Top Australian Catholic: 'Jews morally inferior'

nofuture · 14-04-2012, 01:41 AM

10:43AM BST 12 Apr 2012

Australia's most senior-ranked Catholic says Jews 'intellectually and morally inferior'

Australia's most senior-ranked Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, has apologised for comments during a debate with Richard Dawkins in which he claimed the Jews were an intellectually and morally inferior people.

In a widely watched televised debate – which led to ongoing debate over the winner – Cardinal Pell said "the little Jewish people" were shepherds who lacked intellectual development.

"I've got a great admiration for the Jews but we don't need to exaggerate their contribution in their early days," he said on ABC television. "They weren't intellectually the equal of [the Egyptians or Persians] – intellectually, morally ... The poor – the little Jewish people, they were originally shepherds. They were stuck. They're still stuck between these great powers."

Later, Cardinal Pell, the Archbishop of Sydney, seemed to suggest the Germans had suffered more than the Jews during the Holocaust.

Asked why god permitted the Holocaust to occur, he said: "He helped probably through secondary causes for the Jews to escape and continue. It is interesting through these secondary causes probably no people in history have been punished the way the Germans were. It is a terrible mystery." When the debate host suggested that the Jews had suffered more than the Germans, Cardinal Pell said: "Yes, that might be right. Certainly the suffering in both, I mean the Jews, there was no reason why they should suffer."

Cardinal Pell subsequently issued a statement clarifying his comments and insisting he did not intend to offend the Jewish community.

"Historically or culturally unequal might have been more appropriate than intellectually," he said. "My commitment to friendship with the Jewish community, and my esteem for the Jewish faith is a matter of public record, and the last thing I would want to do is give offence to either. This was certainly not my intention, and I am sorry that these points which I tried to make ... did not come out as I would have preferred in the course of the discussion."

As for the debate, in which both men did little to conceal their anger or animosity, there were mixed views on the winner. And some seemed to think the debate itself was futile.

"Let me ask my cocker spaniel, snuggled up on the seat of my Ferrari if he is finally aware of how it works and understands the complex design process," said Peter Bower, in a letter to the Sydney Morning Herald. "Some things are simply beyond the logical comprehension of certain species."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-inferior.html

nofuture · 14-04-2012, 02:25 AM

Cardinal George Pell on early Jewish intellectualism - YouTube

ego_death · 14-04-2012, 02:30 AM

And how does being the most senior ranked catholic in Australia give his opinion weight over any other douche bag.

To me being the most senior ranked catholic in a country just means you managed to nab the most kiddies to feast on.

Sick of these fuckers in glass houses throwing fucking stones. This pompous assed fagget doesn't know shit.

macdon · 14-04-2012, 02:39 AM

He's right. Before the Greeks came long in about 333BC the Jews were nothing but an insignificant desert tribe.

There is some scholarship that suggests the Old Testament was written in this Hellenistic period – between 333-1 BC.

The New Testament was written in Greek by Hellenised Jews. One could argue it was written by Greeks of Jewish descent.

When the Romans went to Judea, about 300 years later Tiberius asked his legionnaires of the Jews, “what did the Greeks write about them”. The overwhelming response was, “nothing Caesar”. He then replied, “then these people are not important to us”.

The Greeks themselves were prolific writers and were fascinated by the customs and quirks of barbarians (non-Greek speakers). For them not to write anything or much at all about the Jews, is telling in itself.

So putting it all together, Cardinal Pell was correct.

o_rourke · 14-04-2012, 03:10 AM

I couldn't even bear to read that load of codswallop

It's just more pitching of religious shite for the masses to chew on.

nirvana · 14-04-2012, 08:00 AM

And this is from a church that covers up and hides child abuse sexual and physical

madgoone · 14-04-2012, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirvana

And this is from a church that covers up and hides child abuse sexual and physical

Who do you think controls the catholic church?

koagula · 14-04-2012, 11:11 AM

It's not religion that bothers me, it's the enforcement of it.

dolores1 · 14-04-2012, 11:36 AM

Why did he apologuise?

Was he forced to, by the Elders?

nirvana · 14-04-2012, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madgoone

Who do you think controls the catholic church?

At the top of the pyramid no one here knows.

Ive heard its freemasons,illuminate, reptilians, knight templers, mafia, satan etc

koagula · 14-04-2012, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nirvana

At the top of the pyramid no one here knows.

c

It's me

! Nice to meet you, I hope my work keeps you entertained?

nofuture · 14-04-2012, 12:21 PM

People can make smug disparaging remarks all they like about Catholics and paedos etc. but at the end of the day, there are a vast amount of Catholics on the planet and the Zionists are fools to mix it too much with them. Or perhaps they're planning to Sampson Option them.

