I believe NASA DID go to the moon!

[apollo_gnomon]

Originally Posted by stelios

The two scenes are being filmed at exactly the same time.
The version from the beach buggy camera should be consistent with the version from the front.
They are clearly not consistent.

Maybe I'm missing something. What, in your "expert opinion", is "not consistent."

[stelios]

Originally Posted by ranb

How is your claim any different than a lie?

Ranb

I have made what is known as a submission.
I have put forward a photo purporting to have been taken on the Moon and a still from a video of the exact same event.
In my eyes they clearly are not a match and they should be.
There are many other anomalies too such as the lack of height of the jump, the camera angle as seen in the reflection in the visor, the dust settling back to the ground very quickly and a missing shadow where the flag is.
The flag is what i have observed to be the most obvious error it clearly is not in the same location.

If you consider my submission to be a lie then it is your prerogative to challenge it.
Unfortunately you have thus far proven yourself to be incapable of basic comprehension. So i sincerely doubt that you will come forward with any unique perspectives on the subject matter.

The photo is an obvious error one of many made by NASA only the most blindly pious and devout believers can fail to agree that there are glaring inconsistencies. The video and the photo were taken on different occasions and the set director failed to line everything up the same.

[stelios]

Originally Posted by ranb

Yeah I know.

Stelios has to decide if he is a liar or if he is stupid. Either one is not so good hahahahaha.

Ranb

My goodness, debating with you believers is like debating a group of monkeys.

[phrased eyebrow]

Originally Posted by moving finger

without bothering to check whether it had any veracity (or crediting the source, tut tut), and every landing denier going has some sort of massive blind spot about the LM docking video with Earth weather in it.

You could credit me. I'm the one who suggested you check it out. Not like you thought to do it on your own.

I have no doubt they could have been in low orbit, performing the same routines as in the gemini days. In fact, I'm on the record as believing the blue lighted interior of the Apollo 13 CM was in earth orbit.

[apollo_gnomon]

Originally Posted by stelios

My goodness, debating with you believers is like debating a group of monkeys.

Trust me. It works both ways. Read my sig quotes. Maybe you don't see why they're funny, but people who are educated find them hilarious.

[apollo_gnomon]

Originally Posted by stelios

I have made what is known as a submission.
I have put forward a photo purporting to have been taken on the Moon and a still from a video of the exact same event.
In my eyes they clearly are not a match and they should be.

You have not explicitly stated your objection. Subjective analysis of photos (especially when viewing those photos on a small screen such as smartphones) is fraught with difficulty. Perhaps you could tell us what you think is the actual problem, in 3d space, with diagrams? Or are you unable to do that while shelving tins of beans at Tesco? In that case, perhaps you should save your bold claims for a time between your corporate drone shifts when you can dedicate the time to PROPERLY analyze the images.

There are many other anomalies too such as the lack of height of the jump, the camera angle as seen in the reflection in the visor, the dust settling back to the ground very quickly

Proof the scene was filmed in vacuum . . . -.. ..- -- -... .- ... ...

and a missing shadow where the flag is.
The flag is what i have observed to be the most obvious error it clearly is not in the same location.

Use a better copy of the video. Oh, yes. Maybe we'll need to wait until you can post from somewhere other than the break room on your phone.

If you consider my submission to be a lie then it is your prerogative to challenge it.
Unfortunately you have thus far proven yourself to be incapable of basic comprehension. So i sincerely doubt that you will come forward with any unique perspectives on the subject matter.

Your "unique perspectives" have involved things like the insistence rockets need to fire to maintain orbit. So, nevermind.

The photo is an obvious error one of many made by NASA only the most blindly pious and devout believers can fail to agree that there are glaring inconsistencies. The video and the photo were taken on different occasions and the set director failed to line everything up the same.

They're lined up fine. Do a simple diagram in "paint" or something to show the lurkers how wrong I am. Seriously. You look silly with claims like this unless you present your diagrams.

[stelios]

The dust settling quickly is proof of Earth like gravity and is likely to occur in a studio environment.

[philthy53]

Originally Posted by stelios

The dust settling quickly is proof of Earth like gravity and is likely to occur in a studio environment.

In reality, it's just the opposite.

Phil

[apollo_gnomon]

Originally Posted by stelios

The dust settling quickly is proof of Earth like gravity and is likely to occur in a studio environment.

Sorry if I'm late getting back to this statement. I had to go watch the PowerPuff Girls save TownsVille (again). While doing so I observed some similarities between being a Hoax Debunker and a cartoon super hero. Like the PowerPuff Girls, we always win, in the end, but the villain never actually goes away. You always manage to come back with another hair-brained scheme.

