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lighthouse · 20-06-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

intense? yeah i know all about that word. so much that i learned to not rely on others to give me that feeling.

One song came to my thoughts right now..
There is a great Croatian singer, and his last album is like a masterpiece
of great music and lyrics. He has this song, starting with text Sometimes I walk home and I'm little drunk..

The main verse is I will do anything for just one drop of pure life.
That is the real thirst he is talking about, and I totally get it.
Just one drop of life.

I feel like the world is in black and white, and then, somehow, with someone,
is in color. Full color HD. It's not just about feelings, and compatibility,
and so on. Black and white, and color.
I still don't know if that is a curse or a blessing.
Either way, I have to live with that.

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Originally Posted by lonestar

but i steamed them in lots of beer and spice and so they weren't feeling much pain. besides i rarely eat meat anymore and some would say that those sea critters that we were eating are nothing but just big cockroaches with claws that live on the seafloor.

I am a vegetarian. I used to eat meat, but now, due to some circumstances it is literally impossible for me to eat it.
I simply can't.

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Originally Posted by lonestar

very late that night i found myself all alone sitting on the sea wall watching the white wave caps for i dont know how long. every once in a while a big wave would come along and hit the wall and cover me with sea water. it was damn near a religious experience.

but that might have been from too much consumption of strange sea creatures, sun, beer, and weed. lol

Sea has something to it. Definitely.
I love everything about it, diving, swimming, jumping in it (you know with singing the Baywatch theme while running to throw myself in).

Smelling it, looking at it..

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Originally Posted by lonestar

and i agreed with all that sex vid except the for last part where he talks about holding back and not having an orgasm . that sounds like it could be unhealthy. i understand holding back and waiting awhile.

my wife makes me do that all the time... lol

but fyi lighthouse youre not going to find to many guys out there that will agree to do that.

I don't find that part resonating with me either.
I know where he is coming from, like trying to take the selfishness out of the sex.
Personally, I don't like this whole orgasm histeria.
Next thing you know Shakespeare will be quoted with to come or not to come, that is the question...

Making love, having sex is a pretty much different story every time.
At least for me. So why should I try to make it to some same script?
I don't get it.
And to be so focused on not having an orgasm seems a lot of trouble,
and useless worry.
Me first wouldn't like if my partner was doing that.

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Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

Hey same here, I always pictured lighthouse like that, and also as a Croatian sexy Mr. Ed with glasses, in tune with the Universe.

To you and Lonestar both.

You two I guess, are both cowboys, Texas and one from down under.

lonestar · 20-06-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lighthouse

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I am a vegetarian. I used to eat meat, but now, due to some circumstances it is literally impossible for me to eat it.
I simply can't.

i dont even think about meat anymore which in my case is a miracle, but someone opened up a box of fried chicken the other day right next to me and just the smell of it almost made me puke. lol

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Originally Posted by lighthouse

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To you and Lonestar both.

You two I guess, are both cowboys, Texas and one from down under.

i remember as a kid watching old reruns of a show called the mod squad.

sometimes i think of us being like the three of them. lol

Mod Squad intro - YouTube

man i just looked up peggy lipton to see what see looked like now, and shes freaking HOT for being in her sixties!

lighthouse · 20-06-2012, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

i dont even think about meat anymore which in my case is a miracle, but someone opened up a box of fried chicken the other day right next to me and just the smell of it almost made me puke. lol

Exactly. I just can't.
I could probably digest plutonium coated with cream cheese easier than meat.
Again, it's vibrational...

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Originally Posted by lonestar

i remember as a kid watching old reruns of a show called the mod squad.

sometimes i think of us being like the three of them. lol

Me likes it.

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 06:29 PM

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A young cowboy, in the wild west for the first time, finds himself in a town without women. At the local saloon, he asks the other cowboys how they manage without women, and they tell him to find a sheep or a cow for a companion.

A few days later, the young man walks in with a pig. He sits her down at a table and then walks over to the bar and says, "i will have a large whiskey for myself and a root beer for the young lady."

the bartender reaches below the bar and brings out his shotgun. He points it at the young man, who starts to back away.
"i don't understand," he says. "you told me i could find a companion."
"i know," replies the bartender, taking aim.

"then why are you pointing that gun at me?" cries the cowboy.

"we told you to find a companion," says the bartender, "but not the sheriff's wife."

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Once a british lady was approached by a german man. As he was quite taken by her beauty, he marched over to her and shouted, "i love you!"
she said, "if you really love me, jump off the cliff!"
before he could think he kissed her hand and jumped.
A short time later the british lady was approached by an italian. He swaggered up to her and passionately whispered in her ear, "amore mio!"
she responded by whispering in his ear, "if you really love me, jump off the cliff."
coming up for air between kisses he answered, "if you really love me, you must jump with me!" impressed with his wit, she conceded to make love with him.
Still a short while later the british lady was approached by a british man. He made her acquaintance and invited her for tea. After several hours of polite conversation, he said, with some reserve, "i love you."
she answered, "if you really love me, jump off the cliff."
to which he gallantly replied, "ladies first!"

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 06:43 PM

Everybody takes himself and others seriously. That's the way of the ego to exist. Start being a little more playful and you will see ego evaporating. Take life non seriously, as a joke -- yes, as a cosmic joke. Laugh a little more. Laughter is far more significant than prayer. Prayer may not destroy your ego; on the contrary, it may make it holy, pious, but laughter certainly destroys your ego. When you are really in a state of laughter, have you observed? -- the ego disappears for a moment. You are again a child, giggling. Again you have forgotten that you are special. You are no longer serious; for a moment you have removed your fixation.

That's why I love jokes -- they are poison to your ego! You would like me to talk about serious things: astral planes and how many bodies men have, seven or nine, and how many chakras. And every day there are questions -- esoteric, occult. These are the serious people. They have fallen in a wrong company! I am not serious at all. I don't laugh with you because that is part of telling a joke: the person who tells it has to be very serious, he cannot laugh with you. All my laughter I have to do alone.

