Jesus and the 613 Laws of Moses.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by gerrardthor

Here we see Christ openly negating the command for a woman to be executed as per the laws of Moses.

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You admit some confusion, but it is not possible to be unconfused if you are looking for a lack of contradictions in a book written by multiple authors which has been edited and re-edited by we don't know who or how many times.

Since there are numerous contradictory statements, it means that tyrant can just choose what to enact into law and what not to, according to their own personal prejudices and bigotry.

But there are sufficient incitations to Holy War and sufficient executionable offences to please any genocidal tyrant or religous bigot.

You have chosen to base your religon on a diabolically evil book, and I can reach few other conclusions than that you are diabolically evil yourself, unless you are willing to plead stupidity or mental illness.

[radziox]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

It does not matter how many times it is explained to them that the Bible contains a system of law and government.

I have come to the conclusion that the regular Christian debaters here are either mentally ill or just very stupid or just diabolically evil; no amount of evil which is cited that their holy book contains will convince them that it is an evil religion; and only evil loves evil and stupidity loves stupidity. A band of fools will rarely listen to the words of the wise; they are too busy exchanging foolishness between themselves.

Lux

Reminds me of a line i heard.

The heaven of the stupid is the hell of the wise. Which is exactly why i want to stay out of Christian heaven. Too much stupidity and ignorance there.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by radziox

Reminds me of a line i heard.

The heaven of the stupid is the hell of the wise. Which is exactly why i want to stay out of Christian heaven. Too much stupidity and ignorance there.

Yes; can you imagine all eternity spent listening to all the incessant ramblings of these Christians here, eternally discussing the Bible and their faith? I have had a couple of days of it and it is starting to get very boring. I have come back to the forum after a break of a few months and it is moslty the same Christian idiots with the same old incessant, illogical, imbecilic, inane rambles about their skygod Jesus, and a few new ones who sound just the same as the old ones. Boring as "Hell" Perhaps in Hell they just bore each other for all eternity.

I have come to the conclusion that some of these Christians might be mentally ill and instead of being confined to a psychiatric ward, they just come here to ramble to themselves and to each other and to accuse others of being Satanists. I cannot imagine how they got that impression about be at all. LOL Nest thing you know they will be calling you a witch. They probably have very sad and wretched lives and nobody really loves them apart from those voices in their head whom they refer to as their sky good. Poor wretched goddess forsaken creatures.

[gerrardthor]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

You admit some confusion, but it is not possible to be unconfused if you are looking for a lack of contradictions in a book written by multiple authors which has been edited and re-edited by we don't know who or how many times.

I am terribly confused. I'll be completely honest.

It is because it is written by a variety of authors and possibly changed over time that I feel I can approach it as a document to be dissected.

Since there are numerous contradictory statements, it means that tyrant can just choose what to enact into law and what not to, according to their own personal prejudices and bigotry.

But there are sufficient incitations to Holy War and sufficient executionable offences to please any genocidal tyrant or religous bigot.

You have chosen to base your religon on a diabolically evil book, and I can reach few other conclusions than that you are diabolically evil yourself, unless you are willing to plead stupidity or mental illness.

I don't believe in organized religion. In a perfect world we wouldn't have to worry about dictators taking ideas and using them for evil.

Religion is dangerous at times.

It needs more people to learn about the real implications of their religion and to either throw away the trash or keep holding onto it blindly.

I agree with a lot of what you have been saying.

I just personally think that this terrible document the Bible is a historical snapshot of humans attempting to connect with the divine.

I think reason and consensus can be used to properly dissect and create a religion that trembles towards the divine.

Humans are evolving. Religion is evolving. We need more people like you to destroy the trash in our religions and call us to really look at the implications of what we believe. I just think you're taking a very extreme literalist approach and therefore proving that an extreme literalist approach isn't the way to approach the Bible. It should be approached as a museum piece. We should get to the point where we laugh at how wrong we got it sometimes.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by gerrardthor

I
I don't believe in organized religion. In a perfect world we wouldn't have to worry about dictators taking ideas and using them for evil.

