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Old 26-02-2012, 09:33 PM   #1081
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Small hole, then plane shape created by secondary explosions?

Even if one accepts that a plane hit the north tower, then the small south tower hole confirms something much smaller impacted it. This proves the witnesses were right and the bogey seen in 4 broadcasts were accurately depicted.


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Old 27-02-2012, 01:40 AM   #1082
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Jennifer Spell, in her own words: "Just about five minutes after I got outside and was shooting, the second plane circle around and it flew out over New Jersey and then it came in, it just."

Some denialist suggested Spell meant something different than seeing something circle in the final seconds. She was filming for five minutes and then saw something in her camera view, facing northwest. She never described anything at high altitude, nor did most any witness. They described something flying low and circling the towers, which could only be something, not a plane.

The final minutes according to myth 911, 175 flew over Staten Island and New York Bay, therefore never circling anything but the entire state of NJ. It simply flew its mythical path, but never circled the towers in any way, which disagrees with many witnesses and the broadcasts showing the drone, which did circle. Planes cannot circle buildings and crash into the back of them, but apparently a drone can and did on 911.

Jennifer and friend totally debunked her video by confirming the impossibility of any plane circling the towers in its final seconds before explosion. Of course, there is fake footage supporting this, making sure there was cgi covering the drone's path. She may have meant it was flying south over Jersey before turning east to behind the towers, but it's not that relevant. She saw nothing until seeing something over west by the Jersey side, which could not have been fake 175 because it was supposed to be flying over the bay, south of the towers. One plane cannot be flying east over the hudson and north over the bay at the same time and those impossibilities are a reality for sleuths and real truth in 911 research.




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Old 27-02-2012, 01:43 AM   #1083
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Big impact, big explosion.

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Old 27-02-2012, 10:15 PM   #1084
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I respond to valid remarks and questions. No valid remarks or questions, no response. Capeesh?

By the way, I just received a letter today stating that my credit score is 818 and that this score ranks higher than 92 percent of U. S. consumers. Maybe if you read WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO? by Dr. Judy Wood, B.S., M.S.,Ph.D. it would increase your credit score too.

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I respond to valid remarks and questions. No valid remarks or questions, no response. Capeesh?

By the way, I just received a letter today stating that my credit score is 818 and that this score ranks higher than 92 percent of U. S. consumers. Maybe if you read WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO? by Dr. Judy Wood, B.S., M.S.,Ph.D. it would increase your credit score too.
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Old 27-02-2012, 10:39 PM   #1086
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I am very grateful to Dr. Greg Jenkins for conducting his ambush interview of Dr. Judy Wood, because his agenda actually highlighted the importance of Dr. Wood's work. The amount of effort being put forth to attempt to discredit Dr. Wood and convince people to not look at the overwhelming sum of evidence she has gathered is truly remarkable. I find it very interesting that Dr. Jenkins, who works/worked for NSA, showed up with full lighting and camera crews after a talk given by Dr. Fetzer, who had insisted Dr. Wood attend his talk. No one else knew Dr. Wood would be there. Just as she was leaving, around 12am, Jenkins spontaneously confronted Dr. Wood and asked her to do an interview on the spot. Why didn't Dr. Jenkins contact Dr. Wood ahead of time to get advanced permission for the interview? Why didn't Dr. Jenkins attend the conference, but only showed up at the very end of it for the specific purpose of asking Dr. Wood to do this spontaneous interview? Why did Dr. Jenkins show up with full lighting and camera crews, yet he only brought one black and white photo of the thousands of full color photos, videos, documents, and graphs Dr. Wood has gathered, only to later insert the full-color copy of the image into the edited video recording of the interview?

I find it admirable that Dr. Wood was right all along about the fact that the majority of the WTC buildings were transformed to fine dust, especially considering that she has been trying to wake the public up to that fact for over 4 years now. Others are still catching up, as today it is a commonly known fact that the WTC buildings were primarily turned to dust on 9/11. I wonder if Dr. Jenkins has corrected his false claims that the buildings were not turned to dust, or if he still believes the nonsense he was trying to promote throughout the interview... As Dr. Wood often says, you first need to determine WHAT happened, before you determine HOW it happened. If you skip the first part and assume you know what happened, further discussion tends to be rather meaningless and unscientific. Dr. Wood identified that the buildings were transformed to dust, and for some strange reason, Dr. Jenkins really wanted to avoid discussing that topic.

