Christianity: A Symptom of a Much Larger Disease

[michaelsherlock]

Christians often ask me, why I hate Christianity. To this charge, I usually respond by saying; I do not hate Christianity at all, just as a doctor does not hate a given symptom of a virus, or disease. She merely attempts to treat it and if possible, cure the disease or virus which has caused it. Christianity, as with Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Communism, Capitalism, Nationalism, Darwinism, is not a virus in and of itself, but rather, it is a symptom of a greater illness. The disease which lies at the core of this symptom and ones like it is fear. Our fear of suffering spawns beliefs, established to appease the psychological pressure we experience as a result of such fear. Religious beliefs often have an inbuilt sedative for the human being’s most primal fear, that being, mortality (see religious beliefs, re: afterlife, re-birth/re-incarnation and immortality).

Yet, this is not the fear I am primarily concerned with. The fear I am attempting to address is the fear inspired by uncertainty, the fear of the unknown, which motivates an individual to produce and maintain a belief, in order to avoid such uncertainty.

In his dialogue entitled ‘The Urgency of Change’, Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti said:

Through experience you hope to touch the truth of your belief, to prove it to yourself, but this belief conditions your experience. It isn't that the experience comes to prove the belief, but rather that the belief begets the experience. Your belief in God will give you the experience of what you call God. You will always experience what you believe and nothing else. And this invalidates your experience. The Christian will see virgins, angels and Christ, and the Hindu will see similar deities in extravagant plurality. The Muslim, the Buddhist, the Jew and the Communist are the same. Belief conditions its own supposed proof. What is important is not what you believe but only why you believe at all. Why do you believe? And what difference does it make to what actually is whether you believe one thing or another? Facts are not influenced by belief or disbelief. So one has to ask why one believes at all in anything; what is the basis of belief? Is it fear, is it the uncertainty of life - the fear of the unknown the lack of security in this ever-changing world? Is it the insecurity of relationship, or is it that faced with the immensity of life, and not understanding it, one encloses oneself in the refuge of belief? So, if I may ask you, if you had no fear at all, would you have any belief? (1)

Unfortunately this false certainty has created and continues to create, more problems for both the individual and society as a whole, than the temporary relief it brings to the lazy and cowardly believer. Some of the problems created by the ill-gotten certainty afforded by the belief include, but are not limited to:

1. War (religious/political/ethnic/nationalistic
2. Genocide
3. Religious persecution
4. Bigotry
5. Racism
6. Social inequality
7. Gender inequality
8. Wilful ignorance
9. Psychological development (see; Neurosis, Paranoia, psychosis, xenophobia, egocentrism, and narcissism for just a few examples)

To illustrate some of the chaos caused by belief induced certainty, in particular, religious certainty, I would like to quote from the work of neuroscientist and philosopher, Sam Harris, who, in his book ‘The End of Faith,’ said:

Indeed, religion is as much a living spring of violence today as it was at any time in the past. The recent conflicts in Palestine (Jews v. Muslims), the Balkans (Orthodox Serbians v. Catholic Croatians; Orthodox Serbians v. Bosnian and Albanian Muslims), Northern Ireland (Protestants v. Catholics), Kashmir (Muslims v. Hindus), Sudan (Muslims v. Christians and animists), Nigeria (Muslims v. Christians), Ethiopia and Eritrea (Muslims v. Christians), Sri Lanka (Sinhalese Buddhists v. Tamil Hindus), Indonesia (Muslims v. Timorese Christians), and the Caucasus (Orthodox Russians v. Chechen Muslims; Muslim Azerbaijanis v. Catholic and Orthodox Armenians) are merely a few cases in point. In these places religion has been the explicit cause of literally millions of deaths in the last ten years. These events should strike us like psychological experiments run amok, for that is what they are.(2)

Moreover, when we believe something, we have arrived at the conclusion of a given thought process and so true unencumbered thought ceases, along with the person’s journey toward individuation and selfhood.

