Would you leave you kids with these men?

[khepera2010]

Originally Posted by arjuna12

I may have misread your post and thought you were one who was striving after Kether. Humble apologies!

No not an atheist. It too believe in the one Creator.

No problem and thanks.

I've now edited my post to make it a bit more...straightforward.

Some people throw the terms left & right hand path about and are not even sure of the true definitions or goals but sadly confuse left hand path with 'black magick' because it goes against standard teachings - my initial post was to educate paganoflight in that matter. I'm not saying you confuse them because I don't know if you do or not but many people do.

[exu156]

Originally Posted by arjuna12

Have you ever met someone who has 'become one with Kether' as you say?
Do you know anyone who has become a 'god'?

Sorry to break it to you... it's all a crock!

Reaching Kether has nothing to do with becoming God because there is only one creative force.

Are there men who have reached Kether? Of course! Let's just take two examples:

Allan Bennett
http://hermetic.com/bennett/

and

Charles Stansfeld Jones
http://hermetic.com/achad/

I would be very cautious with believing claimants too easily. Their work will speak for itself. If I was to get a dollar for every person I have heard claim to have crossed the abyss I would be a rich man.

"Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. - Matthew 7:13

[william68]

In the original tradtions becoming God was the term for becoming perfected. The Royal Path is based upon alchemly of the soul and its literal transformation into the highest form of light. What is called the RHP is build upon literalized and corrupted dogma's of the symbolic traditions for doing such.

[misa]

Was there any truth in the rumour that Anton la vey abused zenna his daughter and that he is the father of Stanton her son?

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by misa

Was there any truth in the rumour that Anton la vey abused zenna his daughter and that he is the father of Stanton her son?

I haven't seen any substantiation of those claims. Zeena just hates her father for whatever reason. The older daughter, Karla, doesn't hate her father.

So...they're just rumors. I wouldn't put much stock into them. There was a lot of feuding going on in the Satanic sub-culture and a lot of nasty things were said on all sides. This still goes on, more or less.

[noobcybot]

Originally Posted by misa

Was there any truth in the rumour that Anton la vey abused zenna his daughter and that he is the father of Stanton her son?

Originally Posted by saint_frankenstein

I haven't seen any substantiation of those claims. Zeena just hates her father for whatever reason. The older daughter, Karla, doesn't hate her father.

So...they're just rumors. I wouldn't put much stock into them. There was a lot of feuding going on in the Satanic sub-culture and a lot of nasty things were said on all sides. This still goes on, more or less.

Funnily enough one had just done an interview for Vice magazine. I will have a read of it tommorow and see what it says.

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by noobcybot

Funnily enough one had just done an interview for Vice magazine. I will have a read of it tommorow and see what it says.

Post the link?

[william68]

Zeena had major beef with her father over Nikolas Schreck. Aton hated him and was not a fan of their relationship. When Zeena tried to push her father to get him to move Nikolas up the ladder and make him a big kahuna in the CoS. Which Aton refused to do as he consider him a hollow and worthless ass kisser.

Then the two of them left for what they believed would be greener pastures in the ToS. In which they expaned their vanity to extremes. This is around the time she started making the claims to spite her father and attempt to ruin his character as much as possible, it was a "fuck you daddy!" Moment. And I suspect Nick was helping to rally her on behind the scenes in revenge for not getting his way with Aton either.

Originally Posted by saint_frankenstein

I haven't seen any substantiation of those claims. Zeena just hates her father for whatever reason. The older daughter, Karla, doesn't hate her father.

So...they're just rumors. I wouldn't put much stock into them. There was a lot of feuding going on in the Satanic sub-culture and a lot of nasty things were said on all sides. This still goes on, more or less.

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by william68

Zeena had major beef with her father over Nikolas Schreck. Aton hated him and was not a fan of their relationship. When Zeena tried to push her father to get him to move Nikolas up the ladder and make him a big kahuna in the CoS. Which Aton refused to do as he consider him a hollow and worthless ass kisser.

Then the two of them left for what they believed would be greener pastures in the ToS. In which they expaned their vanity to extremes. This is around the time she started making the claims to spite her father and attempt to ruin his character as much as possible, it was a "fuck you daddy!" Moment. And I suspect Nick was helping to rally her on behind the scenes in revenge for not getting his way with Aton either.

Makes sense to me. Zeena and Nikolas are known to have major ego problems. They don't seem to get along with anyone.

[paganoflight]

Originally Posted by khepera2010

'Unification & transcendence' is exactly that, ie annihilating The Self, the individual and becoming one with Kether. And that is the goal of those who follow your Path...although it seems that many of them don't even know it .

Makes me laugh when folks rail about the LHP and then don't understand that simple concept about the RHP .

You still put words into God's mouth - ''...circumvent the original intention and purpose of creation...''. Who says the original Plan was as you say? Did The Creator of the Universe make a mistake then in creating individuality and the desire to evolve and grow? And now wants it all reversing?

Imo The Creator does'nt make mistakes...but humans do.

The only part of what you said here that I agree with is the very last sentence.

Unification and transcendence is annhilating the self? I disagree. Perhaps the ego...which I can understand would leave you and your LHPathers with feelings of dis-ease.

[exu156]

Originally Posted by paganoflight

Unification and transcendence is annhilating the self? I disagree. Perhaps the ego...which I can understand would leave you and your LHPathers with feelings of dis-ease.

What was that about the ego?

Originally Posted by paganoflight

As for how I "exorcised" these beings from my area, let's just say that I made it so unbearable for them that they decided (or came to terms with the fact that) they couldn't overpower me. In other words, I didn't *have* to command them to leave.