Anyway, regarding your quoted post above, dust settling speed is a function of the force of gravity countered by the resistance of atmospheric pressure on particles, differentially significant based on the mass/surface area ratio of each particle as resisted by the atmospheric pressure on the surface area of the particle in question. Greater atmospheric pressure gives greater frictional resistance to gravitational acceleration. Likewise, lesser atmospheric pressure gives lesser frictional resistance to gravitational acceleration, differentially as a function of ratio of mass to surface area.
Given that the moon has nearly zero atmospheric pressure, the particles of "dust" flung by various mechanical forces on the moon would be equally accelerated toward the center of the mass of the moon based exclusively on the gravitational constant of the lunar surface.

In other words, in no atmosphere all particles will accelerate in falling at the same rate regardless of mass/surface area ratio. Thus, in vacuum a feather will fall at the same speed as a block of lead.

If you dispute the above, you'd better be ready to show your work. I can.

[ranb]

Originally Posted by stelios

I have put forward a photo purporting to have been taken on the Moon and a still from a video of the exact same event.

What you have done is chosen a carefully edited/degraded video to support a conclusion that you came to probably based on whatever prejudices you bring to the table.

Originally Posted by stelios

In my eyes they clearly are not a match and they should be.
There are many other anomalies too such as the lack of height of the jump, the camera angle as seen in the reflection in the visor, the dust settling back to the ground very quickly and a missing shadow where the flag is.

Of course they don't exactly match, one is a high rez photo the other is a poorly reproduced video. Expecting them to match in every way then using it to suggest that it is evidence of a hoax is foolish.

Originally Posted by stelios

The flag is what i have observed to be the most obvious error it clearly is not in the same location.

It clearly is between the two astronauts, take a look at a better/longer video clip.

Originally Posted by stelios

If you consider my submission to be a lie then it is your prerogative to challenge it.

Yeah, you are lying

Originally Posted by stelios

Unfortunately you have thus far proven yourself to be incapable of basic comprehension. So i sincerely doubt that you will come forward with any unique perspectives on the subject matter

I have to say that your perspective is unique here on this forum. You are the only one stupid enough to think anyone else is falling for the claims you make about that video clip.

Ranb

[ranb]

Originally Posted by stelios

The dust settling quickly is proof of Earth like gravity and is likely to occur in a studio environment.

Dust; Fine, dry powder consisting of tiny particles of earth or waste lying on the ground or on surfaces or carried in the air.

One of the characteristics of dust is that it tends to suspend in air, float around a bit before settling down. Or is dust behaving differently in the UK?

While dust will tend to float around in air, it settles as fast as gravel in a vacuum since there is no air resistance and gravity makes it move in a nice parabolic arc.

The dust would settle (return to the surface) at 9.8 meters per second squared if it was on Earth, and in a vacuum; 1.6 meters per second squared if on the moon. So how fast was that dust settling? If it was dust, and filmed on earth, then it would be floating around before settling, never approaching 9.8 m/s^2. HB'ers on other forums would be laughing at you if they saw your claims here, not something to be proud of. In fact I am embarrassed for you now.

Ranb

[moving finger]

Originally Posted by phrased eyebrow

You could credit me. I'm the one who suggested you check it out. Not like you thought to do it on your own.

I have no doubt they could have been in low orbit, performing the same routines as in the gemini days. In fact, I'm on the record as believing the blue lighted interior of the Apollo 13 CM was in earth orbit.

Except that they aren't in Earth orbit. CSM/LM docking was done after setting off for the moon, and the Earth is seen in the clip of that docking sequence is too small to be in low earth orbit.

Here's what you actually said:

Nice video. Astonishingly breathtaking and absolutely unreal.

Stars... really? Maybe one hoaxer can show us the weather patterns which accurately match the earth photo, while another lines up the stars (which can't be imaged from outer space, right?) using stellarium and put this issue to rest again, once and for all.

So I don't think you deserve any credit for suggesting I do it, as all you did was make a sarcastic comment about that "someone" should, and that the video was "unreal".

It is real, there are no stars in the video, and the weather patterns shown on Earth prove that it was taken when and where it was claimed to be taken.

[phrased eyebrow]

I disagree.

[apollo_gnomon]

phrased eyebrow
This message is hidden because phrased eyebrow is on your ignore list.

What???

I can't hear you over the sound of how irrelevant you are!

[truegroup]

Originally Posted by stelios

I have made what is known as a submission.

And even the other HBs around here can see how idiotic it was. Can't they??

I have put forward a photo purporting to have been taken on the Moon and a still from a video of the exact same event.

You put up a shitty animated gif not a video.

In my eyes they clearly are not a match and they should be.

Explain why the flag shadow is in the correct position, even in your shitty gif? You cannot, nor will not. Yet another ignorant claim from you, and you lack the integrity to admit it as always.

