Is waking up others... something you can DO?

[rokazulu]

I have really given up on "waking" people up to the system.

I never have to go very deep into any of this stuff for people to instantly reject the notion altogether, but what I try to get across to people is how the system is inherently corrupt and meaningless. We destroy the Earth, strive for temporary material pleasures and kill each other over interpretations of the undefinable Rorschach blot that is the living universe.

But in their minds this is completely natural and the way things are. If I post on an anonymous forum, people often call me "underage" as if only a toddler would think like this, or some angsty teenager going through a rebellious period. They often strike my arguments down through ad hominem and nothing else. Calling my ideas "delusional" "insane'.

What the hell can I do? I don't even TALK about conspiracies! Because first, I don't know which ones are true and which ones are not, but secondly, because there is so much in plain view that is non-conspiratorial which people can't even accept! (like the economy doesn't economize at all, and having a job at a corporation could actually be HINDERING society not helping)

Though, I realize I'm not even awake yet. I'm still living in duality and certainly without their twisted world-view, I would not have mine. It just becomes so hard to drop your ego when you are arguing with someone who you KNOW are hypnotized. It's like telling a flat-earther that the world is round. You can't TELL THEM ANYTHING that will convince them otherwise... because they'll just say "obviously it's flat just look! The land is flat, so the earth is flat! You stupid or something?"

I'm just unsure that you can convince anyone. I think I need to truly wake up myself. Form my reality in a non-dualistic way, if that means anything. Then when (forgive my angst!) retarded brain-dead zombies shit their collective fearful pants and start crying over 10 people dying at a movie theater and forgetting about the MILLIONS dying overseas, maybe I'll be able to smile..... because I'll know they are just acting out a crazy far-out role in life.

[rokazulu]

Also, in my opinion

Waking others up is not something we can DO. That implies ego taking charge and forcing it's viewpoint to others. (bout to sound trite here but...) I think it will come about spontaneously through our own universal harmony.

[hutanic]

When I Awaken my Self Ill let you know if its possible

As you noticed it is better to focus on one self, as far as others go few years ago I was faced with disappointing realization when it became clear to me that reason why people dont see what is happening in the world is not because they are unable to see it and just somebody has to come along to show them.. no, it is because they choose not to see.

With correct approach you can come with counter arguments and evidence that will show them falseness of their previously held beliefs but still even then they will simply say "What you say might be true but what is the point? I will just carry on as I do"

"None so blind as those that will not see.” Matthew Henry

[ultimate_warlord]

If everyone was asleep and no info reached any eyes and ears...well then nobody would have the chance of a snowball in hell.
If David Icke undertook this mission...SO WILL WE.

[vic mackey]

The reason "waking people up" doesn't work is because they are on a different wavelength so cant comprehend you properly.
This isn't just their ignorance in terms of knowledge, when you are "locked in" to the beasts game, hypnotized by their show, you are actually locked in to that state of being, that level of consciousness.
When you realize how absurd their show is,
how sick they are...You "wake up" in a sense and no longer follow their sick game.

You can only wake yourself up.

[ultimate_warlord]

Originally Posted by vic mackey

The reason "waking people up" doesn't work is because they are on a different wavelength so cant comprehend you properly.
This isn't just their ignorance in terms of knowledge, when you are "locked in" to the beasts game, hypnotized by their show, you are actually locked in to that state of being, that level of consciousness.
When you realize how absurd their show is,
how sick they are...You "wake up" in a sense and no longer follow their sick game.

You can only wake yourself up.

Perfectly true, but that won`t make me give up.
Over my dead fuckin body getting fucked by illuminati necrophiles.

[i_am]

We cannot awaken others and we will awaken ourselves when it is time.

We should never push info on others. It may come up in conversation, they may ask questions. Whatever, it will be when they are ready, just as we were ready when that aha!! moment came.

The old saying is very true, "when the student is ready, the teacher will come."

[nemesisandsome]

Originally Posted by i_am

The old saying is very true, "when the student is ready, the teacher will come."

Very wise words those. I haven't heard that saying in a longtime, thanks for reminding me

[opas23]

Sometimes the person who is running around attempting to wake 'those' others up, can be the most 'fast asleep' to their own self perpetuating dream.

