Celente: there is no illuminati

[martg]

Originally Posted by anthonyml

The arrogance of the the man always astounds me, he's always going about how stupid other people are and how stupid politicians are and the stupid mistakes they make.

They are not stupid, this is manufactured and there are doing exactly what they are supposed to.

and he knows it, I'm sure
good little gatekeeper that he is

[ritchs]

Originally Posted by jackblack666

this is a long standing debate, if you can't specifically identify any the illuminati members then maybe they don't exist

its the same for the god argument, just where is the invisible man in the sky? hmmm maybe he's not real just a figment of our imagination ... oh noooooo I now have to own my actions

humans do not want to take responsibilty for anything, especially the leaders they voluntarily pull the lever for, so they invent invisible personages and groups that lurk in the shadows

celente may be right

Maybe he's afraid if he tells it exactly like it is, he will wind up on a gurney, or commit 'suicide'

Is he aware of the Bilderbergers meeting right now? Well maybe there is no 'illuminati' but we do know there are Bilderbergers

"A rose by any other name....."

[nocternald]

Originally Posted by inversedivinity

Good finally someone else agrees. Illuminati is a buzzword to hide the real 1 per cent. We're all focused on spirituality and ghosts we don't see the real crooks.

The elite stopped using the word Illuminati a long time ago.

Far more sophisticated now.

[cafe beelzebub]

I don't like Gerald Celente at all.

That's got nothing to do with his opinion of the existence of an Illuminati or not.

It's based on the fact that I find him to be an extremely annoying and whiny man who's been talking about the immediately imminent financial Armageddon for about 5 years now.

[oonalu]

Originally Posted by neil2009

Gerald Celente - Tommy Schnurmacher Show - May 29, 2012 : it's the continuation of the ripping of the rights , says Gerald Celente about the situation in Montreal Canada , these protests are real and are not going to stop it has nothing to do with the arab spring it's class warfare , it is going to be worse in Europe but it is going to start breaking out in the United States as well



http://youtu.be/fvtoBxZtZF0

Well he would say that would'nt he

[ozpixie]

I would not read too much into the Illuminati line, which was a throwaway. We all know its a loose term to describe a bunch of rich power-crazies.

[realy]

Originally Posted by anthonyml

The arrogance of the the man always astounds me, he's always going about how stupid other people are and how stupid politicians are and the stupid mistakes they make.

They are not stupid, this is manufactured and there are doing exactly what they are supposed to.

hes one of those "gatekeepers" imo, a fishy character.

[rolf harris]

Illuminati is a buzz word but there is still a pyramid structure.

Doesn't Icke say it's the 13 families at the top then the elite organizations ,TLC, Bilderberg, CFR ect then Freemasons under them...or something like that....?

[teardropexplodes]

I do not trust celente but if he comes on, say, the Rense show I'll always listen as he does sometimes come up with intetesting angles and amusing, imaginative terms which I use, such as "presstitutes".
He also speaks with some passion... but never quite comes off as sincere.

As for illuminati, I really believe folk in the truth movement, awakening, whatever you wanna call it, should stop using it.
We all know there are elites and secret societies (some not necessarily evil) but the illuminati is a laughing stock among serious researchers and makes us sound like Dan Brown fantasists with no credibility.
THERE IS NO ILLUMINATI.
Only ever speak about what you can prove to be 100% fact....things you can back up with googlable evidence, and you will win people around.
We have to be serious and prepared to knock down all straw men and ad hominem arguments from shills with solid undeniable facts using terms that the elite use themselves.
This is my opinion, if you think I am wrong, debate me!

[frase]

Whatever you want to call them, there are some fairly unplesant people shaping and guiding world events....

Rockefeller, Brezinski, Clinton, The Bush crime family, Kissinger....

Let's start naming fucking names shall we...
WHO ARE THEY???!!!

[morgen_hurst]

The secret societies we know of are not secret they are secretive.

Its the ones we dont know of that are the true secret societies.

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by teardropexplodes

But, again, can I ask any of you who believe in the illuminati to show me evidence of their existence.

They don't leave paper trails.

For me the illuminati is as much a group as a state of mind.

Illuminati is the result of certain time consuming and fairly well organised training programmes.

The masons is just an vestibule to this group.

In my experience the Illuminati I have known have been masons but also much more than masons. Operating at far higher metaphysical levels of awareness and also blending seamlessly into the secret security services.

The evidence I have of the Illuminati?

Just a couple of names that would mean nothing to anyone here, and the name of a language school used as a training base.

Illuminati exist within this world and the next, they straddle two realities simultaneously, the astral world is as real for them as the world before your eyes.

And indeed, being able to directly perceive this astral world and communicate with and receive communication from it, is the key to being Illuminati.

Personally I couldn't be bothered with it. Astral reality is far too much hassle, you either acquire a gang of astral sycophants cheering and clapping your every move, or else a horde of demons trying to pick fights with you all the time.

