Why People Act Like Sheep: Accepting the NWO

[melinda980]

A very interesting article.

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.wordpress.com/

[valmar]

Originally Posted by melinda980

A very interesting article.

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.wordpress.com/

Can you quote some relevant text? I can't access wordpress at work. Thanks melinda!

[driscol]

I'm a little annoyed by this idea that anyone who doesn't believe as we do or see what we see is a sheep or "accepting the NWO"

Reminds me of people calling me a Satan worshiper or "accepting Satan" because I don't see everything through a religious filter.
This movement is going to have even more problems spreading if we reject the viewpoints and ideas of anyone that doesn't agree with us. It makes us look like a cult obsessed with an "us vs them" delusion. People that are unaware of what's going on are not sheep, blind, evil, or against us. They just haven't seen it for themselves yet.

[melinda980]

Originally Posted by driscol

I'm a little annoyed by this idea that anyone who doesn't believe as we do or see what we see is a sheep or "accepting the NWO"

Reminds me of people calling me a Satan worshiper or "accepting Satan" because I don't see everything through a religious filter.
This movement is going to have even more problems spreading if we reject the viewpoints and ideas of anyone that doesn't agree with us. It makes us look like a cult obsessed with an "us vs them" delusion. People that are unaware of what's going on are not sheep, blind, evil, or against us. They just haven't seen it for themselves yet.

If you taken the time to read the title properly I did not call people 'sheep.' The heading says 'Why People Act Like Sheep: Accepting the NWO.
Unfortunately, there are many humans who even after knowing the truth still chose the path leading into the dark, so that to say that they are 'unaware of what's going on are not sheep, blind, evil, or against us. They just haven't seen it for themselves yet' is not entirely true.

[knightofthegrail]

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210018

[melinda980]

Originally Posted by valmar

Can you quote some relevant text? I can't access wordpress at work. Thanks melinda!

Certainly. An exerpt below.

The Mighty Wurlitzer: The CIA Plays Any Song, America Will Follow
CIA Director Allen W. Dulles and Frank G. Wisner, Operations Chief, Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), raised Reichsminister of Propaganda and Public Enlightenment, Paul Josef Goebbels’ Nazi mass media propaganda machine in America. In 1948, just two years after Goebbel’s purely ceremonial and illusionary suicide in Berlin, Dulles and WISNER officially created Operation MOCKINGBIRD.[1]

It was an illegal domestic operation designed to mimic (MOCK) Goebbels’ Public Enlightenment and Propaganda Ministry. “Frank WISNER who ran Mockingbird in its earliest days once boasted that the operation was like a ‘mighty Wurlitzer … I can play any tune I want on it and America will follow along.”[2]

Psychological Trauma, “Learned Helplessness”
“The best political weapon is the weapon of terror. Cruelty commands respect. Men may hate us. But, we don’t ask for their love; only for their fear.” –SS-1 Reichsfuhrer Heinrich Himmler

Often in America, things aren’t really clearly what it seems to be. Recently, CIA psychologist issued memos covering the interrogation of ‘war on terror’ detainees discussed psychological “self torture” issues. A couple of the memos discussed the procedure and environment designed “to create a state of learned helplessness“. This is a concept originally developed by psychologist Martin Seligman who found that dogs given inescapable electric shocks would eventually just give up trying to avoid them and remain passive while electrocuted. The theory was related to depression where people with no control over their unpleasant lives supposedly just learnt to be withdrawn and passive.[3] Mental Depression “self torture” is one of the results of the process of “learned helplessness.” Learned helplessness existed in some forms of Nazi and SS applied psychological of “FEAR” as found in its form of governing and concentration camps.
Martin Seligman’s foundational experiments and theory of “learned helplessness” began at University of Pennsylvania in 1967, as an extension of his interest in depression. Quite by accident, Seligman and colleagues discovered that the conditioning of dogs led to outcomes that were opposite to the predictions of B.F. Skinner’s behaviorism, then a leading psychological theory.[4]

