Melanie Sykes vaccine bombshell on ITV.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by biblegirl

Interesting that its the mmr that seems primarily responsible for autism. The dpt seems most responsible for SIDS and falsely diagnosed "shaken baby syndrome"

I had a student some years ago - to her brother happend this...I think this does not mean that one has the tendency

the last time I became a vaccine I had the feeling I can not walk...its about 15 years ago and since than I dont vaccinate - I dont know if this is right but I dont trust

my little nephew became several vaccines a few weeks ago for a holiday and some days later he got high fever suddenly...the poor boy

[uprising]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

I had a student some years ago - to her brother happend this...I think this does not mean that one has the tendency

the last time I became a vaccine I had the feeling I can not walk...its about 15 years ago and since than I dont vaccinate - I dont know if this is right but I dont trust

my little nephew became several vaccines a few weeks ago for a holiday and some days later he got high fever suddenly...the poor boy

My friend at work, her daughter had an epileptic fit after the vaccine and was later diagnosed with autism.
She's a teenager now and apparently is near enough "recovered" as a young girl she lost all her speach but now leads a 'normal' life.

[grasshopper]

Originally Posted by uprising

My friend at work, her daughter had an epileptic fit after the vaccine and was later diagnosed with autism.
She's a teenager now and apparently is near enough "recovered" as a young girl she lost all her speach but now leads a 'normal' life.

vaccines are very toxic...they contain chemical warfare from ww2...since today

[blue2]

Some of you might want to consider this for getting rid of pesticides and haavy metals from vaccine material..it is Dr Richard Schulze's Intestinal Cleanse..available as i know it from www.harmonikireland.com Schulze has a current webiste.

Dr Mark Sircus is another one of Oriental Medicine...he writes about Bicarbonate soda and Iodine and Transdermal Magnesium etc and has Blog...Bicarb can save a person with kidney failure amongst other diseases..and is alkalising get mine on www.BobbysHealthyShop.co.uk it is aluminium free unlike shop bought.

[uprising]

Originally Posted by blue2

Some of you might want to consider this for getting rid of pesticides and haavy metals from vaccine material..it is Dr Richard Schulze's Intestinal Cleanse..available as i know it from www.harmonikireland.com Schulze has a current webiste.

Dr Mark Sircus is another one of Oriental Medicine...he writes about Bicarbonate soda and Iodine and Transdermal Magnesium etc and has Blog...Bicarb can save a person with kidney failure amongst other diseases..and is alkalising get mine on www.BobbysHealthyShop.co.uk it is aluminium free unlike shop bought.

Thanks, I'll take a look.
Bicarbonate of soda and iodine are also effective against certain cancers.(you might know)


On ITV this morning was a short report I feel might have been done to counteract "the damage" done by Melanie Sykes telling the truth about vaccines.

According to the report there has been a rise of measles cases in Liverpool because of unfounded fears some parents have about the MMR vaccine

I can't remember the exact wording but claimed it was proven there is no link

It would be interesting to know if these kids that caught measles were actually vaccinated or not. It didn't say they hadn't been.

And looking at this report http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...-schedule.html we shouldn't assume they hadn't been.
Quote
"It's generally assumed that the measles vaccine, when given in a two-dose schedule in early childhood, should protect against measles infection about 99 per cent of the time. So the discovery that 52 of the 98 teens who caught measles were fully vaccinated came as a shock to the researchers who conducted the investigation."

My early investigations lead me to believe- the vaccine does not prevent measles, and it's highly likely it does cause autism and bowel disorders.

It has to stop.

[beldazar]

According to the report there has been a rise of measles cases in Liverpool because of unfounded fears some parents have about the MMR vaccine

I can't remember the exact wording but claimed it was proven there is no link

It would be interesting to know if these kids that caught measles were actually vaccinated or not. It didn't say they hadn't been.

With the amount of children that have had the MMR jab their figures certainly don't add up!

I'm so fed up that people cannot see what is going on with this vaccine agenda. Recently I found out that a caravan site near me requires all their cleaners to have the hep c vaccine, a woman I knows daughter isn't allowed on a school trip without the tetanus and they repeatedy broadcast these scare stories.

[beldazar]

Originally Posted by uprising

Sadly I didn't know then what I know now and allowed myself to be talked into it by the nurses despite my misgivings.

I've kinda avoided getting into this subject really through fear of ending up bitter and twisted, to think they may have damaged my daughter by injecting her with poisons as a baby has the potential to really fuck me off.

Seeing that interview with Mel Sykes though has sparked something in me and i'd like to channel my energy positively.