It's a bummer to get rid of isn't it?

[noobcybot]

Originally Posted by saint_frankenstein

Post the link?

Lol, I had only seen it in ink I didnt think they would have had it online.

http://www.vice.com/read/beelzebubs-...-0000175-v19n4

[khepera2010]

Originally Posted by paganoflight

...Unification and transcendence is annhilating the self? I disagree. Perhaps the ego...which I can understand would leave you and your LHPathers with feelings of dis-ease.

Seriously. Think about it.

The Ego is the thing that gives us the sense of Self. It is what makes us think 'I'. Mainstreamers would argue that 'ego' is bad and would seek to annihilate it as part of their spiritual practice but why destroy a part of yourself? Master it yes but destroy it?

Everyone has an 'ego' or at least is born with that function. It can be 'normal' or it can be hugely inflated - it does'nt make it something bad. It is the thing that drives humanity to better itself both spiritually as well as in the material plane and not just 'showy off' displays, as in ''wow, that famous actress has a huge ego''!

Yes 'unification & transendence' leads to destruction of the Self. If you unify something, then by definition, you take away each parts individuality (and Self) to do so. As an example: the tossers in Brussels are attempting to 'unify' Europe and to do so they must destroy each Nations sense of Self, sense of identity and 'sovereignty'. Does that make it clearer?

Some folks seem to believe that The Creative Intelligence wishes this to happen but why would it? It created the Universe like this and in my opinion does not make mistakes, so therefore it is reasonable to assume that it actually intends for everything to eventually evolve spiritually into what it is destined to become. 'All is interconnected but All is not One'....although it is from One.

Actually a thought just occured to me and maybe you're one of those folks who believe that there is actually an eternal heaven and a hell, where all the good and bad people go after life? And completely forget all other lifeforms here on Earth and out into the Cosmos. That would certainly explain your inability to understand.

I've made this clear many times here but I'll say it again, I believe in The Creative Intelligence or 'God' ('Bondye' in my terms) but I do not subscribe to the man made religions who's teachings defy logic. Either God has messed up and wants it all nicely reversing or it has not, simple...and God, The Creative Intelligence does not mess up...man does that.

[arjuna12]

Originally Posted by william68

When Zeena tried to push her father to get him to move Nikolas up the ladder and make him a big kahuna in the CoS. Which Aton refused to do as he consider him a hollow and worthless ass kisser.

I do concur!!! (never thought Anton and I would agree about anything)

Anyone who's watched Shrek's interview with Charles Manson would have to agree...
... gee, what a SUCK!

[saint_frankenstein]

Originally Posted by noobcybot

Lol, I had only seen it in ink I didnt think they would have had it online.

http://www.vice.com/read/beelzebubs-...-0000175-v19n4

Thanks. I think Zeena was pretty much correct about the atmosphere of the early Church of Satan. Anton just wanted attention and to make money. He wasn't very knowledgeable about the occult. Just reading through the Satanic Bible and the Satanic Rituals, you will find many errors. Personally, I think LaVeyan Satanism is rather outdated, honestly.

I wonder if her and her husband are still eugenics-supporting neo-Nazis. (Even though they're both of Jewish descent. Go figure.)

[valmar]

Originally Posted by arjuna12

Would you leave your children with these men?


Aleister Crowley (Ordo Templi Orientis)


Anton LaVey (Church of Satan)


Michael Aquino (Temple of Set)

Aquino? I don't know enough about his background to form an opinion on him...
LaVey... Maybe not.
Crowley? Definitely...if he was alive...

[william68]

The obsession with Mason is a strange part of the American fringe in some cases. Its based on the fact in Americana culture, celebrities are gods and Mason killed one. Doubled with the bizzare and hyped up case around it and the time it occured at. Along with Mason's charismatic personality and general opinions seem to strike a cord.

Mason is guilty as he ordered the murders. The house they struck first was owned by the record producer who turned him down for a contract. And the other murders where attempts to lead police in the wrong direction. He had those drugged out and lost, hippie kids around his finger.

Originally Posted by arjuna12

I do concur!!! (never thought Anton and I would agree about anything)

Anyone who's watched Shrek's interview with Charles Manson would have to agree...
... gee, what a SUCK!

[william68]

In America you will find a lot of Neo-Nazi's are Jewish. The most famous one being Frank Cohen (AKA Collins). Its good black propaganda for them to pose as their enemies all the time and misrepresent such causes to the masses. While the sincere Gentile ones such as Rockwell are murdered by them.

Originally Posted by saint_frankenstein

Thanks. I think Zeena was pretty much correct about the atmosphere of the early Church of Satan. Anton just wanted attention and to make money. He wasn't very knowledgeable about the occult. Just reading through the Satanic Bible and the Satanic Rituals, you will find many errors. Personally, I think LaVeyan Satanism is rather outdated, honestly.

I wonder if her and her husband are still eugenics-supporting neo-Nazis. (Even though they're both of Jewish descent. Go figure.)

[bikerdruid]

Originally Posted by william68

Given the fact LaVey never harmed any children and was the happy father himself and wrote against harming children or animals, and lived what he preached as of all things he was never a hypocrite. Crowley was a judeo-christian ritual magician with a drug problem. And Aquino is a highly intelligent and moral human, who believes man should evolve independent of living in fear of a hebrew sky spook (who by the way in the bible kills millions of human beings in the bible).

On the other hand, people are finding out what leaving their children in the hands of the local christian priest has done.

BINGO!!!
/thread.

[bikerdruid]

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