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Old 22-04-2012, 07:28 PM   #1
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Default Melanie Sykes vaccine bombshell on ITV.

On ITV's 'this morning' on Friday morning was an interview with Melanie Sykes talking about her experience with her autistic son. (I have an interest in this as I have worked with autistic adults for 15 years and my  six year old daughter has recently being diagnosed) 

Looking back Mel thinks her son was always autistic but things changed drastically following his measles jab.
(She says she had them done separately because of fears she had about MMR and autism.)
The interview can be seen on this link
http://www.itv.com/thismorning/healt...-autistic-son/
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Mel- "within two weeks (of the measles vaccine) he became very, very ill, any speech he did have completely disappeared. I've since been told if you have a predisposition which he clearly did have, it would have a knock on effect".

...interview guy then pipes up- "what do you think to that Doctor? You're nodding your head"

Token Doctor expert lady (looking a bit ruffled)- "that is the age where these symptoms come out anyway so I don't think it's down to vaccines"

Mel- "I know, I've heard that before but for me, in my experience it was a direct link"..

.. The interview is then moved swiftly on.

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Old 22-04-2012, 10:25 PM   #2
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Good on her for not being cowed down and speaking her mind as she sees it about what happened to her child.

My daughter was born at the height of the MMR scare. I asked my midwife about it and she turned to me and said, 'Officially I need to recommend that you get the MMR and that it's harmless. Unofficially, don't go there.' She went on to tell me that her sister's child had been adversely affected after having the MMR and went on to develop autism.
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Good on her for not being cowed down and speaking her mind as she sees it about what happened to her child.

My daughter was born at the height of the MMR scare. I asked my midwife about it and she turned to me and said, 'Officially I need to recommend that you get the MMR and that it's harmless. Unofficially, don't go there.' She went on to tell me that her sister's child had been adversely affected after having the MMR and went on to develop autism.
Sadly I didn't know then what I know now and allowed myself to be talked into it by the nurses despite my misgivings.

I've kinda avoided getting into this subject really through fear of ending up bitter and twisted, to think they may have damaged my daughter by injecting her with poisons as a baby has the potential to really fuck me off.

Seeing that interview with Mel Sykes though has sparked something in me and i'd like to channel my energy positively.

Is there any official campaigns I can get behind that seek to expose/find the truth of the dangers of vaccines, anybody?

Maybe I'll start my own. I can feel a petition coming on
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Old 27-04-2012, 11:00 AM   #4
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Hello Uprising, I suppose you know about Dr. Andrew Wakefield already, I suggest you might get a bit of 'satisfaction' by being up to date on his current situation, (I am not bang up to date myself) He is suing the BMA over his 'being struck off'.

Wakefield's treatment by the establishment is proof that the BMA acts in the interests of big pharma and not for 'us' the people who they are supposed to be working for.

You are doing an excellent job in keeping this forum informed and aware of Hollie Greig and her 'case'. There are a lot of parallels between the both cases.

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There are a few things you can do that might help your daughter as well, such as chelation therapy which removes any remaining mercury etc. and has shown to be of great benefit.
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Old 27-04-2012, 06:02 PM   #5
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Sadly I didn't know then what I know now and allowed myself to be talked into it by the nurses despite my misgivings.

I've kinda avoided getting into this subject really through fear of ending up bitter and twisted, to think they may have damaged my daughter by injecting her with poisons as a baby has the potential to really fuck me off.

Seeing that interview with Mel Sykes though has sparked something in me and i'd like to channel my energy positively.

Is there any official campaigns I can get behind that seek to expose/find the truth of the dangers of vaccines, anybody?

Maybe I'll start my own. I can feel a petition coming on
Well Uprising, I have made my own blog purely about vaccines and the potential dangers of their administration.

As a parent, I duly took my kids to have all their shots too. That was in the day when there was no internet to look up facts, then as a parent, I had only the word of the doctors that I was doing the right thing.

Imagine how I feel now to my horror all these years later that I too was duped and fooled into the mercury era.