Dr. Judy Wood held strong in her scientific position all these years, and thank goodness she has. Her observations were correct, right from the start. It was this fortitude of hers which has forced Richard Gage (and others) into finally acknowledging the fact that the majority of the WTC buildings turned to dust in mid air. However, that puts Richard Gage and Dr. Steven Jones in a very difficult position, because thermite does not turn buildings into powder in mid air, nor do explosives of any kind...

Here is the transcript from the interview, which allows for a more detailed analysis of the dialogue: http://drjudywood.com/articles/trans...ranscript.html

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Old 27-02-2012, 10:51 PM   #1087
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Old 29-02-2012, 01:49 AM   #1088
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My take on things goes like this.

The towers were blown from top and bottom together, making it easier to mask the dettonations and the only way they could fall faster than freefall speed.

There are or were several sub levels evemually creating a sizeable sump for the main debris to fall into.

If you look at the initial run pictures you will see that the main columns were left intact and the corncrete gone leaving a huge cavern.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_...Center_bombing

Whenever there is compression involved in any explosions there is never enough material to fill in the craters back in afterwards, this roll played out on 9/11.

This is why one sees huge piles of aggregated on the aprons of military runways to fill in the holes quickly after large ordnances are used.

If you study footage you can see dust emmerging from ground level which was the initial hollowing out mode below ground to prepare the sump for the main building to compress into.

The wiring of the dets was part and parcel which delivered the signals with any extras being placed during the evacuation of the buildings in 93.

To weaken key superstructures there is slow expansion demolition materials that split the strongest structures, I think this was also adopted, making smaller charges needed.

Just saying, please excuse if already put forward.
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Old 29-02-2012, 09:32 AM   #1089
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My take on things goes like this.

The towers were blown from top and bottom together, making it easier to mask the dettonations and the only way they could fall faster than freefall speed.
Are you joking? Doesn't really come across on the internet. Hehe.

Firstly the towers did not fall with freefall acceleration (I suppose you mean 'freefall' as in with air resistance).

Erm... even if every single floor was disintergrated, the top of the tower would not fall faster than 'free fall speed'.

Please explain how these all these detonations were placed to go off at exactly the right time without anyone noticing.

What? Are you suggesting the towers fell together? How many witnesses say or videos show this? What evidence suggests that they did?

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Old 29-02-2012, 10:58 AM   #1090
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Are you joking? Doesn't really come across on the internet. Hehe.

Firstly the towers did not fall with freefall acceleration (I suppose you mean 'freefall' as in with air resistance).

Erm... even if every single floor was disintergrated, the top of the tower would not fall faster than 'free fall speed'.

Please explain how these all these detonations were placed to go off at exactly the right time without anyone noticing.

What? Are you suggesting the towers fell together? How many witnesses say or videos show this? What evidence suggests that they did?
Hi Rosie

I will run through it stage by stage in better detail, these are my out of the box observations and existing scenarios soplease be kind

First go back to 93 and see the hole left by the truck bomb also check out the damage pattern drawing to see where the six sub levels took the compression wave that created the cavern there afterwards.

Then check out the laws of explosion and compression that compact material through excelleration or positive kinetic energy, trapped energy in this instance, which would take the path of least resistance.

An example of this can be seen clearly on many of the televised subteranian nuclear tests, the land rises at first then settles back down leaving a sizeable indentation,,,, I other words there is a push in both directions, Up & Down, leaving a cavern below ground to which gravity fills from above.

In each Towers case there would be a greater cavern below each tower due to there being air gaps between each sub level for each building to begin falling into, any gap created beneth the building would created the initial speed to help the building crush itself from above, sort of like a person jumping off of the ground and on your lift the ground beneath you suddenly dissapears and on your downwards stroke you land say two feet below where you stood only moments ago.

I think this can also been seen happening when one of the towers starts to topple over then rights itself as the building below the point of the topple dissapears below it very quickly to pull the topple correct again, otherwise it would have fallen over away from its footprint.

Dettonations not being noticed.

Shaped and directed charges were used to great effect here also remember these were hermaticaly sealed buildings, No Windows, so a chain reaction could easily be used to cover any charges going off.
They would start from the centre working their way towards the extremities each one directed inwards thus not breaking the outer permiter of each building until the floor above was on top of it and so on.