Seligman developed the theory further, finding learned helplessness to be a psychological condition in which a human being or an animal has learned to act or behave helplessly in a particular situation — usually after experiencing some inability to avoid an adverse situation — even when it actually has the power to change its unpleasant or even harmful circumstance. Seligman saw a similarity with severely depressed patients, and argued that clinical depression and related mental illnesses result in part from a perceived absence of control over the outcome of a situation.[5]

“According to Seligman, the author of “Learned Optimism” (the alleged psychological antidote to learned helplessness), human minds can be trained to passively accept unpleasant situations such as the imposition of a Police state and the loss of their freedoms and liberties.
‘…nullifying the natural reactions, which normally cause attempts to escape or to control the situation. It is a state of deep depression, brought on by prolonged immersion in a reality of learned helplessness…A person with learned helplessness easily gives in her/his goals if s/he fails few times in achieving them. Such persons show apathy, no motivation, depression and pessimism.’
Step by step Americans have stood by helplessly as one freedom and liberty guaranteed by their constitution and bill of rights has been taken away and each time they have protested and clamored their outrage they were managed into submissive acceptance. This despite a never ending series of bold faced lies that were later exposed as such that were told to them by the usurpers of their Government as the excuse to get them to accept the legislation for their new enslavement and acquiescence to participation in Wars of naked aggression. Even when millions of Americans began calling their Congress to prevent the Bank Bailout, they were given a one week reprieve only to be told that martial law would be declared if the bill was not passed. Congress rubberstamped it and Americans were given yet another dose of helplessness. All the while as their way of life has been systematically stolen from them they have been bombarded with nightmares by fear mongering opportunists who scream with bull horns that things are going to get even worse with their tales of FEMA Camps and coffins which in fact were built as props as part of a very real contingency plan with the dual purpose of providing a bit of reality to the brainwashing techniques designed to condition Americans into the mindset of ‘Learned Helplessness’.”[6]

[melinda980]

Originally Posted by knightofthegrail

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210018

A sheep goes along with the rest of the 'herd.' This is the reason for the heading, and I did not call anyone a 'sheep'. I just wish people would bother to read the title properly instead of getting bent out of shape over a misunderstanding!

[ultimate_warlord]

Why does everybody get offended about calling 99% of Earth`s population "sheep"? The only difference is the wool. We`re being herded and fleeced every minute by the dogs following the shepherd`s whistle, and end up as mutton.
It`s only truth...

[knightofthegrail]

Originally Posted by melinda980

A sheep goes along with the rest of the 'herd.' This is the reason for the heading, and I did not call anyone a 'sheep'. I just wish people would bother to read the title properly instead of getting bent out of shape over a misunderstanding!

And I wish people would stop propogating the idea that the behaviour of sheep (ie: trust) is foolish.

[driscol]

Originally Posted by melinda980

If you taken the time to read the title properly I did not call people 'sheep.' The heading says 'Why People Act Like Sheep: Accepting the NWO.
Unfortunately, there are many humans who even after knowing the truth still chose the path leading into the dark, so that to say that they are 'unaware of what's going on are not sheep, blind, evil, or against us. They just haven't seen it for themselves yet' is not entirely true.

Ok whatever. You said people that don't see what we see are not sheep but "like sheep"
Clearly this is a huge difference. Clearly insulting people is the way to reach them and get them to see the truth.

I'm done. I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just tried of this site. Not sick of it, just tired of fighting the inevitable. Ignorance and hatred is everywhere, I guess I just need to learn to like it instead of instinctively fight it.

[melinda980]

Originally Posted by knightofthegrail

And I wish people would stop propogating the idea that the behaviour of sheep (ie: trust) is foolish.