Unfortunately the Bible is not merely about metaphysical ramblings; just like the Koran, the Bible promotes a system of government (theocratic tyranny) and a system of Law (Mosaic Law, and in addition the words and edicts of the fictional Jesus).

We already have had many centuries of Christian government in Europe, where the consequence of repressive religious laws, cherry picked from the Bible, can be studied. The consequence of such laws and such a system og government was not heaven on earth, but hell.



In the Biblical system of government, the various interpretations of the Law would not be decided by the common people, but by the religious dictatorship; it would be they who would decide who the blasphemers and heretics were and who was to be "cast into the fire."

"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" -- Jeremiah 48:10, Motto of Pope Gregory VII.

Killing non-believer's and waging genocidal holy war, is entirely part of the Bible god's agenda; in fact he demands such behaviour.

And all this the Christians believe and do "in the name of love."

Shame.
Lux

"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."

[logos880]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Unfortunately the Bible is not merely about metaphysical ramblings; just like the Koran, the Bible promotes a system of government (theocratic tyranny) and a system of Law (Mosaic Law, and in addition the words and edicts of the fictional Jesus).

We already have had many centuries of Christian government in Europe, where the consequence of repressive religious laws, cherry picked from the Bible, can be studied. The consequence of such laws and such a system og government was not heaven on earth, but hell.



In the Biblical system of government, the various interpretations of the Law would not be decided by the common people, but by the religious dictatorship; it would be they who would decide who the blasphemers and heretics were and who was to be "cast into the fire."

"A curse on him who is lax in doing the LORD's work! A curse on him who keeps his sword from bloodshed!" -- Jeremiah 48:10, Motto of Pope Gregory VII.

Killing non-believer's and waging genocidal holy war, is entirely part of the Bible god's agenda; in fact he demands such behaviour.

And all this the Christians believe and do "in the name of love."

Shame.
Lux

"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do."

mosaic law no longer applies, but you know that already.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by logos880

mosaic law no longer applies, but you know that already.

Mosaic Law has for many centuries been "selectively" applied by the Christian tyrannies of Europe, and it is a historical tale which runs with rivers of blood , genocide and holy war.

The Christian when challenged by the letter of the Law, will often argue that the law does not apply to them, but generally such hypocrites selectively interpret the Law; probably their favourite law is the law forbidding homosexuality, which they believe still applies, but not the law demandind execution for breaking the Sabbath, for example, since they do not observe that.

Just exactly what aspects of the Biblical Law a Christian believes in is entirely dependent on their own personal prejudices and bigotry.

Under Christian governments, the various interpretations of the Bible held by individual believers were largely irrelevant anyway; it was the Christian dictatorship which decided what was legal and illegal; for a person who committed blasphemy or heresy, they could still be tortured and executed, irrespective of whether they believed in the Law or not.

Of course there was always a set of laws for the common people which the religious and economic aristocracy usually ignored.


Lux


____________________


William Manchester's "A World Lit Only by Fire- The Medieval Mind and The Renaissance" .Little, Brown & Company, 1992
http://www.darkgovernment.com/ATHEISM/inquisition.html

"Once he became Pope Alexander VI, Vatican parties, already wild, grew wilder. They were costly, but he could afford the lifestyle of a Renaissance prince; as vice chancellor of the Roman Church, he had amassed enormous wealth. As guests approached the papal palace, they were excited by the spectacle of living statues: naked, gilded young men and women in erotic poses. Flags bore the Borgia arms, which, appropriately, portrayed a red bull rampant on a field of gold. Every fete had a theme. One, known to Romans as the Ballet of the Chestnuts, was held on October 30, 1501. The indefatigable Burchard describes it in his Diarium. After the banquet dishes had been cleared away, the city's fifty most beautiful whores danced with the guests, "first clothed, then naked." The dancing over, the "ballet" began, with the Pope and two of his children in the best seats.
Candelabra were set up on the floor, scattered among them were chestnuts, "which", Burchard writes, "the courtesans had to pick up, crawling between the candles." Then the serious sex started. Guests stripped and ran out onto the floor, where they mounted, or were mounted by, the prostitutes. "The coupling took place," according to Burchard, "in front of everyone present." Servants kept score of each man's orgasms, for the Pope greatly admired virility, and measured a man's machismo by his ejaculative capacity. After eveyone was exhausted, His Holiness distributed prizes- cloaks, boots, caps, and fine silken tunics. "The winners", the diarist wrote, "were those who made love with the courtesans the greatest number of times."