However there is live footage somewhere of fire crew saying it sounded like a demo, boom boom boom indicating with his hand in the group being filmed, this guy is a trained observer so would notice this kind of thing, where as the ordinary man or women on the street probably would'nt.

The main columns on the mainframe of the building were concentrated at the core and the basement/sub levels, the sub levelsbeing the main targets here, possibly a small nuclear or similar device was used.

Something pretty large was used for the entire lobby to have its glass blown outwards a distance just prior to the towers falling, which the head janitor I forget his name now said the whole building lifted also lifting him off the ground in the process.
There was mention that the pressure wave from the said aircraft created a blast wave that travelled down the elevator shafts, which is bunk because the greater part of that energy was dissapated outside seen hybthe huge fire balls outside the buildings.

All the neccessary hardware was placed in situ in93when the buidings were closed for repairs, check out which company did those repairs and controlled every proceeding until the job was done and where these people are situated today.

Hope that helps
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My take on things goes like this. The towers were blown from top and bottom together, making it easier to mask the dettonations (detonations) and the only way they could fall faster than freefall (free-fall)speed. There are or were several sub levels evemually (eventually) creating a sizeable (sizable) sump for the main debris to fall into. If you look at the initial run pictures you will see that the main columns were left intact and the corncrete (concrete) gone leaving a huge cavern. Whenever there is compression involved in any explosions there is never enough material to fill in the craters back in afterwards, this roll played out on 9/11. This is why one sees huge piles of aggregated on the aprons of military runways to fill in the holes quickly after large ordnances are used. If you study footage you can see dust emmerging (emerging) from ground level which was the initial hollowing out mode below ground to prepare the sump for the main building to compress into. The wiring of the dets was part and parcel which delivered the signals with any extras being placed during the evacuation of the buildings in 93. To weaken key superstructures there is slow expansion demolition materials that split the strongest structures, I think this was also adopted, making smaller charges needed. Just saying, please excuse if already put forward.

A hasty spell of complex words,
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The apprentice has it all wrong. The World Trade Center Towers and its contents (including people) were turned into microscopic dust particles with a Harry Potter spell. And if you don't believe this, then I suggest reading WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO? by Dr. Judy Wood, B. S., M. S., Ph.D. to discover what did do it. By the way, this textbook is the subject of discussion and not what Simple Simon says.

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Hi Rosie

I will run through it stage by stage in better detail, these are my out of the box observations and existing scenarios soplease be kind

First go back to 93 and see the hole left by the truck bomb also check out the damage pattern drawing to see where the six sub levels took the compression wave that created the cavern there afterwards.

Then check out the laws of explosion and compression that compact material through excelleration or positive kinetic energy, trapped energy in this instance, which would take the path of least resistance.

An example of this can be seen clearly on many of the televised subteranian nuclear tests, the land rises at first then settles back down leaving a sizeable indentation,,,, I other words there is a push in both directions, Up & Down, leaving a cavern below ground to which gravity fills from above.

In each Towers case there would be a greater cavern below each tower due to there being air gaps between each sub level for each building to begin falling into, any gap created beneth the building would created the initial speed to help the building crush itself from above, sort of like a person jumping off of the ground and on your lift the ground beneath you suddenly dissapears and on your downwards stroke you land say two feet below where you stood only moments ago.
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I think this can also been seen happening when one of the towers starts to topple over then rights itself as the building below the point of the topple dissapears below it very quickly to pull the topple correct again, otherwise it would have fallen over away from its footprint.
The tower would not have toppled over the side, due to it's centre of gravity. There was no lateral force acting on the top section, only gravity.

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Dettonations not being noticed.

Shaped and directed charges were used to great effect here also remember these were hermaticaly sealed buildings, No Windows, so a chain reaction could easily be used to cover any charges going off.
They would start from the centre working their way towards the extremities each one directed inwards thus not breaking the outer permiter of each building until the floor above was on top of it and so on.

However there is live footage somewhere of fire crew saying it sounded like a demo, boom boom boom indicating with his hand in the group being filmed, this guy is a trained observer so would notice this kind of thing, where as the ordinary man or women on the street probably would'nt.
They were describing the collapse, how each floor ''popped out'' as in the air escaped from each floor as it collapsed, which is legible on all video footage of the collapses.

