Anyone else feeling sickly?

[stupid]

I often found white dust all over my house.

Do any of the chemtrail believers wonder what the white dust was ?

[stupid]

I've allowed days for anyone to reply, so I will explain my questions....

Strange that no one wonders what the "white dust" was.
I wonder...I really do.
Example......if someone said there was white dust left behind a UFO....and I BELIEVED IN UFO's.....I'd like to know what it was. The same holds true for anything left behind by a controversial theory.....all parties want to know what it is, believers and skeptics alike.
~~~

In an earlier post (about 3 posts back (post # 19)) I asked what was strange about the prior post.
Did no one notice what Soylentgreen stated about Evergreen planes,

"Why would one of these planes (the ones with red bottom) fly so low and not be "spraying"?

When did Evergreen ever have red bottoms ? Evergreen has but one plane available for spraying, but....Southwest Airlines....nearly all of them have red bottoms.
Could he have been confused ?


The point is, I am confused as to why you who believe in "chemtrails", refuse to correct other fellow "chemtrail" believers, when something is obviously incorrect ?
???

[genemeadow]

Unfortunately, I have seen them locally as well. Very unfortunate.

[a_skywatcher]

Originally Posted by stupid

The point is, I am confused as to why you who believe in "chemtrails", refuse to correct other fellow "chemtrail" believers, when something is obviously incorrect ?
???

Chemtrails aren't something you 'believe' in like a god. They are there, right in front of your face for you to see with your own eyes. I have no idea what more proof you need.

It's not like some conspiracy theory bandwagon that's spread all over the net. Spraying is being done right in front of your nose. Look up ^^^

If you can't or won't see it, then all I can say is that when you do wake up, it'll be too late for you.

[stupid]

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

Chemtrails aren't something you 'believe' in like a god. They are there, right in front of your face for you to see with your own eyes. I have no idea what more proof you need.

I need way more proof than "just seeing" something.
We see things all the time without really knowing what they are. We make assumptions about them, conjure a story about them, and complete the story in our minds according to "our" narrative. We are often wrong.

You see a bear walking towards you....you assume he wants to eat you....but he really wants the berries from the bush next to you.

You walk past an attractive person, and they smile at you. Do they want to meet you and strike-up a relationship? Have you ever assumed that ? ......Then you notice they smile at nearly everyone, even that overweight homeless guy behind you. But they smiled...at you....you saw it with your own eyes.

Have you ever seen something, invented a story behind it (guessed), later to find out it was wrong ? I'm sure you have......we all have.
Combine "eyes" with predisposed thought, and the instinctual need to connect dots......you will inevitably invent extra dots for the situation to make sense in your mind.
Connecting invented dots is the job of the human mind. We all do it.
We often do it for survival. Even if the bear was only seeking blueberries, our instinct tells us to move away -- because bears are dangerous.

Suppose you need to walk across a long thin suspension bridge....you look down, and you see a dead body in the river below you.....would you not assume they are from people falling from the scary bridge ? You connected the dots according to your current situation. But if you found out later, that the dead body was from an unfortunate kayak accident on the river......the dots you connected .....were wrong.

We all connect dots in our mind, which is why there is such a thing as a
"Rorschach" test....where a random ink blot means different things, to different people.
http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/rorschach.php

Your Responses
According to some psychologists, stating "This is a..." constitutes a "bad" response. You are supposed to know that the cards don't actually represent any recognizable figures, so saying something like "This looks like ..." is considered a more "healthy" response. When you think about it, this preoccupation with literalness is rather silly. No one who says "This is..." in response to a card really thinks that's what the card is actually an image of. If they did they would likely be too mentally disordered to even take the test in the first place.

"connecting the dots" are often the job of a journalistic reporter, when not enough information is given so that they "have a story" to report to the large audience they are reporting to.
This newspaper "connected the dots" too early, and they were wrong....and is a classic example....

[stupid]

Scientific research uses "dots" that are then connected, but each of those dots need facts behind them, not emotional guesses....
http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_roslin...ever_seen.html

[ytch]

I really don´t know how anybody who spent some time outside
watching the skies and weather patterns lately
can deny the existence of chemtrails
and the effects they have.

[stupid]

I spend time outside....lots of time.
I go on at least two outdoor hikes a week.
I run for exercise.
I look at the sky.
I see clouds, and lasting contrails.....lots of contrails sometimes...or none at all.
There is a perfectly sound explanation for contrails, and why they sometimes last/linger/blossom.
I look down too....I see the plants, flowers, animals and insects.
I see bees wherever I go. They are still abundant on my nature treks, and in my garden.
I am a nature fanatic.

