Biologist Christl Meyer: AIDS is a hoax!

[khamael]

AIDS is a hoax! Biologist Christl Meyer explodes the HIV/AIDS conspiracy - YouTube

AIDS is a hoax! Biologist Christl Meyer explodes the HIV/AIDS conspiracy - YouTube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaA6zLUPfvk

Biologist and researcher Christl Meyer has provided scientific evidence
proving without doubt that the so called "HIV-virus", which is claimed
to be the cause of AIDS, does not exist.
In this interview with Jane Burgermeister, Christl Meyer explains the
HIV conspiracy and why the HIV vaccine campaign must be considered a
genocide against Africans and the "Third World". In addition the
campaign for HIV disturbs the Human Rights of everyone.
Because there is no virus causing a syndrome called AIDS, there is no
standard for a HIV (AIDS) test. People can show positive even after a
flu vaccine.

Jane's blog: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com
Christl's website: http://www.christl-meyer-science.net


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[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by khamael

AIDS is a hoax! Biologist Christl Meyer explodes the HIV/AIDS conspiracy - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaA6zLUPfvk

Biologist and researcher Christl Meyer has provided scientific evidence
proving without doubt that the so called "HIV-virus", which is claimed
to be the cause of AIDS, does not exist.
In this interview with Jane Burgermeister, Christl Meyer explains the
HIV conspiracy and why the HIV vaccine campaign must be considered a
genocide against Africans and the "Third World". In addition the
campaign for HIV disturbs the Human Rights of everyone.
Because there is no virus causing a syndrome called AIDS, there is no
standard for a HIV (AIDS) test. People can show positive even after a
flu vaccine.

Jane's blog: http://birdflu666.wordpress.com
Christl's website: http://www.christl-meyer-science.net

this is absolute bullshit.
i have lost more than a dozen friends over the years, who died of aids, after being found hiv positive.
i have watched them die.
i wish it was a hoax and millions had not died of it.

[bendoon]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

this is absolute bullshit.
i have lost more than a dozen friends over the years, who died of aids, after being found hiv positive.
i have watched them die.
i wish it was a hoax and millions had not died of it.

How do you know it wasn't the drugs they gave them that killed them ?

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by bendoon

How do you know it wasn't the drugs they gave them that killed them ?

many of them died before there were any drugs.
when azt was introduced, it extended life for a few, but the end result was the same.

no one really dies of aids. they die of whatever bug they catch while their immune system is ravaged.
aids is no hoax, and anyone who says it is is clueless.
talk to any older queer. sadly, we know all about it.

[khamael]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

many of them died before there were any drugs.
when azt was introduced, it extended life for a few, but the end result was the same.

no one really dies of aids. they die of whatever bug they catch while their immune system is ravaged.
aids is no hoax, and anyone who says it is is clueless.
talk to any older queer. sadly, we know all about it.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by khamael

ya, really...fuck off with your condescension.
your random internet quack is clueless about aids, and obviously so are you.

and jane burgermeister is a fucking loonie.

[tenzingnorgay]

AIDS is real. HIV is the hoax. AIDS is not a communicable disesase. It is exactly what it says it is, an acquired immune deficiency and can can be caused by any number of things.

[ytch]

I think human intelligence is a hoax

[exu156]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

ya, really...fuck off with your condescension.
your random internet quack is clueless about aids, and obviously so are you.

and jane burgermeister is a fucking loonie.

Yes this thread is about as convincing as previous threads:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=213358

[ponzi nemesis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

this is absolute bullshit.
i have lost more than a dozen friends over the years, who died of aids, after being found hiv positive.
i have watched them die.
i wish it was a hoax and millions had not died of it.

Sorry to hear about your friends. However things may not have been as you thought. Try watching the award-winning documentary House of Numbers - trailer and details of awards here - http://houseofnumbers.com - and the film in full:

House of Numbers - YouTube

House of Numbers - YouTube

I'd be interested to know what you make of House of Numbers after you have watched it.

EDIT: PS I was at a conference three weeks ago with Christl Meyer abou this very topic - http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Conten...5/Default.aspx

[winegums]

Or save yourself the time:

http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by winegums

Or save yourself the time:

http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/

http://www.badscience.net/2009/09/house-of-numbers/

this film. It presents itself as a naïve journey by one young film maker to discover the science behind HIV. In reality it’s a dreary and pernicious piece of Aids denialist propaganda.