[logos880]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Mosaic Law has for many centuries been "selectively" applied by the Christian tyrannies of Europe, and it is a historical tale which runs with rivers of blood , genocide and holy war.

The Christian when challenged by the letter of the Law, will often argue that the law does not apply to them, but generally such hypocrites selectively interpret the Law; probably their favourite law is the law forbidding homosexuality, which they believe still applies, but not the law demandind execution for breaking the Sabbath, for example, since they do not observe that.

Just exactly what aspects of the Biblical Law a Christian believes in is entirely dependent on their own personal prejudices and bigotry.

Under Christian governments, the various interpretations of the Bible held by individual believers were largely irrelevant anyway; it was the Christian dictatorship which decided what was legal and illegal; for a person who committed blasphemy or heresy, they could still be tortured and executed, irrespective of whether they believed in the Law or not.

Of course there was always a set of laws for the common people which the religious and economic aristocracy usually ignored.


Lux


____________________


William Manchester's "A World Lit Only by Fire- The Medieval Mind and The Renaissance" .Little, Brown & Company, 1992
http://www.darkgovernment.com/ATHEISM/inquisition.html

"Once he became Pope Alexander VI, Vatican parties, already wild, grew wilder. They were costly, but he could afford the lifestyle of a Renaissance prince; as vice chancellor of the Roman Church, he had amassed enormous wealth. As guests approached the papal palace, they were excited by the spectacle of living statues: naked, gilded young men and women in erotic poses. Flags bore the Borgia arms, which, appropriately, portrayed a red bull rampant on a field of gold. Every fete had a theme. One, known to Romans as the Ballet of the Chestnuts, was held on October 30, 1501. The indefatigable Burchard describes it in his Diarium. After the banquet dishes had been cleared away, the city's fifty most beautiful whores danced with the guests, "first clothed, then naked." The dancing over, the "ballet" began, with the Pope and two of his children in the best seats.
Candelabra were set up on the floor, scattered among them were chestnuts, "which", Burchard writes, "the courtesans had to pick up, crawling between the candles." Then the serious sex started. Guests stripped and ran out onto the floor, where they mounted, or were mounted by, the prostitutes. "The coupling took place," according to Burchard, "in front of everyone present." Servants kept score of each man's orgasms, for the Pope greatly admired virility, and measured a man's machismo by his ejaculative capacity. After eveyone was exhausted, His Holiness distributed prizes- cloaks, boots, caps, and fine silken tunics. "The winners", the diarist wrote, "were those who made love with the courtesans the greatest number of times."

^all of that is irrelevant. the old covenant is defunct, and the new covenant is happening. just because you want to preach hellfire and brimstone doesn't mean it is relevant.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by logos880

^all of that is irrelevant. the old covenant is defunct, and the new covenant is happening. just because you want to preach hellfire and brimstone doesn't mean it is relevant.

"But seek ye first the Kingdom of G-d."

A problem with Christianity is that the "Kingdom of God" is a dictatorship (i.e., a theocratic monarchy) and Christians are today awaiting the arrival of a new global dictator (i.e., the king of kings, who will rule with a rod of iron); in a dictatorship, it would be the dictator who decides what elements of "God's Laws" would apply and not the common people; God's laws are God's laws after all God is allegedly perfect and unchanging; and in the words of Jesus, his laws will remain till "Heaven and Earth pass away."