But my approach towards life is utterly nonserious, playful, because in my experience this is how the ego disappears. Watch when you laugh: where is the ego? Suddenly you have melted, suddenly you are liquid, no more solid, but flowing. You are not old, experienced, knowledgeable. Listen to this joke and try to find out whether the ego remains or not

---OSHO---

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 06:48 PM

Question: Osho, Many of your Jokes i don't get. What to do?

Osho: Anand Magdalena, You must be too serious. When I say that I am very serious about my jokes I am joking! You should not listen to me at all! Be alert, be watchful. I am not a man to be relied upon always. There is no need to get the joke -- the joke will get you! You simply relax -- you simply relax!

You are trying to find some significance, some hidden meaning, something esoteric in it. It is simply a joke! But that's how we have been conditioned for centuries: to take everything seriously. I want to destroy your seriousness. That's why I have to search for all these stupid jokes, just to destroy your seriousness!

In fact, it is very troublesome for me. It will be easier for me not to tell you any jokes, but then you will become very very serious. Even telling you these jokes you go on clinging with your seriousness. You are trying to find some meaning.

Life has no meaning. Rejoice! It has no meaning. Dance, sing, enjoy! It has no meaning. You need not be serious. It is a cosmic joke! What is there to get? But the achieving mind is always trying to get something, even out of a joke. Can't you relax at all? Can't you simply listen and laugh?

Do you have to understand it and its significance and its esoteric meaning then you will laugh? By that time the joke is finished -- you have missed the point. The point is simply to relax; but you will be very serious about it, you must be.

I have heard... Jesus, I have lost it again! I have not heard anything, not a word! Do you see? Even without a joke people are getting it! So if you want to get it you get it, joke or no joke! I have not heard. I have not told you, and you have got it!
It is a question of relaxing!

Source: from book "Guida Spirituale, Chapter 15" by Osho

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 07:02 PM

Midas, King
c. 800 BCE
semi-legendary King of Phrygia, part of ancient Greece.

myth of Midas' "golden touch" exists--everything he
touched turned to gold.

That’s why in the East we know only one sin, and that is
ignorance. All else is just a by-product. When I speak
about love, I speak about that love where the lover is not.

And if your love is bringing you misery, know well it is not
love. It is your ego that brings the misery. Ego poisons
everything, whatsoever you touch. It is just like King
Midas: whatsoever he touches becomes gold. Ego is just
like King Midas – whatsoever it touches becomes poison.

And you know in what difficulties and trouble Midas fell!

Things were turning into gold, and even then he became
miserable, as miserable as any man has ever been on
this earth.

He touched his daughter whom he loved, and
she became gold. He touched his wife and she became
gold. He would touch the food and the food would become
gold. He couldn’t drink, he couldn’t eat, he couldn’t sleep,
he couldn’t love, he couldn’t move. His own relatives
escaped. Servants would stand far away, because if they
came near and by chance he touched, they would be
gold. King Midas must have gone absolutely crazy...

--Osho
Yoga: The Mystery Beyond Mind, ch. 2

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 07:21 PM

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And if your love is bringing you misery, know well it is not
love. It is your ego that brings the misery. Ego poisons
everything, whatsoever you touch. It is just like King
Midas: whatsoever he touches becomes gold. Ego is just
like King Midas – whatsoever it touches becomes poison.

---OSHO---

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 09:40 PM

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Question 1

OSHO, WHEN ONE EXPERIENCES DIFFERENT FORMS OF LIGHT AND COLOURS IN
MEDITATION – SUCH AS RED, YELLOW, BLUE, OCHRE, ETC. –
HOW CAN ONE KNOW TO WHICH LAYERS OF BEING THEY BELONG? IS THERE ANY
GRADUAL SEQUENCE OF COLOUR AND LIGHT EXPERIENCES BEFORE REACHING THE
ULTIMATE LIGHT EXPERIENCE?

LIGHT itself is colourless. All colours belong to light, but light is not a colour. Light is just the absence
of colors. Light is white; white is not a color. When light is divided, analyzed or passed through a
prism, then it is divided into seven colors.

Mind also works as a prism – an inner prism. The outer light, if passed through a prism, is divided
into seven colors; the inner light, if passed through mind, is divided into seven colors. So the
experience of colors in the inward journey means that you are still in mind. The experience of light
is beyond mind, but the experience of colors is within mind. So if you are still seeing colors, then
you are still within mind. The mind has not been transcended.

So the first thing to remember is that the experience of colors is within mind, because mind works
as a prism through which the inner light is divided. So first one begins to experience colors; then
colors dissolve and only light remains.

Light is white; white is not a color. When all the colors are one, white is created. When all the colors
are one, then you feel white. When all the colors are there undivided, then you experience white.
When no color is there, then you experience black. Black and white are both not colors. When no
color is present, then there is black. When all colors are present, undivided, then there is white. All
the colors are just divided light.

If you are feeling colors inside, then one thing: you are within mind. So the experience of colors is
mental; it is not spiritual. The experience of light is spiritual, but not of colors – because when mind
is no more you cannot experience colors. Then only light is experienced.
Secondly, there is no fixed sequence of colors. There cannot be because each mind differs. But the
experience of light is exactly the same. Buddha experiencing light or Jesus experiencing light the
experience is the same. It cannot be otherwise because that which creates differences is no more.
Mind creates differences.

We are here – we are different because of our minds. If mind is no more, then the factor which
divides, which differentiates, is not there. So the experience of light is similar, but the experiences of
colors are different and the sequence differs. That’s why, in each religion, a different sequence has
been given. Some believe that this color comes first and that comes in the end; others believe quite
differently. That difference is really the difference of minds. For example, a person who is fearful,
deeply rooted in fear, will experience yellow as the first color. The first color coming in will be yellow,
because yellow is the color of death – not only symbolically, but actually also.