In the words of Robert A. Wilson:

My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where the absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended.(3)

We “know” that such and such is “true” and so stop seeking further information, particularly with regards to information that comes into conflict with our belief.

Psychologists refer to the strategy employed by believers to avoid the disconfirmation of a belief, as ‘disconfirmation bias (pertains to negative info.) and confirmation bias (pertains to positive info.).’ This disconfirmation bias seems to be utilized by the believer to avoid cognitive dissonance, which is a kind of mental and emotional suffering, brought about by the holding of two contradictory beliefs and ideas simultaneously. (for a good survey of this subject see; Leon Festinger. Theory of Cognitive Dissonance. Stanford University Press (1957); Festinger, L., Riecken, H. W., & Schachter, S. When Prophecy fails. University of Minnesota Press. (1956); Lorne L. Dawson. When Prophecy Fails and Faith Persists: A theoretical Overview. University of California Press. (1999); and Adam Kowol. The Theory of Cognitive Dissonance. http://works.adamkowol.info)

When dissonance occurs in the mind of the believer, it is usually the pre-established belief that wins the day (further, see; confirmation bias and ‘primacy’), albeit by dubious means. The rationalization process, adaptational strategies and self-delusion that prevents a believer from growing past their beliefs, has underscored some of the most insane thinking and behaviour throughout human history, yet its most tragic consequence has been the protection of those who have gained power of the masses by relying on these psychological defects in those they control. All a leader need do to achieve a desired outcome from a non-thinking/believing public, is push the right emotional buttons and trigger a reaction that would be unavailable to them, if people would only stop believing so much and begin to think. This is where we get into the issue of dependency, or as the brilliant scientist, Wilhelm Reich called it, “chronic dependency.” Our earthly masters who control us via, religion, politics, media, academia, trend manufacturing and various other means, have achieved this control by making us dependent.

Taking a leaf out of the pages of Immanuel Kant’s works:

Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance, nevertheless gladly remain immature for life. For the same reasons, it is all too easy for others to set themselves up as their guardians. It is so convenient to be immature! If I have a book to have understanding in place of me, a spiritual adviser to have a conscience for me, a doctor to judge my diet for me, and so on, I need not make any efforts at all. I need not think, so long as I can pay; others will soon enough take the tiresome job over for me. The guardians who have kindly taken upon themselves the work of supervision will soon see to it that by far the largest part of mankind should consider the step forward to maturity not only as difficult but also as highly dangerous. Having first infatuated their domesticated animals, and carefully prevented the docile creatures from daring to take a single step without the leading-strings to which they are tied, they next show them the danger which threatens them if they try to walk unaided. Now this danger is not in fact so very great, for they would certainly learn to walk eventually after a few falls. But an example of this kind is intimidating, and usually frightens them off from further attempts. (4)

So when I attack the religion of Christianity, please do not take it personally, for Christianity is merely the symptom of a greater virus.


1. Jiddu Krishnamurti. The Urgency of Change. Harper and Row. (1977) Pg. 98-99.

2. Sam Harris. The End of Faith. W.W. Norton. (2005). Pg. 26.

3. Robert Anton Wilson. Cosmic Trigger. Vol. 1: Final Secret of the Illuminati.
New Falcon Publications. (1977). Pg. Preface ii.

4. Immanuel Kant: An Answer to the Question: What is Enlightenment? Konigsberg in Prussia, 30th September, (1784). Pg. 1-2.

This work is the intellectual property of Michael Sherlock and may only be used if he is either referenced, or asked permission.

[arjuna12]

Krishnamurti... wasn't he the Theosophical Societies first attempt at a Maitreya (the so-called world teacher).
It failed miserably because he didn't want to play their deceptive game.
Meanwhile, Benjamin Creme is spruiking the new Maitreya who will soon be revealed to the world (according to him).
He is the 'false prophet' who will herald the 'antichrist' and they both will deceive the world into accepting a NWO.
It's all so predictable!