But it's quite possible that this will just be seen as the comings and goings of life, with it's to~ing and fro~ing 'drama' of searching for itself.

It can just as easily come to a complete stop and clarity may happen, or, there'll be much more activity and entertainment on the stage of endeavouring to awaken everyone 'else'.

[h2pogo]

Planting seeds is about all most can do,

[cyclops]

Originally Posted by rokazulu

Also, in my opinion

Waking others up is not something we can DO. That implies ego taking charge and forcing it's viewpoint to others. (bout to sound trite here but...) I think it will come about spontaneously through our own universal harmony.

No, that's right, to wake up somebody completely is impossible. It's also a process which takes many years to accomplish. And work yourself though very large amounts of information of which at least 75% is irrelevant, unproven or completely bogus. This takes the most time, but you have to have absorbed also the bad things in order to recognize what is actually good. There you can help 'newbies' with pointing out what is important and what is bogus.

I don't know what you actually say on those anonymous forums? When you kick in with all kinds of far out stuff like other dimensions, aliens, etc. then it's quite logical that you get ridiculed. Mostly because there is no concrete evidence for it, or almost impossible to find.

You should always first place some very cautious posts, to look if the other posters are even somewhat aware or that they even care. Post some recent links on banking scams for instance. And when they disregard it, then leave. It has no point in pushing an opinion on to them. When they react with some kind of outrage or interest, then you can build on that. The most important part is not to bury those people under an avalanche of claims and information. This also works the wrong way, because people will tend to feel overwhelmed, even attacked. And therefore they will look with much less interest to what you have said.

The best way is of course writing small essays on a particular subject, with only information that you're 100% sure about that it is the truth. Research the topic extensively and try to find the primary source for all the claims you make, and put those in as notes in your essay. That should be a very important start of course to research all the claims that people you listen to for yourself. If a researcher neves states his sources, then most of what he says is propably not true or from hearsay. But if you can back up the information that you've heard with your own research, then you know that this person has done his research and then you can build on that. This way you will find out quickly that by far the most researchers in this scene claim quite many things that they can't back up with proof. In this way you will strengthen your research capabilities and learn some background information too, because most of the time only a small part of a source is used by researchers.

And those essays you can save them in PDF for instance, upload it to a Megaupload or so, and then place the link somewhere accompanied with a few sentences about the topic(s.) Then people have their own choice in downloading it. When they do, they will look with much more interest to it. You can also put your essays on a website of your own. Then you can post a specific link from your website on other websites. A website is of course the best, because people will have access to much more material that you have written.


And it is also not very good to spam forums with full lenght documentaries or so. Because those always provide the same information avalanche that I mentioned. And mostly it's just opinion from speakers and some video footage or so.

Good luck.

[cyclops]

Originally Posted by opas23

Sometimes the person who is running around attempting to wake 'those' others up, can be the most 'fast asleep' to their own self perpetuating dream.

Yes, that is one of the most important (well-intended) disinfo things that there are happening. People who haven't done some research themselves and blindly propagate home-made youtube video's that they found on the net, and so on. They will undoubtly think that they are doing something good, but in reality they only help to flood the internet with crap. And therefore the good articles, video footage and websites there are will be found less and less often.

Therefore it's best to write something and make it as conclusive as you can. By hearing loose facts people will not understand the relevance. But when you can show them some connections or a pattern then it might be different.


And of course, keep always in mind that most people don't want to hear things like this. We all live already busy lives, so many people want to entertain theirselves all the time and they don't want to hear bad news at all. That's the herd mentality, and also the reason that so much things can change without people noticing.

[tommy2jays]

Originally Posted by opas23

Sometimes the person who is running around attempting to wake 'those' others up, can be the most 'fast asleep' to their own self perpetuating dream.

These are very wise words.

[h2pogo]

Best way to try and wake people up is on line..
Join mainstream forums and share info, links and opinions.
Comment on blogs, articles, reviews
Just try and keep it real

Of course that way no one need know who you are.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by cyclops

Yes, that is one of the most important (well-intended) disinfo things that there are happening.

Hello cyclops,

Yes exactly!