If you take three bottles – one red, one yellow, one just white, plain white – and just put into these
three bottles the same water, the yellow bottle will deteriorate first. Then the others will deteriorate.
The red bottle of water will deteriorate in the end, last. Yellow is a death color. That’s why Buddha
chose yellow as the robe for his bhikkus – because Buddha says that to die from this existence
absolutely is Nirvana. So yellow was chosen as a death color.

Hindus have chosen ochre, a shade of red, as the color for their sannyasins, because red or ochre
is the color of life – just the opposite of yellow. It helps you to be more alive, more radiant. It creates
more energy – not only symbolically, but actually, physically, chemically. So a person who is very
energetic, alive, deeply rooted in the love of life, will experience red as the first color, because his
mind is more open to red. A fear-oriented person is more open to yellow, so the sequence will differ.
A very silent person, one who is very still, will experience blue as the first. So it will depend.
There is no fixed sequence because there is no fixed sequence of your mind. Each mind differs in
orientation in tendencies, in structure, in character. Each mind differs! Because of this difference the
sequence will be different. But one thing is certain: each color has a fixed meaning. The sequence
is not fixed, it cannot be, but the meaning of the color is fixed.

For example, yellow is a death color. So whenever it happens first, it means you are fear-oriented –
that your mind’s first opening is for fear. So wherever you move, the first thing you will notice will be
fear, or the first reaction of your mind in any new situation will be fear. Whenever something strange
is there, the first response will be fear-filled. If red is the first color in your inner journey, then you are
more rooted in the love of life, and your reactions will be different. You will feel more alive, and your
reactions will be more life affirmative.

A person whose first experience is yellow will always interpret everything in terms of death, and a
person whose first experience is red will always interpret his experiences in terms of life. Even if
someone is just dying, he will begin to think that he must be reborn somewhere else. Even in death
he will interpret rebirth. But for the person whose first experience is yellow, even if someone is born
he will begin to think that he is going to die some day. These will be the attitudes. So a red-oriented
person can be happy even. in death, but a yellow-oriented person cannot be happy even in birth.
He will be negative. Fear is a negative emotion. Everywhere he will find something to be sad and
negative about.

For example, I said that a very silent person will feel blue, but this means a silent person who is
inactive at the same time. A silent person who is active at the same time will feel green as the first
experience. Mohammed chose green as the color for his fakirs. Islam has green as the symbolic
color. That is the color of their flag. Green is both – silent, still, but also active. Blue is just silent and
inactive. So a person like Lao Tzu will first begin to feel blue; a person like Mohammed will begin to
feel green first. So the symbolic system of colors is a fixed thing, but the sequence is not fixed.
Another thing has to be noted, and that is that seven colors are pure colors. But you can mix two,
you can mix three, and a new color comes out. So it may be that you never experience pure color
in the beginning. You may experience three colors, their combination, or two colors or four colors.
Then again it depends on your mind. If you have a very confused mind, then your confusion will be
shown in the colors.

Now they have evolved in the West a color test in psychology. and it has been proving very
meaningful. Just giving you many colors and allowing you to choose the first preference, then the
second, then the third, then the fourth, decides much, shows much. If you are sincere and honest,
then it shows much about your mind, because you cannot choose without any inner cause. If you
choose yellow first, the logic of it is that then red will be the last. It has its own logic. If death is your
first choice, then life is going to be your last, you will put red as the last. And one who chooses red
first will automatically choose yellow as the last. The sequence will also show the structure of the
mind.

But once, twice, thrice – the cards are given to you again and again – and the strange thing is that
the first time you choose yellow, your first preference, then the second time you are given the same
cards but you don’t choose yellow as your first preference. The third time you choose something
else, and the whole sequence changes. So the cards are given seven times. If a person goes on
choosing yellow as the first color continuously for seven times, then it shows a very fixed mind – very
much fixed – a fixation. This man is constantly rooted in fear. He must be living in many phobias,
because everything will take the shape of fear. But if he is given the cards another seven times and
now he changes – once blue and once green and once something else – then there is a double
sequence. One sequence in one series and another sequence in the second series – that also
shows much. In the second series, if he never repeats one color as his first preference, that shows
he is very fluctuating and nothing can be decisively said about him. He will be unpredictable. And
the sequence also changes because the mind is changing constantly.

Recently, because of LSD, marijuana and other drugs, many things have come up from the
unconscious mind. When Aldous Huxley told about his experiences with LSD, he talked as if he
had entered heaven. Everything was beautiful, utopian, colorful, poetic. Nothing was bad in it.
There was nothing like a nightmare – nothing of fear or death. Everything was alive, abundantly
alive, rich. But when Zaehner took it, he entered hell. With the same LSD he entered hell, and it
was a long nightmare – horrorfilled,

Both misinterpreted their experiences. Aldous Huxley thought that this was a quality of LSD and
that because of LSD this heaven experience had come up. Zaehner interpreted quite diametrically
opposite from Huxley and he said, ”It is just a nightmare, a deep horror. One must not go into it –
it can create madness.” But the interpretation is on the same lines: he also thought that it was LSD
which had created this experience.

The reality is different. It was LSD working only as a catalytic agent. LSD cannot create heaven,
cannot create hell. LSD can only open you, and whatsoever is in you is projected. So if Zaehner’s
experience is absolutely colorless it is because of Zaehner’s mind, and if Huxley’s experience is
colorful it is because of Huxley’s mind. LSD can only give you a glimpse into your own mind. It can
open your own deeper layers. So if you have a suppressed unconscious inside, then you may enter
hell; or if you have nothing suppressed, if you have a relaxed unconscious, a natural one, then you
may enter heaven – but that will depend on what type of mind you have. The same happens when
one goes deep into an inner journey: whatsoever you encounter is your own mind. Remember this
– whatsoever you encounter, it is your own mind.