All this hatred of Christianity is laughable in the face of the massive rape, torture, mind-control and ritual murder of millions of children around the world.
Meanwhile those with agenda's to push, deny it's even happening.

Shame on you!

A quote from Breaking The Silence, an Australian book about child abuse.
"Statistics kept by sexual assault services in Canberra showed that during two sample weeks in 1995 they were contacted by more women stating that they had been ritually abused than by rape victims. The Sydney Rape Crisis Centre received 584 calls between July 1994 and June 1995 from women who identified themselves as ritual abuse survivors."

[michaelsherlock]

Krishnamurti... wasn't he the Theosophical Societies first attempt at a Maitreya (the so-called world teacher).
It failed miserably because he didn't want to play their deceptive game.

And your point is?

Have you read his works? If not then I would urge you to heed the words of Einstein, who said; "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance."

Further, you seem to be supporting the honesty and integrity of Krishnamurti.

Meanwhile, Benjamin Creme is spruiking the new Maitreya who will soon be revealed to the world (according to him).
He is the 'false prophet' who will herald the 'antichrist' and they both will deceive the world into accepting a NWO.
It's all so predictable!

All this hatred of Christianity is laughable in the face of the massive rape, torture, mind-control and ritual murder of millions of children around the world.
Meanwhile those with agenda's to push, deny it's even happening.

Everything you have said here, reflects nothing more than your "map of reality." It becomes very dangerous when we mistake that map, for the territory of which is surveys. Food for thought.

Shame on you!

Emotional comment. You seemed to have proven my point!

A quote from Breaking The Silence, an Australian book about child abuse.
"Statistics kept by sexual assault services in Canberra showed that during two sample weeks in 1995 they were contacted by more women stating that they had been ritually abused than by rape victims. The Sydney Rape Crisis Centre received 584 calls between July 1994 and June 1995 from women who identified themselves as ritual abuse survivors."[/QUOTE]

[chrysalis55]

I'm happy to have this "virus". I'll tell you that for me, I became FAR less anxious, FAR happier and FAR better adjusted when I discovered that:

1. Love conquers ALL.
2. God is Love.

[michaelsherlock]

Originally Posted by chrysalis55

I'm happy to have this "virus". I'll tell you that for me, I became FAR less anxious, FAR happier and FAR better adjusted when I discovered that:

1. Love conquers ALL.
2. God is Love.

I am glad you are happy, truely I am. But your happiness should not, in my opinion, be your ultimate goal. For such a goal is selfish, in my opinion. This world is full of misery, suffering and chaos, and we are of no assistance, when we simply hide within a belief system that provides us with a kind of selfish security.

Finally, your comment reminded me of a quote by George Bernard Shaw, who said:

"The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

[martg]

The only 'disease' in this world is people telling others what to think.
yes that includes aspects of Christianity, it also includes this thread.

What others believe is none of your business
I'm not a christian btw.
just someone who values freedom.

[chrysalis55]

Originally Posted by michaelsherlock

I am glad you are happy, truely I am. But your happiness should not, in my opinion, be your ultimate goal. For such a goal is selfish, in my opinion. This world is full of misery, suffering and chaos, and we are of no assistance, when we simply hide within a belief system that provides us with a kind of selfish security.

Finally, your comment reminded me of a quote by George Bernard Shaw, who said:

"The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

It is not selfish to be happy. When I am happy, the people around me are happier because, as you should know, we are energy and we give off energy. When we are unhappy, people around us feel our negative energy. Even my dogs change when I am "down in the dumps". There is much more to this than believing in God and that God is love. I do not hide within a "belief system" which gives me selfish security. Geez, that is just bs. But I see what your agenda is, so have at it.

[michaelsherlock]

The only 'disease' in this world is people telling others what to think.