Running on a treadmill in a self created cage filled with apparent 'others' to demonstrate their missed 'freedom', is a beautiful way of avoiding the wonder of a simplicity already happening, but maybe not yet recognized.

It's always a possibility.

[opas23]

Originally Posted by tommy2jays

These are very wise words.

Hello tommy2jays,

They are also very stupid words, to those who are attempting to separate themselves from what is already whole.

[cyclops]

Originally Posted by opas23

Hello cyclops,

Yes exactly!

Running on a treadmill in a self created cage filled with apparent 'others' to demonstrate their missed 'freedom', is a beautiful way of avoiding the wonder of a simplicity already happening, but maybe not yet recognized.

It's always a possibility.

Hi,

Yes, you're right of course. Someone first has to get some kind of stillness, peace and reason in his/her mind, which is not that easy due to the overload of information you often get from the internet.

As I mentioned before, if someone decides to inform and/or awaken other people he/she first has to be sure that he/she knows the whole story. That's the most important. It's impossible to teach other people if you still have doubts and uncertainties about some things or details yourself. So, start easy, with facts you're absolutely certain about. Banking scams, historical facts that someone can look up easily, etc. And then you can see if you can take it one step further. If the other person is unable to take that first simple step, then let it go. I've seen so many people gotten 'fired up' in their own way and propagating dozens of videoclips, websites, etc. and scaring off 'newbies' with an avalanche of information. Most of the time that just does the opposite of what you've intended to do. That's at least what I've witnessed the last years....

[anarki]

Originally Posted by rokazulu

I have really given up on "waking" people up to the system.

I never have to go very deep into any of this stuff for people to instantly reject the notion altogether, but what I try to get across to people is how the system is inherently corrupt and meaningless. We destroy the Earth, strive for temporary material pleasures and kill each other over interpretations of the undefinable Rorschach blot that is the living universe.

But in their minds this is completely natural and the way things are. If I post on an anonymous forum, people often call me "underage" as if only a toddler would think like this, or some angsty teenager going through a rebellious period. They often strike my arguments down through ad hominem and nothing else. Calling my ideas "delusional" "insane'.

What the hell can I do? I don't even TALK about conspiracies! Because first, I don't know which ones are true and which ones are not, but secondly, because there is so much in plain view that is non-conspiratorial which people can't even accept! (like the economy doesn't economize at all, and having a job at a corporation could actually be HINDERING society not helping)

Though, I realize I'm not even awake yet. I'm still living in duality and certainly without their twisted world-view, I would not have mine. It just becomes so hard to drop your ego when you are arguing with someone who you KNOW are hypnotized. It's like telling a flat-earther that the world is round. You can't TELL THEM ANYTHING that will convince them otherwise... because they'll just say "obviously it's flat just look! The land is flat, so the earth is flat! You stupid or something?"

I'm just unsure that you can convince anyone. I think I need to truly wake up myself. Form my reality in a non-dualistic way, if that means anything. Then when (forgive my angst!) retarded brain-dead zombies shit their collective fearful pants and start crying over 10 people dying at a movie theater and forgetting about the MILLIONS dying overseas, maybe I'll be able to smile..... because I'll know they are just acting out a crazy far-out role in life.

First I would like to say that I agree with you and wish you the best of luck in finding your true path and becoming enlightened.

Second I would like to say that waking others up to the light is all about context. What it may take for one person may not work for others. To become naturally gifted at this you must first study the human being and the many types of human beings. Then you must have the confidence and attitude to show others that you know what you are talking about.

Just try to help others without forcing them to make a decision, and then they will WANT you to help them if your message connects to them. It is as simple as that. Lead others by leading yourself. Teach others by practicing what you preach and so on.

I do not think it is something that is ever used wisely, as most people who do so are usually working for some form of corporation.

[ritchs]

Originally Posted by anarki

First I would like to say that I agree with you and wish you the best of luck in finding your true path and becoming enlightened.

Second I would like to say that waking others up to the light is all about context. What it may take for one person may not work for others. To become naturally gifted at this you must first study the human being and the many types of human beings. Then you must have the confidence and attitude to show others that you know what you are talking about.

