What Is Time?

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by godgoo

Hardy Weinberg
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Units of year, hour, minute, second, tens of year.

Gel Electrophoresis
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Time.... Length. word. Letter.

Chronological, utilitarian measuring time. Man-made.
Can Heaven be measured? I bet they have tried mate.

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" That is the simple secret of happiness. Whatever you are doing, don't let past move your mind; don't let future disturb you. Because the past is no more, and the future is not yet. To live in the memories, to live in the imagination, is to live in the non-existential. And when you are living in the non-existential, you are missing that which is existential. Naturally you will be miserable, because you will miss your whole life."

Time is here and now.

[jon galt]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

A Brief History of Time by Stephen Hawkins.
Interesting book.

A good review:

http://www.jupiterscientific.org/review/bht.html

one of the best books i ever read for the fact that he describes it in lay terms that even i can understand. he has a good skill for explaining things simply.

[collateraldamage]

That reminds me of Timmy from the South Park cartoon, the disabled kid in a wheelchair who can only say Timmy and nothing else.

[jesusjamey]

Time is a term of the language we use to organize our relationship with the Universe, albeit only a mere portion of the total reality within which our Universe of Earth, Heaven and under Earth is structured. Time is both noun and verb. To comprehend time one must first contemplate upon and understand the origins of "numbers" within Infinity. Infinity is equivalent to Zero in the arithmetical model and Infinity has no physically discernible center nor any boundaries but is everywhere centered on our consciousness. Infinity extends infinitely outward from our minds and simultaneously inward from our minds.

The evidence for the above is present in the 24-hour clock. Draw same and separate the Prime Numbers from the ordinary numbers by connecting them with diameters through the center of the clock and one has drawn the Maltese or St. John's Cross, or as Peter Plichta names it, the 'Prime Number Cross.' Prime numbers extend to infinity, inward and outward, and each pair of these Primes is adjacent to a 6 or multiple of 6 (12, 18, and 24/1).

What does it mean that the clock is organized in this way?

Well the clock represents the process of sunlight forming shade by being interrupted when it falls on the earth. Since we discern order in this model based on the discrete relationship of the Primes and the common numbers, we may rightly accept that there is a conscious design in the model. The design forms a relationship between the Infinite and the temporary which our minds can relate to and take instruction from. The instruction is consistent with the Judeao-Christian-Islamic STORY. An Infinite consciousness is obviously communicating information which we understand and to which MIND we pray. This means to us that the external Infinite Mind (or a Superior Mind that is located outside of Infinity in the realm we refer to as Heaven) is compatible with our mortal minds. This is the relationship that animated the life of Jesus the Son of Mary.

This model is the source of our belief in the higher power, defining higher as being more complete than our own powers. By higher we do not mean superior in ability but that the higher mind possesses more information than we presently hold. This is logical since we started the model from Infinity where all possibilities exist and where all knowledge is present. We exist at a time and place in between Infinity and a perfected World, while Heaven exists as our guide toward perfection. Our faithful ancestors occupy Heaven; others await their time to return to earth and then reach heaven by accepting the gospels. Time is inherently the process of consciousness becoming materialized and then transcending that material existence in Heaven, Heaven being distinct from Infinity as well.

The next question is 'what is religion'? Why do we not know all things?

We interpret history to have been interrupted by the Great Flood so that the knowledge of the Prime Number Cross which was originally acquired in the 'Garden of Eden' was largely lost. Noah being a carpenter was acquainted with numbers and so his family retained the fundamentals of human existence and his 3 sons then conveyed to their generations the basics of that knowledge, including the belief in "God" and of course they possessed numbers as the one true or scientific language. This generation prospered and built the Tower of Babel, which was then destroyed, scattering the people and confusing the world with the many languages now present among the nations. This is why Science functions as a language of numbers seeking further numbers.

Religion is not a rival of Science but merely the human attempt to find the true story of reality. Our ancestors from Moses on endured their time attempting to establish the fact of the Heavenly realm of consciousness. Jesus completed that task by surviving the Cross. Since experience tends to confirm the Story but science doesn't, being incapable of identifying and describing the source of our own consciousness, it is the task of Religion to constantly alter the shape of our consciousness according to the context in which we test the momentary content of our faith.

The Bible, we say, is more Story than any other thing. Being mere story the Science of the Scriptures is always couched in dramatic metaphor or is characterized as the personal experience of a protagonist, while the more purely spiritual events are cloaked in the mystery of the lost key to the story. The life of Jesus proves that we are all capable of attaining to Heavenly perfection by joining His story.

