demonstrate the seriousness of the efforts by high-level government and SS authorities to maintain the health of inmates by combatting disease in the camps. Deployment of "microwave" delousing facilities was just one of many conscientious measures taken by the SS authorities to save inmates' lives. Confirming this is a report on the high frequency installations, written in September 1945 (four months after the end of the conflict), apparently by a Siemens technician named Bay. The report points out:note 24 We regretted that these facilities could not be used for their original application purpose, namely for delousing military equipment for the front, because they seemed more urgently needed by the camp personnel who requested them, because cases of typhus were constantly being observed among the camp inmates. The discovery of long-hidden records on Germany's wartime high frequency delousing facilities suggests that other significant documents of the period may still await discovery, and that further important historical revelations about Auschwitz and the "Holocaust" issue are quite likely. The revealing documents cited in this article, and many others like them, are routinely suppressed by those who uphold what Jewish educator Rabbi Michael Goldberg (in his 1996 book, Why Should Jews Survive?) aptly calls "the Holocaust cult." It is noteworthy that such documents have been found and brought to light not by "mainstream" historians, but rather by skeptical dissident (revisionist) scholars -- an implicit indictment of the dereliction, if not corruption, of the historical "establishment." http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/v18n3p-4_Weber.html |
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This has been accepted as history for years. It was only when revisionists began to question the absurdity of these 'facts' that the burning body thing began to circulate as an unofficial alternative. They lied about Crematorium II. What else are they lying about? Why are 'holocaust historians' telling more lies to counter for the exposure of the lie? They're digging themselves into a hole. Or a pit rather. There was never any burning body piles or pits at Auschwitz. That information has never been part of the official narrative. It's parroted by "holocaust historians" based on heresy. It's not even conjecture. Aerial photos of Auschwitz exist and there are no burning piles of Jews. Elie Weasel's burning piles of babies was part of a fictional book. The book was published as fiction even though it gets reported as fact. He made it up like he makes everything up. Watch One Third of the Holocaust (the above linked video). Try to explain that how in the span of a year, little tiny Treblinka gassed the equivalent to the entire population of San Francisco. Without a shred of proof that such a mass killing operation existed. For comparison, in the 80s there were bleached bones of war dead all over fields in the USSR. It's absurd, this did not happen. There was no extermination program of Jews. It is not a true story no matter how they try to spin it, no matter how they try to insult our intelligence. Getting rid of human bodies - much smaller than cattle and not much bigger than sheep - is a piece of cake in comparison. The Nazis had years, not months, to do it. They could cover their tracks very easily as they were in total control and could kill anyone to silence them and they could destroy any evidence. The recent cattle and sheep burnings were in the UK. There is no totalitarian control here. But all the visible evidence has gone. You could go for a walk anywhere in the countryside and, unless someone told you, you wouldn't know where any of the burnings took place. Quote:
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"Don't believe the deniers"?? We're not deniers, we're revisionists. Who are you talking to anyway? About the only thing you people have left is the fact that people are conditioned to be sensitive when they approach the holocaust. The holocaust industry preys on this sensitivity and bombardes them with yellow stars and bodies and skinny people. Schindler's List. Anne Frank. Fences. Ovens. Piles of hair and glasses. Piles of gas canisters. The truly sad thing is the entire holocaust industry is selling lies even according to the official version of events. And people get sensitive when you debunk these outrageous lies and propaganda even though the already absurd official story doesn't say any of these things. It makes it easier to debunk. As I mentioned earlier, it only takes 10 or so minutes to convince a person in real life that the gassings never happened. Year of holocaust conditioning.... gone. I'm talking people who believe the 9/11 official story even. What does that mean? It means it's unbelievably ridiculous when you start to examine the facts. |
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It's sort of like cooking a steak, the fat melts and burns up in the fire. Or that drunk guy who throws gasoline on the bonfire. Not his fat, but the gasoline. It acts as a fuel but eventually it burns up. If the wood is too wet though, it doesn't burn so well. The human body is mostly water. One Rabbi's explanation for this was that the Jews were dehyrdated and 'burn well' because they are genetically different. Something an 'antisemite' would say, and here is a Rabbi saying it. Of course, they were freshly gassed from the train so they couldn't have been starved. That was toward the end of the war and also because of allied bombing. Oil or gasoline can burn on water. Then it burns up and it's gone. The 'fat as fuel' holocaust myth is designed to 'debunk' revisionists who mention how costly it would be to run those ovens 24/7. Especially during wartime. Germans are renown for ingenuity. If they were really exterminating people, they would have done it efficiently. They would not retrofit a work camp's remote morgue into an impossibly inefficient gas chamber. Since we're told they built facilities specifically for extermination (and then destroyed the evidence ), they would have done it efficiently. "Dump truck" train cars. Assembly line. Conveyer belt. Load some trucks to a centralized dock to unload the bodies in and dispose them elsewhere (since it was super secret and all, according to the narrative). Giant incinerator like the above video mentions.The fat alone isn't enough. And the more bodies they pile in, even if they have more fat it would take longer to burn. The holocaust narrative isn't conjecture. It's absurd. If they were gassing people, how did they dispose the bodies? Their official explanation can be disproven. If they did try to gas people as they say (dropping pellets in the morgue) it wouldn't work. The gas would not be evenly distributed it and it would take much longer to kill them. Plus the bodies would be carrying lethal gas, the bricks would soak up cyanide making the room unusable, and of course it wasn't hermetically sealed and also connected to (via a drain pipe) the hospital. It can be disproven, no matter how much absurd nonsense, incestuous historical analysis, or heresy/myths/propaganda/lies is passed off as "new evidence" The holocaust happened. Jews were expelled. Jews wore yellow stars. They were sent to camps. Some of them died. Just not from gassing. It was a war and a lot of people died. And the Americans did the same thing to Japanese Americans. Also, not all Jews were expelled. The Soviets were 'shocked' to see 10,000 Jews in Berlin. What really happened in WWII? What really went on at Auschwitz? There was no gas chambers and no extermination program. But there was a theater, a swimming pool, and a brothel. Without the extermination program, National Socialist Germany gets painted in a different light. There is no real reason to demonize Hitler. The USSR are the bad guys and the US allied with them. They also bombed the hell out of Germany and Japan, the latter with nukes. Japan was apparently killing a lot of people in China. But how many of them were victims of communist 'civil war'? That went on too, for years even. Without the extermination program, the "NEVER AGAIN!" identity that justifies Israel's double standards is baseless. Israel's very existence makes no sense. No sympathy, no guilt. But there is disgust. Disgust at the lies. Disgust by the Europeans who can't say anything about this because it's against the law. Disgust by the Germans for being collectively guilted because the bad guys 'won' and destroyed them. Disgust that they have to pay reparations and contribute to the UN and their puppet leadership. It's important to expose this 20th century lie because it is completely relevant to modern events. It's allowing the tyrants to have free reign. Without it, the world will literally end. Symbolically anyways. If only all those protestors were aware of how important this is |
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There are doubts mentioned somewhere in the thread about the human body's lack of inflammability. But, what about so-called spontaneous human combustion? This shows that a small flame can ignite the body and then the body's own fat reserves add fuel to the fire. This usually involves the clothing absorbing melted fat and acting as a wick but the victims of Nazis were usually burnt naked and there were no clothes to act as wicks. But they were set alight with some tiny flame. They were pile together and had wood and possibly petrol added. Those things and the human fat will have made quite a blaze. Quote:
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