The cult of ugliness

daugustus · 13-07-2012, 07:58 PM

as a way to disconnect us from infinite consciousness.

This is something I am sure is part of the reptilian plan to disconnect us from infinite consciousness, which manifests itself through beauty, among other ways.

Just as rock and roll is used to disturb our minds´vibrations, the following examples are, in my opinion, attempts to make life look ugly, sad, and cold.

Traditional art and architecture and rejected in our society as outdated, but what I think is they are one of the best ways we have to manifest infinite consciousness in a physical way.

This is an example of aberration that grabbed my attention:

http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/...wer-games-done

Also, Marcel Duchamp´s work is perhaps the best example of how this whole bullshit started:

Why beauty matters:

Why Beauty Matters - Full Version - BBC & Roger Scruton - YouTube

thecatsmeow · 13-07-2012, 08:28 PM

I remember watching this programme when it was first broadcast and I thought it was excellent. It was thought-provoking and interesting.
I've always hated the snobbery attached to the "appreciation" of "art"

I much prefer to see something represented as close to the original as possible. I believe abstract drawings and art are soulless and an attempt to obfuscate and mislead people as to what art really is.

daugustus · 13-07-2012, 08:36 PM

I believe most people would have the guts to confess that Marcel Duchamp´s work and others are bullshit if they were not afraid of being ridiculed by adepts of the "mainstream" thought.

thecatsmeow · 13-07-2012, 08:43 PM

Hahaha! "Experts" Hilarious! Let's face it; it's all a load of pretentious BS but they would never admit it and it's grown into a massive, multi-billion $£ industry!

The people I really admire are the forgers! Absolute genius's who get criminalized for what they do.

daugustus · 13-07-2012, 09:05 PM

Would you give me a clue to those forgers you mentioned?

thecatsmeow · 13-07-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by daugustus

Would you give me a clue to those forgers you mentioned?

"Tom Keating was the most important forger of the 20th Century. He lived in Brentwood during the Old Bailey trial then moved to Dedham , where his painting is still in the village church! Tom Keating: (1917-1984) British

Thomas Patrick Keating, was a true Cockney born in Lewisham. He made a particular speciality out of producing forged water-colours by Samuel Palmer and fine oil paintings by Dutch, Flemish, English and French old masters.

The infamous yet loveable British rogue was a remarkable forger who certainly showed up all the experts in a forgery career which landed him in jail charged for conspiracy to defraud!

Born into a poor family, he failed to achieve any real fame in the art world and felt himself shunned and just like many artists before and indeed after him, He turned to faking to prove his talent.

This was likely to get his own back on society as Keating saw the art world and in particular the gallery system as 'utterly rotten.'

As he himself wrote;

"avant-garde fashion, with critics and dealers often conniving to line their own pockets at the expense both of naive collectors and impoverished artists".

Tom Keating effectively avenged himself by producing forgeries of all sorts in a prolfic and remarkable career. Oil paintings, water colours and drawings flowed out of his studio, all which were certified as genuine works by artists such as Gainsborough, Renoir, Van Dongen, Degas, Fragonard, Boucher, Modigliani and of course Samuel Palmer. One clear and important point that was missed was that Keating planted "time bombs" in all his pictures, Often writing snide or blatantly rude comments in lead white on the canvas before he started the painting, knowing full well that if the works were examined properly in the first place and x rayed, they'd show up!

Not satisfied with just that, he would always plant obvious flaws within the compositions and often used materials which out dated the original time frame of the fake he'd painted by hundreds of years.

Admitting to painting over 200 Kornelius Kreighof pastiches which are still floating around Canada somewhere today, he was prolific to say the least and of his John Constables and other fine reproductions and there is only an guestimate of what is out there!

He is reported to forged over 2,000 paintings by something like 100 artists.

One remarkable piece was the Haywain - which he painted backwards!

Ironically, after confessing in 1976, he was to star in his own major television program on Channel 4 in the UK on how to paint like the masters!"

They're selling his paintings!

thecatsmeow · 13-07-2012, 10:35 PM

Derek Hughes: (1925 -2003) British

A gentleman British master of faking English Naive and Provincial School primitives usually executed on timber panels and old canvas pot boilers which he cleaned off with thinners. His supplies of wood, canvasses and particularly old paint, were bought in regularly from local auctioneers in Cornwall.
Looe, Lostwithiel and Par were his own favourite haunts before he contracted Parkinsons and couldn't get around much but he had a regular team of friends supplying him with product on which to paint.
He principally concentrated on the production of fake animal art. Old Gloucestershire spot pigs, prize bulls and sheep, but very successfully reproduced many works purportedly by Eugene Boudin.
He lived, taught painting and worked vociferously from a studio on the Espanade in Fowey where many of the fake paintings were exhibited in his bay window for holidaymakers to see.
Derek colluded with the local baker who happily 'baked' his works in the large bread ovens to give them age in return for the odd masterpiece many of which lined the walls of his three story town house.
As he told me many times and like Tom Keating, Derek turned to his tongue in cheek faking simply to get his own back a bit on an art world that did not truly recognise his true talent but more often than not, he painted fakes just for fun!
A prime example of his dry humour, he exibited many of his works at Constables Studio which was housed in the Old Fowey Police Station and Jail!

thecatsmeow · 13-07-2012, 10:37 PM

Eric Hebborn: (1934-1996) British.