[ponzi nemesis]

If you did watch it I'd be interested to know what you make of the film.

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by ponzi nemesis

If you did watch it I'd be interested to know what you make of the film.

my remote location, and slow connection, makes watching your one and a half hour film virtually impossible.

i have witnessed the disease and its ravages first hand, many times.
i have always believed it was a designed weapon aimed at queers.
most homophobes don't recognize that there are many shades of sexual orientations and experiences.
it backfired.

whatever its causes, whatever its true intent, whatever its sordid history, aids is very real and used to be 100% fatal.

[ponzi nemesis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

many of them died before there were any drugs.
when azt was introduced, it extended life for a few, but the end result was the same.

no one really dies of aids. they die of whatever bug they catch while their immune system is ravaged.
aids is no hoax, and anyone who says it is is clueless.
talk to any older queer. sadly, we know all about it.

By the way I agree with everything you say here. Does that surprise you? None of it requires the existence of a pathogenic, sexually transmissible virus, and I posit that there is insufficient evidence of such to make it a cause worth considering.

Some would have you believe that this position is very unusual. You might be surprised however that it is more common than you would think. You could take a look at this list of quotes for example to get an idea:

http://aras.ab.ca/aidsquotes.htm

Since I started questioning the orthodox views about AIDS I have twice visited hospital clinics to be tested for potentially sexually transmissible diseases as a routine check-up in each case i.e. not having any symptoms.

The first time was in Phnom Penh where I went to the best private hospital there. The doctor I talked to had studied in Paris. I told her why I didn't want to be tested for HIV giving a brief summary of my views and she shared with me that she thought I was probably right.

The next time I decided to get tested I was in Colchester, England. Similar story, talking to the doctor in the genitourinary medicine clinic, explained why I didn't want an HIV test, near identical response. OK it's a survey size of 2 but still, can you imagine I would get the same response if I said the same of some other condition apparently considered fatal by orthodox medicine?

For example what do you think the chances are that, if I mentioned to a doctor working in an accident and emergency setting that, in my opinion, it's best to let a serious laceration just bleed out without trying to stop the flow of blood, do you think he'd just say "sure, sounds like a good idea to me" just for a laugh, to save the disagreement, or for whatever reason? And even if I happened to find one doctor who did so, what would be the odds of it happening twice in a row?

The doctor in Colchester was African, working in England. The one before was Khmer, working in Cambodia. They both have more reason than most to have thought about this subject, and I have a great deal more respect for their opinions than for Ben Goldacre's.

[believenothing]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

many of them died before there were any drugs.
when azt was introduced, it extended life for a few, but the end result was the same.

no one really dies of aids. they die of whatever bug they catch while their immune system is ravaged.
aids is no hoax, and anyone who says it is is clueless.
talk to any older queer. sadly, we know all about it.

This is the reason why AIDS itself doesn't really exist the way people think it does, and I think the reason why people claim it is a hoax. HIV exists. Most of the AIDS hoax explanations I've read elaborate on AIDS not being a virus. It's not. HIV is the virus, AIDS is a syndrome. The name given to an immune system weakened by HIV.

The explanation I remember from the early 90s was that HIV lied dormant until it became full-blown AIDS. That's not entirely true, HIV untreated will destroy the immune system to the point where people die from the common cold or other normally mild things.

There was a specific cancer that people dying from HIV-ravaged immune systems had in common and died from. There is an unofficial consensus this was caused by the early treatment and not acknowledged for obvious reasons. There is also the conspiracy theory about it being made in a lab.

I've met a couple people who had HIV. The treatment is expensive, but now it's kind of like hepatitis and what not as treatable without the former grim prognosis (and medication evolving, etc.) The only person I ever met who said they knew people who died from it turned out to be lying for sympathy. Not accusing bikerdruid of lying, just telling a true story and the reason why people buy into the hoax thing

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by believenothing

This is the reason why AIDS itself doesn't really exist the way people think it does, and I think the reason why people claim it is a hoax. HIV exists.