So is time a phenomenon or nuomenon?

We suggest that time is to be understood as both, like the Light and the darkness that was measured when Numbers were discovered, time is a conscious nuomenon but also a physical phenomenon because of the fact that we are discussing Time as a noun on this page.

Numbers are not mere ideas but consist of real elements, otherwise what is Chemistry? The Periodic Table translates Numbers into the Chemical Elements which form the material Universe (within Infinity, remember). Hydrogen is #1. Helium, #2 and so as soon as these two distinct materials exist they try to destroy each other, by which process they become real (LIGHT) and go on to form the 81 elements that make up the material (or SHADOW) Universe. This event is known to us as the Big Bang which occurred when ONE broke free from INFINITY and then became TWO, et cetera up to 81. Notice that radioactivity is the process of the 'heavier elements' converging back into a form of death, being back in the Infinite form, back in Zero, relative to ourselves.

Numbers also form letters and letters formulate the words you are reading.

St. John is correct saying that "In the beginning was the word ..."

This computer converts words to the numbers 1 and zero and back again as we communicate. Each letter in the written alphabet has a numeric value beginning with A, which is valued at six (6 ones), and all of the subsequent numbers are found at increments of 6 (b=12, c=18 ...). By this process and within this structure consciousness produces reality. The particular reality of Earth is rooted in Infinity but is temporal because only some certain numbers, the Primes, connect us to the Infinite while the common numbers only exist on Earth and within the totality of the Conscious Mind that is authoring our story of Christ.

We might go further and explain that the number 4, the first common number, is a root of human spoken and written languages. Count the letters in any word you care to compose using the alphabet; convert the number to its word and count the letters in that word; repeat and you ultimately arrive at the word four which has 4 letters, and you thus have the key to spoken languages; 4 always has four letters. Being a common or temporary number, the word four can describe 4 ones, or two 2's, therefore being indefinite in the way that all Primes are definite and absolute. This is why Humans can tell the truth or not, because words are mutable. Numbers remain immutable.

Similarly the number six can be 6, or 2 threes, or 3 twos and six = 1+2+3 or 1x2x3.

10 is 1+2+3+4 and 24 is 1x2x3x4. These numbers were discovered, not invented, when the Ancients measured Light and Shadow.

Other evidence that numbers are as real as the solar system is found in the number 273.2 and 273.2 is the sidereal number of the moon's orbit relative to Earth’s orbit. It is also the duration of pregnancy.

The 81 elements have a reciprocal value that explains Quantum Mechanics. (too complicated to explain here but see Peter Plichta's Prime Number Cross theories). Basically 1/81 is representative of a value less than our Zero; notice that 1/81= 0.012345678901234567890 ad infinitum. Numbers themselves are infinite and without limit.

The conclusion then, to the question about TIME is, yes and no, time is merely a concept but TIME is also everything that is not material. Time is a real nuomenon/phenomenon involving real numbers and their reciprocals but TIME actually only exists in terms of the Human Story. Time for us is merely the duration of Acts like in a play or movie so, is the play real?

Are we real?

The answer to this last riddle depends on Christ. The way and the truth and the life is a choice open to each soul on the Earth, in Heaven and under the Earth.

Christ is the human personification of the harmonization of Infinity and Earth and Heaven.
There would be no time in Heaven but time does operate on Earth in the way most commentators suggest in this thread.

Under the Earth is the harsh place where all the mind has time for is to contemplate TIME: tick, tick, tick.

So what time is it?

Revelation 16:12 says all these scriptures are preparing the way of the Kings of the East and since we remember that 3 Magi visited Jesus at His birth in Bethlehem, we presume that there are three such monarchs. The problem inflicting the modern world is the result of the scattering of the three families descended from Noah's sons. The International model is no longer competent to maintain order in the world, nor within the nations. The anticipated solution is to find Jesus but to do that He says we must first locate the missing Kings of the East.

Where O where might these Kings be? Or to be less sexist and because we have Her Majesty in England, where are our other two Queens?.

Go to Ezekiel 37:15 ... and you find a clue: we know the Cross to be one of the two sticks in this chapter but what about the second stick? We refer you to the Totem Pole culture on the west coast of America, in Canada and the USA. Circa 1233 A.D. the royal families of the Black Race and the Yellow race migrated across the Pacific Ocean to this coast in order to escape from Genghis Khan who was intent on eliminating all known rivals to his authority. One rival was from the Khitan who sat on the throne of China from 900 A.D. until 1127 and then that family relocated into the interior of Asia. Together with the Tartar, or Black, or Haida monarchy, this family migrated to America where the Potlatch culture then expanded along the west coast.