The color sequence is also your own mind’s sequence, but one has to go beyond colors. Whatsoever
the sequence, one has to go beyond colors. So one must continuously remember that colors are
mental. They cannot exist without mind – the mind working as a prism. When you go beyond mind,
there is light – colorless, absolutely white. And when this whiteness begins to be there, only then
have you gone beyond mind.

Jains have chosen white as the color for their monks and for their nuns, and the choice is meaningful.
As Buddhists have chosen yellow and Hindus ochre, Jains have chosen white, because they say
only when white begins does spirituality really begin. Mohammed has chosen green because he
says if silence is dead, then it is meaningless. Silence must be active, it must participate in the
world, so a saint must also be a soldier. He has chosen green. All colors are meaningful.

There is a Sufi sect which uses black – black clothes for their fakirs. Black is also very, very
meaningful. It shows absence of color, everything absent. It is just the contrary of white. Sufis
say that unless we become totally absent, the God cannot be present to us. So one must be like
black – absolutely absent, a nonentity, a nonbeing, just a nothingness. They have chosen black.
Colors are meaningful. So with whatsoever you choose you show much. Even your clothes indicate
much. Nothing is just accidental. If you have chosen a particular color for your clothes, it is not
accidental. You may not be aware why you have chosen it, but science is aware – and it shows
much. Your clothes show much because they belong to your mind, and your mind chooses. You
cannot choose without your mind having certain leanings, certain tendencies.

So the sequence will be different, but all sequences and all colors belong to your mind. Don’t be
bothered much about them. Whatsoever color is felt, just go on passing it; don’t stick to it. Sticking
to it is the natural tendency. If some beautiful color is there, one becomes stuck to it – don’t. Move!
Remember that colors belong to mind. And if some color is fearful, one goes back so that it is not
felt. That too is not good, because if you go back no transformation is possible. Pass through it!
Don’t go back. It is your mind: pass through it! Even if a color is fearful, even if ugly, even if chaotic
or beautiful or harmonious, whatsoever, go through it.

You must reach a point where colors are not, but only light remains. That entry into light is spiritual.
Everything before that is mental.

THE ULTIMATE ALCHEMY, VOL.1, OSHO---

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 09:51 PM

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So the sequence will be different, but all sequences and all colors belong to your mind. Don’t be bothered much about them. Whatsoever color is felt, just go on passing it; don’t stick to it. Sticking to it is the natural tendency. If some beautiful color is there, one becomes stuck to it – don’t. Move!

Remember that colors belong to mind. And if some color is fearful, one goes back so that it is not felt. That too is not good, because if you go back no transformation is possible. Pass through it!

Don’t go back. It is your mind: pass through it! Even if a color is fearful, even if ugly, even if chaotic or beautiful or harmonious, whatsoever, go through it.

You must reach a point where colors are not, but only light remains. That entry into light is spiritual.

Everything before that is mental.

---OSHO---

heartbeatsalute · 20-06-2012, 10:39 PM

Beloved Osho, What is the secret of a Joke?

Osho: The sudden unexpected turn, that is the secret of a joke -- the revelation. You are expecting something and it doesn't happen; what happens is so totally absurd and yet has a logic of its own... it is ridiculous and yet not illogical. That's what suddenly becomes a laughter in you. You see the ridiculousness of it, and also the logic of it. It is unexpected -- if it is expected, then it doesn't bring laughter to you. If you know the joke then it doesn't bring laughter to you, because now you know, everything is expected.

Two insects were living in a cemetery. One said to the other: "Want to make love in dead Ernest tonight?"
Now, poor dead Ernest...!

An Englishman on his first trip to America went to one of those stand-up comic nightclubs for the first time. After he had had a couple of drinks, the lights dimmed and Henny Youngman stepped into the spotlight and greeted the crowd with his famous trademark gag: "Take my wife... please."

The crowd belly-laughed. The Englishman was impressed. "By Jove," he said to himself, "I must remember that and try it on the chaps back home."

Now, when somebody says, "Take my wife," you are expecting he will say, "for example." "Take my wife, for example." But he is saying "Take my wife," and then the silence, the little pause..."please." That is unexpected. Some weeks later, back in London, he stepped to the microphone at a meeting of his club and, with great confidence, snapped out: "Consider my wife. Please."

Now the whole thing is lost. Just a single word makes it a beauty. The secret of the joke is that it brings you to a point where you are expecting, expecting, expecting that this is going to happen; then it never happens. And what happens is so sudden... and because you were expecting something you were coming to a tension, and then suddenly something else happens, and the tension has come to such a climax that it explodes. You are all laughter. It is a tremendous release, it is great meditation.

If you can laugh totally, it will give you a moment of no-time, no-mind. Mind lives logically with expectations, laughter is something that comes from the beyond. Mind is always guessing what is going to happen, groping. And something happens which is absolutely contrary to its expectations: it simply stops for a moment. And that is the moment when the mind stops, when laughter comes from your belly, a belly laugh. Your whole body goes into a spasm, it is orgasmic. A good laugh is tremendously meditative.

An English gentleman went to his surgeon saying, "Old chap, I have this damned desire to be an Irishman. Can you perform some operation to make me one?"
"Well," replied the surgeon, "it is a fairly risky business, you know. We have to remove ninety percent of your brain." "Do it," replied the Englishman.

When he awoke from the operation he found his bed surrounded by long-faced doctors. His surgeon stepped forward, saying, "Terribly sorry, old chap, but during the operation the old scalpel slipped and we accidentally removed one hundred percent of your brain!"
"Ah, na fuckin' worries mate!"

