The film "The Matrix" Neo's password

[denton]

Originally Posted by merlincove

Denton, if you can prove to me that the numbers 9 and 11 were completely random occurrences, of all the dates that could have been chosen, then you might have a point.

As it is, the odds that it was a randomly applied date, in a film that portrays deceit and illusion, are what 1/365 - and given that it was made 3 years prior to the events of 911, that's a 1/1095 - show me where else a 1/1095 chance occurs in a film where the date is hugely significant and means something to almost everyone - i'm guessing that you can't, you will keep on trolling about the 1st March or the passenger 57 or some other equally random number - and these numbers mean very little to the mass population, just as the 31st march means very little to 99/100 of the people reading this.

But the numbers 9 and 11 in conjunction mean something to almost everyone.

Even at 1/1095, those aren't exactly astronomical odds. How many films are made each year, and how many of those might reference a date? If it had been another film and not The Matrix you'd be holing up that title as proof of conspiracy, not this one. That you accuse me of trolling simply proves that you don't have any other comeback. You don't understand what I've been saying, despite it being pretty straightforward stuff.

You cite the fact that it specifies 2001 as being significant, but given that date had to be one in the future, that's no big deal. A couple of years ahead of release date? So what? Perhaps they chose September 11th because it was the date George Stibitz performed the first remote operation of a computer. Perhaps it was the birthday of one of the crew or cast. Point is, until you've eliminated such possibilities then your conspiracy theory is fanciful and nothing more. The fact The Matrix may contain pseudo-conspiratorial references is no big surprise anyway, given the theme of the film. Not sure how 9/11 relates to robots taking over the world, or everyone wearing shades and leather. The film took an unoriginal theme, wrapped it in stylish violence to disguise the shallow nature of the rest of the film, and gave everything a lick of fashion paint so that it'd sell to the drongoes and the idiot masses. It's a crap film, and the fact it has one date which is being taken as proof of foreknowledge is utterly laughable.

[lobuk]

Mark Passio - Subversive Symbolism, The Hegelian Dialectic & The Globalist Agenda

The 9/11 stuff starts around 1:41:00 but the whole presentation is excellent and a must watch.

Mark Passio - Subversive Symbolism, The Hegelian Dialectic & The Globalist Agenda - WOEIH Part 3/4 - YouTube

Mark Passio - Subversive Symbolism, The Hegelian Dialectic & The Globalist Agenda - WOEIH Part 3/4 - YouTube

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Having realised that he had been wrong, and suffering for it, he now dedicates his life to seeking truth and acting on it by bringing vital information out into the open.

Occult knowledge, which simply means hidden knowledge, has been used by dark occultists to control the general public, largely by various forms of mind control - as explained in this lecture series. Passio argues that the remedy to this situation is to bring this knowledge out into the open so that it becomes common knowledge, as opposed to hidden knowledge. In this way it will become impossible to control people using knowledge that is known only to the few.

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[pippin]

This is great video, I am so glad he explained that the philosophies of qabalah and freemasonary are not bad in themselves, and that its just the will or intention of the persons using it that are bad, as a student of the qabalah myself I can honestly say that it does wonders for a person looking for clarity in their life.

It annoys me somewhat when I hear people like Alex Jones slating it and talking about "do what thou wilt" as though only evil people use it for control. I accept that he is a Christian and no-one should stop him from believing or practising this, but it would do him no harm to educate himself before passing judgement on something he knows little about. There is a bit missed off that phrase that perhaps no-one has mentioned to him; "and ye harm NONE, do what thou wilt" in translation it means that we all have free will as long as we do not use it to harm another human being. Aleister Crowley was a brilliant qabalist, until he started using it for all the wrong reasons. Albert Einstein also practised Qabalah.

I'm getting increasingly annoyed at this abuse of a beautiful spiritual philosophy by people who just want to make money from others and control the masses. I am dead against the NWO but I defend the qabalah as something good that I dont see as a secret society, it is something that can be used and practised by everyone.