I'm not a Catholic by the way.

hadabusa · 14-04-2012, 12:24 PM

well, thats bit a generalisation from this cleric.

at least jewish stand for economic progression, while the catholic church long stood for the opposite.

the perception of morals varies.

i think catholic church is the longest lasting criminal cartel worldwide, tbh

inversedivinity · 14-04-2012, 01:02 PM

Woah them jews sure caught up

inversedivinity · 14-04-2012, 01:10 PM

What a fuck up. Man is a moron. Church needs serious reform and ban. Lift celibacy ban so they get normal folks. Deeper screening process for recruits to determine the kind of views they harbour and ensure they aren't freaks.

Of course they'll never lift the celibacy thing because its about money. It was never about theology. Money grubbing bastards.

tinyint · 14-04-2012, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofuture

People can make smug disparaging remarks all they like about Catholics and paedos etc. but at the end of the day, there are a vast amount of Catholics on the planet and the Zionists are fools to mix it too much with them. Or perhaps they're planning to Sampson Option them.

I'm not a Catholic by the way.

The priest is absolutely right, no matter his bosses are evil scumbags.
The vatican is is not all black. It has been contested for 2 millenia.

The pedo stuff roots in talmud practices by one party of the vatican contesters.

merlincove · 14-04-2012, 01:43 PM

This kind of bombastic bs just goes to show that there can never be a peace in the world while these fucking hypocrites are chairing the moral backbone of society.

It's about time the people who look up to such douche bags as clerics saw them for what they are, and took their power back from them.

While ever religious perpetrators of the gravest illness that besets mankind continue to create division, then peace is a long way off.

So much for compassion, love, tolerance and understanding eh - the antithesis of all religion.

rhydra · 14-04-2012, 02:54 PM

It makes me laugh really because the Catholic Church, as a Christian organisation views the person the religion takes it's name from, Jesus Christ as it's head being on the Earth, a prophet of their god.

Jesus Christ was a Jew!

Not a very nice thing to say about the boss now is it!

majorlee · 14-04-2012, 03:09 PM

lol thats rich coming from a catholic!

both as bad as each other

teardropexplodes · 14-04-2012, 04:10 PM

Historically he's actually spot on here.
Difficult to argue with him.
Germans suffered terribly at the hands of the Jew before and after the war.
As did the Russians.
And as for the children of Israel's origins, no one knows. But they were probably just an insignificant bunch of opportunistic goat herderd

14-04-2012, 01:41 AM	#1
nofuture Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,359	Top Australian Catholic: 'Jews morally inferior' 10:43AM BST 12 Apr 2012 Australia's most senior-ranked Catholic says Jews 'intellectually and morally inferior' Australia's most senior-ranked Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, has apologised for comments during a debate with Richard Dawkins in which he claimed the Jews were an intellectually and morally inferior people. In a widely watched televised debate – which led to ongoing debate over the winner – Cardinal Pell said "the little Jewish people" were shepherds who lacked intellectual development. "I've got a great admiration for the Jews but we don't need to exaggerate their contribution in their early days," he said on ABC television. "They weren't intellectually the equal of [the Egyptians or Persians] – intellectually, morally ... The poor – the little Jewish people, they were originally shepherds. They were stuck. They're still stuck between these great powers." Later, Cardinal Pell, the Archbishop of Sydney, seemed to suggest the Germans had suffered more than the Jews during the Holocaust. Asked why god permitted the Holocaust to occur, he said: "He helped probably through secondary causes for the Jews to escape and continue. It is interesting through these secondary causes probably no people in history have been punished the way the Germans were. It is a terrible mystery." When the debate host suggested that the Jews had suffered more than the Germans, Cardinal Pell said: "Yes, that might be right. Certainly the suffering in both, I mean the Jews, there was no reason why they should suffer." Cardinal Pell subsequently issued a statement clarifying his comments and insisting he did not intend to offend the Jewish community. "Historically or culturally unequal might have been more appropriate than intellectually," he said. "My commitment to friendship with the Jewish community, and my esteem for the Jewish faith is a matter of public record, and the last thing I would want to do is give offence to either. This was certainly not my intention, and I am sorry that these points which I tried to make ... did not come out as I would have preferred in the course of the discussion." As for the debate, in which both men did little to conceal their anger or animosity, there were mixed views on the winner. And some seemed to think the debate itself was futile. "Let me ask my cocker spaniel, snuggled up on the seat of my Ferrari if he is finally aware of how it works and understands the complex design process," said Peter Bower, in a letter to the Sydney Morning Herald. "Some things are simply beyond the logical comprehension of certain species." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...-inferior.html __________________ If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor

14-04-2012, 03:10 AM	#5
o_rourke Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,305	I couldn't even bear to read that load of codswallop It's just more pitching of religious shite for the masses to chew on. __________________ I am not European, I am Scottish. Stuff the EU!