Essentially a Christian is always a covert monarchist; they want a Biblical dictatorship as their evil god demands; they are rather like Neonazi propagandists who want to transform the democratic world back into the barbarism of tyranny.

Lux

[logos880]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

A problem with Christianity is that the "Kingdom of God" is a dictatorship (i.e., a theocratic monarchy) and Christians are today awaiting the arrival of a new global dictator (i.e., the king of kings, who will rule with a rod of iron); in a dictatorship, it would be the dictator who decides what elements of "God's Laws" would apply and not the common people; God's laws are God's laws after all God is allegedly perfect and unchanging; and in the words of Jesus, his laws will remain till "Heaven and Earth pass away."

Essentially a Christian is always a covert monarchist; they want a Biblical dictatorship as their evil god demands; they are rather like Neonazi propagandists who want to transform the democratic world back into the barbarism of tyranny.

Lux

you are like a robot that is programed to repeat the same nonsense over and over and over. old covenant is no more, new covenant is now.

here's some hitler quotes for you mr ubermensch:

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

14th December, 1941, midday:

Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)

9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)

27th February, 1942, midday:

It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)




Hitler admits public statements are hallucinated to persuade and have no bearing on truth.

these are private statements Hitler made. Atheists quote his public statments which sound Chritian in places. But I argue there were political lies callculated to hoodwink the masses. What did Hitler believe about public statments and propaganda? He tells us:

"To whom should propaganda be addressed? … It must be addressed always and exclusively to the masses… The function of propaganda does not lie in the scientific training of the individual, but in calling the masses' attention to certain facts, processes, necessities, etc., whose significance is thus for the first time placed within their field of vision. The whole art consists in doing this so skilfully that everyone will be convinced that the fact is real, the process necessary, the necessity correct, etc. But since propaganda is not and cannot be the necessity in itself … its effect for the most part must be aimed at the emotions and only to a very limited degree at the so-called intellect… it's soundness is to be measured exclusively by its effective result". (Main Kampf, Vol 1, Ch 6 and Ch 12)

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by logos880

here's some hitler quotes for you mr ubermensch:

Despite being a Communist, I do agree with Hitler's opinions stated in the quotes above regarding the disease of Christianity.

The Nazi's treatment of the Jewish people in Europe was not the first of it's kind; the Christians throughout history have often followed the command of their fictional god Jesus to burn those who are not Christians, and since you are a Christian and your god demands holy war against non believers and their eventual extermination, then of course the Jewish people would have to be at the top of your list. Christians and Nazis are made from a very similar mould; both ideologies advocate monarchy (tyranny) and genocide.

Lux

[logos880]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Despite being a Communist, I do agree with Hitler's opinions stated in the quotes above regarding the disease of Christianity.

but just a post ago you were implying that hitler was actually a christian...what happened? oh yeah...

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

The Nazi's treatment of the Jewish people in Europe was not the first of it's kind; the Christians throughout history have often followed the command of their fictional god Jesus to burn those who are not Christians, and since you are a Christian and your god demands holy war against non believers and their eventual extermination, then of course the Jewish people would have to be at the top of your list. Christians and Nazis are made from a very similar mould; both ideologies advocate monarchy (tyranny) and genocide.

Lux

Jesus didn't command anyone to burn non-christians...sorry, you're full of crap.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by logos880

Jesus didn't command anyone to burn non-christians...sorry, you're full of crap.

Yes he did.