---OSHO---

lonestar · 21-06-2012, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

There are two ways to indicate a thing. One is direct, positive; another is indirect, negative. Themore sublime a phenomenon, the more deep a thing is, you cannot indicate it positively, you cannot figure it out. You cannot say, ”This is.” No, that’s not possible. How can you say what love is? How
can you say what goodness is? How can you say what God is? If you say something positive, you will feel that much has remained unexpressed, and your word has given a limitation. Osho

thats good stuff. and i know truths like this get said in a million dif ways but i guess its something you have to keep hearing over and over and thats why we're bullshiting on this osho thread.

maybe thats why the great teachers are always preaching that you have to have discipline.

to be able to see that which cant be explained in words.

heartbeatsalute · 21-06-2012, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

thats good stuff. and i know truths like this get said in a million dif ways but i guess its something you have to keep hearing over and over and thats why we're bullshiting on this osho thread.

maybe thats why the great teachers are always preaching that you have to have discipline.

to be able to see that which cant be explained in words.

Good Osho quote lonestar

right, to be in silence in no-mind is the way.

heartbeatsalute · 21-06-2012, 03:01 AM

THE MIND

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This is the situation of your head: I see cycle-handles and pedals and strange things that you have gathered from everywhere. Such a small head...and no space to live in! And that rubbish goes on moving in your head; your head goes on spinning and weaving - it keeps you occupied.

Just think what kind of thoughts go on inside your mind. One day just sit, close your doors, and write down for half an hour whatsoever is passing in your mind, and you will understand what I mean and you will be surprised what goes on inside your mind. It remains in the background, it is constantly there, it surrounds you like a cloud. With this cloud you cannot know reality; you cannot attain to spiritual perception.

This cloud has to be dropped. And it is just with your decision to drop it that it will disappear. You are clinging to it - the cloud is not interested in you, remember it.

Osho The Sun Rises in the Evening Chapter 9
Commentary:

This is what happens when we forget that the mind is meant to be a servant, and start to allow it to run our lives. The head is filled with mechanisms, the mouth is ranting and raving, and the whole surrounding atmosphere is being polluted by this factory of arguments and opinions.

"But wait," you say. "The mind is what makes us human, it's the source of all progress, all great truths." If you believe that, try an experiment: go into your room, shut the door, turn on a tape recorder, and give yourself total permission to say whatever is "on your mind." If you really allow it to all come out, without any censorship or editing, you'll be amazed at the amount of rubbish that comes spewing forth.

The Page of Clouds is telling you that somebody, somewhere, is stuck in a "head trip." Take a look and make sure it isn't you.

---OSHO---

heartbeatsalute · 21-06-2012, 03:58 AM

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To you and Lonestar both.

You two I guess, are both cowboys, Texas and one from down under.

Only when we play Poker with our dog and horse.
The rest of the time we meditate with Mr. Ed.

Blessings to you lighthouse.

lighthouse · 21-06-2012, 01:12 PM

First, on the jokes...

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Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

Everybody takes himself and others seriously. That's the way of the ego to exist. Start being a little more playful and you will see ego evaporating. Take life non seriously, as a joke -- yes, as a cosmic joke. Laugh a little more. Laughter is far more significant than prayer. Prayer may not destroy your ego; on the contrary, it may make it holy, pious, but laughter certainly destroys your ego.

Suddenly you have melted, suddenly you are liquid, no more solid, but flowing. You are not old, experienced, knowledgeable. Listen to this joke and try to find out whether the ego remains or not

---OSHO---

I love that feeling so much. Meltdown...

The ego is drawn with lines in the sand,
that dissapear when the wind of freedom blows...

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The rest of the time we meditate with Mr. Ed.

Blessings to you lighthouse.

One from Croatia, island of Krk. For meditation.

lonestar · 21-06-2012, 01:33 PM

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lonestar · 21-06-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by heartbeatsalute

You must reach a point where colors are not, but only light remains. That entry into light is spiritual.
Everything before that is mental.

i keep forgetting that there really are no colors. so is he saying i have to get to the point of being color blind?

got any tips?

and there could be something to this. like there is an energy behind every thought, and a positive energy creates a dif outcome than a negative energy. what if we could see that every stream of light coming into our eyes and mind as a positive energy. i mean the positive spirit is all around us we just got to figure out how to tap into it (streamline) and see how much spiritual energies we can absorb.

man im getting way out there. lol

lighthouse · 21-06-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lonestar

like there is an energy behind every thought, and a positive energy creates a dif outcome than a negative energy.

After all I've been through I can say just this:
if there is no fear, nothing is "negative".

Fear comes from the need to protect the Ego.
If I surrender to life and death equally, there is no fear.

What is there to be lost or taken away?
Eternity can't be harmed, truth can't be tainted or split into pieces.

heartbeatsalute · 21-06-2012, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by lighthouse

First, on the jokes...

I love that feeling so much. Meltdown...

The ego is drawn with lines in the sand,
that dissapear when the wind of freedom blows...

One from Croatia, island of Krk. For meditation.

Beautiful picture of Croatia lighthouse!

20-06-2012, 06:43 PM	#2125
heartbeatsalute Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 10,202	Everybody takes himself and others seriously. That's the way of the ego to exist. Start being a little more playful and you will see ego evaporating. Take life non seriously, as a joke -- yes, as a cosmic joke. Laugh a little more. Laughter is far more significant than prayer. Prayer may not destroy your ego; on the contrary, it may make it holy, pious, but laughter certainly destroys your ego. When you are really in a state of laughter, have you observed? -- the ego disappears for a moment. You are again a child, giggling. Again you have forgotten that you are special. You are no longer serious; for a moment you have removed your fixation. That's why I love jokes -- they are poison to your ego! You would like me to talk about serious things: astral planes and how many bodies men have, seven or nine, and how many chakras. And every day there are questions -- esoteric, occult. These are the serious people. They have fallen in a wrong company! I am not serious at all. I don't laugh with you because that is part of telling a joke: the person who tells it has to be very serious, he cannot laugh with you. All my laughter I have to do alone. But my approach towards life is utterly nonserious, playful, because in my experience this is how the ego disappears. Watch when you laugh: where is the ego? Suddenly you have melted, suddenly you are liquid, no more solid, but flowing. You are not old, experienced, knowledgeable. Listen to this joke and try to find out whether the ego remains or not ---OSHO--- __________________ The belief that society exists has sabotaged every effort to change mankind. It is the reason why revolutions have failed. It is about a totally different revolution: the revolution in the heart of the individual.

