"Baby due vaccinations soon, help needed pls"

[hobo]

Originally Posted by biblegirl

Hello, I am copying a post I made on another thread http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66334 for questions on the MMR, which IMO applies to any vaccines:

This subject is one of my specialties. The following show my personal conclusions after 5 years of research into this subject:

The MMR will not prevent measles mumps and rubella. I am one of the people who contracted Mumps FROM THE MMR vaccination, and imo one is more likely to get the sickenesses from getting the jabs than anything else, as was evidenced by the polio vaccine fiasco.

If your daughter gets measles at a later time, she will build up a natural immunity to it. A vaccine would only be a step backwards after that point.

IMO you can maintain your daughter's good health with nutrition and healthy living, but if you are concerned about prevention you can look into homeopathic remedies which are 100% safe with 0 side effects and are effective at preventing/treating illness. IMO it is "okay to have nothing" but I encourage looking into it yourself so you can be confident with your decision, it is not hard at all to find the atrocities caused by vaccines on the internet...

You are correct in that vaccines have never been proven to be effective. In fact you cannot find one conclusive study anywhere on any vaccine on effectiveness.

IMO ALL vaccines are detrimental to health, not just the MMR as they contain the same toxic substances as fillers, for example: mercury, aluminum, formaldehyde, MSG, etc.

From personal experience, IMO the unvaccinated children seem to fare much better healthwise than vaccinated children, who seem to be plagued by ear infections and the like. Healthy diet is a great way to maintain health, the vaccine scam kinda scares us into thinking we will get a load of diseases without the jab, but the evidence just isn't there to support this.

I should ask you, is the only reason you're going to the doctor tomorrow because of these jabs? If so, you can consider cancelling your appointment. The #1 vaccine refusal excuse you can use is: "she has had adverse reactions to vaccines in the past and we don't want to put our daughter through that again..." this is a hard one for them to counter since it puts them in more liability, or you can use the "adverse reactions run in the family" reason...

If they still use their scare tactics after that, ASK TO SEE AN INGREDIENT LIST so that you can determine exactly which ingredients you don't want your children to have. They are RELUCTANT to show anyone this, or may say they can't find it, but if they actually show you one you can point out on their own paper that you don't want your daughter receiving those toxic substances. They may go so far as to have you sign a paper, affectionately referred to as the "bad parent paper" where you agree that you are putting your child in harm's way, blah blah blah for not consenting to the vaccine...

Here is a great interview with former vaccine developer that may help to answer your questions:



for questions on any vaccine side effects/studies etc. visit http://vaclib.org/keywords.htm

Good post!

[winegums]

OP, ask your friends and family if they know anyone who has had problems with the vaccines. Also, ask your parents/grandparents about the kids in their generation who caught the wild versions of these illnesses.

Originally Posted by a_skywatcher

A baby's immune system is under-developed at 2 months and doesn't fully kick in until about 1 year. If you give a child a vaccine of any kind, this undermines that immune system by each shot given. ALL children's shots contain mercury. This is a poison and radically kills off brain cells. Vaccines also contain a plethora of other toxins and nasties that are of no use to a child that age.

So, what do you mean by 'fully kicks in'? What are you measuring/quantifying when you decide about 1 year is your cut off? You still have maternal antibodies at 2 months.

Always remember, even though some children are vaccinated against XYZ, they can still catch the disease anyway, but when they do, because their immune system is compromised by the vaccine, the same child will suffer more because the immune system cannot handle it as well as those who had not been previously vaccinated.

Complete and utter rubbish. What does it mean when your immune system is 'compromised'?
It is of course possible to be vaccinated but not have memory cells form against the pathogen. Sucks, but it happens. However this in no way makes you more succeptable to the illness.

[unicorny]

Originally Posted by winegums

So, what do you mean by 'fully kicks in'? What are you measuring/quantifying when you decide about 1 year is your cut off? You still have maternal antibodies at 2 months.