I agree. I think, in my opinion, we should be teaching ourselves, HOW to think.

yes that includes aspects of Christianity, it also includes this thread.

I am not telling people what to think, but rather, how to think. How to free the mind from the belief system, and this is my purpose. I do not condemn Christians, I have many Christian friends and I respect many Christian scholars, yet, I have my opinion, and that is all it is, my opinion.

What others believe is none of your business

This is true to an extent. If what others believe has the potential to cause chaos, then it becomes everyone's business, whether it be Christianity or Darwinism, we should be "free" to question it.

I'm not a christian btw.

I do not care.

just someone who values freedom.

What is freedom, and how can we achieve it?

[ultimate_warlord]

Originally Posted by michaelsherlock

Christians often ask me, why I hate Christianity. To this charge, I usually respond by saying; I do not hate Christianity at all, just as a doctor does not hate a given symptom of a virus, or disease. She merely attempts to treat it and if possible, cure the disease or virus which has caused it. Christianity, as with Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Communism, Capitalism, Nationalism, Darwinism, is not a virus in and of itself, but rather, it is a symptom of a greater illness. The disease which lies at the core of this symptom and ones like it is fear. Our fear of suffering spawns beliefs, established to appease the psychological pressure we experience as a result of such fear. Religious beliefs often have an inbuilt sedative for the human being’s most primal fear, that being, mortality (see religious beliefs, re: afterlife, re-birth/re-incarnation and immortality).

Yet, this is not the fear I am primarily concerned with. The fear I am attempting to address is the fear inspired by uncertainty, the fear of the unknown, which motivates an individual to produce and maintain a belief, in order to avoid such uncertainty.

In his dialogue entitled ‘The Urgency of Change’, Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti said:

Through experience you hope to touch the truth of your belief, to prove it to yourself, but this belief conditions your experience. It isn't that the experience comes to prove the belief, but rather that the belief begets the experience. Your belief in God will give you the experience of what you call God. You will always experience what you believe and nothing else. And this invalidates your experience. The Christian will see virgins, angels and Christ, and the Hindu will see similar deities in extravagant plurality. The Muslim, the Buddhist, the Jew and the Communist are the same. Belief conditions its own supposed proof. What is important is not what you believe but only why you believe at all. Why do you believe? And what difference does it make to what actually is whether you believe one thing or another? Facts are not influenced by belief or disbelief. So one has to ask why one believes at all in anything; what is the basis of belief? Is it fear, is it the uncertainty of life - the fear of the unknown the lack of security in this ever-changing world? Is it the insecurity of relationship, or is it that faced with the immensity of life, and not understanding it, one encloses oneself in the refuge of belief? So, if I may ask you, if you had no fear at all, would you have any belief? (1)

Unfortunately this false certainty has created and continues to create, more problems for both the individual and society as a whole, than the temporary relief it brings to the lazy and cowardly believer. Some of the problems created by the ill-gotten certainty afforded by the belief include, but are not limited to:

1. War (religious/political/ethnic/nationalistic
2. Genocide
3. Religious persecution
4. Bigotry
5. Racism
6. Social inequality
7. Gender inequality
8. Wilful ignorance
9. Psychological development (see; Neurosis, Paranoia, psychosis, xenophobia, egocentrism, and narcissism for just a few examples)

To illustrate some of the chaos caused by belief induced certainty, in particular, religious certainty, I would like to quote from the work of neuroscientist and philosopher, Sam Harris, who, in his book ‘The End of Faith,’ said:

Indeed, religion is as much a living spring of violence today as it was at any time in the past. The recent conflicts in Palestine (Jews v. Muslims), the Balkans (Orthodox Serbians v. Catholic Croatians; Orthodox Serbians v. Bosnian and Albanian Muslims), Northern Ireland (Protestants v. Catholics), Kashmir (Muslims v. Hindus), Sudan (Muslims v. Christians and animists), Nigeria (Muslims v. Christians), Ethiopia and Eritrea (Muslims v. Christians), Sri Lanka (Sinhalese Buddhists v. Tamil Hindus), Indonesia (Muslims v. Timorese Christians), and the Caucasus (Orthodox Russians v. Chechen Muslims; Muslim Azerbaijanis v. Catholic and Orthodox Armenians) are merely a few cases in point. In these places religion has been the explicit cause of literally millions of deaths in the last ten years. These events should strike us like psychological experiments run amok, for that is what they are.(2)

Moreover, when we believe something, we have arrived at the conclusion of a given thought process and so true unencumbered thought ceases, along with the person’s journey toward individuation and selfhood.

In the words of Robert A. Wilson:

My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where the absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended.(3)

We “know” that such and such is “true” and so stop seeking further information, particularly with regards to information that comes into conflict with our belief.

Psychologists refer to the strategy employed by believers to avoid the disconfirmation of a belief, as ‘disconfirmation bias (pertains to negative info.) and confirmation bias (pertains to positive info.).’ This disconfirmation bias seems to be utilized by the believer to avoid cognitive dissonance, which is a kind of mental and emotional suffering, brought about by the holding of two contradictory beliefs and ideas simultaneously. (for a good survey of this subject see; Leon Festinger. Theory of Cognitive Dissonance. Stanford University Press (1957); Festinger, L., Riecken, H. W., & Schachter, S. When Prophecy fails. University of Minnesota Press. (1956); Lorne L. Dawson. When Prophecy Fails and Faith Persists: A theoretical Overview. University of California Press. (1999); and Adam Kowol. The Theory of Cognitive Dissonance. http://works.adamkowol.info)

When dissonance occurs in the mind of the believer, it is usually the pre-established belief that wins the day (further, see; confirmation bias and ‘primacy’), albeit by dubious means. The rationalization process, adaptational strategies and self-delusion that prevents a believer from growing past their beliefs, has underscored some of the most insane thinking and behaviour throughout human history, yet its most tragic consequence has been the protection of those who have gained power of the masses by relying on these psychological defects in those they control. All a leader need do to achieve a desired outcome from a non-thinking/believing public, is push the right emotional buttons and trigger a reaction that would be unavailable to them, if people would only stop believing so much and begin to think. This is where we get into the issue of dependency, or as the brilliant scientist, Wilhelm Reich called it, “chronic dependency.” Our earthly masters who control us via, religion, politics, media, academia, trend manufacturing and various other means, have achieved this control by making us dependent.

Taking a leaf out of the pages of Immanuel Kant’s works:

Laziness and cowardice are the reasons why such a large proportion of men, even when nature has long emancipated them from alien guidance, nevertheless gladly remain immature for life. For the same reasons, it is all too easy for others to set themselves up as their guardians. It is so convenient to be immature! If I have a book to have understanding in place of me, a spiritual adviser to have a conscience for me, a doctor to judge my diet for me, and so on, I need not make any efforts at all. I need not think, so long as I can pay; others will soon enough take the tiresome job over for me. The guardians who have kindly taken upon themselves the work of supervision will soon see to it that by far the largest part of mankind should consider the step forward to maturity not only as difficult but also as highly dangerous. Having first infatuated their domesticated animals, and carefully prevented the docile creatures from daring to take a single step without the leading-strings to which they are tied, they next show them the danger which threatens them if they try to walk unaided. Now this danger is not in fact so very great, for they would certainly learn to walk eventually after a few falls. But an example of this kind is intimidating, and usually frightens them off from further attempts. (4)

So when I attack the religion of Christianity, please do not take it personally, for Christianity is merely the symptom of a greater virus.