15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

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He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.--Ex22.20:

Whenever we read ... the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind. And, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel. -- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

Matthew


While insulting the Pharisees and Sadducees, John the Baptist calls an entire generation a "generation of vipers." 3:7

Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

"the children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

Jesus tells his disciples to keep away from the Gentiles and Samaritans, and go only to the Israelites. 10:5-6

Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

"Whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." 10:33

Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

"He that is not with me is against me." 12:30

"Whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him." 12:31-32

Jesus often called people names. One of his favorites was to call his adversaries a "generation of vipers." 12:34

Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

Jesus refuses to heal the Canaanite woman's possessed daughter, saying "it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to the dogs." 15:22-26

The ever-so-kind Jesus calls the Pharisees "hypocrites, wicked, and adulterous." 15:2-3

"Whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." Whoever falls on "this stone" (Jesus) will be broken, and whomever the stone falls on will be ground into powder. 21:44

In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

Jesus condemns the Jews for being "the children of them which killed the prophets." 23:31

Jesus blames his the Jews (who were then living) for "all the righteous blood" from Abel to Zecharias. 23:35

The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

"His blood be on us, and on our children." This verse blames the Jews for the death of Jesus and has been used to justify their persecution for twenty centuries. 27:25
Mark


Jesus becomes angry at those who said that he had "an unclean spirit," so he announces the unforgivable sin: "blasphemy against the Holy Ghost." 3:29

Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:27

If you're ashamed of Jesus, he'll be ashamed of you. 8:38

Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16
Luke


Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9

John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17

Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me." If you don't like what Pat Robertson says (or any other Christian), then you don't like Jesus, and if you don't like Jesus, you don't like God. 10:16

Jesus says, "He that is not with me is against me." 11:23

Those who "blaspheme against the Holy Ghost" will never be forgiven. 12:10

God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47

According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30

Jesus also believes the story about Noah's flood and Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32

In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27
John


People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36

The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the Jews persecuted Jesus and "sought to slay him." 5:16, 18

John says that Jesus "would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him." 7:1

No one could speak openly about Jesus "for fear of the Jews." 7:13

If you don't believe in Jesus, you will "die in your sins" (and then go to hell). 8:24

Jesus calls his opponents (the Jews) the sons of the devil. 8:44

"Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him." 10:31

Once again, "the Jews" are accused of trying to kill Jesus. 11:8

If you don't believe in Jesus you are going to hell. 12:48

Jesus is the only way to heaven. All other religions lead to hell. 14:6

John blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 19:7, 12, 14-15

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father."
If you follow Jesus' teachings, God will love you -- otherwise... well, you know. 14:21

Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

Now that Jesus has come, non-believers have no excuse for not believing in him. 15:22

The Jews are blamed for the death of Jesus. 19:7-15

"For fear of the Jews"
You've got to watch out for Jews wherever you go. 19:38

John, with his usual anti-Semitism, says that the disciples hid in locked room "for fear of the Jews." 20:19
Acts


Peter blames the Jews for the death of Jesus. 3:14-15

Peter claims that Dt.18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23

God will torture forever those who don't know the password to heaven. 4:12

Once again, Peter accuses the Jews of murdering Jesus. 5:30

Stephen, filled with the Holy Ghost, delivers a long, boring, anti-Semitic speech in a synagogue. 7:2-53

Stephen blames the Jews for persecuting the prophets and murdering Jesus. 7:51-52

After Saul "increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews," the "Jews took counsel to kill him." 9:22-23

The Jews are again blamed for the death of Jesus. 10:39

Herod kills James the brother of John and imprisons Peter "because he saw it pleased the Jews." 12:1-3

The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23

Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11

The Jews of Antioch, after seeing Paul's success in preaching, were envious and blasphemed God. Paul then declares them to be "unworthy of everlasting life." 13:45-46

Once again "the Jews stirred up" trouble and "raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts." 13:50

"The unbelieving Jews" stir up trouble again for Paul and incite the people to try to stone him to death. 14:2-5

In Thessalonica, "the Jews which believed not, moved with envy" stir up trouble for Paul and his friends. 17:5

"The Jews of Thessalonica ... stirred up the people." 7:13

"And when they [the Jews of Corinth] opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he [Paul] shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads." (Have a nice day?) 18:6

"The Jews made insurrection with one accord against Paul, and brought him to the judgment seat." 18:12

