Anti-Masons Eng Game?

[ksigmason]

Originally Posted by busa

I understand from the nature of your comments that you genuinly know nothing about alien spirit co-habitation or attachements.

I genuinely don't care about such things though.

Originally Posted by busa

For the vast majority of people it is too frightening to want to consider.

Meh, doesn't seem to frightening of a concept.

[busa]

Originally Posted by ksigmason

I genuinely don't care about such things though.

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Thats a shame, because your studies and desire to become learned will be very lacking without the alien factor.

But denial of knowledge is all part of the program, creating "system slaves" : programmed people.

Some people have broken out of the program, some people like me were never in it.

[ksigmason]

Originally Posted by busa

Thats a shame, because your studies and desire to become learned will be very lacking without the alien factor.

But denial of knowledge is all part of the program, creating "system slaves" : programmed people.

Some people have broken out of the program, some people like me were never in it.

I'm not denying the knowledge, I just let my research, and life in general, take me where it takes me.

[busa]

Originally Posted by ksigmason

I'm not denying the knowledge, I just let my research, and life in general, take me where it takes me.

Very much the same here.
The alien presence and influence in our past is fascinating, but rather heavy duty at times. It doesn't dominate my life or study, there are other much more happy and pleasurable things to do and learn about.

Hence messing around with forced induction and classic motorcycles.
I am entirely self taught with engineering and construction practise.
For me working on my bikes is a very spiritual thing. Its a creative and holistic experience. I am not unskilled in building and modifying bikes.
There is a whole lifestyle and culture around bikes that is the best in my opinion. But you have to be in it to know it.

[busa]

I am also very interested in our British heritage and architecture, this is one of my big passions.

One of my favourite buildings, you might enjoy this?
The Triangular Lodge:
http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/d...angular-lodge/

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by offramp

But how did 30 non-Freemasons get to be President? That's what you are not answering. 30 is a super-double-astronomical number.

I'll tell you what - let's just take one example.

Answer me this:
How did Abraham Lincoln get to be President?

That's a pretty straightforward question - on a scale of 100% at least.

From the 30 not all were chosen free and some were from other similar secret societies like explained by me, so 30 is not an accurate number.

Among the few ones who were not manipulated were people like Kenedy who spoke out against people like you and got asasinated.
As stated, as such an organisation like your order, masonry is the leading organisation in providing vice presindents and presidents.

How did Abraham Lincoln get to be President?

Abraham lincon got asasinated. He got waked because he did not go with the program.

Let me share you on a little secret.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...smasons_1b.htm
Note:1856-(1865?) John Wilkes Booth, the man who killed Lincoln in 1865. Confirmed 33rd degree Mason.

I guess 33 is honorary and only the best that have honor in them are given the 33 rank. (the surface bullshit explanation given by masons)
John Wilkes Booth was such a good man that he waked Lincon.


Lincon was against the masons etc, against slavery and he got waked. Do you want me to start on masonry and slavery (masons owning slaves)
It's why Lincon got wacked by people from your fraternal order. So to answer your question when Lincon went against he god murdered by your fraternal order, Lincon was suppose to be a good little puppet, it's why he got elected, but I guess that he refused to do so and got killed.

.....You should be proud of your fraternal order's history especialy because it's rich in criminals and slave owners.

..........Kennedy spoke out against secret societies and got waked also.

So out of the number of 30 that you spin around, the number of free presidents is quite small, adding that there were other members from other similar secret societies orders and that some of those who were trully free got asasinated. So I was telling you, masonry is the leading order in providing presidents.

So this completes my explanation of how masonry provides members for the ruling class, control freak criminals that is.
Let me spell it for you, Control freak psychopathic corrupted freaks.


This proves one of my points that I made that once graduation happens masons are ready to go occupy the ruling position they have been given.

I am mostly glad that your fraternal numbers in members is in free drop, once they drop even further to an all time low there won't be much of an influence anymore.
The more they drop the less influence there is. I mean it's simple, it's called "FREEDOM"

[offramp]

I'm not talking about anything that happened after he became President - that doesn't concern me.

How did Lincoln get to be the US President?

He was not in the Freemasons - we all know that.

I cannot understand why you're not answering the question.

[offramp]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

Let me share you on a little secret.

You could at least have quoted this part from the same page; their opinion is that the Jesuits killed Lincoln:

...[The] death of Abraham Lincoln, which was instigated by the "black" pope, the General of the Jesuit Order, camouflaged by the "white" pope, Pius IX, aided, abetted and financed by other "Divine Righters" of Europe, and finally consummated by the Roman Hierarchy and their paid agents in this country and French Canada on "Good Friday" night, April 14, 1865...