Below is an excerpt from a website with quotes from lots of peer reveiwed articles in mainstream science journals stating the dangers of vaccination at such an early age. In a natural living community a woman would be breast feeding her child until the loss of the milk teeth (about 5-6 years old) this would provide immunity until the childs immune system fully matures. only very few women in the uk do this theese days but the ones i know who have done have very strong and healthy children

http://www.whale.to/a/child.html

Child immune system and development re vaccination

[2009] America’s H1N1 Expert Says Scientists Are Clueless About Immune System Reactions to Vaccinations

Studies have shown that a child's immune system doesn't completely mature until about 6 years of age A Natural Age of Weaning by Katherine Dettwyler, PhD

And if, as Professor Boyd Haley has shown, some babies can NOT get rid of mercury, ...what then? It seems to be conveniently dismissed as if neonates "are just small adults". They are not. Neonates of all species have very different biochemistry and immune systems to adults, and that is an issue and problem that the pharmaceutical industry has yet to either admit or grapple with. Hilary Butler letter to BMJ 2004

In a page no longer available, but which I printed out, the BBC reported on 13 February 2001, under the heading "Newborns 'face higher drug risks' "that": "A missing gut chemical (cytochrome P450) means babies are at far higher risks of side-effects from drugs designed for use in adults or children. The research, at Sheffield Univerisyt adds weight to arguments for fuller testing of adult medicines before they are declared suitable for much younger children. ... currently 40% of drugs used to test children are not licenced for that purpose - while 65% of those used on babies are being prescribed outside the terms of their licence, or ar not licenced at all." Hilary Butler letter to BMJ 2004

"The blood-brain barrier is not intact in infants until at least 6 weeks of life. This is why a newborn with a fever must be subjected to a spinal tap to rule out menningitis. Any virus or bacteria that a newborn is exposed to can go directly to the nervous system. This is why the Hepatitis B vaccine at birth is so dangerous. Between 1991 and 1999, when the shot contained thimerisol, giving it at birth would have resulted in mercury crossing into the brain since the blood-brain barrier was not yet intact. As a nurse, I'm concerned that this information about the normal timing of a blood-brain barrier forming is not more readily known. I think this normal delay in the forming of a blood-brain barrier is an important piece of the puzzle and one of the reasons for the surge of autism in the 90's."----Mary Barbera RN, MSN

“I would challenge any colleague, clinician or research scientist to claim that we have a basic understanding of the human newborn immune system. It is well established in studies in animal models that the newborn immune system is very distinct from the adolescent or adult. In fact, the immune system of newborns in animal models can easily be perturbed to ensure that it cannot respond properly later in life.” ------This testimony was given verbally to the United States Senate on May 12, 1999 by Dr Bonnie Dunbar, Professor of Immunobiology with specialise work in vaccine development and autoimmunity for over 25 years, the past 17 at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.
TO THE RECEIVER OF THIS ARTICLE---Hilary Butler Hep B vaccine info (Dr Bonnie Dunbar)

Dr. David Baskin, Professor of Neurosurgery at Baylor College of Medicine, told the Committee that brain tissue absorbs mercury five times more than other body tissues. And infants and small children are furthermore five times more sensitive to mercury’s toxicological effects compared to adults. [2009 Nov] Federal Health Agencies Continue to Deceive Americans: Congressional Report on a Vaccine Mercury-Autism Link Ignored for Six Years by Richard Gale and Gary Null, Ph.D

"A single vaccine given to a six-pound newborn is the equivalent of giving a 180-pound adult 30 vaccinations on the same day. Include in this the toxic effects of high levels of aluminum and formaldehyde contained in some vaccines, and the synergist toxicity could be increased to unknown levels. Further, it is very well known that infants do not produce significant levels of bile or have adult renal capacity for several months after birth. Bilary transport is the major biochemical route by which mercury is removed from the body, and infants cannot do this very well. They also do not possess the renal (kidney) capacity to remove aluminum. Additionally, mercury is a well-known inhibitor of kidney function."--Boyd Haley Ph.D.