The first Christian book burning occurs when Paul's converts at Ephesus burn 50,000 silver pieces' worth of books. (A silver piece was worth about a day's wage.) 19:19

Poor Paul complains, once again, of being mistreated by "the Jews." 20:19

The Jews, once again, incite the people to kill poor old Paul 21:27, 31

The Jews form a grand conspiracy to kill Paul. They vow not to eat or drink until the job is done. (The first hunger strike?) 23:12-15

Claudius saves Paul from being killed by the Jews. 23:27

Those pesky Jews caught Paul and and tried to kill him. But he got away. Darn! 26:21
Romans


The existence and nature of God are self-evident; thus, unbelievers are "without excuse." 1:20

Atheists have dark and foolish hearts. 1:21

God abandons those who don't know him to "uncleanness and vile affections." 1:24, 26, 28

With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

Paul says that those who accuse him of lying deserve damnation. 3:8

God blinded the Jews so they wouldn't recognize Jesus as the Messiah. 11:7-10, 25

"As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes."
Jews are enemies to Christians, but God loves them for their ancestors' sake. 11:28

Gentiles used to be unbelievers, but now the Jews are the unbelievers and God saves gentiles through Jewish unbelief. It's all a part of God's plan. 11:30

"He that doubteth is damned ... Whosoever is not of faith is sin." 14:23

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. 16:17
1 Corinthians


Christians can judge everything and everybody, but no non-Christian can judge them. 2:15

"Put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
Stay away from "fornicators", "idolaters", and "drunkards". Do not associate, speak to, or eat dinner with such "wicked" people. 5:9-13

"Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world?" 6:2

Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10

Don't be an idolater. If you become one, God will make you sit down to eat and then rise up to play. 10:7

Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8

Gentiles sacrifice to devils. If you have gentile friends, then you are friends with devils. 10:20

Those who don't love Jesus are to be "anathema" (damned). 16:22
2 Corinthians


Keep away from unbelievers. Neither marry nor be friends with them. 6:14-17

Christians cannot be freethinkers, since all their thoughts and imaginings must be brought into captivity in obedience to Christ. 10:5

Paul says he "will not spare" when he comes back to punish those who have sinned. 13:2

Are you a reprobate? Here's the test: if you know for sure that Jesus is in you, you're not a reprobate. Otherwise you are. 13:5
Galatians


If anyone dares to disagree with Paul on religious matters, "let him be accursed." 1:8-9

Those who try to follow the law are cursed 3:10

"I would they were even cut off which trouble you." Gosh, that doesn't sound very nice. But I wonder what Paul meant by "cut off". The New Revised Standard Version translates this verse as: "I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves!" 5:12

Witches, idol worshippers, and heretics will not go to heaven. (Guess where they'll be going.) 5:20-21
Ephesians


No "unclean person" or "idolater" will inherit the kingdom of God. (They'll all be going to hell.) Don't associate with them. 5:5-7

Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6
Philippians


Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. 2:10-11

"Beware of dogs ... beware of the concision." I'm not sure who Paul is calling "dogs" here, but it's probably the Jews -- those of "the circumcision," as opposed to Christians, who are of the "true circumcision." 3:2
Colossians

1 Thessalonians


God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10

Paul accuses "the Jews" of killing Jesus, persecuting the prophets, displeasing God, and being "contrary to all men." He concludes that the wrath of God will "come upon them to the uttermost. 2:15-16
2 Thessalonians


Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9

God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12

Shun those who disagree with your interpretation of this epistle. 3:6, 14
1 Timothy


"Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme." Apparently (see 2 Tim.2:16-18 and 4:14-15) their "blasphemy" was disagreeing with Paul. 1:20

Stay away from those who discuss important matters -- especially if they disagree with Paul. 6:5
2 Timothy


"If we deny him [Jesus], he will deny us." Fair is fair! 2:12

Shun non-believers and other profane babblers. 2:16

Hymenaeus and Philetus are condemned for disagreeing with "Paul" about the timing of the resurrection. (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.4:14-15) 2:17-18