Is there any official campaigns I can get behind that seek to expose/find the truth of the dangers of vaccines, anybody?

Maybe I'll start my own. I can feel a petition coming on

Uprising, please don't ever blame yourself, you were doing what you thought best.
My eldest lad is vaccine-damaged and is having to go through a reassessment after I turned my back on the medical establishment. They were completely useless as you can imagine! First he was thought to have coeliacs, (gut problems are often a sign signalling autism)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nk-autism.html
Then dyspraxia. (Clumsy child syndrome) and finally said to have 'borderline' autism. He was seen by foreign doctors who could neither speak or understand English! I refused to have him statemented when he was younger (something I later regretted after a couple of school exclusions due to him not understanding appropriate behaviour and consequences) as any attention to him made him worse. He actually came out of speech and language sessions with a stammer which miraculously went when he hit puberty. He learnt that speaking louder stopped it.
He doesn't relate to anyone now, when he had a bad stammer he was hard to listen to, now he doesn't speak much at all. We had one session with the speech and language therapist and are waiting to see a psychiatrist. (They still check for the 'refrigerator mother' as an excuse to why the child is having problems. .
He has no friends, children don't like him because he is different, he is now 16 years old. He never goes out into town on his own and I think it partly has something to do with whenever we would go together groups of children would taunt him and call him names, with me there! He was bullied all through school but nothing was ever done about it and he didn't want to be home-schooled. He is expected to go on a wrok experience week for the school but just isn't up to even seeing about that so fortunately the chool will now help.
I worry about his future, how he will be able to get a job if he can't communicate. Sometimes he gives the wrong answer to certain questions as if he hasn't uderstood what you have said. He's jealous of his very sociable younger brother too.
The only thing that is ok is that he never seems to be depressed. He has a great sense of humour but is very Monty Pythonish so can be a bit stupid to some people.

One thing I did sort out and this may sound a bit strange.. Is that for several years he used to have a strange sleep, they weren't nightmares as such as he never woke up screaming, he would talk and wrestle in his sleep, I couldn't understand what was said but he was like a caged wild animal, sometimes even falling out of bed it was that bad. Well I found out through the natural health mags that sprung mattresses can act as antennaes to electromagnetic fields and as he was also in a metal bunk I thought I would try changing the beds. Well I found pine beds with foam mattresses and ever since he has slept on one (a week before christmas), no tossing, turning and growling, it's like a miracle! There were no other factors involved, nothing had been upsetting him that had stopped to stop the dreams, just a bed change.
It's been difficult for us both really, he isn't bad enough to get all the help he should have got and sometimes I forget that it's his autism that's causing his strange behaviour.

[weeman]

Slightly off topic perhaps; but a question that seems relevant [and too close to bloody home for my liking] with regard to consent.

Pretty straight forward really:

One parent wants their child vaccinated but the other parent disagrees.
I'm presuming the Mothers wishes will be honoured above the Fathers

.

[beldazar]

Originally Posted by weeman

Slightly off topic perhaps; but a question that seems relevant [and too close to bloody home for my liking] with regard to consent.

Pretty straight forward really:

One parent wants their child vaccinated but the other parent disagrees.
I'm presuming the Mothers wishes will be honoured above the Fathers

.

Ah, I'm really sorry weeman, this topic is brought up many times. one parent doesn't want to vaccinate, the other does. It can cause a very nasty rift. My neighbour and her hubby had differing views and opten for the single jabs, they had to pay more and travel a few hundred miles but toxins were still injected into their baby. I'm presuming that the mother would get the last say, especially when she has been doing most of the bringing up and of course, vaccines are deliberately pushed on us!!
It really doesn't matter how much information you hand out to people they don't even bother looking into it, their minds are set.
I did start a detox thread in the vaccinnation section, it's a sticky I think. If you know of someone that may get the needle soon and there's no preventing it, there may be a simple detox solution on the thread you could use.

[weeman]

Originally Posted by beldazar

Ah, I'm really sorry weeman, this topic is brought up many times. one parent doesn't want to vaccinate, the other does. It can cause a very nasty rift. My neighbour and her hubby had differing views and opten for the single jabs, they had to pay more and travel a few hundred miles but toxins were still injected into their baby. I'm presuming that the mother would get the last say, especially when she has been doing most of the bringing up and of course, vaccines are deliberately pushed on us!!
It really doesn't matter how much information you hand out to people they don't even bother looking into it, their minds are set.
I did start a detox thread in the vaccinnation section, it's a sticky I think. If you know of someone that may get the needle soon and there's no preventing it, there may be a simple detox solution on the thread you could use.

