Why is St. Peters Square a large sundial?

[dolamite]

I came across the design of St. Peters square at the vatican, its resembles a large sundial with the obelisk in the middle. Look at arial views of it. This could all tie in to them worshiping the sun.

[lightgiver]

Here you go...

Originally Posted by serpentoffire

If you want to know samething of Italy ask to me. I'm Italian and I live in Rome.

Catholic religion has Sunday (Apollo/Dionysus) as rest day and Hebraism Saturday. So Hebraism is the religion of SATURN (aka CRONUS). Catholicism instead is the religion of URANOS.

See my thread:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27927

Catholic means UNIVERSAL and it is the sum of Christianity , mitraism, cult of Saturn and other pagan rites and cults. This in order to create a super-religion with the purpose to dominate and enslave people under the Roman empire.

Another target of catholic religion was to bind temporal power with spiritual power.

Vatican is a monument to occult powers:




URANUS AND THE MYTH The implications of Uranus in the chart seem to be reversed in comparison to the mythical meaning of Ouranus. Uranus is the sun of the earth goddess Gaea. And at the same time her husband. The children born out of this relationship were imprisoned but one of them, Cronus (later called Saturn) was able to castrate his father (encouraged by his mother). The genitals fell into the see and so Aphrodite was produced (Venus).

STORY VERY SIMILAR TO ISIS, OSIRIS and HORUS mythology.

Saturn is the mythical son of Uranus. Saturn is the rebel, but Uranus is prominent in the charts of disasters, revolutions and rebellious people. It is Uranus who locks in his children and yet Uranus is the symbol of liberation. I must add to this that afflictions with Uranus are seen at the time of arrest and loosing freedom or being robbed of freedom. Like in the case of Jeanne d’Arc and Ringeard (one of the trappist monks murdered in Algeria). Sometimes Uranus makes free, but the person concerned is dead. Saturn is the law, but Uranus is the shocking arrest. In short: the myths of Saturn and Uranus seem to be twisted and turned. Or we might consider the fact that the relationship Uranus had with his mother was abnormal and extraordinairy and Saturn (Cronus) ended the incest.

URANUS IN THE SIGNS Uranus is now in the astrological ‘sign’ of Pisces. Pisces is the period for church and religion, especially the Christian belief and then specifically the roman catholic church. Uranus is the planet of renewal and weak in the sign of Pisces.

The SATURN's place is the Latium, Lazio in italia, where is founded ROME.

Forza ROMA!!!

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=415

[dolamite]

same reason they use a sun shaped Monstrance to give out communion

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by dolamite

same reason they use a sun shaped Monstrance to give out communion

The Pschent (play /ˈskɛnt/; Greek ψχεντ) was the name of the Double Crown of Ancient Egypt. The Ancient Egyptians generally referred to it as sekhemti, the Two Powerful Ones... It combined the Red Deshret Crown of Lower Egypt and the White Hedjet Crown of Upper Egypt...



The Pschent represented the pharaoh's power over all of unified Egypt. It bore two animal emblems... An Egyptian cobra, known as the uraeus, ready to strike, which symbolized the Lower Egyptian goddess Wadjet, and an Egyptian vulture representing the Upper Egyptian tutelary goddess Nekhbet...These were fastened to the front of the Pschent and referred to as the Two Ladies. Later, the vulture head sometimes was replaced by a second cobra...

Below is a relief of a pharaoh being symbolically crowned with the crowns of Upper and Lower Egypt...



"This is my body", and gave them the cup, saying, "This is my blood"



At the channel-centres there are white and red drops, upon which physical and mental health are based. The white is predominant at the top of the head and the red at the solar plexus... These drops have their origin in a white and red drop at the heart centre, and this drop is the size of a small pea and has a white top and red bottom. It is called the indestructible drop, since it lasts until death. The very subtle life-bearing wind dwells inside it and, at death, all winds ultimately dissolve into it, whereupon the clear light vision of death dawns...