1. Jiddu Krishnamurti. The Urgency of Change. Harper and Row. (1977) Pg. 98-99.

2. Sam Harris. The End of Faith. W.W. Norton. (2005). Pg. 26.

3. Robert Anton Wilson. Cosmic Trigger. Vol. 1: Final Secret of the Illuminati.
New Falcon Publications. (1977). Pg. Preface ii.

4. Immanuel Kant: An Answer to the Question: What is Enlightenment? Konigsberg in Prussia, 30th September, (1784). Pg. 1-2.

This work is the intellectual property of Michael Sherlock and may only be used if he is either referenced, or asked permission.

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[michaelsherlock]

Originally Posted by ultimate_warlord

THIS IS AN IMMENSELY IMPORTANT POST.
,+1 ZILLION KUDOS TO YOU michaelsherlock

Wow! Thank you very much. Your comment is very humbling.

[martg]

Originally Posted by michaelsherlock

I agree. I think, in my opinion, we should be teaching ourselves, HOW to think.




I am not telling people what to think, but rather, how to think. How to free the mind from the belief system, and this is my purpose. I do not condemn Christians, I have many Christian friends and I respect many Christian scholars, yet, I have my opinion, and that is all it is, my opinion.



This is true to an extent. If what others believe has the potential to cause chaos, then it becomes everyone's business, whether it be Christianity or Darwinism, we should be "free" to question it.



I do not care.



What is freedom, and how can we achieve it?

you made some good points, but I instinctively react against anyone descibing someone with different beliefs as 'diseased'
It's disrespectful and is by definition an arbitrary judgement, therefore rooted in ego.
There are millions of Christians in this world, all different from each other, just as there is no single Islamic or Judaic voice.

It's really not down to what belief systems another person holds but how they treat their fellow human beings and whether they try to impose beliefs on others, and that sort of behaviour has nothing to do with religion.
I can think of many people that try to impose beliefs on others, some religious, some scientific and some political.

You said it yourself, beliefs systems have the potential to cause chaos, but most of the belief systems that are currently destroying this world have nothing to do with religion.
Goldman Sachs economics and neo-con militarism for example.

So it's not down to belief systems or any one religion, the problem is people imposing their will on others.

I'm sure you already know what freedom is, self governance in thought, action and spirit.
How we achieve it is a more difficult question that I cannot answer.

[michaelsherlock]

It is not selfish to be happy. When I am happy, the people around me are happier because, as you should know, we are energy and we give off energy.

I agree. However, it should not, in my opinion, be your primary objective, in a world which needs all hands on deck (cognitively speaking). You and I do not deserve to be happy, nor is it appropriate to be "well adjusted," in the words of Krishnamurti; It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" and unfortunately, the world is a sick place. Christianity, Islam, Captialism, Communism, have not delivered on thier shallow promises, nor have they contributed to the betterment of our species, instead, they have divided us up into little pens and pit us against one another. So forgive me if I do not see personal happiness as the ultimate goal of life, when so much work needs to be done!

When we are unhappy, people around us feel our negative energy.

It is not about being unhappy either. You seem to think to extremes. You can be active and happy, and of course at times unhappy, this is just how a balanced mind works. If you are happy all the time, I would recommend that you see a mental health care professional.

I do not hide within a "belief system" which gives me selfish security. Geez, that is just bs.

Ok then! I have some questions for you.

1. what happens when we die?
2. Was the world and universe created or did it just come about by itself?
3. Was Jesus the son of God?
4. Was Mohhamed the true divine prophet chosen by God/Allah?
5. Is there a God?
6. Which religion is closest to the truth about this God and his/her wants and desires?
7. Did God have a sex change?
8. Is Jesus his mother's husband, and his own grandfather?

But I see what your agenda is, so have at it.

What is my agenda?

[emerald]

Originally Posted by chrysalis55

I'm happy to have this "virus". I'll tell you that for me, I became FAR less anxious, FAR happier and FAR better adjusted when I discovered that:

1. Love conquers ALL.
2. God is Love.

Happy (retard) slave. Love conquers all? Where? In ur ass? Why dont u tell that to children butchered in wars? To those who suffer from terrible diseases? Who are staving? Stuff ur god in a place that doesnt see the light! Now report me coz u are discriminated, go ahead, what ure waiting for? Leper Messiah?