Just try to help others without forcing them to make a decision, and then they will WANT you to help them if your message connects to them. It is as simple as that. Lead others by leading yourself. Teach others by practicing what you preach and so on.

I do not think it is something that is ever used wisely, as most people who do so are usually working for some form of corporation.

I think it is too much for most people. You can only mention an alternate but provocative (to get their attention) point of view. For people to realize their own govt' kills their very own people 911 7/7 is too far over the line, they go into cognitive dissonance.

You can only mention it and then let it go. The idea can either take root or blow away
Hopefully something else will occur that will remind them of what you said.
"Hey that guy could be right"

Scientists have ridiculed other scientists because their egos get in the way and they are unable to accept some new discovery, if it goes against what they were taught

[alvaro_slash]

Originally Posted by cyclops

No, that's right, to wake up somebody completely is impossible. It's also a process which takes many years to accomplish. And work yourself though very large amounts of information of which at least 75% is irrelevant, unproven or completely bogus. This takes the most time, but you have to have absorbed also the bad things in order to recognize what is actually good. There you can help 'newbies' with pointing out what is important and what is bogus.

I don't know what you actually say on those anonymous forums? When you kick in with all kinds of far out stuff like other dimensions, aliens, etc. then it's quite logical that you get ridiculed. Mostly because there is no concrete evidence for it, or almost impossible to find.

You should always first place some very cautious posts, to look if the other posters are even somewhat aware or that they even care. Post some recent links on banking scams for instance. And when they disregard it, then leave. It has no point in pushing an opinion on to them. When they react with some kind of outrage or interest, then you can build on that. The most important part is not to bury those people under an avalanche of claims and information. This also works the wrong way, because people will tend to feel overwhelmed, even attacked. And therefore they will look with much less interest to what you have said.

The best way is of course writing small essays on a particular subject, with only information that you're 100% sure about that it is the truth. Research the topic extensively and try to find the primary source for all the claims you make, and put those in as notes in your essay. That should be a very important start of course to research all the claims that people you listen to for yourself. If a researcher neves states his sources, then most of what he says is propably not true or from hearsay. But if you can back up the information that you've heard with your own research, then you know that this person has done his research and then you can build on that. This way you will find out quickly that by far the most researchers in this scene claim quite many things that they can't back up with proof. In this way you will strengthen your research capabilities and learn some background information too, because most of the time only a small part of a source is used by researchers.

And those essays you can save them in PDF for instance, upload it to a Megaupload or so, and then place the link somewhere accompanied with a few sentences about the topic(s.) Then people have their own choice in downloading it. When they do, they will look with much more interest to it. You can also put your essays on a website of your own. Then you can post a specific link from your website on other websites. A website is of course the best, because people will have access to much more material that you have written.


And it is also not very good to spam forums with full lenght documentaries or so. Because those always provide the same information avalanche that I mentioned. And mostly it's just opinion from speakers and some video footage or so.

Good luck.

Ok man, I would slow down to start. First, when you created the thread, you posted you wanted to convince people that our system is corrupted, right? That we are destroying our planet and they should look for information regarding these subjects more deeply and often right?

Well, unfortunatelly, most people do know about that, in fact, they donīt care at all, unless they are cleary affected by itīs usses directly, which is what you we are trying to convince them, it affects everybody. But, keeping the point, the things is for numerous reasons, like because they are lazy, naive( there are lots of people that believes corruption is overrated or itīs just a natural consequence), easily controlled by the media(largest of all), and tons of others.

Having said that, I would say if thatīs what you are trying to wake people about, itīs totally possible. HOWEVER, you then, made a connection regarding these subjects, with aliens, others dimensions, which, Im sorry, are not related with banking corruptions, corruption inside the government, countries with high numbers of people starving and etc... people obviously wonīt believe you simple becuase itīs not related to this topic!

I have to disagree with you, there are evidence regarding the existence of aliens, we have witnesses, cases badly explained, confessions, sightings recorded and physical materials colected. Some good research will point you to the right directions. Just know that convicing people about corruption is one things, but convincing people about aliens is totally different.

Now, you have said many interesting things, and I might add, very useful, indeed. The parts I have bolded could be of some use around this forum, I guarantee. Thumbs up! (y)