Trust becomes foolish if it is constantly violated and the same trust in the trustless, faithless (not religion) and is continually given. It becomes a form of stupidity or mental unbalance! I am not discussing this further with you. This is a forum where people can accept or reject what they like and it's a waste of my time continuing this line of discussion on 'sheep like behaviour.' It just diverts from the real issues at hand. Just accept that you are not going to like or agree with everything that is put on any forum. End of.

[driscol]

Originally Posted by knightofthegrail

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=210018

I like that thread. Well I should say I like what you said with the thread.

To the person asking why we are "offended" by calling people sheep. Offended is a harsh word, but personally I'm sick of it because it's ignorant and when most people here do it, it makes us look like crazy cult members.

Kind of like when they call people "shills" for not agreeing with them.
It's not just that though, it expresses that quality attached to groups like this we are trying to avoid, paranoia. The delusional idea that anyone who doesn't agree with you is against you or just believes whatever "the government" tells them. It's what turned me off to the Anonymous group's propaganda, and it's going to turn people off to these ideas too. You don't just represent yourself when you do ignorant things like that, you are representing your people.
We are all your people, so I feel I have a right to complain when you represent us in such an annoying and dare I say ignorant way. You have the same right, you can speak up if I or anyone else here does something you feel represents us or you in a bad way.

[knightofthegrail]

Originally Posted by melinda980

Trust becomes foolish if it is constantly violated but the same trust in the trustless, faithless (not religion) and is continually given.

What I see amongst those who constantly berate "sheople" is a paranoid lack of trust that is spreading an atomist vision of humanity - EXACTLY what the NWO wish of us. Sheep are a good example in their trust of each other - we could learn much from them instead of buying into the mental illness promoted by both NWO and many supposedly anti-NWO people.

[driscol]

Originally Posted by melinda980

Trust becomes foolish if it is constantly violated and the same trust in the trustless, faithless (not religion) and is continually given. It becomes a form of stupidity or mental unbalance! I am not discussing this further with you. This is a forum where people can accept or reject what they like and it's a waste of my time continuing this line of discussion on 'sheep like behaviour.' It just diverts from the real issues at hand. Just accept that you are not going to like or agree with everything that is put on any forum. End of.

Yeah I've been hearing this "It's off topic, shut up" thing lately but it doesn't even apply here. You created a topic insulting people that don't agree with by calling them sheep, discussing the "sheep" thing is not diverting or being off topic.

Just saying, this is worth discussing. You can hide from it if you want but I feel an actual dialog and understanding is something we may all benefit from here.

[melinda980]

Originally Posted by driscol

Ok whatever. You said people that don't see what we see are not sheep but "like sheep"
Clearly this is a huge difference. Clearly insulting people is the way to reach them and get them to see the truth.

I'm done. I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just tried of this site. Not sick of it, just tired of fighting the inevitable. Ignorance and hatred is everywhere, I guess I just need to learn to like it instead of instinctively fight it.

You are never going to see eye to eye with everyone and it is futile to think you are. Stop fighting people and just agree to disagree. I don't agree with everything people say anywhere but it doesn't trouble me. I find that reacting with emotion to everything is draining, exhausting and benefits no-one. It is emotion (energy in motion) that gets in the way of seeing things clearly. If you read the article you would see why I chose this heading. It is to do with external mind control programming of the masses and has nothing to do with ignorance or hatred except from the control system that hates all humanity.

[melinda980]

Originally Posted by driscol

Yeah I've been hearing this "It's off topic, shut up" thing lately but it doesn't even apply here. You created a topic insulting people that don't agree with by calling them sheep, discussing the "sheep" thing is not diverting or being off topic.

Just saying, this is worth discussing. You can hide from it if you want but I feel an actual dialog and understanding is something we may all benefit from here.

If that's how you feel then why don't you create a new, separate thread on specifically about so-called 'sheep-like behaviour' and why you don't agree with them? This thread is about mind control of the masses and the suspicious deaths of well known celebrities by the control system.