[chrysalis55]

Originally Posted by michaelsherlock

I agree. However, it should not, in my opinion, be your primary objective, in a world which needs all hands on deck (cognitively speaking). You and I do not deserve to be happy, nor is it appropriate to be "well adjusted," in the words of Krishnamurti; It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" and unfortunately, the world is a sick place. Christianity, Islam, Captialism, Communism, have not delivered on thier shallow promises, nor have they contributed to the betterment of our species, instead, they have divided us up into little pens and pit us against one another. So forgive me if I do not see personal happiness as the ultimate goal of life, when so much work needs to be done!



.


It is not about being unhappy either. You seem to think to extremes. You can be active and happy, and of course at times unhappy, this is just how a balanced mind works. If you are happy all the time, I would recommend that you see a mental health care professional.



Ok then! I have some questions for you.

1. what happens when we die?
2. Was the world and universe created or did it just come about by itself?
3. Was Jesus the son of God?
4. Was Mohhamed the true divine prophet chosen by God/Allah?
5. Is there a God?
6. Which religion is closest to the truth about this God and his/her wants and desires?
7. Did God have a sex change?
8. Is Jesus his mother's husband, and his own grandfather?



What is my agenda?

Well, you don't know me and I don't know you, only by what is posted on here. I do what I can in my own humble way to make changes in the world. Right now I am taking care of two small children whose parents are both drug addicts. This afternoon I am driving a friend to her chemo appointment. Two small examples of things done out of love. Where does love come from? From God. Where is God? Inside all of us. Do we all tap into it? No. Are we happier when we do? Yes. Where do we go when we die? Back to our creator. Should we fight over religion and who is right and who is wrong? No, find what suits you and what feels right in your heart. Did God have a sex change? lol God is light, love and energy. Not a he, not a she. I think everyone has a right to believe in what they believe in. I don't feel there is only one truth, but there is only one God, just different paths.
What is your agenda? The same as many people on here, to show the world just how wrong Christianity is? Am I correct?
Signing off as I have a busy day.

[martg]

Originally Posted by emerald

Happy (retard) slave. Love conquers all? Where? In ur ass? Why dont u tell that to children butchered in wars? To those who suffer from terrible diseases? Who are staving? Stuff ur god in a place that doesnt see the light! Now report me coz u are discriminated, go ahead, what ure waiting for? Leper Messiah?

wow
you'll have to clean your monitor after spitting all that bile.

I do feel for christians, the shit they have to put up with just for not having the same belief system.

[chrysalis55]

Originally Posted by emerald

Happy (retard) slave. Love conquers all? Where? In ur ass? Why dont u tell that to children butchered in wars? To those who suffer from terrible diseases? Who are staving? Stuff ur god in a place that doesnt see the light! Now report me coz u are discriminated, go ahead, what ure waiting for? Leper Messiah?

LOL, maybe you should go take some deep breaths.

[michaelsherlock]

you made some good points, but I instinctively react against anyone descibing someone with different beliefs as 'diseased'
It's disrespectful and is by definition an arbitrary judgement, therefore rooted in ego.

You misunderstand. I am saying that we are all diseased, me included. It is a defect of the mind on one hand and the source of inspiration and reliable function on the other. Belief, as with most things in life, is dualistic in nature.

There are millions of Christians in this world, all different from each other, just as there is no single Islamic or Judaic voice.

I agree. However, they (Islamic, Christian, Darwinist, Communist, Capitalist) share a common feature. They mistake their beliefs as truths.

It's really not down to what belief systems another person holds but how they treat their fellow human beings and whether they try to impose beliefs on others, and that sort of behaviour has nothing to do with religion.