I sometimes wonder if TPTB are abusing this and freemasonary, not only for their own ends but to give it a bad name and scare people off from using it, therefore denying every human being the right to this knowledge. People like Alex Jones could be a victim of this, hence his attack on the phrase "do what thou wilt"

I hope that people also realise that you do not have to give up whatever you currently believe in to practise qabalah. Even if you hold no denomination. It is a universal philosophy. And real qabalah does not require you to wear red string or buy special bottles of water (cough*madonna*cough)

If anyone is interested the 10 sephiroth are (from the bottom of the tree up)

10 - Malkuth
9 - Yesod
8 - Hod
7 - Netzach
6 - Tiphareth
5 - Geburah
4 - Chesed
3 - Chokmah
2 - Binah
1 - Kether

[wispy]

I guess we're going to diverge and you can go on your merry way with it. What you're espousing is a 'belief system' or a phillosophy and it will be akin to a discussion between a religous believer and a non believer

For me, you're into it what fits your belief as to how reality works.

Who said anything about fortune telling?

OK. Let's call it you labelling as forethought what 'gifted people' and others who've no idea that their 'work' will have some 'meaning' or relevance interpreted into it by others who link it with some some 'event' and then consider it some form of 'unconscious pre-cognition'.

'Gifted' people often see and experience things in visions / dreamscape and with a 6th sense - have you never had a 6th sense experience, thinking of someone, just before they ring you, or dejavu?

Yes i have, on a frequent basis, but i don't consider myself gifted. There are quite rational explanations.

I can say I had a forethought that some of my posts and threads will be deleted, if you get my drift. It won't prove 'forethought' because I'm gifted and tapped into a future event at some subconcious level.

Deja vu I put down to experiencing an event similar to one you've remembered before but can't quite put a finger on.

Someone calling me just after I've had a thought about them.?Could be coincidence, or that they were meant to ring me, or that I had been talking to a mutual aquaintance who then met them cuasing them to call me

And so on.

911 was a massive event, is it too far a concept for you to grasp that it's effects could touch people on a subconscious level to such a degree that reflections of it crop up in their work?

How else would you explain :

1) the 911 ref in the matrix (and other films) and

2) what Cobain drew on his shirt (i believe it was his own design)?

Either A) they were in on it and knew it was going to happen (highly unlikely),

B) it was totally random occurrences, or

C) they somehow touched upon something that had found its way into their subconscious?

Out of the three, I'll go for B

Taking the Cobain example, for someone to take an image, reverse it and then read into it something which wasn't there is grasping. The cross a plane symbol? Could be just a cross. Apparently Kurt was a practicising Christian at one time. Could it have been a reference to his previous belief?

And the 911 looks almost like 1911 to me.

You could do the same with other images. Kurt has 'forethought' about his suicide:

http://www.fanpix.net/picture-galler...e-13218213.htm

And if this tower had been blown up?

http://img2.bdbphotos.com/images/ori...ylvnc7lynb.jpg

So, what does that leave us? The concept that 911 was so horrific and devastating that it's effects touched peoples subconscious / psyche without their conscious awareness?

Possibly with you just having a belief that future events can be 'sensed' as a forethought. That's all. Which is stretching the phillosophy from 'time' is an 'infinite plane' or 'string' stretching from 'the beginning' to 'infinity' with consciousness travelling through it, to consciousness being at one with this 'time'.

Sounds good in a meditation or eastern philosophy class. But doesn't work here.

It's coincidence.

No, it's not the same at all. "A load of monkeys" hitting typewriters could come up with war and peace if they were left for an infinite time.......

Yup. It is. But they only need to hit a couple of keys in sequence to get 911, not write war and peace.

i'm not sure if your post is weak or pointless or both.

That's a matter of opinion.

[wispy]

Originally Posted by denton

Even at 1/1095, those aren't exactly astronomical odds. How many films are made each year, and how many of those might reference a date? If it had been another film and not The Matrix you'd be holing up that title as proof of conspiracy, not this one. That you accuse me of trolling simply proves that you don't have any other comeback. You don't understand what I've been saying, despite it being pretty straightforward stuff.

You cite the fact that it specifies 2001 as being significant, but given that date had to be one in the future, that's no big deal. A couple of years ahead of release date? So what? Perhaps they chose September 11th because it was the date George Stibitz performed the first remote operation of a computer. Perhaps it was the birthday of one of the crew or cast. Point is, until you've eliminated such possibilities then your conspiracy theory is fanciful and nothing more. The fact The Matrix may contain pseudo-conspiratorial references is no big surprise anyway, given the theme of the film. Not sure how 9/11 relates to robots taking over the world, or everyone wearing shades and leather. The film took an unoriginal theme, wrapped it in stylish violence to disguise the shallow nature of the rest of the film, and gave everything a lick of fashion paint so that it'd sell to the drongoes and the idiot masses. It's a crap film, and the fact it has one date which is being taken as proof of foreknowledge is utterly laughable.