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The main columns on the mainframe of the building were concentrated at the core and the basement/sub levels, the sub levelsbeing the main targets here, possibly a small nuclear or similar device was used.
Any evidence of this?

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Something pretty large was used for the entire lobby to have its glass blown outwards a distance just prior to the towers falling, which the head janitor I forget his name now said the whole building lifted also lifting him off the ground in the process.
There was mention that the pressure wave from the said aircraft created a blast wave that travelled down the elevator shafts, which is bunk because the greater part of that energy was dissapated outside seen hybthe huge fire balls outside the buildings.

Air would have been sucked up through the elevators to the fires, as there was a gaping hole in each building this allowed air to be sucked up from the lobby.

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All the neccessary hardware was placed in situ in93when the buidings were closed for repairs, check out which company did those repairs and controlled every proceeding until the job was done and where these people are situated today.

Hope that helps
Perhaps you can tell me? And more to the point why this company is so relevant.
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The tower would not have toppled over the side, due to it's centre of gravity. There was no lateral force acting on the top section, only gravity.



They were describing the collapse, how each floor ''popped out'' as in the air escaped from each floor as it collapsed, which is legible on all video footage of the collapses.



Any evidence of this?




Air would have been sucked up through the elevators to the fires, as there was a gaping hole in each building this allowed air to be sucked up from the lobby.

Perhaps you can tell me? And more to the point why this company is so relevant.
The tower that toppled was heading over until the floors below moved from below it righting itself, the weak point had already happened so you would think it would have carried on following the weakest point.

As the section started over any explosions would have put the fires out like they do burning well heads, there was a huge blow right at this point, steady collapse would not create this surely.

Also the collapse time would have been slowed down due to the sealed nature of the building acting like a damper yet the towers were timed as if nothing was between each floor.

I have listened to the fire crew interview and one guy did say each floor was popping out.

No evidence on the nuclear angle but the basement must have been taken out first for the debris to dissapear like that, I know six sub levels is not 100 plus but the mainframe alone if piled up neatly would be quite a height on its own.

Alan Watt mentioned the company who did the 93 repairs were related to the Bushes, the same as the security later.

On the air rising through the lift shafts, how could the air get past the cars and why was there more smoke than fire which indicates lack of oxygen burn.
For copious flows of air to rise there would have to be many floors open on every floor all the way up, the buildings were hermatically sealed, no windows for security.

I haven't read the book mentioned here, how did she say the towers went?
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The tower that toppled was heading over until the floors below moved from below it righting itself, the weak point had already happened so you would think it would have carried on following the weakest point.
No because although its started to collapse where the plane hit, the opposite corner would have also began to collapse hence why it fell like it did.

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As the section started over any explosions would have put the fires out like they do burning well heads, there was a huge blow right at this point, steady collapse would not create this surely.

Also the collapse time would have been slowed down due to the sealed nature of the building acting like a damper yet the towers were timed as if nothing was between each floor.
There was air between each floor and furniture etc. Nothing that would stop the mass of the above floor and floors above that.

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I have listened to the fire crew interview and one guy did say each floor was popping out.
Yes.

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No evidence on the nuclear angle but the basement must have been taken out first for the debris to dissapear like that, I know six sub levels is not 100 plus but the mainframe alone if piled up neatly would be quite a height on its own.
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Alan Watt mentioned the company who did the 93 repairs were related to the Bushes, the same as the security later.
About that myth, You might want to watch this very short clip.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&hl=...&v=sh8hErn2UZU

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On the air rising through the lift shafts, how could the air get past the cars and why was there more smoke than fire which indicates lack of oxygen burn.
For copious flows of air to rise there would have to be many floors open on every floor all the way up, the buildings were hermatically sealed, no windows for security.
Are you saying air cannot travel past a car in a lift shaft? No windows?

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I haven't read the book mentioned here, how did she say the towers went?
Directed energy weapons.

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No because although its started to collapse where the plane hit, the opposite corner would have also began to collapse hence why it fell like it did.



There was air between each floor and furniture etc. Nothing that would stop the mass of the above floor and floors above that.



Yes.



Yep.



About that myth, You might want to watch this very short clip.



Are you saying air cannot travel past a car in a lift shaft? No windows?



U Directed energy weapons.
The air trapped between each floor would compress and act as a cusioning effect slowing things down surely, it would however create the popping that the fire crew mentioned. ahha.