[2004 jan] In conclusion, for those who have a decreased ability to excrete mercury, as has been demonstrated for several different genotypes, there can be little doubt that mercury concentrations once administered to children as part of the childhood routine vaccination schedule resulted in a significant number of children developing autism. This is especially true following a sudden increase in the amount of mercury administered, as occurred in the United States in the early 1990s when the amount of mercury administered to children in the first six months of life more than doubled as part of the routine childhood immunization schedule (i.e. from 75 micrograms of mercury from three DTP immunizations to 187.5 micrograms from three DTP, three Hib, and three hepatitis B immunizations).....It is also clear that if somehow, despite the over whelming evidence, the IOM determines, that either thimerosal did not cause or that they are not sure that it caused the current epidemic of autism and other neurological disorders, that the IOM must demand the immediate expenditure of billions of dollars as part of an all out effort to immediately determine what is causing this epidemic before it totally destroys our society. [jan 2004] A Review of the Relationship between Thimerosal and Autism. David A. Geier and Mark R. Geier, MD

[winegums]

Ah, whale.to. I'll let Scopie's Law pass this time, and address the point at hand.

I've no qualms with the idea that we shouldn't vaccinate newly born babies, and it's quite well established that the blood-brain barrier doesn't really kick in for about 6 weeks (it's why prolonged jaundice in newly born babies scares paediatricians - they can develop a condition called kernicterus). A lot of the writing on this seems to suggest as far as immune systems are concerned, we're treating newborn babies as fully-developed children; how do you know we're not treating fully-developed children like new-born babies?

However, that page just looks like a load of letters written to the BMJ. Is there a specific piece of writing you think is noteworthy on this topic?

[dude111]

Originally Posted by winegums

OP, ask your friends and family if they know anyone who has had problems with the vaccines.

Sometimes you wont see any right away!!

Not until you develop an auto immune disease which very well may have been caused BY THE VACCINE SCREWING UP YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM TO BEGIN WITH!!

[thecatsmeow]

An excellent website is vactruth.com all the research is done by a top-notch woman doctor/scientist.

[21_12_2012]

Originally Posted by winegums

Ah, whale.to. I'll let Scopie's Law pass this time, and address the point at hand.

Yeh you stick to your fudged pharma information. We're all sure it's perfectly correct, and your training is up to the admirable standard of other 'medically-trained experts'

Carry on

[adzboarder]

Good response BibleGirl

My personal response went like this..

Letter arrives about getting my son vaccinated.

I put it in the bin.

A second letter arrives, I read it and put it in the bin.

No more letters arrived and my son is safe from the poison.

It seems like a really good way to avoid the vaccines, fuck em man, they cant make you poison your child, just ignore their scare tactics and bs and ignore them.

That's my experience on the matter, good luck to you Kittan22 - YOU ARE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

[adzboarder]

My brothers wife recently had a baby born 8 weeks early.

She's fine and has been through the whole system as a premature baby and she's doing really well.

I asked my Bro's wife if she was going to have my niece vaccinated and she immediately said "oh god yes".

I cant tell you how disappointed I was, but I am working on getting them to see sense. Problem is is that they are so tied to the healthcare system that to refuse advice now after all they have been through is difficult for them, but I wont give up, I'll do anything to make them see sense.

My first son had the first part of the MMR and started having seizures shortly thereafter and we went through the most horrendous experience of seeing our baby boy being brought back to life with a diffibrilator - NEVER again, he never had part two of this sickening vaccine.

I will point out that he's totally fine now, healthy thanks to good nutrition and care and zero aspartame or MSG has passed his lips. He's also top of the class at school so no major ill effects now and no seizures for over 4 years.

My second son has had NOT ONE SINGLE INJECTION in his life and that's the way it's got to be and he is doing great too.

Best wishes to all parents and do what you feel is right and don't bow to their pressure - you still have a choice after all.

[psketti]

Originally Posted by adzboarder

My second son has had NOT ONE SINGLE INJECTION in his life and that's the way it's got to be and he is doing great too.