I agree, except.......

Crap film? I enjoyed it, as entertainment.

Didn't read anything it the 'message'.

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by denton

The film took an unoriginal theme, wrapped it in stylish violence to disguise the shallow nature of the rest of the film, and gave everything a lick of fashion paint so that it'd sell to the drongoes and the idiot masses. It's a crap film, and the fact it has one date which is being taken as proof of foreknowledge is utterly laughable.

Granted, it is not a brilliant film, but the story line is fairly compelling....

i never suggested that the inclusion of the date was foreknowledge of anything, what i suggested was quite the opposite, actually.

and as for the insults, well i guess like you said, you don't have any other worthwhile comeback yourself

[porridge]

There are tons of examples of 911 in hollywood movies, but of course will always be down to belief, if it was coincidence or syncronicity.

Trying to debate it like you are going to prove anything is funny.

The South Tower stargate

[denton]

Originally Posted by merlincove

Granted, it is not a brilliant film, but the story line is fairly compelling....

i never suggested that the inclusion of the date was foreknowledge of anything, what i suggested was quite the opposite, actually.

and as for the insults, well i guess like you said, you don't have any other worthwhile comeback yourself

Call that one even then and let's draw a line under it. Personally I didn't find the film compelling. It was clumpy, clichéd and plain unoriginal. I was under the impression you were claiming the inclusion of the date 11/9/2001 was some kind of proof or hint. If not, my bad.

[merlincove]

Originally Posted by denton

Call that one even then and let's draw a line under it. Personally I didn't find the film compelling. It was clumpy, clichéd and plain unoriginal. I was under the impression you were claiming the inclusion of the date 11/9/2001 was some kind of proof or hint. If not, my bad.

Nah, my thought processis way more out there than that

That the reverberation of the atrocities of 911 was so powerful that it reached out into people's psyche's and then 'came out' in subconscious ways - as in Kurt Cobain's design printed on his shirt - that people like Cobain have managed to (either naturally or through 'experimentation') open doors inside their minds which enable them to tap into the hidden and latent flow of whatever-it-is - the wave, if you like, that 911 created.

I'm not sure that the Wichowski brothers were really that intune, but who knows - but i'm sure that the power and energy, mass sacrifice / murder that occurred on 911 created a frequency that a lot of sensitive people would touch upon without fully understanding what it was they were expressing.

[illuminumnuts]

Originally Posted by lobuk

What would the chances be of having Neo's passport expiry date being September 11, 2001 in a movie that was made in 1999?

The matrix was officially released on March 31, 1999.

Forgetting the fact that this part of the film would have been done before the release date and so just going off the official release date.

March 31, 1999 - March 31, 2000 = 365

March 31, 2000 - March 31, 2001 = 365

March 31, 2001 - Sept 11, 2001 = 164

So that is already a chance of One in 894 just going from the release date of the movie to 9/11/01. Then if you are looking at coincidence, you also have all of the years after 9/11/01 to take into account which would very obviously bring it to a massive number and show that it is not coincidence whatsoever.

The numbers 9 and 11 may just seem like normal numbers to the unaware masses but are in fact very important and meaningfull numbers to the dark cabal and it is no coincidence at all that they show up as often as they do. What emergency number do 300+ million Americans use when they want help? 911. What did the Twin Towers look like? An 11. What was the first flight to hit the Towers? Flight 11. It just goes on and on.

People who think that everything is just coincidence should take a look at the excellent research from the likes of Rick Clay, Mark Passio and Freeman Mcfly. It is a real eye opener and will have an effect on your whole perspective on things.

The passport was valid for 10 years and could have been made to start on any date before the release of the film. Give or take a few days, the odds of the passport expiring on September 11th 2001 were 3650 to 1. Then, we have the odds of the birth date being the bloodiest day in American history, since the civil war,in relation to Americans killing each other. We have 1 day in about 130 years there. That is roughly 47,000 to 1. Just on dates that gives combined odds of roughly 170 million to 1. Lol. Then, we have the odds of the same family being linked to both events to be factored in. Ha ha ha. I think all the monkeys will be sitting at their typewriters scratching their heads in bewilderment.