The physiology of death revolves around changes in the winds, channels and drops. Psychologically, due to the fact that consciousnesses of varying grossness and subtlety depend on the winds, like a rider on a horse, their dissolving or loss of ability to serve as bases of consciousness induces radical changes in conscious experience.

[lightgiver]

A CLOSER LOOK AT ASTROLOGICAL SYMBOLISM.

12 Tribes of Is Ra El,

12 Brothers of Joseph,

12 Disciples of Jesus,

12 judges of Is Ra El,

12 Kings of Is Ra El,

Jesus in the Temple at twelve,

ETC,ETC,

In the Bible there were 12 tribes of Israel, 12 brothers of Joseph, 12 judges of Israel, 12 great patriarchs, 12 old testament prophets, 12 kings of Israel, 12 princes of Israel, and Jesus’ 12 disciples. As shown in my book, The Atlantean Conspiracy, these Biblical 12's cryptically (to the initiated) refer not to 12 literal people, but to 12 potentialities of consciousness - the 12 signs of the zodiac. From this we also have the 12 months of the year, the 12 hours of day and 12 hours of night. 12 days of Christmas, 12 grades in school, 12 step-programs, 12 jurors, 12 notes before the octave, 12 eggs in a dozen, 12 inches in a foot, Masonic Majestic-12, and 12 years of childhood before the “teens” and the Jewish Barmitsfa at 13.

“A common theme in all mystery school traditions is of 12 disciples, knights or followers surrounding a deity. The number 12 is a code, among other things, for the 12 months of the year and the houses of the zodiac through which symbolically travels the Sun, the ‘god’, symbolized as 13. This is the ‘sacred 12 and one’ as some people describe it and it is one major reason why the numbers 12 and 13 keep recurring. Thus you have the 12 tribes of Israel, 12 princes of Ishmael, 12 disciples or followers of Jesus, Buddha, Osiris and Quetzalcoatl. There is also King Arthur and his 12 Knights of the Round Table (the zodiac circle), Himmler and his 12 knights in the Nazi SS, and the woman (Isis, Semiramis) with a crown of 12 stars in the Book of Revelation. In Scandinavia and that whole northern region you find the Odin mysteries, again inspired by the same Aryan race from the Near East. In this tradition, you find twelve ‘Drottars’ presiding over the mysteries with Odin. The sacred 12 and one again. These stories are not literally true, they are mystery school symbolism. This continues today with these same symbols used by the Brotherhood secret society network in national flags, coats of arms, advertising and company logos. That Brotherhood creation, the European Union, has a circle of 12 stars as its symbol. We are talking sacred numbers and geometry here. The proportions of Egyptian statues, whether big or small, were multiples or sub multiples of 12 or 6.” -David Icke, “The Biggest Secret” 82-3

AS ABOVE SO BELOW ( SYMBOLISM) - YouTube

AS ABOVE SO BELOW ( SYMBOLISM) - YouTube

YouTube (Short URL)

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Timeless Wisdom is to present
the liberating heart of
"Nondual freedom and awareness"
A bird doesn't sing because it has an answer
It sings because it has a song
I listen with open ears and open eyes, but mostly,
An Open Heart

Astrotheology - The Roots of all Religion - Timeless Wisdom:

http://timeless-wisdom.blog.co.uk/20...igion-7676116/

[lightgiver]

Hedjet (ḥḏt) is the formal name for the White Crown of pharaonic Upper Egypt... The crown was white and, after the unification of Egypt, it was combined with the Red Crown of Lower Egypt, with the delta to form the Pschent, the Double Crown of Egypt... The symbol sometimes used for the Hedjet was the vulture goddess Nekhbet shown next to the head of the cobra goddess Wadjet, the Uraeus on the Pschent...

[lightgiver]

[armoured_amazon]

Weird, I was reading something about X symbolism last night and St Peter's Square and the Union Jack were in there. I'll have to find the link.

[armoured_amazon]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Grr can't remember the page link I was reading!

Aha!

http://www.whale.to/b/x_h.html

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by armoured_amazon

Weird, I was reading something about X symbolism last night and St Peter's Square and the Union Jack were in there. I'll have to find the link.