There is no excuse now in these days of enlightenment, for anybody to be in the dark about vaccines and the dangers when the internet offers a plethora of information.

So, as close as I could get to making my own petition, I made a blog purely about vaccines and their dangers in the hope that if anybody was confused about which way to go with this dilemma, that they would at least be forewarned and make the best choice for their child(ren).

Have a look now and leave a comment if you wish and put your own voice and thoughts out there for others to read here......

http://vaccinesdonotwork.blogspot.com/

PS. Don't beat yourself up about your daughter, you did what you thought was right at the time with the information you had.
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Old 27-04-2012, 08:17 PM   #6
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Interesting that its the mmr that seems primarily responsible for autism. The dpt seems most responsible for SIDS and falsely diagnosed "shaken baby syndrome"
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Old 27-04-2012, 09:28 PM   #7
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Wakefield's treatment by the establishment is proof that the BMA acts in the interests of big pharma and not for 'us' the people who they are supposed to be working for.
Aside from the fact this is blatant bullshit, what about the fact that they found Sarah Myhill, one of this forums' darling doctors, innocent of misconduct?
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"Is there any official campaigns I can get behind that seek to expose/find the truth of the dangers of vaccines, anybody?"

Try vactruth.com
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Aside from the fact this is blatant bullshit, what about the fact that they found Sarah Myhill, one of this forums' darling doctors, innocent of misconduct?
You are the most blatant bullshitting troll on this thread and you are right at the top as far as the whole forum is concerned, you just cry bullshit then try to drag irrelevant people into the thread using my post as an excuse for your trolling, just crawl back up there ...go on right back upthere.
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You are the most blatant bullshitting troll on this thread and you are right at the top as far as the whole forum is concerned, you just cry bullshit then try to drag irrelevant people into the thread using my post as an excuse for your trolling, just crawl back up there ...go on right back upthere.
Was a direct challenge of your statement that the GMC are against all your alt med crap. Sarah myhill, who is by no means popular in sceptical circles, was found innocent by them. Surely they'd want to find her guilty to strike her off, no?

Which of the following is false, then?

Sarah myhill was given a GMC hearing
Sarah myhill was found innocent at the GMC hearing
Sarah myhill is popular around this forum section as some ME/CFS queen.
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Was a direct challenge of your statement that the GMC are against all your alt med crap. Sarah myhill, who is by no means popular in sceptical circles, was found innocent by them. Surely they'd want to find her guilty to strike her off, no?

Which of the following is false, then?

Sarah myhill was given a GMC hearing
Sarah myhill was found innocent at the GMC hearing
Sarah myhill is popular around this forum section as some ME/CFS queen.

I'm sure you're aware that you are presenting a strawman argument:-

Person A holds position X
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X)
Person B attacks position Y
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed

(btw think yourself lucky that you don't have, or care for someone, with severe myalgic encephalomyelitis. If you did you might have to eat crow and seek help from the likes of Sarah Myhill, who is one of the few GP's in the country that recognises the biomedical and neurological basis of this disease.)
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Nice to see this coming out on mainstream, the only thing that is bullshit is what we have been indoctrinated into.
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Hello Uprising, I suppose you know about Dr. Andrew Wakefield already, I suggest you might get a bit of 'satisfaction' by being up to date on his current situation, (I am not bang up to date myself) He is suing the BMA over his 'being struck off'.

Wakefield's treatment by the establishment is proof that the BMA acts in the interests of big pharma and not for 'us' the people who they are supposed to be working for.

You are doing an excellent job in keeping this forum informed and aware of Hollie Greig and her 'case'. There are a lot of parallels between the both cases.

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There are a few things you can do that might help your daughter as well, such as chelation therapy which removes any remaining mercury etc. and has shown to be of great benefit.
Thanks jimmi, you are most kind.
Yes I know of Andrew Wakefield and bookmarked this page -
http://www.ageofautism.com/2011/10/a...the-truth.html the other day when browsing, also I'm going to by his book 'callous disregard' I wish to get to know more about him and his work.