Thanks bel.

[uprising]

Originally Posted by beldazar

Uprising, please don't ever blame yourself, you were doing what you thought best.
My eldest lad is vaccine-damaged and is having to go through a reassessment after I turned my back on the medical establishment. They were completely useless as you can imagine! First he was thought to have coeliacs, (gut problems are often a sign signalling autism) 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nk-autism.html
Then dyspraxia. (Clumsy child syndrome) and finally said to have 'borderline' autism. He was seen by foreign doctors who could neither speak or understand English! I refused to have him statemented when he was younger (something I later regretted after a couple of school exclusions due to him not understanding appropriate behaviour and consequences)  as any attention to him made him worse. He actually came out of speech and language sessions with a stammer which miraculously went when he hit puberty. He learnt that speaking louder stopped it. 
He doesn't relate to anyone now, when he had a bad stammer he was hard to listen to, now he doesn't speak much at all. We had one session with the speech and language therapist and are waiting to see a psychiatrist. (They still check for the 'refrigerator mother' as an excuse to why the child is having problems. .
 He has no friends, children don't like him because he is different, he is now 16 years old. He never goes out into town on his own and I think it partly has something to do with whenever we would go together groups of children would taunt him and call him names, with me there! He was bullied all through school but nothing was ever done about it and he didn't want to be home-schooled. He is expected to go on a wrok experience week for the school but just isn't up to even seeing about that so fortunately the chool will now help. 
I worry about his future, how he will be able to get a job if he can't communicate. Sometimes he gives the wrong answer to certain questions as if he hasn't uderstood what you have said. He's jealous of his very sociable younger brother too. 
The only thing that is ok is that he never seems to be depressed. He has a great sense of humour but is very Monty Pythonish so can be a bit stupid to some people. 

One thing I did sort out and this may sound a bit strange.. Is that for several years he used to have a strange sleep, they weren't nightmares as such as he never woke up screaming, he would talk and wrestle in his sleep, I couldn't understand what was said but he was like a caged wild animal, sometimes even falling out of bed it was that bad. Well I found out through the natural health mags that sprung mattresses can act as antennaes to electromagnetic fields and as he was also in a metal bunk I thought I would try changing the beds. Well I found pine beds with foam mattresses and ever since he has slept on one (a week before christmas), no tossing, turning and growling, it's like a miracle! There were no other factors involved, nothing had been upsetting him that had stopped to stop the dreams, just a bed change. 
It's been difficult for us both really, he isn't bad enough to get all the help he should have got and sometimes I forget that it's his autism that's causing his strange behaviour.

Thanks for sharing that (and your other posts). It's so very sad to think about the many cases like this.
What I feel is frustration that there is this massive elephant in the room and people aren't seeing it.
I didn't notice any significant change in my daughter following the MMR but could have missed some more subtle changes, like with Melanie Sykes I think the signs were "always" there, sensitivity to certain sounds/noises, tantrums, anxiety, and little obsessions.
  I was looking at her medical book and they were pumping shit into her when she was only 8 weeks old though.
When she was three or fourish I noticed her language seemed a little behind kids around her age and brought that up with the staff at her nursery school but they didn't think she was . There is definitely a difference now and she has recognised it herself, she said a while ago "I'm not very good at talking am I daddy?"  
Since her diagnosis we've tried to explain to her that she has ASD and that is why she gets upset about things most other children don't, and why she doesn't like certain words and noises. She hates to feel like the "odd one out"  and cried "why do I have to be the one to have ASD" she was happier when told there are lots of people with it and there were others in her class at school with it. I also explained there were also good things about having ASD " that's why  you knew all the alphabet when you were still two, count to a hundred and tell the time when you were still three etc. she has so many beautiful qualities I feel lucky to be her dad but life is painful for her, I can see that.

I can't put my hand up and say I'm convinced vaccines or immunisations caused her autism although I think it likely . There could well be a different cause with her but I'm convinced in many cases vaccines do cause and/or worsen symptoms of autism.

Thankfully she doesn't have bowel problems but for the last two years or so had a patch of eczema on her scalp and lost her hair where this patch started, I've found a natural cream that keeps it at bay better than any prescribed by the doctors.
I understand this can be down to sensitivity to certain foods and am currently trying to work out what it might be.
Interesting stuff about the bed springs, my daughter sleeps reasonably well, she goes to bed usually 8.30-9.00 and asleep between 10&11pm then rises naturally around 8am, she has said she is scared to sleep sometimes in case she has a bad dream but generally  seems to sleep peacefully.
Still she has a metal frame bed and I think a sprung mattress it would be interesting to see if she settled down easier in a timber frame and no springs bed. I'm open minded.