I see no reason to blame contrails for any naturalistic decline. There is a decline of living creatures because of "man's" toxic and industrial sprawl....I agree to that. But I cannot attribute nature's decline to white lines in the sky, 5 miles up. I attribute it to what's happening 5 feet up. What's happening 5 feet up, affects the things...5 feet up.

[a_skywatcher]

Originally Posted by stupid

Scientific research uses "dots" that are then connected, but each of those dots need facts behind them, not emotional guesses....

Well Stupid, you really do have the right ID there!!

I've connected plenty of dots, but come to the conclusion that chemtrails ARE REAL. It is not an emotional guess, they are in our skies on a daily basis in more than a lot of countries. In fact, all the NATO ones.

I've studied chemtrails for two years now, done so much research into them that I can categorically assure you they exist, are happening now and doing you and your family a lot of damage.

I've noticed where I live that trees are being felled at an unprecedented rate, crops are failing to grow and people are becoming ever more sick. All the vegetation is being burned with the aluminium from the chemtrails and causing them to die off. Crops are failing from the same and also lack of sunlight.

There are so many sites on the net to look into this, so no need to take my word for it. Have a look at my blog (link below) spend a couple of hours just looking at a few pages and connect your own dots to form a cohesive argument , then give me reasons why chemtrails don't exist and your crazy assumptions of how you came to these conclusions.

But if you choose to be in ignorance, then you only have yourself to blame.

As I see it you are only giving your assumptions to antagonise those who know that chemtrails exist. This is the last I will say on this thread because it's blatantly obvious you chose your ID for a reason.

[stupid]

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

Well Stupid, you really do have the right ID there!!

I chose that name because I attempt any quest for truth at the bottom...aka "stupid"....and work my way up, as I learn with a fresh mind.
You will also see my monicker/image/avatar...an eye, with a "don't know" symbol in it....the suggestion is that the eye does not know all that there is to know about a subject..... "eye (I) don't know".
I created that graphic for a specific reason.

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

I've connected plenty of dots, but come to the conclusion that chemtrails ARE REAL. It is not an emotional guess, they are in our skies on a daily basis in more than a lot of countries. In fact, all the NATO ones.

I suppose you read that somewhere, about "NATO countries only". Here's just 10 countries, not in NATO......(there are more)
1. Sweden
2. Finland
3. Austria
4. Switzerland
5. Belarus
6. Ukraine
7. Ireland
8. Moldova
9. Serbia
10. Macedonia
So punch in a Google search of any of those countries, and include the word, "chemtrails"......you will find lots of instances where "chemtrails" are in and above those nations, with photos.

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

I've studied chemtrails for two years now, done so much research into them that I can categorically assure you they exist, are happening now and doing you and your family a lot of damage.

What damage are they causing ? can you find some overwhelming statistics ?

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

I've noticed where I live that trees are being felled at an unprecedented rate, crops are failing to grow and people are becoming ever more sick. All the vegetation is being burned with the aluminium from the chemtrails and causing them to die off. Crops are failing from the same and also lack of sunlight.

Crop yields are on an overall high...and has to be, because of the population increases.
Here's for the USA...http://www.nass.usda.gov/research/cpcs/index.htm
Sure, it's easy to find unscientific people who complain or state that "crops are failing", especially if they attribute it to GW or some other cause. Top google hits are not based on accuracy of information....they're based on # of hits. People tend to look more for "problems", than they do "successes"....and people post on more websites about problems, not successes.....hence the proliferation of "problems" appear at the top of a Google search.
You are a victim of this, in your next quote.....

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

There are so many sites on the net to look into this, so no need to take my word for it. Have a look at my blog (link below) spend a couple of hours just looking at a few pages and connect your own dots to form a cohesive argument , then give me reasons why chemtrails don't exist and your crazy assumptions of how you came to these conclusions.

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

But if you choose to be in ignorance, then you only have yourself to blame.

If you only concentrate your efforts on problems, you will only see problems....and there is ample info on the net to keep any pessimist unhealthy.

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Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

As I see it you are only giving your assumptions to antagonise those who know that chemtrails exist. This is the last I will say on this thread because it's blatantly obvious you chose your ID for a reason.

No, I am attempting to offer an alternate view....a view that encompasses ALL viewpoints. I encourage people to not reside and settle in the scare-mongering....but search for the whole truth.....not what they just find on their favorite self-justification websites.
http://youarenotsosmart.com/2009/11/...-helplessness/

[stupid]

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

Chemtrails aren't something you 'believe' in like a god. They are there, right in front of your face for you to see with your own eyes. I have no idea what more proof you need.

A poster here (Soylentgreen) said he/she had found a covering of white dust.
Aren't you interested what was in the white dust ?

....or is any white dust found OK with you ?....no matter what it may be ?

