How would you know?

[merla]

Originally Posted by lesleypumpshaft

I tried to sell my soul to the Devil when I was about 14/15 because I wanted to be able to play the blues. I wrote my contract and waited at a crossroads up the road from the square. The Devil never came and 20 years on I still can't play the blues. I might not even have a soul!

I'm being serious btw, it's not a p**s take.

Just like Robert Johnson was supposed to have done

[lesleypumpshaft]

Originally Posted by merla

Just like Robert Johnson was supposed to have done

That's where I got the idea

[zegzy]

Originally Posted by lesleypumpshaft

I tried to sell my soul to the Devil when I was about 14/15 because I wanted to be able to play the blues. I wrote my contract and waited at a crossroads up the road from the square. The Devil never came and 20 years on I still can't play the blues. I might not even have a soul!

I'm being serious btw, it's not a p**s take.

Maybe you sold your soul in a previous life...it's not like you would remember...you may be damned for eternity, being reincarnated back to life in a material body in an eternal hell on a never ending continuous loop and not be aware of it.

[lesleypumpshaft]

Originally Posted by zegzy

Maybe you sold your soul in a previous life...it's not like you would remember...you may be damned for eternity, being reincarnated back to life in a material body in an eternal hell on a never ending continuous loop and not be aware of it.

It sometimes feels that way

But lots of silly teenagers have probably seen Crossroads (not the soap - the film) and thought it looked like a good shortcut to some awesome guitar skills. I'm sure I wasn't the first and I won't be the last.

[zegzy]

Originally Posted by lesleypumpshaft

It sometimes feels that way

But lots of silly teenagers have probably seen Crossroads (not the soap - the film) and thought it looked like a good shortcut to some awesome guitar skills. I'm sure I wasn't the first and I won't be the last.

I'm sure you are right.

[merla]

Originally Posted by lesleypumpshaft

It sometimes feels that way

But lots of silly teenagers have probably seen Crossroads (not the soap - the film) and thought it looked like a good shortcut to some awesome guitar skills. I'm sure I wasn't the first and I won't be the last.

Or more recently Supernatural, they have the Crossroad demon thing going on based on the Robert Johnson legend (they actually talk about him in the first episode it comes up) and have build on it. They even had a banker type making a deal to save him company from the economic crash in one episode.

[lesleypumpshaft]

Originally Posted by merla

Or more recently Supernatural, they have the Crossroad demon thing going on based on the Robert Johnson legend (they actually talk about him in the first episode it comes up) and have build on it. They even had a banker type making a deal to save him company from the economic crash in one episode.

cool I'll have to check that out. I wonder how many impressionable and/or young people have tried to sell their souls because of seeing these films? That's a little bit of a conspiracy right there. Hollywood programming to get youngsters and stupid people to sell their souls to the Devil

[merla]

Originally Posted by lesleypumpshaft

cool I'll have to check that out. I wonder how many impressionable and/or young people have tried to sell their souls because of seeing these films? That's a little bit of a conspiracy right there. Hollywood programming to get youngsters and stupid people to sell their souls to the Devil

Supernatural at least makes a point of showing it's not a very good idea, you get killed by invisible hellhounds and dragged to hell to be tortured by demons after the time you negotiated in your contract is up.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by merla

Supernatural at least makes a point of showing it's not a very good idea, you get killed by invisible hellhounds and dragged to hell to be tortured by demons after the time you negotiated in your contract is up.

I love that series. I hate that everything I watch from the US is on a break right now, though!

[merla]

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon

I love that series. I hate that everything I watch from the US is on a break right now, though!

Me too and not just because I ♥ Dean. Only ten more days til it comes back

[psketti]

Originally Posted by lesleypumpshaft

I tried to sell my soul to the Devil when I was about 14/15 because I wanted to be able to play the blues. I wrote my contract and waited at a crossroads up the road from the square. The Devil never came and 20 years on I still can't play the blues. I might not even have a soul!

I'm being serious btw, it's not a p**s take.

I believe you because I did the same around about the same age

Though it wasn't to play the blues, it was purely because I was fascinated by all things dark. I too wrote a contract of sorts then proceeded to use my own blood to sign it... backwards if I recall correctly

This all happened one lunchtime at school. I buried it at the top of the football pitch where we used to go for a smoke.

[lesleypumpshaft]

Originally Posted by psketti

I believe you because I did the same around about the same age

Though it wasn't to play the blues, it was purely because I was fascinated by all things dark. I too wrote a contract of sorts then proceeded to use my own blood to sign it... backwards if I recall correctly

This all happened one lunchtime at school. I buried it at the top of the football pitch where we used to go for a smoke.

Lol, me and my mates were fascinated with dark forces, but I can't recall whether I wrote my contract with the Devil in my own blood. I became blood sisters with a friend of mine, she had a cut already and I picked a scab We also tried to do voodoo on a girl we didn't like only we used our own blood and hair - doh!

[saint_frankenstein]

I'm quite sure you would know if you've "sold your soul". I don't believe there's any literal beings to sell your soul to, anyway. Personally, I gave my soul over to the Yahweh/Jesus archetype a few years ago and I'm in the process of getting it back.