The black heir presently lives in Skidegate on Haida Gwaii and the Asian heir lives in the Province of Kitsilano. We are entitled to be so recognized by Canada under her constitution.

The time therefore, is at hand and since evil accompanies the good it is urgent.

The recent incidents in Colorado establish that Infinity has the potential to destroy as well as create.

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by chandrakavi

I have heard and read by David Icke, Osho, a mystic from India, Einstein,

and many wise men that TIME DOES NOT EXIST. which is so.
CHRONOLOGICAL TIME ,the kind of time we live in, and have invented,a day with 24 hours, 1 hour with 60 minutes, a year with 365 days and so on, it is something we have all agreed on, although it is not written anywhere to make things work according to rotation so we work during the day and sleep
at night, or viceversa sometimes.

iN INDIA THE MYSTIC OSHO DIVIDES IT IN cronological time, PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME, and EXISTENCIAL TIME.

Cronological time as I understand it is the time we all live being inside the establishment, the matrix time, the clocktime ,which has no meaning, and does not inted to, it simply wants to make us utilitarian. But it is a fake.

Psychological time is a fake although a bit less of a fake. One is more into his or her emotions ,feels time going by slower or faster according how happy or unhappy things are going ,still the day has 24 hours, but feels sdifferently. It has more to do with art, beauty ,dreams. Children live in Psychological time, no hurry at all, versus adults who are always in a hurry,
therefore misunderstanding is very easy among them.

Sometimes couples have a big fight over something not realizing he wants to get somewhere on time(he is living in the Cronological time) and she is taking her time tochoose a beautiful dress(psychological time)

Existential time, or REAL time ,has to do with meaning within us,
it is not CHRONOLOGICAL , not utilitarian, not psychological, not outer,
but the inner , there is no separation of past, present and futurre. The past is merely a memory, only the present exists, and teh future as not yet come,
(one of the reasons why politicians, Illuminatis an such, only SPEAK ABOUT THE FUTURE, because if they talk about the past they messed up things, and there is no longer an illusion that things might turn right , because we KNOW they turned wrong, in the present time everything is also wrong, so what can they talk about except the illusion of the future that has not yet come?)

The mayans of Mexico had a calendar withh each day being different, with 364 plus one day out of time. Years later the Vatican with Pope Gregoius changed that to the gregorian calendar we have today, a Cronological calendar, meaningless, UTILITARIAN only.

Time has been since a long time ago an Implanted belief ,on one side, and a necessity (just like money) on the other side.
If after a war, everyone dead, all cloks telling time ,but who needs to know? If man is no longer on the planet ,time will have died with human beings also,
since it was an invention.

Most people in madhouses, are living in psychological time, one has to get out of that illusiory time. and go to the existential. And being aware that although a fake the Cronological Time and psychological time are needed
to put us in order, including the people from the Old world order.

If we understand what time is, we will have understood one of the greatest truth. Also, although it can't be changed, one of the greatest systems of control ever, based on the earth's rotation day and night.

We are happy the way past present and future have been divided,
but we only have the present moment, the rest is feelings memories dreams,
and the utilitarian (work to earn a living)

Things won't change, all"different times" will continue to be used, understanding of it is interesting.

The above post started this thread, the opinion is clear. Time does not exist.

jesusjamey, so you are saying that time does or does not exist?
which is what this thread is all about.

Jesus, What is the most important thing about the Kingdom of Heaven?
"There Shall be time no longer."-- Jesus the Christ

[toallofyou]

I would like to believe that time does not exist, that we only exist within this shimmering moment. Dwelling on the past and wasted time is a continuous source of negative emotion for me

[theabbot 7]

watching this thread developed is interesting i go to other sites and can even find a topic entitled such


THANK YOU ICKESTERs

[codie]

Originally Posted by toallofyou

I would like to believe that time does not exist, that we only exist within this shimmering moment. Dwelling on the past and wasted time is a continuous source of negative emotion for me

I know that feeling.

[heartbeatsalute]

" That is the simple secret of happiness. Whatever you are doing, don't let past move your mind; don't let future disturb you. Because the past is no more, and the future is not yet. To live in the memories, to live in the imagination, is to live in the non-existential. And when you are living in the non-existential, you are missing that which is existential. Naturally you will be miserable, because you will miss your whole life.

Once you know the secret of time, you will know the secret of all secrets."