20-06-2012, 06:48 PM	#2126
heartbeatsalute Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 10,202	Question: Osho, Many of your Jokes i don't get. What to do? Osho: Anand Magdalena, You must be too serious. When I say that I am very serious about my jokes I am joking! You should not listen to me at all! Be alert, be watchful. I am not a man to be relied upon always. There is no need to get the joke -- the joke will get you! You simply relax -- you simply relax! You are trying to find some significance, some hidden meaning, something esoteric in it. It is simply a joke! But that's how we have been conditioned for centuries: to take everything seriously. I want to destroy your seriousness. That's why I have to search for all these stupid jokes, just to destroy your seriousness! In fact, it is very troublesome for me. It will be easier for me not to tell you any jokes, but then you will become very very serious. Even telling you these jokes you go on clinging with your seriousness. You are trying to find some meaning. Life has no meaning. Rejoice! It has no meaning. Dance, sing, enjoy! It has no meaning. You need not be serious. It is a cosmic joke! What is there to get? But the achieving mind is always trying to get something, even out of a joke. Can't you relax at all? Can't you simply listen and laugh? Do you have to understand it and its significance and its esoteric meaning then you will laugh? By that time the joke is finished -- you have missed the point. The point is simply to relax; but you will be very serious about it, you must be. I have heard... Jesus, I have lost it again! I have not heard anything, not a word! Do you see? Even without a joke people are getting it! So if you want to get it you get it, joke or no joke! I have not heard. I have not told you, and you have got it! It is a question of relaxing! Source: from book "Guida Spirituale, Chapter 15" by Osho __________________ The belief that society exists has sabotaged every effort to change mankind. It is the reason why revolutions have failed. It is about a totally different revolution: the revolution in the heart of the individual.

20-06-2012, 07:02 PM	#2127
heartbeatsalute Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 10,202	Midas, King c. 800 BCE semi-legendary King of Phrygia, part of ancient Greece. myth of Midas' "golden touch" exists--everything he touched turned to gold. That’s why in the East we know only one sin, and that is ignorance. All else is just a by-product. When I speak about love, I speak about that love where the lover is not. And if your love is bringing you misery, know well it is not love. It is your ego that brings the misery. Ego poisons everything, whatsoever you touch. It is just like King Midas: whatsoever he touches becomes gold. Ego is just like King Midas – whatsoever it touches becomes poison. And you know in what difficulties and trouble Midas fell! Things were turning into gold, and even then he became miserable, as miserable as any man has ever been on this earth. He touched his daughter whom he loved, and she became gold. He touched his wife and she became gold. He would touch the food and the food would become gold. He couldn’t drink, he couldn’t eat, he couldn’t sleep, he couldn’t love, he couldn’t move. His own relatives escaped. Servants would stand far away, because if they came near and by chance he touched, they would be gold. King Midas must have gone absolutely crazy... --Osho Yoga: The Mystery Beyond Mind, ch. 2 __________________ The belief that society exists has sabotaged every effort to change mankind. It is the reason why revolutions have failed. It is about a totally different revolution: the revolution in the heart of the individual. Last edited by heartbeatsalute; 20-06-2012 at 07:03 PM.