It's all hugely overrated.

[dan duchaine]

The Bavarian Illuminati is historically recorded as a fact. Its even on Wikipedia.

Yeah but they dont exist right?

On the David Icke forum? Fucks sake.

[teardropexplodes]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

They don't leave paper trails.

For me the illuminati is as much a group as a state of mind.

Illuminati is the result of certain time consuming and fairly well organised training programmes.

The masons is just an vestibule to this group.

In my experience the Illuminati I have known have been masons but also much more than masons. Operating at far higher metaphysical levels of awareness and also blending seamlessly into the secret security services.

The evidence I have of the Illuminati?

Just a couple of names that would mean nothing to anyone here, and the name of a language school used as a training base.

Illuminati exist within this world and the next, they straddle two realities simultaneously, the astral world is as real for them as the world before your eyes.

And indeed, being able to directly perceive this astral world and communicate with and receive communication from it, is the key to being Illuminati.

Personally I couldn't be bothered with it. Astral reality is far too much hassle, you either acquire a gang of astral sycophants cheering and clapping your every move, or else a horde of demons trying to pick fights with you all the time.

It's all hugely overrated.

So, I just have to have faith that they exist?
That'd be like arguing with a Christian or a Jew about the nature of god.
Utterly futile.

[teardropexplodes]

Originally Posted by dan duchaine

The Bavarian Illuminati is historically recorded as a fact. Its even on Wikipedia.

Yeah but they dont exist right?

On the David Icke forum? Fucks sake.

So, who are they now?
Show me evidence because I really want to believe.
Is Blair a member? Bush? Rothschilds? Kissinger?
Do they control the Zionist organs which control the USA?
Were the illuminati behind 9/11? Cos all the best evidence I've seen points to a cabal of neocon Zionists.
Just support your beliefs with evidence otherwise you're going to be laughed at trying to win people over.

[king triad]

The Illuminati is just a term given to the powers at the top..call them elitists, the 1%, pigs whatever...It's just a term used loosely by truthers..

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by teardropexplodes

So, I just have to have faith that they exist?
That'd be like arguing with a Christian or a Jew about the nature of god.
Utterly futile.

Noone's asking you to do anything.

It's up to you really if you're seeking the truth or not.

I'm not selling a product here mate, I'm not getting a commission on the truth.

Just trying to help is all.



The last time paper evidence of the Illuminati was found it was because a courier was struck by lightning.


These guys are careful. The highest level people don't even need to communicate using paper anymore as they have so perfected astral contact.

The Illuminati are not just some bunch of shady politicians and crooks, they are masters of reality itself. They can create coincidences and stage 'accidents' merely by thinking about them.

Do you think people operating from this level of total-reality control are going to go around with flashing fairy lights above their heads, so you know who they are?

[rakkoo]

Everybody wants to RULE the WORLD.

The NAZIS existed and still do, can we call them the Illuminati?

there are small groups who want try to be above the rest.

[edelweiss pirate]

Originally Posted by king triad

The Illuminati is just a term given to the powers at the top..call them elitists, the 1%, pigs whatever...It's just a term used loosely by truthers..

That's how it's been used but it's not the real story.

To be Illuminated refers to a specific bio-spiritual chemical transformation of the human mind.

Once this has been undergone, you are Illuminated.

The early works of the proto-Illuminatus such as Ignacio Loyola created 'exercises' which they believed would create this bio-spiritual state.

The recent Templar-Masonic Illuminati dates back to techniques used by the Hashashins of Hassan Ibn Sabah of the 11th Century and this broadly coincides with the reemergence of stone masons and so called 'sacred geometry', after the intermediary of the Temple Knights.

These groups all existed in history and if you know their secrets you will know the Illuminati.


The most psychically powerful member emerges and shapes reality to their wishes and rises to the top.

The so called Bloodlines are those who are predisposed to extraordinary psychic powers or abilities.

Mind rules over matter every time.

The people you know about in the press are servants.

[teardropexplodes]

Originally Posted by edelweiss pirate

Noone's asking you to do anything.

It's up to you really if you're seeking the truth or not.

I'm not selling a product here mate, I'm not getting a commission on the truth.

Just trying to help is all.



The last time paper evidence of the Illuminati was found it was because a courier was struck by lightning.


These guys are careful. The highest level people don't even need to communicate using paper anymore as they have so perfected astral contact.

The Illuminati are not just some bunch of shady politicians and crooks, they are masters of reality itself. They can create coincidences and stage 'accidents' merely by thinking about them.

Do you think people operating from this level of total-reality control are going to go around with flashing fairy lights above their heads, so you know who they are?

Flashing fairy lights on their heads? Nice ad hominem.
I guess I can't argue with any of it then.
I'll just somehow have to try and believe.