"The Lord knoweth them that are his." This verse was used by the Catholic Church during the inquisition to justify killing those suspected of heresy. (Kill them all, for `the Lord knows them that are His'." ) 2:19

God will "reward" Alexander for the "blasphemy" of disagreeing with "Paul". (See 1 Tim.1:20 and 2 Tim.2:16-18) 4:14
Titus


Jews are unruly liars "whose mouths must be stopped." 1:10-11

The people of Crete are "always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies." 1:12

Heretics are to be rejected since they are subverted, sinners, and condemned by God. 3:10-11
Philemon

Hebrews


Every skeptic and nonbeliever has "an evil heart of unbelief." 3:12

It is impossible for fallen-away Christians to be saved. (Didn't the author know about confession or the finality of being saved?) 6:4-6

Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29

If you're not a Christian, it's impossible to please God. 11:6

"By faith Noah ... condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." 11:7

The Israelites kept the passover and sprinkled blood on doorposts so that God wouldn't kill their firstborn children (like he did the Egyptians in Exodus 12:29). 11:28

God saved Rahab because she believed. (He killed all the non-believers in Jericho.) 11:31
James


Whoever is a friend of the world is an enemy of God. 4:4
1 Peter


Things may get rough for Christians, but it will really be hell for nonbelievers. 4:17-18
2 Peter


The basic message of Christianity is "believe or be damned" and from this flows intolerance toward all non-Christians. But, as these verses show, Christian intolerance is often directed toward believers as well. Each group of Christians accuses the others of being "false teachers" of "damnable heresies" who will soon be damned to hell. 2:1-3

"Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes" 2:6

God drowned everyone else on earth except for Noah and his family. 2:5, 3:6

God knows how to punish those that "despise government." 2:9-10

God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death. 3:7
1 John


"Love not the world." 2:15

Every non-Christian is liar and an antichrist. 2:22, 4:2-3

Christians are alive; non-Christians are dead. 5:12

Christians are "of God;" everyone else is wicked. 5:19
2 John


Non-Christians are deceivers and antichrists. 7

"Whosoever ... abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God." 9

Don't associate with non-Christians. Don't receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 10
3 John

Jude


God destroys non-believers. 1:5
Revelation


False Jews are members of "the synagogue of Satan." 2:9

Those who obey God/Jesus until the end will rule everyone else with an iron rod. They'll even get to smash the others into smithereens. 2:26-27

God will make "the synagogue of Satan" [the Jews] "come and worship before thy feet." (Whose feet? Well, the feet of Christians, of course!) 3:9

The martyrs just can't wait until everyone else is slaughtered. God gives them a white robe and tells them to wait until he's done with his killing spree. 6:10-11

144,000 Jews will be going to heaven; everyone else is going to hell. 7:4

The angels are instructed not to "hurt the grass [how could they? He already had all the grass killed in 8:7] ... but only those men which have not the seal of God on their foreheads." God tells his angels not to kill them, but rather torment them with scorpions for five months. Those tormented will want to die, but God won't let them. 9:4-6

Only 144,000 celibate men will be saved. (Those who were not "defiled with women.") 14:1-4

Those who receive the mark of the beast will "drink of the wine of the wrath of God ... and shall be tormented with fire and brimstone ... and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever." 14:10-11

"There fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast." 16:2

Christians will fight in the war between Jesus and those allied with the beast. 17:14

Whoever isn't found listed in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire. 20:15

All liars, as well as sorcerers, idolaters, and those who are fearful or unbelieving, will be cast into "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." 21:8

"Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city. 22:15

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[logos880]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Yes he did.

15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

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http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/nt_list.html

that is a simile, a figure of speech not meant to be taken literally...men are not literally branches therefore you do not literally pile them up and throw them in a fire.

you read the bible like a fundamentalist 100% literalist christian...lucy, are you an in the closet christian fundy??

