The Force really exists, scientists agree

[whatsinaname]

I'm halfway through this book at the moment.

It really is one of those books that everyone should read; sceptics especially!

[snakesnladders]

bumping... just cuz...

[rodin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=8dUsRWs-pZY

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She says "I" and "mine" a lot for a being who says she is "part of a universal whole". I wonder if she shares the money she makes from her books and videos with her "universal brothers and sisters". Well.....probably not, but only her lawyer knows for sure.

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Newtonian science is a fantastic descriptor of the physical world. It works. The idea of a 'field' is not new. It was once called the aether, then it was replaced by 'space-time' via the Einstein hoax. This to prevent further investigation of the true nature of the aether.

New agers like Wilcox et al take element of this bogus science and fold back a fake spiritual model in which the individual is always a god.

Now what religion says that its people are collectively god?

She is a high-esteem girl, probably thinks she is god herself...

[rodin]

A dead giveaway of propaganda is the use of a musical background to program the brain.

[rodin]

Fake background, fake message

Lynn Mc Taggert on Quantum Physics 1 of 2 - YouTube

Lynn Mc Taggert on Quantum Physics 1 of 2 - YouTube

Right off the bat Quantum Physics is wrong. The Copenhagen interpretation was an attempt to tie together apparently contradictory experimental results.

In actual fact the experiments were flawed, quantum physics was built on erroneous foundations. Quite possibly deliberately.

7 Reasons To Abandon Quantum Mechanics

http://scienceforums.com/topic/11645...is-new-theory/

[love1776]

Originally Posted by snakesnladders

I have just started reading a book called 'the Field' - you can get it from amazon.com.

It was written by a journalist who has synthesised and brought together ideas from top cutting edge scientists and physicists who are studying quantum mechanics and its larger scale implications.

they are more or less saying that there exists a 'field' of energy that binds all in the universe together at a subatomic quantum level - a quantum field or 'force' if you will

which means that everything we do affects everything else, we are all connected, and our actions can powerfully affect the universe etc.

more or less explains many things religions have been teaching for a while now, the power of prayer, and eastern medicines /concepts like acupuncture and qi energy....

so they say the newtonian, darwinian ideas are now being replaced and are outdated, and that we should no longer see ourselves as individuals struggling for survival (of hte fittest) and alone in our struggle etc...

but instead we are all part of this vast web of energy, all connected to everything else in the universe on a quantum level

and our very intentions and thoughts actually change and shape matter...

this means our thoughts are extremely powerful....

matter at its most basic level doesn't actually have a particular form - it's in a quantum state - and our INTENTION actually affects what form the matter takes.

this is MAJOR - it means the way we do everything, organise our society, all our sciences, are going to need a massive re-think...

it also tends to reconcile many religious ideas with science and provide basis for them....

i highly recommend the book, it's really interesting - may change your whole world view - show it to any scientists you know as well...

I don't DISCOUNT the idea of us being connected at some sort of non-visible level, even quite directly... However... Each time I hear people mentioning KEY phrases like 'we need to come together', 'we are all one', etcetera --- it kindof sparks suspicion in my mind that the particular individual and/or organization may be interested, possibly even without their own knowledge, of promoting a new type of society that reflects the idea of us all being one LIKE THE NEW WORLD ORDER CONSISTING OF A WORLD GOVERNMENT...

So I'm naturally quite suspicious, and in my personal experience --- this is where MANY, not all, of these type of people LEAD into when it comes to this type of 'we are all one' language... Even in your own post you basically said that 'we are all one therefore we may need to reorganize our society' and I'm paraphrasing what you said...

[love1776]

So here's the deal, K? We can all be "one", and be "connected" and have peace/trading and harmony with other countries --- but the United States of America is still going to remain a free and sovereign nation... k?

[kesm27]

Originally Posted by love1776

So here's the deal, K? We can all be "one", and be "connected" and have peace/trading and harmony with other countries --- but the United States of America is still going to remain a free and sovereign nation... k?

What do you mean, "remain"?

[trux newman]

I read that book about 10/11 years ago and was so disappointed. I'm glad you're all getting something from it but it's just old principles given a spooky new agey tint and re-packaged like it's a new revalation so it sells to the same people that buy stuff like The Secret and makes the author lots of money.

[terrorworld]

All these people mentioned are not very near to the REAL scientific 'PROOF' that 'THE FORCE' (which is obviously orgone, Chi, Ki, Prana) exists.
(Though experiments show that this energy should in deed exist because of some inexplicable phenomena, normally just dismissed by ignorant mainstream scientists).

But there are actually some really good ones now:
(Sorry, all books mentioned are written in German language)
Klaus Piontzik (magnetic earth grids; it's about spinwaves, partly)


Reiner Gebbensleben ('hypersound' - I call it EHF/extremely high frequency sound, and 'magnetic longitudinal waves' = spinwaves)


Karl-Heinz Hellwege (mentions ultrasound/hypersound beam pencils, among others)


In a 'Small Encyclopedia' about 'atomic and nuclear physics' published by
Christian Weißmantel, similar to this one

but not only there, additionally the plasma oscillations (which do exist in ionospheric plasmas, and in conducting electron plasmas, e.g.) are mentioned.

You might ask where these energies come from, originally:
It's solar and non-solar particle streams (solar wind, e.g., and cosmic radiation),
ionizing the atmosphere, respectively passing on of vibration energies from those extraterrestrial energies into the earth atmosphere, partly by energy conversion.

Take these phonons, magnons and plasmons (and, probably, excitons and polaritons...) together with the (mostly solar) photons then you've got orgone, Chi, Ki or Prana - 'The Force'.
>>> See the orgonite sub-forum in 'Health' etc.
Same energy group ([partly] non-equilibrium, non-thermodynamical oscillations) like the stone healing energy or the one from homeopathy, obviously (works by biophysical resonances).

--- By the way:
About something like antigravity there's Klaus Volkamer;
about overlightspeed travel (in our space dimension, considering that parallel dimension exist) there's Charles James Hall (photon theory, PDF science papers online).

>>> I remember this saying by narrow-minded ignorants:
'There's nothing left to discover in science', at least nothing remarkable, so it's not worth going into science...
(Of course this comment comes from non-scientists, always).

[terrorworld]

Oh sorry, of course I've forgotten Fritz-Albert Popp's biophotons

(I haven't read this)
-> the question remaining here is how penetrating and far-reaching these rather weak coherent (laser-like) photons really are. But you can add this to the 'orgone energies'.

---
And about the crossed photons (one of both knows about the other one in the distance of km's and more) - the 'spooky remote effect' or 'quantum teleportation': Anton Zeilinger
(I haven't read this, either)

[snakesnladders]

Bumping ....

[exford]

Quantum Physics Fairy Tale - YouTube

Quantum Physics Fairy Tale - YouTube