Originally Posted by merlincove

Nah, my thought processis way more out there than that That the reverberation of the atrocities of 911 was so powerful that it reached out into people's psyche's and then 'came out' in subconscious ways - as in Kurt Cobain's design printed on his shirt - that people like Cobain have managed to (either naturally or through 'experimentation') open doors inside their minds which enable them to tap into the hidden and latent flow of whatever-it-is - the wave, if you like, that 911 created. I'm not sure that the Wichowski brothers were really that intune, but who knows - but i'm sure that the power and energy, mass sacrifice / murder that occurred on 911 created a frequency that a lot of sensitive people would touch upon without fully understanding what it was they were expressing.

There is no reason why The Matrix and Simpsons examples couldn't have been direct foreknowledge and some of the other media examples couldn't have been metaphysical manifestations.

[pwnage]

why is the exp 11/09/01 if the date of issue is 12/09/01? so all 3 dates are 11,12,13 sept..

[dude111]

Welcome to the site!

Originally Posted by illuminumnuts

Give or take a few days, the odds of the passport expiring on September 11th 2001 were 3650 to 1.

Yes it is interesting....... But going on the thought that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A COINCIDENCE,it is even more perplexing!


Would be neat finding NEO and asking him what he thinks about it! (Not that he would be honest about things)

[james_morrison]

yep the prop guy put the date in there as a message to the future... and as extra proof used a birth date of a minor event almost no one had heard of. That must be the only rational explanation!
Its a shame the prop guy who knew in 1998 what was going to happen didn't find a slightly better way to warn people

[dr steam]

Originally Posted by wispy

I agree, except.......

Crap film? I enjoyed it, as entertainment.

That is exactly how I feel about your posts...

[devorian]

I can’t believe people have given this subject that much consideration? If anyone is seriously suggesting that it’s not coincidental then you need to ask yourself the question. If the Wachowski brothers had this insight why would they have not done everything in their powers to warn people or just make it a more prominent feature of the film?

You will find interesting similarities and coincidences with anything if you look close enough.

What’s the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything?

Erm? Forty Two?

People have delved into great detail about the significance of this number and how important it is. It’s just a number that Douglas Adams said “Sounds Funny”

This is post #135 just google the number 135 I'm sure you can find all sorts of nonsense around this number.

[petermay]

Coincidences do happen.
It would be infinitely stranger if they didn’t happen.
It's all about probability.
Just live with it.

[illuminumnuts]

Originally Posted by james_morrison

Its a shame the prop guy who knew in 1998 what was going to happen didn't find a slightly better way to warn people.

Yes, good point. Have you got you got any ideas what he could have done?

Originally Posted by petermay

Coincidences do happen. It would be infinitely stranger if they didn’t happen. It's all about probability. Just live with it.

Yes, good point. Also, conspiracies do happen. It would be infinitely stranger if they didn’t happen. It's all about probability. Just live with it.

Originally Posted by devorian

If the Wachowski brothers had this insight why would they have not done everything in their powers to warn people or just make it a more prominent feature of the film?

Yes, good point. Any ideas what they could have done?

[petermay]

Originally Posted by illuminumnuts

Yes, good point. Have you got you got any ideas what he could have done?





Yes, good point. Also, conspiracies do happen. It would be infinitely stranger if they didn’t happen. It's all about probability. Just live with it.





Yes, good point. Any ideas what they could have done?

Yes, no one would disagree with this, “conspiracies do happen. It would be infinitely stranger if they didn’t happen.

You did however avoid the relevancy of probability, given that conspiracies have been uncovered, and the nature of man, we can happily conclude that they are common place. On a probability scale of 100, 100.

The probability of the WTC buildings collapsing for the reasons given by AE for 911 truth, and others is low, on a scale of 100, 1. Don’t forget we already have a conspiracy uncovered, namely that for arab terrorists, and evidence thereof.

On the subject of, “Have you got you got any ideas what he could have done?
This is a hypothetical question, do you really want a hypothetical, answer, to start a hypothetical debate? Ergo, my hypothetical anwswer is as good as your hypothetical question, and thus non sequitur.

Occams razor would also disregard this conspiracy theory, given the nature of AE for 911 evidence.

[illuminumnuts]

Originally Posted by petermay

On the subject of, “Have you got you got any ideas what he could have done? This is a hypothetical question, do you really want a hypothetical, answer, to start a hypothetical debate?

I just want an answer.

[unlockthepower]

There are literally hundreds of examples of this predictive programming in the media regarding 9/11.