It has everything to do with religion, for religion could not survive, especially religions like Islam and Christianity, who send missionaries out to convert and conquer other belief systems and cultures. In the process they have a track record of treating people badly, and it is understandable from the believer's point of view, because they see them selves as being on a mission from God and what could be more important than that!?

I can think of many people that try to impose beliefs on others, some religious, some scientific and some political.

I agree.

You said it yourself, beliefs systems have the potential to cause chaos, but most of the belief systems that are currently destroying this world have nothing to do with religion.

Incorrect! But, there are other belief systems that contribute to the chaos, for sure!

Goldman Sachs economics and neo-con militarism for example.

Good example.

So it's not down to belief systems or any one religion, the problem is people imposing their will on others.

And as long as we mistake the map, for the territory it surveys, we will continue to do this, by any means necessary.

I'm sure you already know what freedom is, self governance in thought, action and spirit.
How we achieve it is a more difficult question that I cannot answer.

If you believe, do you really have self-governance in thought? The belief is the micro-chip implanted to control the emotions, only it is self-implanted.

[themadness]

Originally Posted by michaelsherlock

I agree. However, it should not, in my opinion, be your primary objective, in a world which needs all hands on deck (cognitively speaking). You and I do not deserve to be happy, nor is it appropriate to be "well adjusted," in the words of Krishnamurti; It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" and unfortunately, the world is a sick place. Christianity, Islam, Captialism, Communism, have not delivered on thier shallow promises, nor have they contributed to the betterment of our species, instead, they have divided us up into little pens and pit us against one another. So forgive me if I do not see personal happiness as the ultimate goal of life, when so much work needs to be done!

why would you shun happiness and contentment?






It is not about being unhappy either. You seem to think to extremes. You can be active and happy, and of course at times unhappy, this is just how a balanced mind works. If you are happy all the time, I would recommend that you see a mental health care professional.

people who are "happy all the time" are quite creepy. they are either putting up a front or missing a few bolts.......or both. its just not normal.



Ok then! I have some questions for you.

1. what happens when we die?
who knows
2. Was the world and universe created or did it just come about by itself?
who knows
3. Was Jesus the son of God?
who knows
4. Was Mohhamed the true divine prophet chosen by God/Allah?
who knows
5. Is there a God?
who knows
6. Which religion is closest to the truth about this God and his/her wants and desires?
who knows
7. Did God have a sex change? odd question,but again, who knows
8. Is Jesus his mother's husband, and his own grandfather?
again who knows

there's your answer to "what is life all about?" its up to each individual to answer to answer that question.



What is my agenda?

who knows

[shinesun]

Sometimes I got the feeling, the USA has too much different kinds of religions; If I would win on the EuroJackpot, I would make my own religion ... and the first rule would be: respect other religions no matter what they do or say

[michaelsherlock]

You wanker!
Did you read the quote at the bottom of my post?
While you go on with your pseudo-intellectual bullshit about the evils of Christianity, millions of children are being horrifically abused, right now by satanic covens.

Instead of being such a tosser, how about doing a bit of researching about what's really going on.

You people who deny SRA make me really fucking angry. You know nothing!
Instead you continue to allow the abuse to happen with your deep denial and refusal to look at the truth.

Here's the quote again (and I could drown you in evidence that this is happening!)
A quote from Breaking The Silence, an Australian book about child abuse.
"Statistics kept by sexual assault services in Canberra showed that during two sample weeks in 1995 they were contacted by more women stating that they had been ritually abused than by rape victims. The Sydney Rape Crisis Centre received 584 calls between July 1994 and June 1995 from women who identified themselves as ritual abuse survivors."

God save me from the 'head-up-their-arse' ones!!!

d

You have come out punching when no is trying to fight. I did not notice that post on SRA at the bottom of your post as I mistook it for your signature. I will address it tomorrow.

Be nice!