the Nice model: giant planet ejected from slr syst

[nightwolfdreams]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

Yeah.. you don't know.

So to shut you up cause you can't be bothered to go looking for the answers your self.

Whenever chemical elements (atoms) are brought together there is a tendency for them to react with each other and to form compounds. When the Earth and other planets accreted (That means formed/made/created) around 4.5-4.6 billion years ago, they contained a mixture of all the elements, and the relative abundances probably reflected the cosmic abundances indicated by spectroscopic studies.

There are more than 3000 known minerals (the number is still growing), but of these only about 20 are very common, and only 9 of these constitute 95% of the crust. These 9 minerals are all silicates, and are also called the rock forming minerals. They can be subdivided into two groups, the mafic and felsic minerals.

MAFIC
BIOTITE (mica)
AMPHIBOLE/HORNBLENDE
PYROXENES/AUGITE
OLIVINE
Ca-PLAGIOCLASE (feldspar)

FELSIC
QUARTZ
MUSCOVITE (mica)
ORTHOCLASE (feldspar)
Na-PLAGIOCLASE/ALBITE (feldspar)

From these base minerals, you get your three main rock types.
IGNEOUS ROCKS - from the core
METAMORPHIC ROCKS - rocks which have been altered by pressure/temperature/fluid dilution ect.
SEDIMENTARY ROCKS - created from the weathering, erosion, rain, streamflow, wind, wave action, ocean circulation of metamorphic and igneous rocks. Two types of sedimentary rocks.

Clastic Sedimentary Rocks are those that are composed of fragments of other rocks (igneous, metamorphic, and sedimentary). Depending on grain size they are subdivided into conglomerate (grain size larger than 2 mm), sandstone (size between 2 mm and 0.0625 mm), and shale (mudstone).

Chemical and Organic Sedimentary Rocks are the other main group of sediments besides clastic sediments. They usually form by inorganic or organically mediated mineral precipitation, and as the result of biological activity. (limestones, evaporites)

So as to your question, where does gold come from and why does it make gold nodes?

Nearly all placer gold (stuff found in rivers), both coarse and fine, originates from the erosion of primary hard rock gold deposits. Its hard to imagine things like gold being dissolved by water solutions, but if the water is hot enough, the pressure high enough, and the chemistry is right then gold, quartz and other things you don’t expect to see dissolving will go into solution. The solutions move by natural convection (hot things rise), and as they rise the waters cool as they move farther from the heat source in the ground and closer to the surface. The gold is combined with sulfur to form gold-sulfur chemicals that dissolve in the water.

The important fact is that at heat and temperature, gold will react with sulfur and other elements to form soluble chemicals. These chemical complexes are not all that stable, so that when the waters cool and the pressure drops, the chemicals decompose, releasing the gold to form nuggets. Also as the waters cool, things like quartz and sulfides become less soluble and they come out of solution to form veins. The most common conduits for these solutions are natural fault zones; this is why most veins are shaped like fault zones, a long and narrow plane. This is the process that forms nearly all gold-quartz veins.

And if you ask me how gold got into the rocks i am soooooo not going over the geochemistry of gold solutions from igneous and metamorphic rocks.

Maybe that doesn't answer your question, but i am sure it will allow others to understand a little better.

(Thanks to: http://www.nuggetshooter.com/article...formation.html)

[faustus]

Poor move.

Amaralswrong is perfectly aware of the science involved.

He just thinks he can prove people wrong on 1 point by moving the goalpost til they eventually reach a point they can't answer, as though that proves point 1 incorrect.

A typical Amaralswrong "moving goalposts" thread will look like this:


Perp: "Gold deposits build up through volcanic action"

Amaralswrong: "What causes Volcanoes?"

Perp: "Ultimately gravity"

Amaralswrong: "So where did Gold come from?"

Perp: "Fusion in Stars"

Amaralswrong: "Where do Stars come from? I'm "Honestly" curious...." ( )

Perp: "Matter forming into large bodies over time due to gravity"

Amaralswrong: "So where did Matter come from?"