I've just had a quick look at the chelation therapy, I can't imagine my daughter would be up for that, it would be too traumatic for her, maybe later in life though. I see there's some vitamin therapies advertised On some sites, I'll look into that. Thankfully her "symptoms" are quite mild compared with many kids. She's one of four kids just in her class at school diagnosed with ASD.
I bet that doesn't reflect with the national averages.

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Well Uprising, I have made my own blog purely about vaccines and the potential dangers of their administration.

As a parent, I duly took my kids to have all their shots too. That was in the day when there was no internet to look up facts, then as a parent, I had only the word of the doctors that I was doing the right thing.

Imagine how I feel now to my horror all these years later that I too was duped and fooled into the mercury era.

There is no excuse now in these days of enlightenment, for anybody to be in the dark about vaccines and the dangers when the internet offers a plethora of information.

So, as close as I could get to making my own petition, I made a blog purely about vaccines and their dangers in the hope that if anybody was confused about which way to go with this dilemma, that they would at least be forewarned and make the best choice for their child(ren).

Have a look now and leave a comment if you wish and put your own voice and thoughts out there for others to read here......

http://vaccinesdonotwork.blogspot.com/

PS. Don't beat yourself up about your daughter, you did what you thought was right at the time with the information you had.
Great stuff thanks I'll have a good look at that. I did come across it as it happens, around when I started this thread. I was reading about the monkeys with autism.

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"Is there any official campaigns I can get behind that seek to expose/find the truth of the dangers of vaccines, anybody?"

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Thanks I'll check that out .

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Here's a recent interview with Andrew Wakefield i've just come across.



Dr. Andrew Wakefield reveals real story behind vaccines, autism and more

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 by: NaturalNews

(NaturalNews) In an interview on The Robert Scott Bell Show, Dr. Andrew Wakefield talks about vaccines and autism, the MMR vaccine, the General Medical Council's case against John Walker Smith and many other important issues pertaining to vaccines. Also discussed is the story of Patti Finn, a New York attorney who was attacked viscously by her own professions simply for offering people informed consent and working on the unconstitutionality of the lack of vaccine exemptions in her State.

Robert Scott Bell: The autism community came together, we had a great event, they were supporting you and raising some funds for your legal efforts to go after the British Medical Journal, Brian Deer, etc. and now we're learning of some tremendous news. This week after the expo, your co-author on the Lancet MMR paper, Professor John Walker Smith was exonerated, won a legal appeal.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield: Absolutely, in the High Court in the UK, the long awaited outcome of John Walker Smith's appeal. People who don't know, John Walker Smith is one of the founding fathers of pediatric gastroenterology in the world, he is an outstanding physician and very, very well respected and a leader in the field, a teacher of so many of today's young pediatric gastroenterologists. Back in 1998 we published in the Lancet on the discovery of a new bowel disease in children with autism and an association in time that the parents had made with MMR vaccine and for that, for those efforts, he was in an effort I think to get me to stop vaccine safety research, to send a message to everybody else, he lost his medical license along with me. He was allowed to appeal, I couldn't afford to but he was funded to appeal and he was completely and utterly exonerated in the high court. The judge issued a resounding condemnation of, I think in legal terms, at least in my opinion, the way in which the General Medical Council's case was handled. Asking why would a man of this caliber even consider taking a risk in effect. That's my reading of the opinion, but you know some of the criticisms of the GMC were very, very harsh and it may interest the readers- here you may think that there would be experts in research and experts in pediatric gastroenterology and child psychiatry sitting on the panel to judge this doctor, but there weren't. There were two lay people, one general practitioner with no experience in research, and rather than having a child psychiatrist they had an adult psychiatrist and rather than having a pediatrician they had a geriatrician. So right from the outset you can see how flawed the process was.......................continued at

http://www.naturalnews.com/035513_An...es_autism.html
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Here's a recent interview with Andrew Wakefield i've just come across.