At the channel-centres there are white and red drops, upon which physical and mental health are based. The white is predominant at the top of the head and the red at the solar plexus... These drops have their origin in a white and red drop at the heart centre, and this drop is the size of a small pea and has a white top and red bottom. It is called the indestructible drop, since it lasts until death...

[lightgiver]

Cities are meticulously designed and laid out by Masons... Those who live within the perimeters of cities unconsciously partake in giant Masonic rituals. The word city comes from the same root as cteis, meaning "vagina." Today, city centers or plazas contain symbols of the male and female... The term "city hall" comes from cteis, meaning "vagina" or "womb," and phallus, meaning "penis." St. Peter's Square in Rome bares a "thistle" design... This represents Scotland and the Druids of that ancient land. The city of Rome, and Great Pyramid of Giza, are both perfectly aligned with the sun doors of Ireland's two most astounding megalithic sites, those of Newgrange and Knowth.

Zeitgeist: The Movie - YouTube

Zeitgeist: The Movie - YouTube

YouTube (Short URL)

YouTube (Short URL)

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof17.htm

[rapunzel]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

Cities are meticulously designed and laid out by Masons... Those who live within the perimeters of cities unconsciously partake in giant Masonic rituals. The word city comes from the same root as cteis, meaning "vagina." Today, city centers or plazas contain symbols of the male and female... The term "city hall" comes from cteis, meaning "vagina" or "womb," and phallus, meaning "penis." St. Peter's Square in Rome bares a "thistle" design... This represents Scotland and the Druids of that ancient land. The city of Rome, and Great Pyramid of Giza, are both perfectly aligned with the sun doors of Ireland's two most astounding megalithic sites, those of Newgrange and Knowth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36_C...yer_detailpage
http://youtu.be/a36_CwzA0bk

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/sof/sof17.htm

How do you know that 'cteis' meant vagina or womb? Have you looked it up in a Greek dictionary?

As for your video link the beginning of it is pure trash and I don't see what it has to do with the OP.

[lightgiver]

The union of the Phallus and Cteis, or the Lingam and Yoni, in one compound figure, as an object of adoration, was the most usual mode of representation. This was in strict accordance with the whole system of ancient mythology, which was founded upon a worship of the prolific powers of nature. All the deities of pagan antiquity, however numerous they may be, can always be reduced to the two different forms of the generative principle--the active, or male, and the passive, or female. Hence the gods were always arranged in pairs, as Jupiter and Juno, Bacchus and Venus, Osiris and Isis. But the ancients went farther. Believing that the procreative and productive powers of nature might be conceived to exist in the same individual, they made the older of their deities hermaphrodite, and used the term ἀῤῥενοθέλυς, or man-virgin, to denote the union of the two sexes in the same divine person...

"Ζεὺς ἄρσην γένετο, Ζεὺς ἄμβροτος ἔπλετο νύμφη."

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by size_of_light

That place is fucking huge.

Has anyone heard from them in the last 50 years or so?

http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=72435

[rapunzel]

Originally Posted by lightgiver

The union of the Phallus and Cteis, or the Lingam and Yoni, in one compound figure, as an object of adoration, was the most usual mode of representation. This was in strict accordance with the whole system of ancient mythology, which was founded upon a worship of the prolific powers of nature. All the deities of pagan antiquity, however numerous they may be, can always be reduced to the two different forms of the generative principle--the active, or male, and the passive, or female. Hence the gods were always arranged in pairs, as Jupiter and Juno, Bacchus and Venus, Osiris and Isis. But the ancients went farther. Believing that the procreative and productive powers of nature might be conceived to exist in the same individual, they made the older of their deities hermaphrodite, and used the term ἀῤῥενοθέλυς, or man-virgin, to denote the union of the two sexes in the same divine person...

"Ζεὺς ἄρσην γένετο, Ζεὺς ἄμβροτος ἔπλετο νύμφη."

That doesn't really answer my question. Also some of the Pagan Goddesses were not passive as some of them were recorded as being Creators and creating out of their own substance, so it is not as cut and dried as you seem to think.