"It's written that: "Hebborn was a rogue who had no limits to his skulduggery." Eric Hebborn was a British forger who defrauded the art world in the 1960s with purportedly over a thousand Old Master drawings. Hebborn copied the style of artists such as; Corot, Castiglione, Van Dyck, Poussin, Savelli Sperandio, Francesco del Cossa, Mantegna, Ghisi, Rubens,Tiepolo, Piranesi and Jan Breughel, with huge success, duping great art auction houses, including Christie's and made a good living out of duplicating works of art for owners who didn't want the real thing hanging on the wall. Apparently even the Foreign office were clients of his.
Hebborn died under mysterious circumstances in 1996?"

thecatsmeow · 13-07-2012, 10:42 PM

This one's my favourite!

The artful codgers: Pensioners who conned British museums with £10m forgeries

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz20XcXyQzA

twilight_sparkle · 13-07-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thecatsmeow

This one's my favourite!

The artful codgers: Pensioners who conned British museums with £10m forgeries

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz20XcXyQzA

Brilliant, what a talented guy!! Shame he was arrested.

thecatsmeow · 14-07-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by twilight_sparkle

Brilliant, what a talented guy!! Shame he was arrested.

It's criminal that he was arrested seeing as how the cheques were never cashed anyway! I remember reading an article about the way this family lived in poverty and how Shaun had to share his room with one of his relatives.

daugustus · 16-07-2012, 09:15 PM

I speak Portuguese, so just now I´ve realized what "forger" means!

Thanks...

Anyway, I would well like to have this painting on my living room, regardless of anything:

Tom Keating The Haywain - in Reverse \| Flickr - Photo Sharing!

It´s not exactly the same case here, but while many people criticize the use of traditional architecture nowadays, I just think this is the kind of thing we should expect to see in times of enlightenment, and even more:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1022349

thecatsmeow · 16-07-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by daugustus

I speak Portuguese, so just now I´ve realized what "forger" means!

Thanks...

Anyway, I would well like to have this painting on my living room, regardless of anything:

Tom Keating The Haywain - in Reverse | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

I don't blame you! I prefer it to the original

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Originally Posted by daugustus

It´s not exactly the same case here, but while many people criticize the use of traditional architecture nowadays, I just think this is the kind of thing we should expect to see in times of enlightenment, and even more:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1022349

Wow! You're in love with ART aren't you

So much beautiful architecture! I admit, though, that I'd prefer something like this...

Courtesy of http://www.simondale.net/house/

knightofthegrail · 17-07-2012, 06:20 AM

A rare brilliant television programme (that I have watched several times

). Scruton is my favourite philosopher and one of the few who occasionally get the opportunity to break through the nonsense on mainstream television.

daugustus · 17-07-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thecatsmeow

I don't blame you! I prefer it to the original

Wow! You're in love with ART aren't you

So much beautiful architecture! I admit, though, that I'd prefer something like this...

Courtesy of http://www.simondale.net/house/

Yeah... I would even like to start on the construction market to change it...

Now, your kind of architecture is also great and has in common with mine that it´s more human, and the greenroof plays indispensable role in my plans to start on the construction market and contribute to a good climate in São Paulo.

daugustus · 17-07-2012, 04:10 PM

I believe Scruton had to take some time to find the strength to challenge the mainstream thought with this documentary.

When I talk about beauty as a basic human need and actually a supposed function of architecture, people get mad!

thecatsmeow · 17-07-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by daugustus

I believe Scruton had to take some time to find the strength to challenge the mainstream thought with this documentary.

When I talk about beauty as a basic human need and actually a supposed function of architecture, people get mad!

Haha! Maybe that's because they are mad! I know I can't live without beauty: It would send me crazy!

thecatsmeow · 17-07-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by daugustus

Yeah... I would even like to start on the construction market to change it...

Now, your kind of architecture is also great and has in common with mine that it´s more human, and the greenroof plays indispensable role in my plans to start on the construction market and contribute to a good climate in São Paulo.

Sounds amazing! I'd love to be part of that

daugustus · 17-07-2012, 05:17 PM

^^^^^^^^^
Oh, that´s good to hear. Let´s invite Scruton too?