[quietgirl]

Originally Posted by merla

Supernatural at least makes a point of showing it's not a very good idea, you get killed by invisible hellhounds and dragged to hell to be tortured by demons after the time you negotiated in your contract is up.

Supernatural is one of my favourite programmes - my hubby likes it too (although he won't admit it, lol!). And yes, I think there's a strong thread of morality running through it - evil is ultimately shown for what it is, no matter how "seductive" it looks.

I think if you'd actually sold your soul to the Devil, you would know (I would think that impressionable kids messing about probably doesn't count, thankfully!). Demonic influence though (as opposed to actual possession, willful or not), is fairly pervasive throughout our society, IMHO, and much harder to discern. It's often very subtle. "The enemy" is very good at sniffing out our weaknesses and using them against us. (Sorry if that sounds paranoid, but sadly I think it's true.)

Mandy

[kenan]

Originally Posted by elshaper

How would you know if you have ever sold your soul to the devil?
For example, I think I've not sold my soul to the devil in this life time and I'm all for G-d than Satan. But supposing if I sold my soul in my past life, how would I know? I was watching the video below and there are artists who regret selling their soul to the devil but there is no escaping. So believing in G-d and going against Satan alone doesn't necessarily mean it's a proof that you have not sold your soul. Any thought on this?

Illuminati - The Music Industry Exposed [Full Length] - YouTube

You would know if you are sinning. All those who sin sold their soul to the devil. You don't have to make any contracts. Free human being makes a contract with the devil whenever they consent to temptations (demons) or when they consent to concupiscence and the opinions of the world.

James 4:4
Adulterers, know you not that the friendship of this world is the enemy of God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of this world, becometh an enemy of God.

1 John 2:16
For all that is in the world, is the concupiscence of the flesh, and the concupiscence of the eyes, and the pride of life, which is not of the Father, but is of the world.

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

By the willful consent of the will to sin you join evil. You in some way obey demons or the world or the flesh (or all three together) and expand Satan's kingdom here on earth. You are owned by him. Demons possess many perfectly. They are not aware. Reason has been perverted and conscience has become erroneous. The way they think is the way Satan wants them to think.

Jesus explains:

At Nob during the Following Days. HIDDEN POSSESSIONS
http://lambda.univ.rzeszow.pl/kb/poem/v3-527.htm

Those who help demons; they also persecute Christ
http://lambda.univ.rzeszow.pl/kb/nb44/nb44_feb_6.htm

[elshaper]

Originally Posted by zsymon

There's no such thing as a spiritual debt.

Just enjoy life, and try to help others enjoy it as well. Don't worry about your
mistakes, they are part of life, and there is no punishment or judgement for
them, they're just experiences.

If it makes you feel better to try and make up for past mistakes, then that is
something you can do, but don't feel that you have some cosmic debt that's
got to be balanced out. Karma and sin are both stories made up for the sole
purpose of easier control over the population.

Good deeds done because you think you need to make up bad karma or will
be punished for your sins otherwise, are done out of fear.

Good deeds done for the sole reason that it is the right thing to do, are done
out of love.

Karma and sin are fear based control mechanisms, neither are real.

Living and acting out of fear, is not the life we're meant to live.

A good deed done out of fear, is pointless, as it is love that matters.

Your message was clear until... kenan posted his/hers

You see, kenan, I have no idea whether your version is true or not, I am too naive to have an opinion about it but it sounds like we are all sinners and we might be. But the question comes back to what about those babies who were born disabled? What about toddlers who gets abused and murdered? They haven't even established a sense of good and bad yet

I can understand the bit that says 'you don't have to sign a contract' though. By consenting and doing it is binding.

[merla]

Originally Posted by elshaper

Your message was clear until... kenan posted his/hers

You see, kenan, I have no idea whether your version is true or not, I am too naive to have an opinion about it but it sounds like we are all sinners and we might be. But the question comes back to what about those babies who were born disabled? What about toddlers who gets abused and murdered? They haven't even established a sense of good and bad yet

I can understand the bit that says 'you don't have to sign a contract' though. By consenting and doing it is binding.

I'm not trying to tell you what to think here but this is what the average Christian perspective is (give or take):

Bad things happen all the time, it's nothing to do with the person's sins, it just happens. That's the world we live in. Disability is not a punishment, illness is not a punishment, abuse is not a punishment, death is not a punishment, they are symptons of living in an imperfect world.

Everyone is born into sin, it's what being human means, we all sin in some way, even Christians, we can't help it, the only sinless and perfect being is God, we try but we aren't perfect and we fail but we are forgiven.


You need to make your own opinions, maybe it would be better to talk to God about it rather than ask people on a forum with many, many different opinions. You're just going to get conflicting and confusing answers here and I don't think that is very helpful for someone trying to form their own ideas.

[zsymon]

Merla has some good advice there.

[elshaper]

Thank you merla and zysmon.
While the bible or koran have some sensible advice, I'm sure some meanings are either mistranslated or interpreted different than how it was meant originally. We are all human after all.

I guess there is absolutely no one that can tell us if G-d exists or not and whether religiously or how it's described here is right. So I must make up my own view on this and pick up the consequence of my right/wrong decision. But I much appreciated different point of views expressed here.

Right, I'm off to rob an offie ...as if I can drink that much.