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by offramp

I'm not talking about anything that happened after he became President - that doesn't concern me.

How did Lincoln get to be the US President?

He was not in the Freemasons - we all know that.

I cannot understand why you're not answering the question.

Is this the way you are going to dodge what I said, hahahahhaha epic fail.

He became a president to follow the rules of the establishment, once he refused he got killed.

33 degree mason murdered Lincon, is as simple as that.

..[The] death of Abraham Lincoln, which was instigated by the "black" pope, the General of the Jesuit Order, camouflaged by the "white" pope, Pius IX, aided, abetted and financed by other "Divine Righters" of Europe, and finally consummated by the Roman Hierarchy and their paid agents in this country and French Canada on "Good Friday" night, April 14, 1865...

The plot was made by other 33 degree masons that had high position status.

Directly involved in the plot were 33rd degree Freemason ; 33rd degree Freemason John Wilkes Booth; Freemason Judah P. Benjamin and others.

YOU WAKED LINCOLN.

[offramp]

Originally Posted by pepsi78

He became a president to follow the rules of the establishment...

Well if you don't know, you don't know.

That's fair enough I suppose.

You come across as being as big a fan of history as you are of maths.

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by offramp

Well if you don't know, you don't know.

That's fair enough I suppose.

You come across as being as big a fan of history as you are of maths.

Sure we do sure, Lincoln was against slavery and against your brotherhood's agenda.

33 degree mason killed Lincoln. I can understand why you would try to excuse that a 33 degree masons killed Lincoln and find a back door excuse since you are for your hive not to get stained.

Your fraternity murdered Lincoln because they were for slavery and other things that Lincoln was against.

I think I answered your question, he got elected so he can listen to the masonic goons and freaks bent on total manipulation. He refused so he got killed.

While you produce rose stories I come up with facts.

Here is the fact hiting you: John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln.



Lincoln's position on slavery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham...ln_and_slavery
Abraham Lincoln's position on slavery was one of the central issues in American history.

Abraham Lincoln often expressed moral opposition to slavery in both public and private.[1] Initially, Lincoln expected to bring about the eventual extinction of slavery by stopping its further expansion into any U.S. territory, and by proposing compensated emancipation (an offer Congress applied to Washington, D.C) in his early presidency.

[eppyone]

Originally Posted by offramp

Well if you don't know, you don't know.

That's fair enough I suppose.

You come across as being as big a fan of history as you are of maths.

You might as well forget it, we Mason's either put all these people in power, or killed the ones we didn't. Or at least thats what pepsi thinks. Too bad he/she can't answer how he became president to begin with...

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by eppyone

You might as well forget it, we Mason's either put all these people in power, or killed the ones we didn't. Or at least thats what pepsi thinks. Too bad he/she can't answer how he became president to begin with...

33 Degree mason John Wilkes Booth killed Lincoln.

Bump....

It's what happens when you are in a position of power and against the wishes of others.

Since masonry would suppose to be have highest standard in morality and ethics(bullshit) we would not see masons owning slaves, since it would not be morale and ethic to subdue other human beings to being slaves.

But this is not the case, lots of masonic founding fathers (George Washington included) if not all had slaves. Very ethical and morale. (Bullshit raped in shinny paper)

Slavery was usual among these masons (ethical and morale). When masonry was suppose to be of the highest order in such things.

So this guy Lincoln wanted to abolish slavery and other things that masons grew fund of, because (they were ethical and morale) such as slavery.

I call Lincoln the real ethical and moral person. (not you fake goons), but because it was disturbing to other people he got killed.

I guess it was ethical and moral among masons to have slaves, just like everyone that had slaves thought of it at that time, that it is normal so never mind ethics and morals. I guess I should call Albert Pike's book "BULLSHIT AND DOGMA"

With masonry being the cream of BULLSHIT, I'm sorry I meant the cream of morals and ethics.


Morals and ethics, masonic style.


Let the slave do all my work...I don't have time for this, I'm made to rule give orders, write books and make observations on ethics and morals, sit my ass on a chair and command as my regal ass needs to.

This is of course highly morale and ethic as a fart coming out of the ass.