[soylentgreen]

stupid, I just noticed your comment about the "evergreen" plane. Yes, I was mistaken (I know when to admit I'm wrong) actually, I looked it up after posting and realized it was common airliner colors. now, explain why it was flying very low.

[soylentgreen]

since my last response, I have a new set of symptoms (my wife too) very sick... like the flu (influenza) and stomach flu (norovirus) my wife had this a while back, just after spraying activity, then not much activity for awhile and now yesterday spraying again and I'm sick... same symptoms as my wife. I have to make myself eat... no appetite. nausea, pain under sternum (stomach cramps?) aches, pains, chills, back (kidneys?) hurts, weak, dizzy, confused and feel like crying (not psychological... seems a physical response) Also, shaky and twitchy (I am prone to mild epilepsy issues, but my wife described the same thing)

[a_skywatcher]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

since my last response, I have a new set of symptoms (my wife too) very sick... like the flu (influenza) and stomach flu (norovirus) my wife had this a while back, just after spraying activity, then not much activity for awhile and now yesterday spraying again and I'm sick... same symptoms as my wife. I have to make myself eat... no appetite. nausea, pain under sternum (stomach cramps?) aches, pains, chills, back (kidneys?) hurts, weak, dizzy, confused and feel like crying (not psychological... seems a physical response) Also, shaky and twitchy (I am prone to mild epilepsy issues, but my wife described the same thing)

I have the exact same symptoms. Yesterday I was very sick and felt really cold all day. Stomach cramps, no appetite, back hurts, really lethargic and a bit dizzy.

Heavy spraying these last 2 days so no wonder.

A family member has the same thing....More than just plain old co-incidence huh!

[rbl_4nik8r]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

since my last response, I have a new set of symptoms (my wife too) very sick... like the flu (influenza) and stomach flu (norovirus) my wife had this a while back, just after spraying activity, then not much activity for awhile and now yesterday spraying again and I'm sick... same symptoms as my wife. I have to make myself eat... no appetite. nausea, pain under sternum (stomach cramps?) aches, pains, chills, back (kidneys?) hurts, weak, dizzy, confused and feel like crying (not psychological... seems a physical response) Also, shaky and twitchy (I am prone to mild epilepsy issues, but my wife described the same thing)

Did you go to a doctor ? Oh and people get sick all the time some more then others. So what your both saying is that just because you both feel like shit and got sick we need to blame it on chemtrails wow this must be science at its best, I can't wait for the books and movie on how logical this is.

A few months ago someone posted a video of some lady in the UK bitching about chemtrail and how they were making her sick and her niece sick to, yet the whole time she is bitching about this she is chain smoking cigarettes. Oh wait I used to smoke to and got sick at lest once a year, now that I quit I don't get sick could it be smoking was the cause here no of course not it was chemtrails.

Back in 1978 I got sick spent over a week in the hospital with what I was told was a bad case of the flu, they had me on an IV since I could not keep anything down and I was dehydrated, so I can blame this on chemtrails oh wait chemtrails did exist back then, even tho I saw then in the sky, wait I will figure something else to blame for me getting sick back then.

Oh crap I know it was SUN POISONING do to lack of cloud cover in the sky's.

[stupid]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

since my last response, I have a new set of symptoms (my wife too) very sick... like the flu (influenza) and stomach flu (norovirus) my wife had this a while back, just after spraying activity, then not much activity for awhile and now yesterday spraying again and I'm sick... same symptoms as my wife. I have to make myself eat... no appetite. nausea, pain under sternum (stomach cramps?) aches, pains, chills, back (kidneys?) hurts, weak, dizzy, confused and feel like crying (not psychological... seems a physical response) Also, shaky and twitchy (I am prone to mild epilepsy issues, but my wife described the same thing)

Are you sure it was actually the flu "influenza virus" ?
Most people get the common cold (rhino-virus), but then call it "the flu" out of habit, or lack-of research. The "flu" is a serious illness, and quite rare compared to "the common cold"....
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-statistics
The reason I bring this up, is people often incorrectly diagnose themselves.
This also brings up the probability that they also incorrectly attribute the cause for an illness... which leads me (and others) to suspect/and question their other claims because of lack-of-accuracy in the first place.
.
If you say you have the "flu", and it's coming from the sky......but you in-fact (incorrectly) DON'T have the flu.....and then you claim that it came from the sky......the "sky" part is nearly as suspicious as your incorrect diagnosed illness of the "flu".

[stupid]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

stupid, I just noticed your comment about the "evergreen" plane. Yes, I was mistaken (I know when to admit I'm wrong) actually, I looked it up after posting and realized it was common airliner colors.

The mistake is very well noted. I will do the same, when I am wrong......much appreciated.

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

...now, explain why it was flying very low.