Dr. Andrew Wakefield reveals real story behind vaccines, autism and more

Tuesday, April 10, 2012 by: NaturalNews

(NaturalNews) In an interview on The Robert Scott Bell Show, Dr. Andrew Wakefield talks about vaccines and autism, the MMR vaccine, the General Medical Council's case against John Walker Smith and many other important issues pertaining to vaccines. Also discussed is the story of Patti Finn, a New York attorney who was attacked viscously by her own professions simply for offering people informed consent and working on the unconstitutionality of the lack of vaccine exemptions in her State.

Robert Scott Bell: The autism community came together, we had a great event, they were supporting you and raising some funds for your legal efforts to go after the British Medical Journal, Brian Deer, etc. and now we're learning of some tremendous news. This week after the expo, your co-author on the Lancet MMR paper, Professor John Walker Smith was exonerated, won a legal appeal.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield: Absolutely, in the High Court in the UK, the long awaited outcome of John Walker Smith's appeal. People who don't know, John Walker Smith is one of the founding fathers of pediatric gastroenterology in the world, he is an outstanding physician and very, very well respected and a leader in the field, a teacher of so many of today's young pediatric gastroenterologists. Back in 1998 we published in the Lancet on the discovery of a new bowel disease in children with autism and an association in time that the parents had made with MMR vaccine and for that, for those efforts, he was in an effort I think to get me to stop vaccine safety research, to send a message to everybody else, he lost his medical license along with me. He was allowed to appeal, I couldn't afford to but he was funded to appeal and he was completely and utterly exonerated in the high court. The judge issued a resounding condemnation of, I think in legal terms, at least in my opinion, the way in which the General Medical Council's case was handled. Asking why would a man of this caliber even consider taking a risk in effect. That's my reading of the opinion, but you know some of the criticisms of the GMC were very, very harsh and it may interest the readers- here you may think that there would be experts in research and experts in pediatric gastroenterology and child psychiatry sitting on the panel to judge this doctor, but there weren't. There were two lay people, one general practitioner with no experience in research, and rather than having a child psychiatrist they had an adult psychiatrist and rather than having a pediatrician they had a geriatrician. So right from the outset you can see how flawed the process was.......................continued at

http://www.naturalnews.com/035513_An...es_autism.html
Excellent, cheers.
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I've just had a quick look at the chelation therapy, I can't imagine my daughter would be up for that, it would be too traumatic for her, maybe later in life though. I see there's some vitamin therapies advertised On some sites, I'll look into that. Thankfully her "symptoms" are quite mild compared with many kids. She's one of four kids just in her class at school diagnosed with ASD.
I bet that doesn't reflect with the national averages.
There are simpler things you can try and they can also be very effective:

Clay is a substance that can chelate toxins. A very effective method is to use clay baths to draw the toxins out through the skin. An internal way of using clay is to take liquid zeolite.

http://www.clayforautism.com/detoxif...Fc4LtAodLlX4Cw

All the best, o
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There are simpler things you can try and they can also be very effective:

Clay is a substance that can chelate toxins. A very effective method is to use clay baths to draw the toxins out through the skin. An internal way of using clay is to take liquid zeolite.

http://www.clayforautism.com/detoxif...Fc4LtAodLlX4Cw

All the best, o
Thanks I've had a look at the clay and some kids chelat drops which I might give a try, I need to do some more research though first, it seems there are precautions to consider but as with most things its difficult to tell what's propaganda and what isn't.

Do you know of anyone that's tried any of these methods?
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Thanks I've had a look at the clay and some kids chelat drops which I might give a try, I need to do some more research though first, it seems there are precautions to consider but as with most things its difficult to tell what's propaganda and what isn't.

Do you know of anyone that's tried any of these methods?
Get a book by Doctor Andrew Cutler - 'Amalgam Illness'. In it he describes how mercury and metals can be safely chelated, he detoxed himself, and went on to write the book, it's very informative.

Also have a look on www.curezone.com for lots of tips from people who have done it.

My detox took 2 years, in fact it is an ongoing process. It wasn't easy, but well worth the results. (i had 'real' ADD, and now it's gone)
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