The two older boys had everything up until they started school because I knew nothing about this subject back then.

My third child however also hasn't had a single injection and never will. She is by far my healthiest child.

I still kick myself from time to time for being ignorant when my boys where young and just hope that more parents take the time to research this massive lie and make their own informed decision about the well being of their children. It's too important.

[dude111]

Originally Posted by adzboarder

My brothers wife recently had a baby born 8 weeks early.

She's fine and has been through the whole system as a premature baby and she's doing really well.

I asked my Bro's wife if she was going to have my niece vaccinated and she immediately said "oh god yes".

I cant tell you how disappointed I was, but I am working on getting them to see sense. Problem is is that they are so tied to the healthcare system that to refuse advice now after all they have been through is difficult for them, but I wont give up, I'll do anything to make them see sense.

Good luck with that my friend,they will probably call you names,etc (Like I am called when i try to help sheeple)

[elshaper]

Brain eating vaccine

Brain Eating Vaccines: The History and Facts - YouTube

Brain Eating Vaccines: The History and Facts - YouTube

Many mums told me that vaccines don't work. They get sick even though they had the vaccine anyway

[thecatsmeow]

Originally Posted by elshaper

Brain eating vaccine
Brain Eating Vaccines: The History and Facts - YouTube

Many mums told me that vaccines don't work. They get sick even though they had the vaccine anyway

Holy crap! That's horrific!

[dude111]

Yes it truly is

[dlb2007]

my son has had two sets of jabs... he wont be getting more not because of health risks but because I recently found out the vaccines are developed using fetal matter from aborted babies

[pri01]

Our local health authority is persuing a vaccination campaign at the moment. MMR vaccines are the proposed goal to be inflicted not on babies, but young adults.

My 2 younger kids who are now 20 and 22 have recently recieved a reminder that they need to have the MMR. Within the literature that was sent was an article rubbishing the findings of doctor who was struck off for publishing an article associating MMR with a link to autism.

They also sent some statistics showing how these childhood diseases are on the increase.

The thing is, these aren't children and they had the MMR when they were babies (a time when I was not so awake).

My 2 older kids never had the MMR as it wasn't around then and they haven't received an invite.

So I'm not sure if this a nation wide exercise or just a local health drive. I was horrified when I found out that my 20 year old daughter had actually booked an appointment with her GP to have the vaccine immediately she received the letter.

She decided to cancel the appointment after I showed her some information, which I was relieved at.

I'm really concerned about how powerful the health industry is in that young people seem to be a target at the moment with regards to vaccines as it was only recently they were pushing the cervical cancer risks.

[adzboarder]

Originally Posted by psketti

The two older boys had everything up until they started school because I knew nothing about this subject back then.

My third child however also hasn't had a single injection and never will. She is by far my healthiest child.

I still kick myself from time to time for being ignorant when my boys where young and just hope that more parents take the time to research this massive lie and make their own informed decision about the well being of their children. It's too important.

We didn't know at the time, but now we do. The best way to make up for it is to spread the word to those around us that matter most.

[adzboarder]

Originally Posted by dude111

Good luck with that my friend,they will probably call you names,etc (Like I am called when i try to help sheeple)

Well I've got time and my brother is open to all suggestions. I doubt it will get to the name calling stage, but he will at least listen to me and then decide for himself and hopefully for the good of his darling baby girl.

Fingers crossed.

[psketti]

Originally Posted by adzboarder

We didn't know at the time, but now we do. The best way to make up for it is to spread the word to those around us that matter most.

Indeed. Doesn't always work though. In fact, it rarely does sadly.

Good luck anyhow.

[dude111]

Originally Posted by adzboarder

Well I've got time and my brother is open to all suggestions. I doubt it will get to the name calling stage, but he will at least listen to me and then decide for himself and hopefully for the good of his darling baby girl.

Well i wish you luck..... My parents for example WONT LOOK @ ANYTHING I TRY TO SHOW THEM.... (They say its all garbage)

Very sad