20-06-2012, 09:40 PM	#2129
heartbeatsalute Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 10,202	http://www.osho.com/online-library-b...4ae2f-cf5.aspx You are responsible 26 February 1972 am in Question 1 OSHO, WHEN ONE EXPERIENCES DIFFERENT FORMS OF LIGHT AND COLOURS IN MEDITATION – SUCH AS RED, YELLOW, BLUE, OCHRE, ETC. – HOW CAN ONE KNOW TO WHICH LAYERS OF BEING THEY BELONG? IS THERE ANY GRADUAL SEQUENCE OF COLOUR AND LIGHT EXPERIENCES BEFORE REACHING THE ULTIMATE LIGHT EXPERIENCE? LIGHT itself is colourless. All colours belong to light, but light is not a colour. Light is just the absence of colors. Light is white; white is not a color. When light is divided, analyzed or passed through a prism, then it is divided into seven colors. Mind also works as a prism – an inner prism. The outer light, if passed through a prism, is divided into seven colors; the inner light, if passed through mind, is divided into seven colors. So the experience of colors in the inward journey means that you are still in mind. The experience of light is beyond mind, but the experience of colors is within mind. So if you are still seeing colors, then you are still within mind. The mind has not been transcended. So the first thing to remember is that the experience of colors is within mind, because mind works as a prism through which the inner light is divided. So first one begins to experience colors; then colors dissolve and only light remains. Light is white; white is not a color. When all the colors are one, white is created. When all the colors are one, then you feel white. When all the colors are there undivided, then you experience white. When no color is there, then you experience black. Black and white are both not colors. When no color is present, then there is black. When all colors are present, undivided, then there is white. All the colors are just divided light. If you are feeling colors inside, then one thing: you are within mind. So the experience of colors is mental; it is not spiritual. The experience of light is spiritual, but not of colors – because when mind is no more you cannot experience colors. Then only light is experienced. Secondly, there is no fixed sequence of colors. There cannot be because each mind differs. But the experience of light is exactly the same. Buddha experiencing light or Jesus experiencing light the experience is the same. It cannot be otherwise because that which creates differences is no more. Mind creates differences. We are here – we are different because of our minds. If mind is no more, then the factor which divides, which differentiates, is not there. So the experience of light is similar, but the experiences of colors are different and the sequence differs. That’s why, in each religion, a different sequence has been given. Some believe that this color comes first and that comes in the end; others believe quite differently. That difference is really the difference of minds. For example, a person who is fearful, deeply rooted in fear, will experience yellow as the first color. The first color coming in will be yellow, because yellow is the color of death – not only symbolically, but actually also. If you take three bottles – one red, one yellow, one just white, plain white – and just put into these three bottles the same water, the yellow bottle will deteriorate first. Then the others will deteriorate. The red bottle of water will deteriorate in the end, last. Yellow is a death color. That’s why Buddha chose yellow as the robe for his bhikkus – because Buddha says that to die from this existence absolutely is Nirvana. So yellow was chosen as a death color. Hindus have chosen ochre, a shade of red, as the color for their sannyasins, because red or ochre is the color of life – just the opposite of yellow. It helps you to be more alive, more radiant. It creates more energy – not only symbolically, but actually, physically, chemically. So a person who is very energetic, alive, deeply rooted in the love of life, will experience red as the first color, because his mind is more open to red. A fear-oriented person is more open to yellow, so the sequence will differ. A very silent person, one who is very still, will experience blue as the first. So it will depend. There is no fixed sequence because there is no fixed sequence of your mind. Each mind differs in orientation in tendencies, in structure, in character. Each mind differs! Because of this difference the sequence will be different. But one thing is certain: each color has a fixed meaning. The sequence is not fixed, it cannot be, but the meaning of the color is fixed. For example, yellow is a death color. So whenever it happens first, it means you are fear-oriented – that your mind’s first opening is for fear. So wherever you move, the first thing you will notice will be fear, or the first reaction of your mind in any new situation will be fear. Whenever something strange is there, the first response will be fear-filled. If red is the first color in your inner journey, then you are more rooted in the love of life, and your reactions will be different. You will feel more alive, and your reactions will be more life affirmative. A person whose first experience is yellow will always interpret everything in terms of death, and a person whose first experience is red will always interpret his experiences in terms of life. Even if someone is just dying, he will begin to think that he must be reborn somewhere else. Even in death he will interpret rebirth. But for the person whose first experience is yellow, even if someone is born he will begin to think that he is going to die some day. These will be the attitudes. So a red-oriented person can be happy even. in death, but a yellow-oriented person cannot be happy even in birth. He will be negative. Fear is a negative emotion. Everywhere he will find something to be sad and negative about. For example, I said that a very silent person will feel blue, but this means a silent person who is inactive at the same time. A silent person who is active at the same time will feel green as the first experience. Mohammed chose green as the color for his fakirs. Islam has green as the symbolic color. That is the color of their flag. Green is both – silent, still, but also active. Blue is just silent and inactive. So a person like Lao Tzu will first begin to feel blue; a person like Mohammed will begin to feel green first. So the symbolic system of colors is a fixed thing, but the sequence is not fixed. Another thing has to be noted, and that is that seven colors are pure colors. But you can mix two, you can mix three, and a new color comes out. So it may be that you never experience pure color in the beginning. You may experience three colors, their combination, or two colors or four colors. Then again it depends on your mind. If you have a very confused mind, then your confusion will be shown in the colors. Now they have evolved in the West a color test in psychology. and it has been proving very meaningful. Just giving you many colors and allowing you to choose the first preference, then the second, then the third, then the fourth, decides much, shows much. If you are sincere and honest, then it shows much about your mind, because you cannot choose without any inner cause. If you choose yellow first, the logic of it is that then red will be the last. It has its own logic. If death is your first choice, then life is going to be your last, you will put red as the last. And one who chooses red first will automatically choose yellow as the last. The sequence will also show the structure of the mind. But once, twice, thrice – the cards are given to you again and again – and the strange thing is that the first time you choose yellow, your first preference, then the second time you are given the same cards but you don’t choose yellow as your first preference. The third time you choose something else, and the whole sequence changes. So the cards are given seven times. If a person goes on choosing yellow as the first color continuously for seven times, then it shows a very fixed mind – very much fixed – a fixation. This man is constantly rooted in fear. He must be living in many phobias, because everything will take the shape of fear. But if he is given the cards another seven times and now he changes – once blue and once green and once something else – then there is a double sequence. One sequence in one series and another sequence in the second series – that also shows much. In the second series, if he never repeats one color as his first preference, that shows he is very fluctuating and nothing can be decisively said about him. He will be unpredictable. And the sequence also changes because the mind is changing constantly. Recently, because of LSD, marijuana and other drugs, many things have come up from the unconscious mind. When Aldous Huxley told about his experiences with LSD, he talked as if he had entered heaven. Everything was beautiful, utopian, colorful, poetic. Nothing was bad in it. There was nothing like a nightmare – nothing of fear or death. Everything was alive, abundantly alive, rich. But when Zaehner took it, he entered hell. With the same LSD he entered hell, and it was a long nightmare – horrorfilled, Both misinterpreted their experiences. Aldous Huxley thought that this was a quality of LSD and that because of LSD this heaven experience had come up. Zaehner interpreted quite diametrically opposite from Huxley and he said, ”It is just a nightmare, a deep horror. One must not go into it – it can create madness.” But the interpretation is on the same lines: he also thought that it was LSD which had created this experience. The reality is different. It was LSD working only as a catalytic agent. LSD cannot create heaven, cannot create hell. LSD can only open you, and whatsoever is in you is projected. So if Zaehner’s experience is absolutely colorless it is because of Zaehner’s mind, and if Huxley’s experience is colorful it is because of Huxley’s mind. LSD can only give you a glimpse into your own mind. It can open your own deeper layers. So if you have a suppressed unconscious inside, then you may enter hell; or if you have nothing suppressed, if you have a relaxed unconscious, a natural one, then you may enter heaven – but that will depend on what type of mind you have. The same happens when one goes deep into an inner journey: whatsoever you encounter is your own mind. Remember this – whatsoever you encounter, it is your own mind. The color sequence is also your own mind’s sequence, but one has to go beyond colors. Whatsoever the sequence, one has to go beyond colors. So one must continuously remember that colors are mental. They cannot exist without mind – the mind working as a prism. When you go beyond mind, there is light – colorless, absolutely white. And when this whiteness begins to be there, only then have you gone beyond mind. Jains have chosen white as the color for their monks and for their nuns, and the choice is meaningful. As Buddhists have chosen yellow and Hindus ochre, Jains have chosen white, because they say only when white begins does spirituality really begin. Mohammed has chosen green because he says if silence is dead, then it is meaningless. Silence must be active, it must participate in the world, so a saint must also be a soldier. He has chosen green. All colors are meaningful. There is a Sufi sect which uses black – black clothes for their fakirs. Black is also very, very meaningful. It shows absence of color, everything absent. It is just the contrary of white. Sufis say that unless we become totally absent, the God cannot be present to us. So one must be like black – absolutely absent, a nonentity, a nonbeing, just a nothingness. They have chosen black. Colors are meaningful. So with whatsoever you choose you show much. Even your clothes indicate much. Nothing is just accidental. If you have chosen a particular color for your clothes, it is not accidental. You may not be aware why you have chosen it, but science is aware – and it shows much. Your clothes show much because they belong to your mind, and your mind chooses. You cannot choose without your mind having certain leanings, certain tendencies. So the sequence will be different, but all sequences and all colors belong to your mind. Don’t be bothered much about them. Whatsoever color is felt, just go on passing it; don’t stick to it. Sticking to it is the natural tendency. If some beautiful color is there, one becomes stuck to it – don’t. Move! Remember that colors belong to mind. And if some color is fearful, one goes back so that it is not felt. That too is not good, because if you go back no transformation is possible. Pass through it! Don’t go back. It is your mind: pass through it! Even if a color is fearful, even if ugly, even if chaotic or beautiful or harmonious, whatsoever, go through it. You must reach a point where colors are not, but only light remains. That entry into light is spiritual. Everything before that is mental. THE ULTIMATE ALCHEMY, VOL.1, OSHO--- __________________ The belief that society exists has sabotaged every effort to change mankind. It is the reason why revolutions have failed. It is about a totally different revolution: the revolution in the heart of the individual. Last edited by heartbeatsalute; 21-06-2012 at 02:36 AM.