Perp: "Well, possibly the Big Bang, we're not 100% sure right now."

Amaralswrong: "See, you don't even know how Gold builds up! See! I told you so! Look at how clever I am everybody! Look! Look at me! I'M CLEVER!!! LOOK!!!!"



He does it all the time. Its very tedious.

I don't know if its just about attention or ego-masturbation proving his "superiority" or maybe he's just a bored troll.

Who knows?

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by nightwolfdreams

Whenever chemical elements (atoms) are brought together there is a tendency for them to react with each other and to form compounds.

So there's this cloud of gold dust floating around in and amongst the dust of other atoms (not compounds), how does it react with itself?

How do you get gold and not soup?

Now come on guys... you all surely know there is a bootstrapping problem with the formation of planets?

Don't you?

[amaralsright]

Originally Posted by faustus

Poor move.

Amaralswrong is perfectly aware of the science involved.

I'm aware of the holes in the scientific claims.

[iaintoff]

MORE STANDARD (ASTRONOMICAL) MODEL NONSENSE
December 4, 2011 By Joseph P. Farrell

Sometimes I am amazed at the ability of clear-headed scientists to come up with nonsense:

Giant planet ejected from the solar system
http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-11-...ted-solar.html

Now…did you catch all that? The Kuiper belt is that belt of celestial flotsam (think of it as celestial driftwood), floating around out there, which astronomers came up with to explain, in part, the origin of comets. According to this model, “passing stars” are supposed to have wandered near the Kuiper Belt and kicked some of this driftwood into the wild orbits of comets. Yup…you read that correctly. Now we’re being told that Juptier got in on this act and shunted things around a bit, and in the process all this shunting around was supposed to have kicked a huge planet out of the solar system (oh I can hear the chorus of “Nibiru!” even now) and changed its orbit. Proof? Well, all those interstellar free-floating planets out there.

Well, I read this article, sort of breathless, and was looking for a little bit more by way of cogent explanation. Not finding much other than that they have “modeled” all of this (presumably on computers), I come away from this latest fantasia on the theme of Kuiper Belt in the same frame of mind as Dr. Tom Van Flandern, the astronomer for the US Navy who first revived in modern astronomy the Exploded Planet Hypothesis as an alternative explanation for the origin of comets, a theory I reviewed at some length in the first chapter of The Cosmic War. Like me, Van Flandern just had too many difficulties with the whole Kuiper Belt model of modern astronomy.

I have to wonder… why would sober scientists view the solar system as…well…perhaps nothing more than a big game of celestial marbles, with orbit-shunting planets expelling other planets and creating comets by “passing stars”, and the disturbing thought occurred to me. A disturbing thought, and nothing more than pure, idle speculation: could part of the reason for this whole model be precisely to keep people from looking at a different model of solar system history and mechanics? One that indeed included an exploded planet (according to Dr. Van Flandern’s Exploded Planet Hypothesis), and therefore, that included the possibility of an ancient cosmic war, fought right here in our own celestial neighborhood? Such a war would imply, as I argued in The Cosmic War, a technology capable of fighting it and doing things like that.

Possibly, but why deflect attention away from that? Well, again, why deflect attention away from any alternative model of physics unless, astronomy too, is to be included in the grab bag of what I’ve called on occasion “public consumption physics,” i.e., the covert promotion of models in the public view, while privately and covertly investigating alternatives? There is, of course, no evidence that this is so, at least in astronomy’s case, that I am aware of, but it does remind me of those statements of Lockheed skunkworks leader Ben Rich, who is reported to have said that “we now have the technology to take ET home.”

Well, if that be so, then the implications are staggering, for one of them might be that “they” already have discovered aspects of celestial mechanics and history that the rest of us are kept blissfully unaware of, while we contemplate elegant computer models of Jupiter shunting large planets out of the solar system, and shunting its own orbit

http://gizadeathstar.com/2011/12/mor...odel-nonsense/


pretty much sums up the state of things imo.

[the apprentice]

Originally Posted by amaralsright

So when did the gold and silver form?

Why Mr Goldman of course he has sachs full of the stuff.