Either OBEs are real or everyone is lying

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Originally Posted by dragon_sleeper

No need to believe it. It's simply an inference, a conclusion that takes many areas of study and first-hand experience into account. To be fair, the big questions can't be answered in a science lab, and the big answers can't hold up against left-brain logical scrutiny.

So I'm right then and your wrong!?

[chockimon]

Originally Posted by tortle

There are whole forums dedicated to OBEs, and hundreds of people saying that they are having OBEs and talking about their experiences.

Are they all lying or deluded? They can't all be, these are independent individuals across the internet telling their experiences.

Look at it this way. If you're a hologram created by a machine, how would you go about proving the machines exists. It's impossible.

It's the same with OBE's. You simply have to experience one to know that's there's more to this world than just physical reality. Even then I wouldn't delude myself claiming that I know the truth of this other existence, when I only experienced a glimpse of it. But there are plenty of deluded people who would. They make things up, so take it with a pinch of salt.

If you were shown a jigsaw puzzle made up of a million pieces and you glimpsed just one piece, would you be honest and admit you do not know what the image is or would you deceive yourself and everyone else by claiming to know what the image is?

We are teacups in an ocean and there's simply no way you could fit all that water inside a teacup. The human brain is an amazing piece of machinery, but it does have its limits.

[chockimon]

Originally Posted by tortle

Without a direct experience how can I know that all these people are telling the truth about their OBEs?
Someone getting emotionally charged about it and wanting me to believe won't work either. You can stamp your feet and swear that it's real, but that still doesn't help me in any way.

One question. Have you tried?