Anyway much to study, and I need some sleep myself now

Thanks all for your input.

[voxvot]

In any rational analysis, the fact that the first symptoms of autism manifest after the administration of vaccines, would be a reason to assume the possibility of a causal relationship. In an inversion of the normal scientific methodology the medical establishment have contrived to interpret evidence of a possible causal link as proof a non causal relationship. This is nonsense.

The established pattern in question is one in which parents either acknowledge some possible evidence for mild autistic symptoms based an a retrospective analysis of their child's behavior, or they have a child which has been developing perfectly normally, and subsequent to the administration of the MMR vaccine, the child in question, either asymptomatic, or exibiting possible mild symptoms, rapidly develops extreme symptoms and actually regresses in terms of development and behavior.

The medical establishment's claim is in every case based on an unproven and unresearched assumption, that, A. the retrospective diagnosis of symptoms by a medically unqualified parent, has full authoratative medical credibility, and B. that mild symptoms that could indicate autism, or autistic spectrum disorders will always and inevitably manifest, in the post vaccine timeline, as "full-blown" autism.

For these assumption to have any shred of credibility a control study would have to be carried out which would prove that, what are retrospectively diagnosed by parents as "pre-autistic" symptoms are not in fact normal variations in development that vary from child to child and are totally absent in children who do not go on to become diagnosed as autistic. The medical establishment don't seem to have conducted any such studies, and in the absence of these studies, it must be stated that their hypothesis is based on totally unqualified hearsay evidence.

The medical establishment gives the parent's opinions the weight of professional medical opinion when that opinion finds in favor of their hypothesis, however please note that this honorary status is withdrawm as soon as the self same parents contradict the establishment hypothesis by claiming that the MMR catalyzed a dramatic exacerbation of these symptoms.

There is also nothing in their general hypothesis that would contradict the evidence of observed events, that whatever symptoms were, or were not, present before the vaccines, were massively more present to the point of major regression after the administration of the vaccines, thus providing ample common sense reason for assuming a causal link.

Some parents acknowledge mild symptoms retrospectively, some parents acknowledge no symptoms retrospectively. In both cases none of these conclusions is based on an actual diagnosis from a qualified person. All of the parents notice a dramatic change after the administration of the vaccine. These changes are diagnosed by professionals.

This leads me to conclude that MMR causes autism.

[cammykaze]

Originally Posted by weeman

Slightly off topic perhaps; but a question that seems relevant [and too close to bloody home for my liking] with regard to consent.

Pretty straight forward really:

One parent wants their child vaccinated but the other parent disagrees.
I'm presuming the Mothers wishes will be honoured above the Fathers

.

I'm facing that situation at the moment myself, horrible. I'm very adamant about the MMR one though but I'm not getting much success with the others. I've sent links to website (which have probably not even been read). Any other suggestions?

[winegums]

Originally Posted by voxvot

In any rational analysis, the fact that the first symptoms of autism manifest after the administration of vaccines, would be a reason to assume the possibility of a causal relationship. In an inversion of the normal scientific methodology the medical establishment have contrived to interpret evidence of a possible causal link as proof a non causal relationship. This is nonsense.

Except there's extensive research showing no change of rate of incidence between vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. e.g.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/

[terrorworld]

Originally Posted by winegums

Was a direct challenge of your statement that the GMC are against all your alt med crap. Sarah myhill, who is by no means popular in sceptical circles, was found innocent by them. Surely they'd want to find her guilty to strike her off, no?

I 'like' those sceptics: Their talking is so blatantly idiotic, especially because they aren't sceptical nearly about anything within the parasitic standard school medicine (which is actually allopathy, opposed to homeopathy). The allopathic crap bases mostly on fancy theories, which are allegedly proven - proven (say: falsified) by psychopathic pharma cartel paid physicians/researchers.

I guess now why they are probably summing up thousands of surplus deaths during the winter months automatically (at least in some countries) among 'influenza victims' though this is not proven at all:
Could it be that these are the 'success' of the vaccinations?

Why am I so angry about these, IMO, bastards? Because they've concealed at least two possible 'alt med' (but one of them even used in official school medicine, too) possible cheap curing methods for my severe disease (lasting for more than 15 years, before I've found these possible cures) from me, which can't be dangerous at all. And I had been ready to pay these possible cures with my own money. If it wasn't punishable I'd go visiting at least two of these bastards and thrash them heavily downstairs, for what they've done to me.