13-07-2012, 08:28 PM	#2
thecatsmeow Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In the Vortex Posts: 4,884	I remember watching this programme when it was first broadcast and I thought it was excellent. It was thought-provoking and interesting. I've always hated the snobbery attached to the "appreciation" of "art" I much prefer to see something represented as close to the original as possible. I believe abstract drawings and art are soulless and an attempt to obfuscate and mislead people as to what art really is. __________________ Orgonite FMOTL Children of the Matrix Home Education Free The Planet Psychic Protection Children Lobsang T Rampa UK Column

13-07-2012, 08:43 PM	#4
thecatsmeow Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In the Vortex Posts: 4,884	Hahaha! "Experts" Hilarious! Let's face it; it's all a load of pretentious BS but they would never admit it and it's grown into a massive, multi-billion $£ industry! The people I really admire are the forgers! Absolute genius's who get criminalized for what they do. __________________ Orgonite FMOTL Children of the Matrix Home Education Free The Planet Psychic Protection Children Lobsang T Rampa UK Column

13-07-2012, 10:35 PM	#7
thecatsmeow Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In the Vortex Posts: 4,884	Derek Hughes: (1925 -2003) British A gentleman British master of faking English Naive and Provincial School primitives usually executed on timber panels and old canvas pot boilers which he cleaned off with thinners. His supplies of wood, canvasses and particularly old paint, were bought in regularly from local auctioneers in Cornwall. Looe, Lostwithiel and Par were his own favourite haunts before he contracted Parkinsons and couldn't get around much but he had a regular team of friends supplying him with product on which to paint. He principally concentrated on the production of fake animal art. Old Gloucestershire spot pigs, prize bulls and sheep, but very successfully reproduced many works purportedly by Eugene Boudin. He lived, taught painting and worked vociferously from a studio on the Espanade in Fowey where many of the fake paintings were exhibited in his bay window for holidaymakers to see. Derek colluded with the local baker who happily 'baked' his works in the large bread ovens to give them age in return for the odd masterpiece many of which lined the walls of his three story town house. As he told me many times and like Tom Keating, Derek turned to his tongue in cheek faking simply to get his own back a bit on an art world that did not truly recognise his true talent but more often than not, he painted fakes just for fun! A prime example of his dry humour, he exibited many of his works at Constables Studio which was housed in the Old Fowey Police Station and Jail! __________________ Orgonite FMOTL Children of the Matrix Home Education Free The Planet Psychic Protection Children Lobsang T Rampa UK Column

13-07-2012, 10:37 PM	#8
thecatsmeow Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In the Vortex Posts: 4,884	Eric Hebborn: (1934-1996) British. "It's written that: "Hebborn was a rogue who had no limits to his skulduggery." Eric Hebborn was a British forger who defrauded the art world in the 1960s with purportedly over a thousand Old Master drawings. Hebborn copied the style of artists such as; Corot, Castiglione, Van Dyck, Poussin, Savelli Sperandio, Francesco del Cossa, Mantegna, Ghisi, Rubens,Tiepolo, Piranesi and Jan Breughel, with huge success, duping great art auction houses, including Christie's and made a good living out of duplicating works of art for owners who didn't want the real thing hanging on the wall. Apparently even the Foreign office were clients of his. Hebborn died under mysterious circumstances in 1996?" __________________ Orgonite FMOTL Children of the Matrix Home Education Free The Planet Psychic Protection Children Lobsang T Rampa UK Column

13-07-2012, 10:42 PM	#9
thecatsmeow Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: In the Vortex Posts: 4,884	This one's my favourite! The artful codgers: Pensioners who conned British museums with £10m forgeries Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz20XcXyQzA __________________ Orgonite FMOTL Children of the Matrix Home Education Free The Planet Psychic Protection Children Lobsang T Rampa UK Column

13-07-2012, 08:36 PM	#3
daugustus Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 60	I believe most people would have the guts to confess that Marcel Duchamp´s work and others are bullshit if they were not afraid of being ridiculed by adepts of the "mainstream" thought.

13-07-2012, 09:05 PM	#5
daugustus Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 60	Would you give me a clue to those forgers you mentioned?

17-07-2012, 06:20 AM	#14
knightofthegrail Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 10,659	A rare brilliant television programme (that I have watched several times ). Scruton is my favourite philosopher and one of the few who occasionally get the opportunity to break through the nonsense on mainstream television.

17-07-2012, 04:10 PM	#16
daugustus Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 60	I believe Scruton had to take some time to find the strength to challenge the mainstream thought with this documentary. When I talk about beauty as a basic human need and actually a supposed function of architecture, people get mad!

17-07-2012, 05:17 PM	#19
daugustus Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 60	^^^^^^^^^ Oh, that´s good to hear. Let´s invite Scruton too?