[pepsi78]

Too bad he/she can't answer how he became president to begin with

Lincoln too was suppose to be a mason but he said he would apply for membership after he finished his presidential term, this just shows his relation to masonry. He was suppose to be one of the good old masonic folks, supposed to listen to the masonic influence, but when he refused he god killed, his policies were against what the masons wanted. Guess he did not know what he was getting into and what masonry was really about since he was not a member yet but his affiliation among the masons is clear by wanting to join the masonic ranks before becoming the president.

He did not listen he got killed.

[kadosh]

Abraham Lincoln was not a freemason. He applied for membership in Tyrian Lodge, Springfield, Ill., shortly after his nomination for the presidency in 1860 but withdrew the application because he felt that his applying for membership at that time might be construed as a political ruse to obtain votes. He advised the lodge that he would resubmit his application again when he returned from the presidency.

On the death of the president, Tyrian Lodge adopted, on April 17, 1865, a resolution to say "that the decision of President Lincoln to postpone his application for the honours of Freemasonry, lest his motives be misconstrued, is the highest degree honourable to his memory."

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/...lincoln_a.html

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by kadosh

Abraham Lincoln was not a freemason. He applied for membership in Tyrian Lodge, Springfield, Ill., shortly after his nomination for the presidency in 1860 but withdrew the application because he felt that his applying for membership at that time might be construed as a political ruse to obtain votes. He advised the lodge that he would resubmit his application again when he returned from the presidency.

It's what I said above.

On the death of the president, Tyrian Lodge adopted, on April 17, 1865, a resolution to say "that the decision of President Lincoln to postpone his application for the honours of Freemasonry, lest his motives be misconstrued, is the highest degree honourable to his memory."

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/biography/...lincoln_a.html

Interesting, they killed him then to cover it up gave him all the honors.

[learner]

From an outside perspective. If it is so,- that Masons have been the majority of presidents from the beginning,then it would also not be strange for non masons to be presidents.

I say this simply because the indication would then show that masons indeed have a major influence perhaps more control in all aspects in this area.Because popular faces to the public would be more 'important', which if this were the case,a non mason having such a way with people,would still be president but under masonry influence.

Plausible.

[learner]

Not really my area but interestingly,
Do I think masons want to run the world ? I would say everyone to some degree,wants to run the world. Some want to, by the belief that they would make things better for all and others do by "Brave new world concepts".

Perhaps there really isn't any thing wrong with a New World Order per se, depending cautiously on who's running it.

[pepsi78]

Originally Posted by learner

Not really my area but interestingly,
Do I think masons want to run the world ? I would say everyone to some degree,wants to run the world. Some want to, by the belief that they would make things better for all and others do by "Brave new world concepts".

Perhaps there really isn't any thing wrong with a New World Order per se, depending cautiously on who's running it.

That is the problem, it is bound to happen once and the corrupt ones to grab power, so the world in the hand of a single bunch of people is dangerous.

If nations can rise up against those that cross the line to equal things up, in a new world order there is no one to rise up anymore, since the goal is to kill cultural identity and install a global feeling.

The problem with the NWO is that there is no oposition to jump in and to equal things up, there is no one to hold them accountable. If things don't equal up then tyranny can take place.

Human nature at the current time cannot live in harmony with the mentality and concepts it has, unification would just cause mass slavery with psychopaths that rule bent on more power and control.

Humanity has not earned it's right to do such things, yet alone venture into the far other space.

A bunch of people want power because they think they are better than everyone else, of course they are not, they will rule like robots and bring suffering if they do rule because life is far more compealing than the rigid robotic logic that they have. They have the mentality of an insect pee brain.

[learner]

I understand Pepsi78.

Knowledge is power is the expression that comes to mind. What powerful knowledge is secretly known that is beyond the public masses? Ever since the arrival of these Gods in all scripture and of ancients,we have been struggling as survivors. It is also understandable to realize that these ancient books of wonders known to few have not helped human-beings as a whole in anyway since the dawn of man.

Knowledge of the ancient Gods is merely an accumulation by their long past histories.Advanced they may have been but human they too were,with the same emotions,of jealousy ,anger and even love. If our human group existing today were left alone unrestricted,getting on with it unhindered,- we would in time accumulate the same. It would be just a rediscovery of what is already there. This will happen because that is Natural law. It is there to be found!

I do believe in the concept of balance,hence all existence and the universe counterbalances disorder and chaos. What may seem thousands of years of suffering without any resolution is actually being countered. It did occur to me when the great Karl Sagan said;" We are here so that the universe can see itself " We have also seen with our eyes illness,poverty,atrocities and mayhem. I wonder what manner of counterbalance will come forth?

Odd notions sometimes make sense IMO lol
Good day.