Hard to tell what you mean by "low" without photographs. I'd love to see some.....so would everyone else.
Hard to respond without photos.
So many people claim that "planes are flying low, and releasing a contrail".....but with no photos to back that claim.

[stupid]

By-the-way.....did you ever have that "white dust" tested ? , Svarga ?

[soylentgreen]

a skywatcher, no suprise about your symptoms... funny thing is since then there has no apparent spraying activity for a couple weeks (nice!) and I have no symptoms (flu-like or otherwise). The fact is, the obvious timing of spraying activity and symptoms is exactly the reason I got interested in this whole chemtrail issue. As I have said before, symptoms are not just my wife and I, but also many others I have observed. After finishing this response I am posting a new thread... have a look.
stupid, funny you mention photos... I am charging both my digital camera and video camera, and buying some film for my old manual SLR with telephoto lens (it's much faster than digital so I can instantly get the shot... it doesn't even need batteries) About the plane flying low: I am very good at judging size, angles, ect. (geometry) and stand by my statement, but next time I will be ready with the cameras. Please explain why a commercial airliner would fly so low over my house? I live up in the mountains and there are no airports nearby. "A poster here (Soylentgreen) said he/she had found a covering of white dust." Huh? I didn't say anything about white dust... I said sparkling... must have been another poster or you just misquoted me... no big deal, we are even now (we all make mistakes). About "the flu": not all flu are serious, and the media and medical profession tends to feed our fears about the more serious flu (get the flu shot) but I have never had a flu shot and never had one of the more serious flu virus. Also, I can certainly tell the difference between flu and common cold. Some might ask: why don't you go to a doctor? Because doctors often give generic answer "it's a virus" or just say "I better give you antibiotics just in case (very bad policy!) I read the news... many people go to doctor and report flu symptoms so media hype those numbers, but after reading I find that only around 20 percent actually test positive for flu... explain what is wrong with the other 80 percent? I could go on and on, and we could argue back and forth all day, but that just "muddies up" the thread and makes it very hard for others to read and follow (your intention?) Anyway, it's been nice having a two week break from activity and feeling like shit, but I know it will happen again soon (see my new post about this) and once again I will notice symptoms soon after spraying activity... not looking forward to that!

[rbl_4nik8r]

Originally Posted by soylentgreen

a skywatcher, no suprise about your symptoms... funny thing is since then there has no apparent spraying activity for a couple weeks (nice!) and I have no symptoms (flu-like or otherwise). The fact is, the obvious timing of spraying activity and symptoms is exactly the reason I got interested in this whole chemtrail issue. As I have said before, symptoms are not just my wife and I, but also many others I have observed. After finishing this response I am posting a new thread... have a look.
stupid, funny you mention photos... I am charging both my digital camera and video camera, and buying some film for my old manual SLR with telephoto lens (it's much faster than digital so I can instantly get the shot... it doesn't even need batteries) About the plane flying low: I am very good at judging size, angles, ect. (geometry) and stand by my statement, but next time I will be ready with the cameras. Please explain why a commercial airliner would fly so low over my house? I live up in the mountains and there are no airports nearby. "A poster here (Soylentgreen) said he/she had found a covering of white dust." Huh? I didn't say anything about white dust... I said sparkling... must have been another poster or you just misquoted me... no big deal, we are even now (we all make mistakes). About "the flu": not all flu are serious, and the media and medical profession tends to feed our fears about the more serious flu (get the flu shot) but I have never had a flu shot and never had one of the more serious flu virus. Also, I can certainly tell the difference between flu and common cold. Some might ask: why don't you go to a doctor? Because doctors often give generic answer "it's a virus" or just say "I better give you antibiotics just in case (very bad policy!) I read the news... many people go to doctor and report flu symptoms so media hype those numbers, but after reading I find that only around 20 percent actually test positive for flu... explain what is wrong with the other 80 percent? I could go on and on, and we could argue back and forth all day, but that just "muddies up" the thread and makes it very hard for others to read and follow (your intention?) Anyway, it's been nice having a two week break from activity and feeling like shit, but I know it will happen again soon (see my new post about this) and once again I will notice symptoms soon after spraying activity... not looking forward to that!

I know you may not be worried about the flu or cold virus but, meningitis can bring on the same symptoms and be very deadly without treatment. I don't know why you seem to think the doctors just give out antibiotics to everyone they see that are sick, my wife has been a nurse for over 20 years and I know both nurses and doctors, and both can be very helpful and want to fix you if your ill or suffering from some ailment.

Now yes you may get some that think antibiotics are the end all cure, but I have not seen that much in years from the people I talk to doctors today are trying to stay away from antibiotics unless you really need to knock something out of you fast. I would look around till you find a doctor that you can trust, and that's not out to push a pharmaceutical companies agenda.