You have also not explained why you think the word 'city' comes from 'cteis'.

[lightgiver]

Originally Posted by rapunzel

That doesn't really answer my question.

Tough.

Originally Posted by rapunzel

This obsession with the small and unimportant nation of Israelites annoys me somewhat.

[lightgiver]

The Cathars were a religious group who appeared in Europe in the eleventh century, their origins something of a mystery though there is reason to believe their ideas came from Persia by way of the Byzantine Empire,

In the Languedoc, famous at the time for its high culture, tolerance and liberalism, the Cathar religion took root and gained more and more adherents during the twelfth century. By the early thirteenth century Catharism was probably the majority religion in the area, supported by the nobility as well as the common people. This was yet another annoyance to the Roman Church which considered the feudal system to be divinely ordained as the natural order (Cathars disliked the feudal system because it depended on oath taking). In open debates with leading Catholic theologians Cathars seem to have come out on top. This was embarrassing for the Roman Church, not least because they had fielded the best professional preachers in Europe against what they saw as a collection of uneducated weavers and other manual workers. Worse still a number of Catholic priests had become Cathar adherents (Catharism was a religion that seems to have appealed especially to the theologically literate. Whole Cathedral chapters are known to have defected, as they did for example at Orleans). Worse, the Catholic Church was held up to public ridicule (some of the richest men in Christendom, bejewelled, dressed in finery, and preaching poverty, provided an irresistible target even to contemporary Catholics in the Languedoc). Worst yet, Cathars refused to pay tithes to the Catholic Church.

At the end of the extermination of the Cathars, the Roman Church had proof that a sustained campaign of genocide can work. It also had the precedent of an internal Crusade within Christendom, and the machinery of the first modern police state that could be wheeled out for the Spanish Inquisition, and again for later Inquisitions and genocides.

The crusade against the Cathars of the Languedoc has been described as one of the greatest disasters ever to befall Europe.

http://www.cathar.info/

[lightgiver]

POPE JOHN PAUL II WAS BURIED IN A TRAPEDZOIDAL-SHAPED COFFIN!

[lightgiver]

“Nowhere nor in anything, except in the assertion of the Church, can we find that God or Christ founded anything like what churchmen understand by the Church.”

Originally Posted by White and Red drop

The Pschent (play /ˈskɛnt/; Greek ψχεντ) was the name of the Double Crown of Ancient Egypt. The Ancient Egyptians generally referred to it as sekhemti, the Two Powerful Ones... It combined the Red Deshret Crown of Lower Egypt and the White Hedjet Crown of Upper Egypt...



The Pschent represented the pharaoh's power over all of unified Egypt. It bore two animal emblems... An Egyptian cobra, known as the uraeus, ready to strike, which symbolized the Lower Egyptian goddess Wadjet, and an Egyptian vulture representing the Upper Egyptian tutelary goddess Nekhbet...These were fastened to the front of the Pschent and referred to as the Two Ladies. Later, the vulture head sometimes was replaced by a second cobra...

Below is a relief of a pharaoh being symbolically crowned with the crowns of Upper and Lower Egypt...



"This is my body", and gave them the cup, saying, "This is my blood"



At the channel-centres there are white and red drops, upon which physical and mental health are based. The white is predominant at the top of the head and the red at the solar plexus... These drops have their origin in a white and red drop at the heart centre, and this drop is the size of a small pea and has a white top and red bottom.



It is called the indestructible drop, since it lasts until death. The very subtle life-bearing wind dwells inside it and, at death, all winds ultimately dissolve into it, whereupon the clear light vision of death dawns...

Tibetan Book of The Dead - The Great Liberation ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCHh8...yer_detailpage
http://youtu.be/BCHh8xqMWeo

The physiology of death revolves around changes in the winds, channels and drops. Psychologically, due to the fact that consciousnesses of varying grossness and subtlety depend on the winds, like a rider on a horse, their dissolving or loss of ability to serve as bases of consciousness induces radical changes in conscious experience.

[armoured_amazon]

Lightgiver, what's the significance of the trapezoid? Tell me maaaarrrr!