[terrorworld]

Originally Posted by winegums

Except there's extensive research showing no change of rate of incidence between vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. e.g.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/

Assuming that you are not a 'satanic reptilian/Illuminati or hybrid', but a real human: You'll regret this government disinfo crap. Perhaps you don't know yet that this 2012 Mayan calendar End of Great Cycle, and Revelation (though not in each detail) are actually realities, there are proofs enough now for this.
Oh you're laughing now? Your laughters will grow mute soon, I can promise you (this is a warning from me, not a personal threat).

[terrorworld]

Originally Posted by grasshopper

I had a student some years ago - to her brother happend this...I think this does not mean that one has the tendency

the last time I became a vaccine I had the feeling I can not walk...its about 15 years ago and since than I dont vaccinate - I dont know if this is right but I dont trust

my little nephew became several vaccines a few weeks ago for a holiday and some days later he got high fever suddenly...the poor boy

I can guarantee that it isn't right to vaccinate. Why? Because the ingredients of the vaccines are not even made public! According to some websites, squalene (causing gulf war syndrome, and death) and a mercury compound were found by independent research within the pig flu vaccines (at least in Germany).

(PS: It isn't 'become' but 'obtain' in English, sorry for this little correction but some people perhaps won't understand this otherwise)

[winegums]

Originally Posted by terrorworld

I 'like' those sceptics: Their talking is so blatantly idiotic, especially because they aren't sceptical nearly about anything within the parasitic standard school medicine (which is actually allopathy, opposed to homeopathy). The allopathic crap bases mostly on fancy theories, which are allegedly proven - proven (say: falsified) by psychopathic pharma cartel paid physicians/researchers.

To what extent is medical research false? Is anatomy research false? Do we have arms, legs, lungs, livers? Are we made of cells? Does our blood contain proteins and hormones? The problem with the whole "big pharma funded lie" stuff is at some point you need to draw the line between the lie and truth, and nobody ever seems to good at that. I accept that drugs companies are shady, but to write off all of evidence-based medicine is just stupid. Then again, you're rambling about mayan calanders so I really shouldn't feed the troll...

[thecatsmeow]

Originally Posted by cammykaze

I'm facing that situation at the moment myself, horrible. I'm very adamant about the MMR one though but I'm not getting much success with the others. I've sent links to website (which have probably not even been read). Any other suggestions?

I don't know if you've looked at vactruth.com but all of the research is done by a professional scientific doctor and perhaps she'd be more inclined to listen to an expert?
I realise how difficult it must be for you to try and persuade someone whose mind is set. It's probably best to say as little as possible about it since, more often than not, they aren't listening
If you say a few carefully chosen phrases about why it's a bad idea to have your child vaccinated, that's probably about all you can do to persuade them.

[voxvot]

Originally Posted by winegums

Except there's extensive research showing no change of rate of incidence between vaccinated and non-vaccinated children. e.g.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1124634/

Follow up studies and statistics indicate that Doctor who conducted the study was either incompetent or dishonest. The Doctor involved is now under investigation for serious financial fraud and suspicion of forgery.

A re-run of the 2002 Danish MMR vaccination - autism study [2], but this time also including children aged five and over, rather than cutting off at four years old, found that the Danish autism rate had in fact risen eightfold over the period since the introduction of the MMR vaccination. [3]

The children aged five and over were added in because, in Denmark, a diagnosis of autism is never made until the age of five, so you would not expect to find any diagnoses of autism in the four and unders. Even were greater awareness and better diagnosis of autism judged to account for half of these cases (a very generous allowance), that would still leave an extremely significant fourfold increased risk.

The researchers accepted that they have not proven a link between MMR and autism, but claimed to have shown that the original study was fundamentally flawed. (which found no evidence of a link between the MMR vaccination and autism, and was widely publicised by the UK Department of Health).

A re-analysis of just the data used by the original 2002 Danish study by Dr Samy Suissa of McGill University in Montreal (Canada) [4] came up with an even more astonishing result. Contrary to the original ‘no link’ finding, diagnoses of autism within two years of an MMR vaccination increased to a high of 27.3 cases per 100,000 children compared with just 1.45 cases per 100,000 in non-vaccinated children. The children who had had the MMR vaccination were 45% more likely to have developed autism than the children who had not had the MMR vaccination.

A recent study by Dr Andrew Wakefield (who first suggested (1998) a possible link between the MMR vaccination and ‘regressive autism', where a child developing normally suddenly begins to regress) and Dr Carol Stott of Cambridge University showed that autism cases in Denmark had increased by 14.8% each year since MMR jabs were introduced