Osho

[toallofyou]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

" That is the simple secret of happiness. Whatever you are doing, don't let past move your mind; don't let future disturb you. Because the past is no more, and the future is not yet. To live in the memories, to live in the imagination, is to live in the non-existential. And when you are living in the non-existential, you are missing that which is existential. Naturally you will be miserable, because you will miss your whole life.

Once you know the secret of time, you will know the secret of all secrets."

Osho

That's a nice quote

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by toallofyou

That's a nice quote

Glad you liked it toallofyou. What does that in your signature say? Is it Croatian? Just curious.


Låt den rätte komma in
Låt de gamla drömmarna dö


The heart has no time concept. ---OSHO

[jon galt]

its a measurement between two events, a measurement of change. now if we observe a photon travel from point a to point b, we observe a change in its position, it has traveled at the speed of light and time has passed during its journey. from the photons perspective tho there is no time difference, it is simultaneously at point a and b (time stops at light speed) if no time difference has occurred no distance has been traveled. time is an observation of movement through space and it is relative to the observers perspective.

[heartbeatsalute]

The flow of sand in an hourglass can be used to keep track of elapsed time. It also concretely represents the present as being between the past and the future.
The time is NOW.

[heartbeatsalute]

Vacation in Tibet

A man and his wife are on vacation in Tibet. While shopping in a small village, the wife asks her husband what time it was, and looking down at his wrist the man realized he had left his watch in the motel room. After a few unsuccessful attempts to find an english speaking local, the couple finally finds an elderly man sitting quietly on the street with his donkey.

“Excuse me,” the husband says, “could you tell us the time?”

“Absolutely”, replies the elderly man, and with that he reaches down and grabs the donkey’s balls. “It is 3:00″, the man exclaims.

“Thank you” replies the wife in a surprised voice. And the couple continues on their way. After doing some shopping and grabbing a bite to eat. The couple return to the old man for the time.

Again the elderly man grabs the donkey by the balls and says: “It is now 4:45.”

By this time the husband is completely amazed. “Please show me how you can tell the time simply by grabbing this donkey’s balls!”

“Certainly,” the elderly man replies motioning for the couple to come closer. “Sit here where I am,” the man begins. “Now, do you see the donkey’s balls?”

“Of course”, the man replies. “Now reach down and take them into your hand.” Hesitantly the husband does as he is instructed, after all, this could prove to be an enlightening experience. “Now, slowly lift the donkey’s balls”, he continues. Again the husband does as he is instructed.

“Now look underneath the donkeys balls, and between his two front legs.” The husband does just that.

“Now” the man says, “can you see the clock on the wall of that building over there?”

[toallofyou]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

Glad you liked it toallofyou. What does that in your signature say? Is it Croatian? Just curious.


Låt den rätte komma in
Låt de gamla drömmarna dö


The heart has no time concept. ---OSHO

It's Swedish for:

"Let the right one in
Let the old dreams die"

It's a reference to the film my avatar is from

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by toallofyou

It's Swedish for:

"Let the right one in
Let the old dreams die"

It's a reference to the film my avatar is from

Interesting toallofyou, what is the name of the film? Is it in youtube?
Thank you for the translation, now I know it is Swedish. Thanks again.

[toallofyou]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

Interesting toallofyou, what is the name of the film? Is it in youtube?
Thank you for the translation, now I know it is Swedish. Thanks again.

The film's called "Let the Right One In", to quote wiki:

Let the Right One In (Swedish: Låt den rätte komma in) is a 2008 Swedish romantic horror film directed by Tomas Alfredson. Based on the 2004 novel of the same title by John Ajvide Lindqvist, who also wrote the screenplay, the film tells the story of a bullied 12-year-old boy who develops a friendship with a vampire child in Blackeberg, a suburb of Stockholm, in the early 1980s.

I've heard some people say it's a bit slow but personally I think it's the most beautiful film ever made.

It is on Youtube but only with Spanish subtitles.

[heartbeatsalute]

Originally Posted by toallofyou

The film's called "Let the Right One In", to quote wiki:



I've heard some people say it's a bit slow but personally I think it's the most beautiful film ever made.

It is on Youtube but only with Spanish subtitles.

Great!, I'll have a look at it toallofyou!

[codie]

Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

Great!, I'll have a look at it toallofyou!

It's a good film.

[white horse]

Originally Posted by jon galt

one of the best books i ever read for the fact that he describes it in lay terms that even i can understand. he has a good skill for explaining things simply.

I agree it is a brilliant read and presents for the layman.

However, it should be entitled a "Brief History of Matter" would be a more descriptive title, he barely mentions time at all. Time is really only portrayed as a static constant in relation to mass, this book is not really a story about Time, it is a story about space.