Of course, the air would have to be able to get past the cars in the shaft otherwise pressures would build up on top and below as it was moving, how much air I don't know.

Energy weapons eh, hmmm, if they had these weapons they would need no others, because to destroy something like the size of the towers a few blocks in size an enemy headquarters would be toast in seconds, load Bs I say.

By the way that short clip never showed my end?
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The air trapped between each floor would compress and act as a cusioning effect slowing things down surely, it would however create the popping that the fire crew mentioned. ahha.

Of course, the air would have to be able to get past the cars in the shaft otherwise pressures would build up on top and below as it was moving, how much air I don't know.

Energy weapons eh, hmmm, if they had these weapons they would need no others, because to destroy something like the size of the towers a few blocks in size an enemy headquarters would be toast in seconds, load Bs I say.

By the way that short clip never showed my end?
Check my post again, sorry I added it a few minutes after posting as my laptop is not on form tonight .

Yes I think the DEW theory is complete BS, but she sells her book and some people buy it!

Yes the air basically exited the windows as each floor collapsed, just like dropping a square metre of wood onto another below, the air that was beneath it has to escape and does, laterally of course.
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Check my post again, sorry I added it a few minutes after posting as my laptop is not on form tonight .

Yes I think the DEW theory is complete BS, but she sells her book and some people buy it!

Yes the air basically exited the windows as each floor collapsed, just like dropping a square metre of wood onto another below, the air that was beneath it has to escape and does, laterally of course.
Yep I see it now, when I said no windows I mean't no opening windows, Doh.

The tower that toppled over had enough floors above that point to create the initial push I suppose.

So we come to the other tower that fell level, was the fire enough to have weakened this level or was a cruise missle used and also a few charges in or around the same level just to get things moving downwards.

Not that strong buildings then.

But how building 7 fell that has just got to be a demo or do you know other?

One other thing that sticks out is what 7F shows with the smaller entry wound, many of those outer piles are very neatly cut off arn't they, not many bent inwards and the perfect square at the very middle, very similar to the pentagon damage, same missile maybe?
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Yep I see it now, when I said no windows I mean't no opening windows, Doh.

The tower that toppled over had enough floors above that point to create the initial push I suppose.

So we come to the other tower that fell level, was the fire enough to have weakened this level or was a cruise missle used and also a few charges in or around the same level just to get things moving downwards.

Not that strong buildings then.

But how building 7 fell that has just got to be a demo or do you know other?

One other thing that sticks out is what 7F shows with the smaller entry wound, many of those outer piles are very neatly cut off arn't they, not many bent inwards and the perfect square at the very middle, very similar to the pentagon damage, same missile maybe?
I suppose WTC 7 is a different debate.

Cruise missile? Have you seen one strike the towers? As far as the evidence suggests it was planes. Yes the remaining core and perimeter columns were dealing with more loads, which is fine. However when they became weakened due to fire, they no longer could support that load, collapse initiation begins.
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I suppose WTC 7 is a different debate.

Cruise missile? Have you seen one strike the towers? As far as the evidence suggests it was planes. Yes the remaining core and perimeter columns were dealing with more loads, which is fine. However when they became weakened due to fire, they no longer could support that load, collapse initiation begins.
If not a cruise a smaller craft, one thing that doesn't fit right is why didn't they scramble the fighters, they would have been able to identify the types of aircraft or fliers for sure.

I went up to look at the Lockerbie damage afterwards and the Pensylvania hole was no where near the same kind of hole.

So many versions of miss-info here, all versions could be true and they must have known something was coming and set up the rest, accumulator.

That building 7 is still part and parcel in all of this and needed to be taken out/pulled to bring in a new system, just imagine how much information was lost in there.
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If not a cruise a smaller craft, one thing that doesn't fit right is why didn't they scramble the fighters, they would have been able to identify the types of aircraft or fliers for sure.
They did scramble fighters, just too late.

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I went up to look at the Lockerbie damage afterwards and the Pensylvania hole was no where near the same kind of hole.
Quite different crashes really.

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So many versions of miss-info here, all versions could be true and they must have known something was coming and set up the rest, accumulator.
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That building 7 is still part and parcel in all of this and needed to be taken out/pulled to bring in a new system, just imagine how much information was lost in there.
What info was lost?
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