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by logos880

that is a simile, a figure of speech not meant to be taken literally...men are not literally branches therefore you do not literally pile them up and throw them in a fire.

you read the bible like a fundamentalist 100% literalist christian...lucy, are you an in the closet christian fundy??

The Bible promotes a dictatorial system of government and law, and for the many centuries where Christians ruled in Europe, some of these Biblical laws and the edicts of Jesus were part of European Law.



The Bible god "insists" on the extermination of non believers; in fact the first three of the 10 commandments are not merely executionable offences, but offences which carry the penalty of genocide (the extermination of entire peoples of different religions).

You are rather like a Neonazi who claims that Hitler only meant that the Jews were only "metaphorically" or "symbolically" to be killed, and that others took his words too literally.

Anyway, were the Biblical system of government to be imposed on humankind, then you would have no say in the matter of what is to be taken literally; a dictatorship is a dictatorship, and the law would be dictated to you.

If you were accused in a court of law of murder, it would make no difference to the judge if you told him that you only consider the "do not murder" law to be symbolic or metaphorical and a law which should not be taken literally; similarly with other executionable offences such as blasphemy, heresy, etc., which the Christians once imposed in Europe.

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"You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5"

http://www.evilbible.com/BiblicalIntolerance.htm

"1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.



2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35"

http://www.evilbible.com/do_not_ignore_ot.htm

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Lux

[logos880]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

The Bible promotes a dictatorial system of government and law, and for the many centuries where Christians ruled in Europe, some of these Biblical laws and the edicts of Jesus were part of European Law.

you are seriously like a broken record with this crap...can't have a real convo with a parrot. I'll leave you be with your fundamentalism...if you decide to open the drapes and let the light in, come see me.

[bendoon]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Interesting you should post a picture of Ann Coulter, a fake conservative/Christian who is on the board of GoProud, a gay advocacy organisation.

Don't knock her too much she's on your team really.

http://www.goproud.org/board-of-dire...isory-council/

[zegzy]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

It is the Freedom for any charlatan to start a religion business and claim to heal the sick and perform exorcisms, miracles and signs...Religion is more profitable than selling drugs, or indeed anything else, since they have no actual product to sell; they are just selling "eternal salvation," and exploting the psychologically vulnerable, the lonely, the uneducated, the sick, the mentally ill and the elderly, etc. They are essentially selling "eternal marriage" and "eternal love" with an imaginary friend in the afterlife.

This is true and the same can be said for 'all' cults. I don't share your beliefs or point of view on most of what you post on this forum but the contents of the quote above cannot be disputed by anyone other than the blind, gullible and naive.

[luciferhorus]

Originally Posted by bendoon

Interesting you should post a picture of Ann Coulter, a fake conservative/Christian who is on the board of GoProud, a gay advocacy organisation.

Oh yes, I see your point, it is obviously not enough that she wants to exterminate non Christian governments by military force and forcibly convert entire populations to Christianity, to be a true follower of the Biblical god she should also be calling for the extermination of homsexuals (and I suppose also the extermination of adulterers, women who are not found to be virgins when they marry, children who disobey their parents, devotees of all competing religions, persons who work on the Sabbath and all priests who shave their beards or cut their hair, etc., etc).

Since the execution of homosexuals is not one of the 10 major commandments and working on the Sabbath (an executable offense) "is" one of the 10 major commandments, should you not be concentrating first on opposing those evil and unglodly creatures who would dear to work between Friday sunset and Saturday sunset; this being from a biblical point of view, a far more diablocally evil offense than even homosexuality?

Lux

[bendoon]

Originally Posted by luciferhorus

Oh yes, I see your point, it is obviously not enough that she wants to exterminate non Christian governments by military force and forcibly convert entire populations to Christianity,

Are you really that naive ?

She is acting and getting paid well for it too, she is a Satanist like yourself. All that stuff she comes out with is just to give Christians a bad name and the gullible fools lap it up.