There are many other anomalies too such as the lack of height of the jump

The height of the jump? Yet you numpties claim they are on wires

Apollo 16 jump - strawman - YouTube

Apollo 16 jump - strawman - YouTube

How high can a person jump carrying 180lbs on their back, on Earth?

the camera angle as seen in the reflection in the visor

Analysis please He makes claims he cannot support, hmmm, nothing new there then.

the dust settling back to the ground very quickly

Proof of a vacuum and that you are completely clueless.

and a missing shadow where the flag is

My brain hurts again at the suggestion that shadows disappear "on Earth" - more HBollocks....

The hi-res photograph - http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/AS16-113-18339HR.jpg

A little clip with nice easy arrows to highlight it....

The flag is what i have observed to be the most obvious error it clearly is not in the same location.

Sure it is. King Kanute-stelios, that's not a wave, I'm not wet - hopeless, pathetic denial, in the face of obvious clear proof.

If you consider my submission to be a lie then it is your prerogative to challenge it.

The hope that you would have the integrity to concede your duff errors is clearly a vain one. I don't think it was a lie, I really think you are that clueless.

Unfortunately you have thus far proven yourself to be incapable of basic comprehension. So i sincerely doubt that you will come forward with any unique perspectives on the subject matter.

You are none too smart stelios, "unique perspectives" being the simple ability and inclination to view better resolution videos and look at those big pictures without bias? Yeah, I can see why you have a problem with that.

The photo is an obvious error one of many made by NASA only the most blindly pious and devout believers can fail to agree that there are glaring inconsistencies. The video and the photo were taken on different occasions and the set director failed to line everything up the same.

This is a perfect example of how somebody with ignorance, inability to do basic checks, stubborn when shown to be wrong, simply re-asserts the same bullshit. The classic HB.

[moving finger]

Right let's put this jump bs to bed once and for all.

Here's a slightly longer, still poor quality clip of the jump sequence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efzYblYVUFk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efzYblYVUFk&feature=related

Let's have a look at the sequence of events.

Here's the astronaut photographer heading to his chosen spot:



Where is he in relation to the flag? His shadow has just passed over that of the flag, therefore he is moving past it.

Five seconds later he has moved further away from the LRV camera:



Either the flag is really really really tall, or he is much further away from it now. Again, look at where his shadow is in relation to the flag's.

A few seconds later this happens:



He's nearly in position, but what's that crossing his body? Why, it's the flagpole, clearly he is not level with it and it is not behind him - it is in front of him.

And say cheese:



And finally the astronauts move towards each other:



At which point the flagpole is clearly in front of him - not level, not behind.

All from one continuous piece of footage, not a fragment taken out of context and deliberately misinterpreted.

And as one final thing, here is a screenshot from the extras of the DVD "Shadow of the Moon", which has some superb footage in it.



If you can't see the entirety of the flagpole there, you are wilfully blind.

[truegroup]

This is the best footage I have seen of the jump, it comes from Dwight Steven-Boniecki - he uploaded it the apollohoax.net last year during a debate - I uploaded it to youtube. It is a video copy of the TV transmission with timestamps...

Apollo 16 jump - more original footage - YouTube

Apollo 16 jump - more original footage - YouTube

The flagpole is more visible and clearly positioned where its shadow starts.

This one is a bit grainy, but strangely this helps to see the flagpole VERY clearly NOT where stelios and his useless gif says it is

Apollo 16 crew salutes the flag (Moon Jump) - YouTube

Apollo 16 crew salutes the flag (Moon Jump) - YouTube

[thirdwave]

Still trying to convince people of NASA and their bullshit I see

You will need to go on for z very long time as the more Flying Saucer and ET activity that mounts over the coming years, the bullshit Apollo thing will fold on its own..

As for the jumping, Kubrick was able to mimic the no gravity vacuum effect using wires and slow motion .. very easy to do.

[truegroup]

Originally Posted by thirdwave

You will need to go on for z very long time as the more Flying Saucer and ET activity that mounts over the coming years, the bullshit Apollo thing will fold on its own..

Errr no. No it won't. Fruitcakery will always entrap the gullible, scientific provenance and 100% internal and external consistency will always prevail.

As for the jumping, Kubrick was able to mimic the no gravity vacuum effect using wires and slow motion .. very easy to do.

Utter bullshit. Show us the example of this. Go on, in your own time

p.s. There isn't "no gravity" on the Moon - go and get a clue - it is 1.63m s^2

Kubrick didn't even bother trying to mimic Lunar gravity in his film, they walked normally. There were some weightless scenes that were very simplistic, but always from one fixed direction.

[thirdwave]

Im glad you posted that video of the "jump" as it shows some good footage where you can see the wire supporting him...

Yes I know, I know there is lots of glitches in the footage, which is very convenient..

What I like about this vid is that the glitch comes from the same spot on his back pack..

while there are glitches in other places on the footage where people state that the glitches above their back packs are just more of the same, I think it was also the wires causing the blurs...