14-04-2012, 11:11 AM	#8
koagula Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Currently dining with the Wizard Jesus on top of Mount Olympus Posts: 1,393	It's not religion that bothers me, it's the enforcement of it. __________________ . What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of the women! .

14-04-2012, 11:36 AM	#9
dolores1 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Over the hill and round the bend Posts: 12,287	Why did he apologuise? Was he forced to, by the Elders? __________________ When you know who you're not allowed to criticize, you know who is in control! Points taken!

14-04-2012, 12:21 PM	#12
nofuture Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,359	People can make smug disparaging remarks all they like about Catholics and paedos etc. but at the end of the day, there are a vast amount of Catholics on the planet and the Zionists are fools to mix it too much with them. Or perhaps they're planning to Sampson Option them. I'm not a Catholic by the way. __________________ If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor

14-04-2012, 02:30 AM	#3
ego_death Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 125	And how does being the most senior ranked catholic in Australia give his opinion weight over any other douche bag. To me being the most senior ranked catholic in a country just means you managed to nab the most kiddies to feast on. Sick of these fuckers in glass houses throwing fucking stones. This pompous assed fagget doesn't know shit.

14-04-2012, 02:39 AM	#4
macdon Premier Subscribers Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 281	He's right. Before the Greeks came long in about 333BC the Jews were nothing but an insignificant desert tribe. There is some scholarship that suggests the Old Testament was written in this Hellenistic period – between 333-1 BC. The New Testament was written in Greek by Hellenised Jews. One could argue it was written by Greeks of Jewish descent. When the Romans went to Judea, about 300 years later Tiberius asked his legionnaires of the Jews, “what did the Greeks write about them”. The overwhelming response was, “nothing Caesar”. He then replied, “then these people are not important to us”. The Greeks themselves were prolific writers and were fascinated by the customs and quirks of barbarians (non-Greek speakers). For them not to write anything or much at all about the Jews, is telling in itself. So putting it all together, Cardinal Pell was correct.

14-04-2012, 08:00 AM	#6
nirvana Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: here now Posts: 4,746	And this is from a church that covers up and hides child abuse sexual and physical

14-04-2012, 12:24 PM	#13
hadabusa Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: zurich Posts: 22,784	well, thats bit a generalisation from this cleric. at least jewish stand for economic progression, while the catholic church long stood for the opposite. the perception of morals varies. i think catholic church is the longest lasting criminal cartel worldwide, tbh

14-04-2012, 01:02 PM	#14
inversedivinity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,856	Woah them jews sure caught up __________________ "Forces of evil in a bozo nightmare, Banned all the music with a phony gas chamber, 'Cuz one's got a weasel, And the other's got a flag" Beck- Loser

14-04-2012, 01:10 PM	#15
inversedivinity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,856	What a fuck up. Man is a moron. Church needs serious reform and ban. Lift celibacy ban so they get normal folks. Deeper screening process for recruits to determine the kind of views they harbour and ensure they aren't freaks. Of course they'll never lift the celibacy thing because its about money. It was never about theology. Money grubbing bastards. __________________ "Forces of evil in a bozo nightmare, Banned all the music with a phony gas chamber, 'Cuz one's got a weasel, And the other's got a flag" Beck- Loser

14-04-2012, 01:43 PM	#17
merlincove Inactive Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 28,570	This kind of bombastic bs just goes to show that there can never be a peace in the world while these fucking hypocrites are chairing the moral backbone of society. It's about time the people who look up to such douche bags as clerics saw them for what they are, and took their power back from them. While ever religious perpetrators of the gravest illness that besets mankind continue to create division, then peace is a long way off. So much for compassion, love, tolerance and understanding eh - the antithesis of all religion.

14-04-2012, 02:54 PM	#18
rhydra Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wales Posts: 8,469	It makes me laugh really because the Catholic Church, as a Christian organisation views the person the religion takes it's name from, Jesus Christ as it's head being on the Earth, a prophet of their god. Jesus Christ was a Jew! Not a very nice thing to say about the boss now is it! __________________ Man is a tool created by the Universe to mark time.

14-04-2012, 03:09 PM	#19
majorlee Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Terran Posts: 4,451	lol thats rich coming from a catholic! both as bad as each other __________________ The Truth can set you Free but the Fear of what you Do and Do not Accept will be your Prison... http://pyramining.com/referral/3r7pgdy6q - Invest Bitcoins, The coins mine for YOU!

14-04-2012, 04:10 PM	#20
teardropexplodes Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Berlin, 1945 Posts: 1,109	Historically he's actually spot on here. Difficult to argue with him. Germans suffered terribly at the hands of the Jew before and after the war. As did the Russians. And as for the children of Israel's origins, no one knows. But they were probably just an insignificant bunch of opportunistic goat herderd __________________ Froze to the bone in my igloo home, counting the days till the ice turns green.