[driscol]

Originally Posted by melinda980

You are never going to see eye to eye with everyone and it is futile to think you are. Stop fighting people and just agree to disagree. I don't agree with everything people say anywhere but it doesn't trouble me. I find that reacting with emotion to everything is draining, exhausting and benefits no-one. It is emotion (energy in motion) that gets in the way of seeing things clearly. If you read the article you would see why I chose this heading. It is to do with external mind control programming of the masses and has nothing to do with ignorance or hatred except from the control system that hates all humanity.

Well saying everyone that disagrees with you is just mind controlled is even more paranoid, so I choice to ignore that.
To say "not everyone will agree with you, so ignore those that don't" is not really the right attitude to have on a forum. This place is about discussing things with those you disagree with and discovering you are not the only one that believes what you believe.
Not to say mind control doesn't exist, but we are all effected. It doesn't prevent anyone from seeing it, the people you call "sheep" are just people that haven't seen it for themselves (at least for what it really is) yet.
If mass mind control was really so effective, we wouldn't be aware of mass mind control.

[driscol]

Originally Posted by melinda980

If that's how you feel then why don't you create a new, separate thread on specifically about so-called 'sheep-like behaviour' and why you don't agree with them? This thread is about mind control of the masses and the suspicious deaths of well known celebrities by the control system.

"Why People Act Like Sheep: Accepting the NWO"

Really? You could have made that more clear.

So now your saying I should get out of your thread and start my own because I disagree with you? Look you made a thread spreading this paranoid idea, discussing this paranoid idea on your thread isn't that outlandish. You said it yourself, not everyone on a forum like this will agree with you.
It's no reason to demand that people leave your thread and go somewhere else. Let's just be adults about this. If you feel my opinion or point of view is that offensive, you are free to not respond to this. If you choose not to respond to either of my posts, I won't respond to anything you post. I don't think it should be that way, but I wouldn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable by me expressing my point of view on their "territory"

[itsallinus]

We are defined by our actions. Most people act like sheep, they have a herd mentality and attack you if your outside the box. So I will call them sheeple as long as they act like sheep. Trust in government and institutions is not just misplaced trust its moronic. Trust humans, fine, if they act like humans and deserve respect, fine. Often it's not about trust though is it? It's taking a decision that makes their own lives easier and fuck everyone else or the consequences because it protects their comfort zones, that is deserving of being called a sheeple. Offended? Tough shit. My children are being enslaved because you sheeple refuse to pull your heads out of the sand and are too weak to face any of your fears.

Fuck em'.

[melinda980]

Originally Posted by driscol

"Why People Act Like Sheep: Accepting the NWO"

Really? You could have made that more clear.

So now your saying I should get out of your thread and start my own because I disagree with you? Look you made a thread spreading this paranoid idea, discussing this paranoid idea on your thread isn't that outlandish. You said it yourself, not everyone on a forum like this will agree with you.
It's no reason to demand that people leave your thread and go somewhere else. Let's just be adults about this. If you feel my opinion or point of view is that offensive, you are free to not respond to this. If you choose not to respond to either of my posts, I won't respond to anything you post. I don't think it should be that way, but I wouldn't want anyone to feel uncomfortable by me expressing my point of view on their "territory"

If want a discussion on so-called 'sheep-like behaviour' why beat around the bush making excuses and claiming that I'm trying to 'get you off this thread?' If you feel that strongly then create your own thread. I've done this many times in the past when I wanted to discuss something specific! It's what everyone here does when they want to share something close to their hearts. No-one is telling you not to do so! I think you are nit picking because you have a problem with the title rather than anything else and have taken it too much to heart. Have you anything constructive to add concerning information contained in the link I've copied and pasted/any extra information of the topic or have you not bothered to read it because had a problem with the title I posted? If the latter is true I strongly suggest yet again that you create your own thread to discuss it more thoroughly.