20-06-2012, 10:39 PM	#2131
heartbeatsalute Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 10,202	Beloved Osho, What is the secret of a Joke? Osho: The sudden unexpected turn, that is the secret of a joke -- the revelation. You are expecting something and it doesn't happen; what happens is so totally absurd and yet has a logic of its own... it is ridiculous and yet not illogical. That's what suddenly becomes a laughter in you. You see the ridiculousness of it, and also the logic of it. It is unexpected -- if it is expected, then it doesn't bring laughter to you. If you know the joke then it doesn't bring laughter to you, because now you know, everything is expected. Two insects were living in a cemetery. One said to the other: "Want to make love in dead Ernest tonight?" Now, poor dead Ernest...! An Englishman on his first trip to America went to one of those stand-up comic nightclubs for the first time. After he had had a couple of drinks, the lights dimmed and Henny Youngman stepped into the spotlight and greeted the crowd with his famous trademark gag: "Take my wife... please." The crowd belly-laughed. The Englishman was impressed. "By Jove," he said to himself, "I must remember that and try it on the chaps back home." Now, when somebody says, "Take my wife," you are expecting he will say, "for example." "Take my wife, for example." But he is saying "Take my wife," and then the silence, the little pause..."please." That is unexpected. Some weeks later, back in London, he stepped to the microphone at a meeting of his club and, with great confidence, snapped out: "Consider my wife. Please." Now the whole thing is lost. Just a single word makes it a beauty. The secret of the joke is that it brings you to a point where you are expecting, expecting, expecting that this is going to happen; then it never happens. And what happens is so sudden... and because you were expecting something you were coming to a tension, and then suddenly something else happens, and the tension has come to such a climax that it explodes. You are all laughter. It is a tremendous release, it is great meditation. If you can laugh totally, it will give you a moment of no-time, no-mind. Mind lives logically with expectations, laughter is something that comes from the beyond. Mind is always guessing what is going to happen, groping. And something happens which is absolutely contrary to its expectations: it simply stops for a moment. And that is the moment when the mind stops, when laughter comes from your belly, a belly laugh. Your whole body goes into a spasm, it is orgasmic. A good laugh is tremendously meditative. An English gentleman went to his surgeon saying, "Old chap, I have this damned desire to be an Irishman. Can you perform some operation to make me one?" "Well," replied the surgeon, "it is a fairly risky business, you know. We have to remove ninety percent of your brain." "Do it," replied the Englishman. When he awoke from the operation he found his bed surrounded by long-faced doctors. His surgeon stepped forward, saying, "Terribly sorry, old chap, but during the operation the old scalpel slipped and we accidentally removed one hundred percent of your brain!" "Ah, na fuckin' worries mate!" ---OSHO--- __________________ The belief that society exists has sabotaged every effort to change mankind. It is the reason why revolutions have failed. It is about a totally different revolution: the revolution in the heart of the individual. Last edited by heartbeatsalute; 21-06-2012 at 02:36 AM.

21-06-2012, 01:33 PM	#2137
lonestar Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 2,031	show off