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The only person I ever met who said they knew people who died from it turned out to be lying for sympathy. Not accusing bikerdruid of lying, just telling a true story and the reason why people buy into the hoax thing

further up the thread someone claimed that aids is real and hiv is the hoax.

millions have died of aids, but today, it is fairly treatable, apparently.
i can assure you, i have lost a dozen of friends to it.
whatever the cause of aids, whatever the history of aids, the deaths are very real.

[believenothing]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

further up the thread someone claimed that aids is real and hiv is the hoax.

millions have died of aids, but today, it is fairly treatable, apparently.
i can assure you, i have lost a dozen of friends to it.
whatever the cause of aids, whatever the history of aids, the deaths are very real.

Yeah, that's what I was addressing. Which is a bit different from the standard "AIDS is a hoax" which confuses people because AIDS is the symptom of an HIV-weakened immune system. Confusing because the establishment chose to call the whole thing AIDS and also HIV, which is why the conspiracy theory works.

I don't doubt millions have dies from it. In the modern era (because it's treatable and the treatment is expensive) it's a shame that people are dying because they have HIV-weakened immune systems due to being unable to access treatment. Big Pharma doesn't care about people who can't give them money whether they are uninsured Westerners or Africans.

Conspiracy theories entertain me. I ponder them and sometimes consider them. HIV is definitely real, I worked in a position which wasn't really medically-related but involved potential contact with blood and in this position I became aware of some people's medical history and a few of them had it. There is no cure, but because it's treatable less people are dying from it in the West. Abroad, not so much and that's a problem.

I think the 'HIV was artificially created' conspiracy theory is interesting and again I think the common specific cancers that people died from in the 80s and 90s were treatment-related. But HIV is as real as Hepatitis or anything else.

[ponzi nemesis]

Originally Posted by believenothing

Yeah, that's what I was addressing. Which is a bit different from the standard "AIDS is a hoax" which confuses people because AIDS is the symptom of an HIV-weakened immune system. Confusing because the establishment chose to call the whole thing AIDS and also HIV, which is why the conspiracy theory works.

I don't doubt millions have dies from it. In the modern era (because it's treatable and the treatment is expensive) it's a shame that people are dying because they have HIV-weakened immune systems due to being unable to access treatment. Big Pharma doesn't care about people who can't give them money whether they are uninsured Westerners or Africans.

Conspiracy theories entertain me. I ponder them and sometimes consider them. HIV is definitely real, I worked in a position which wasn't really medically-related but involved potential contact with blood and in this position I became aware of some people's medical history and a few of them had it. There is no cure, but because it's treatable less people are dying from it in the West. Abroad, not so much and that's a problem.

I think the 'HIV was artificially created' conspiracy theory is interesting and again I think the common specific cancers that people died from in the 80s and 90s were treatment-related. But HIV is as real as Hepatitis or anything else.

I am not aware of any conspiracy theory that holds water. This is a cock-up.

Most people define 'HIV' as 'the virus that causes AIDS' it would seem. Can you tell me what evidence you are aware of that such a virus exists? My position is pretty much the same as that of Kary Mullis, who has the Nobel Prize for discovering PCR who says “It’s not even probable, let alone scientifically proven, that HIV causes AIDS. If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There are no such documents.” (Spin Magazine, Vol. 10 No.4, 1994).

You can see that quote, and many more, on the page I linked earlier: http://aras.ab.ca/aidsquotes.htm The fist 6 minutes of this video is Mullis explaining part of the story as to how he came to the conclusion he did:

Why I Quit Hiv with Kary Mullis - Rodney Richards - more HoN - YouTube

Why I Quit Hiv with Kary Mullis - Rodney Richards - more HoN - YouTube

In short, those of you who think there is some evidence for this viral AIDS theory, don't you think you ought to be able to provide some? If you can't why do you believe it? Because the BBC and the papers say all the experts agree with it? Do you believe what they told you happened on September 11th, 2001 as well?

[ponzi nemesis]

Originally Posted by bikerdruid

my remote location, and slow connection, makes watching your one and a half hour film virtually impossible.

If you are curious as to the points it makes I just happened upon this page which contains a detailed description so thought I'd pop back here and share the link:

http://www.genesis2forum.org/index.p...4826&Itemid=66